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Woulvesbaine	Posted - 2009.01.26 20:40:00 - [1] Edited by: Woulvesbaine on 26/01/2009 20:40:54 Ok - so my rapier does not do much right now to say the least. But the huginn feels even more useless. Before the extra dps and an ability to speed tank it made it a handful but fun. I was primaried a lot and lost this shop more then any single ship - but it had a chance. Now, cant speed tank it, sucky dps, cant armor tank it. Useless ship altogether?
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.26 20:45:00 - [2] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 20:45:47 Its only a shadow of its former glory. What is extremely annoying is it can take minutes to kill a single frigate in rapier as well as huginn with the nerfed webs. Add the fact that it cant cloak, and lacks dps to reasonably engage anything but frigates, and you got a useless ship.
Perry Amarr The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.26 20:49:00 - [3] You can use target painters! They are very usefull! And now that Speed is dead, Webs are also usefull! Trust me!
Julius Romanus Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.26 20:52:00 - [4] Best I could come up with: 650's and Assault launchers in the highs MWD, 2x webs, 1x warp disruptor II(replaceable with invuln 2 if no point needed), 1x LSE, 1x invuln II RCUII, DCII, ODII or damage mod. Weapons hit out to max web range. Faster with or without the ODII than my curse/zealot. Similar to slightly more EHP than my curse, and similar or better dps. Its not what it used to be. But neither is my curse. ------------------ For Medicinal Use Only.
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.01.26 20:53:00 - [5] it's meh. it's a good tackler with ok damage. trumped by the other combat recons imho.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.26 20:55:00 - [6] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 20:55:43 Originally by: Perry You can use target painters! They are very usefull! And now that Speed is dead, Webs are also usefull! Trust me! Webs are useless now, didnt you get the memo? A decently fit interceptor will outrun Rapier/Huginn even if double-webbed. Compare that to the sheer stopping power of the Arazu/Lachesis, one scrambler and they're dead meat.
P'uck	Posted - 2009.01.26 20:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Lilith Velkor What is extremely annoying is it can take minutes to kill a single frigate in rapier as well as huginn with the nerfed webs. It only seems like minutes, but yeah, it takes forever. A painter really helps with that, but there arent really any slots for that. Hyena/rapier/huginn really could do with a webstrength bonus, I guess. As they are now, they are NOT useless but wtf, it's like bringing a knife to a gunfight.
Julius Romanus Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.26 20:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 20:55:43 Originally by: Perry You can use target painters! They are very usefull! And now that Speed is dead, Webs are also usefull! Trust me! Webs are useless now, didnt you get the memo? A decently fit interceptor will outrun Rapier/Huginn even if double-webbed. Compare that to the sheer stopping power of the Arazu/Lachesis, one scrambler and they're dead meat. That isnt true unless you're talking a snaked claymore'd ceptor. Even with a full "nano" fit(which is an awful fit) my sader does less than 1300m/s under dual webs.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.26 21:03:00 - [9] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 21:03:40 Originally by: Julius Romanus That isnt true unless you're talking a snaked claymore'd ceptor. Even with a full "nano" fit(which is an awful fit) my sader does less than 1300m/s under dual webs. I know its slightly exaggerated, but you get the idea. If you are on anti-frig duty, you got a minute until your cap is too low for mwd usage, and then you're worthless.
P'uck	Posted - 2009.01.26 21:06:00 - [10] But hey, what do we expect? What were the mains strengths of rapiers/huginns before QR? Their speed as well as their ability to take away speed. Both things got hit pretty hard, in return the mechanics got changed in a way that a PWNAGE is a bit better. Big ****ing deal. But yeah, it's true that QR brought variety; we have indefinetly more options to fit our minnie recons, which in turn are all equally.... non threatening.
Julius Romanus Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.26 21:08:00 - [11] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 21:03:40 Originally by: Julius Romanus That isnt true unless you're talking a snaked claymore'd ceptor. Even with a full "nano" fit(which is an awful fit) my sader does less than 1300m/s under dual webs. I know its slightly exaggerated, but you get the idea. If you are on anti-frig duty, you got a minute until your cap is too low for mwd usage, and then you're worthless. I find it self defeating to exaggerate how bad something is when you're trying to get something boosted. And my sader is dead before that minute is up if I'm burning MWD(sig radius).
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.26 21:10:00 - [12] [Huginn, Anti-Falcon] Damage Control II LADAR Backup Array II LADAR Backup Array II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II Target Painter II Target Painter II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Fury Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Fury Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Fury Light Missile Targeting System Subcontroller I Targeting System Subcontroller I Valkyrie II x4 You're welcome.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.26 21:11:00 - [13] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 21:12:23 Originally by: Julius Romanus I find it self defeating to exaggerate how bad something is when you're trying to get something boosted. And my sader is dead before that minute is up if I'm burning MWD(sig radius). Eh, sink a few million SP into the minnie recons, and you'll understand me I guess. And the sader would be killed by a Jaguar in a few seconds, why should I even bother to use a 100mill recon for that task and take forever, more so if I have to wait forever after the kill to be ready for the next... Quote: [Huginn, Anti-Falcon] Rapier is much better for this kind of work.
P'uck	Posted - 2009.01.26 21:12:00 - [14] If anti falcon, why not drop painters for ECCM and use lows for speed to get there faster? But yeah, sig strength, big plus.
Julius Romanus Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.26 21:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 21:12:23 Originally by: Julius Romanus I find it self defeating to exaggerate how bad something is when you're trying to get something boosted. And my sader is dead before that minute is up if I'm burning MWD(sig radius). Eh, sink a few million SP into the minnie recons, and you'll understand me I guess. And the sader would be killed by a Jaguar in a few seconds, why should I even bother to use a 100mill recon for that task and take forever, more so if I have to wait forever after the kill to be ready for the next... Quote: [Huginn, Anti-Falcon] Rapier is much better for this kind of work. shrug my nano curse bleeds the same blood. Yes its more useful than your hug, but it's a slow, pig like, hyper expensive killmail waiting to happen, so its not like I'm all that geared up to fly it anymore either.
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.26 21:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 21:12:23 Originally by: Julius Romanus I find it self defeating to exaggerate how bad something is when you're trying to get something boosted. And my sader is dead before that minute is up if I'm burning MWD(sig radius). Eh, sink a few million SP into the minnie recons, and you'll understand me I guess. And the sader would be killed by a Jaguar in a few seconds, why should I even bother to use a 100mill recon for that task and take forever, more so if I have to wait forever after the kill to be ready for the next... Quote: [Huginn, Anti-Falcon] Rapier is much better for this kind of work. If the jaguar could even catch the ceptor. Minny recons are now (and always have been, really) fleet ships. They enable small gangs to hit much harder, which makes them alot like logistics ships (IE they help your gang alot, but you don't get to hog much of the glory). For a while, minny recon pilots were worshipped due to being an effective counter for a very popular play style. Post QR, they're still just as usefull, but they've slipped out of the spotlight. So, to be honest, they're great ships to have in gang but no fun to fly.
Bob Arko Geddonites	Posted - 2009.01.26 21:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Webs are useless now, didnt you get the memo? A decently fit interceptor will outrun Rapier/Huginn even if double-webbed. No it wont. Unless you run out of cap to run MWD. No ceptor can do 1.8-2km/s+ when double webbed. Even overloaded. Anyways... Fit 3 webs. Loss of survivability is drastical and basically you are paper thin but it should work.
Visceroth Minmatar The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.01.26 21:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Bob Arko Originally by: Lilith Velkor Webs are useless now, didnt you get the memo? A decently fit interceptor will outrun Rapier/Huginn even if double-webbed. No it wont. Unless you run out of cap to run MWD. No ceptor can do 1.8-2km/s+ when double webbed. Even overloaded. Anyways... Fit 3 webs. Loss of survivability is drastical and basically you are paper thin but it should work. I fly triple webs and that assessment is 100% correct. But it's really easy for me to get away if I need to. Only need to hold them until my fleet comes in
Bob Arko Geddonites	Posted - 2009.01.26 21:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Julius Romanus shrug my nano curse bleeds the same blood. Yes its more useful than your hug, but it's a slow, pig like, hyper expensive killmail waiting to happen, so its not like I'm all that geared up to fly it anymore either. Falcon rules them all.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.26 21:52:00 - [20] [Huginn, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II ECCM - Ladar II ECCM - Ladar II Warp Disruptor II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Fury Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Fury Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Fury Light Missile Targeting System Subcontroller I Targeting System Subcontroller I Valkyrie II x4 108 Ladar strength, 2200 m/s, do whatever you want with the rigs. A rapier would be useful since it's slightly faster, but rapier has a base 24 ladar while huginn has 28. Makes a big difference.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.26 22:17:00 - [21] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 22:18:20 Originally by: Skira Ranos If the jaguar could even catch the ceptor. Wanna 1vs1 my Jaguar in a ceptor of your choice? Killing ceptors in Jag is a cakewalk: 1) mwd in a straight line in a random direction 2) hit approach + overload mwd 3) scramble + web + shoot 4) profit
BiggestT Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.01.27 01:50:00 - [22] Edited by: BiggestT on 27/01/2009 01:52:17 I find it hilarious that people think the minmi recons are useless. Webs are still needed more than ever, especially from a bonused recon considering the webifiers reduced effectiveness. edit: Its not all about "killing frigs" you know.. EVE history t2 precisions
P'uck	Posted - 2009.01.27 02:12:00 - [23] Originally by: BiggestT edit: Its not all about "killing frigs" you know.. But it's a lot about keeping frigs from killing you. You know, they accumulated A LOT of hate towards minnie recons pre QR, and they're out to getting their revenge. Surprise buttraping huginns/rapiers just got a whole lot easier.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.27 03:55:00 - [24] Imo the best way to give it back its teeth is by boosting dps and tank a bit, not necessarily its web strength. - more powergrid so you can at least fit HAMs and 180s plus a decent shield buffer and a gyro / bcu each - plus 10m¦ dronebay for flexibility, can use either 2 waves light drones for antifrigate duty or a set of mediums against cruiser size Thats a combat recon I'd like.
Jack Jombardo Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.27 07:11:00 - [25] Speed isn't dead. Long range web is still very helpfull. Both just change from I-WIN buttons to tools for curtain situations.
Psir	Posted - 2009.01.27 07:12:00 - [26] Huginn is just too pricey for what it does, rapier is still very useful.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.27 07:47:00 - [27] Well believe it or not, but when I use a rapier in combat I am uncloaked during gang warp, sitting on a gate or actually fighting. I use the rapier because I don't use T2 missile launchers, or else I'd bring a huginn instead to a gang roam or camp. The cloak on the rapier is useful for escaping enemies and moving with very little risk as a forward or rear scout, but in a gang where my primary job is webs and TPs I'd take the extra durability, sensor strength and DPS any day. After all, everyone needs some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.01.27 10:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Bob Arko Originally by: Julius Romanus shrug my nano curse bleeds the same blood. Yes its more useful than your hug, but it's a slow, pig like, hyper expensive killmail waiting to happen, so its not like I'm all that geared up to fly it anymore either. Falcon rules them all. Good luck killing anything, or even stopping it leaving.
kyrv	Posted - 2009.01.27 11:07:00 - [29] I'd like it possible to tackle a target no need like a curse to remove it altogether but it's pretty rubbish at that cant really keep up tackleing for the duration.
Lady Valory Caldari Caldari Strike Force PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.01.27 11:36:00 - [30] It's a pretty good salvager for t2 wrecks--3 autocannons or artillery/ 3 salvagers, then tackle or whatever... After some battles you can gather enough t2 parts to make the ship pay for itself easily.

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