Don't get me wrong I support the Intel channel idea, if it's an intel channel or nothing then I would take that, I just believe that the same information can be presented in a slightly more user friendly way.

I also have problems with the star map, what we need is something much simpler and more focused almost like Dotlan but live and specific to faction warfare.

The slight delay I would prefer although maybe 5 minutes is to much, you see I enter plexes to provoke a fight or limit the ship classes that I have to fight and a few minutes delay means I can engage people within the current system without the hordes descending on me. However if I am just sitting orbitting a timer then it should leave just enough time for someone to get too me and try to stop me.

I am also normally a solo pilot a little bit of the unkown is prbably good for us.

Regarding bubbles in plexes, I have seen this idea before but I feel it may put people of rather than encourage people to PVP within them and may result in a lot of sniper camping.

I suppose I should add that plexes shouldn't mainly spawn at downtime but that should be pretty obvious.

No, just the pirate faction and T2, leave the navy faction to have entrance (they aren't nearly as powerful). However, if the dessy changes are true this will no longer become and issue.

Now with the destroyers buff there is no reason to do minors in anything other than thrashers. Although this request is not part of the op I do destroyers were not allowed in minors.

Nah. Dessies are fine inside of Minors. If you're in a minor to fight, then some frigs sitting on the warp in would work fine methinks. I'd sure as hell engage with with even numbers against destroyers if I'm already inside the plex. 1/2 the time a dessie is range fit, so it's a nice gamble to take with expendable frigates.

Hell, I even caught a Catalyst outside a gate (I was in a punisher) while his friends went in and survived long enough to my friends to get there from a stargate and pop him. However if I'm frig soloing in a plex with absolutely NO reinforcements nearby and I see a destroyer inbound, I'll be doing a nice GTFO maneuver for sure.

Well, I don't want to have a big sign saying WE'RE PLEXING IN AKIDAGI RIGHT NOW!!!! ...'.

It's still pretty easy. Heck, if the Caldari want good fights, then they should just come and plex over near Nenna. Open plexes, sit in plexes. Cap plexes. Soon enough it'll get noticed by us and we'l come a fightin'! A few of us have been known to come into a plex with even numbers. Or down 1. We just want fights, same as them.

I guess where you go from our disagreements is what kind of notification system do you want? Something in Militia chat? Something in your notifications (that I largely ignore because of PVP notification lag)? I'm guessing what you want is something that's non-intrusive that gives an up to the..... 10-15 minute update of current systems being plexed?

I also wonder if all of this is a moot point because of the last CSM and the fact that they discussed FW during it.

That's WAY MORE than knowing where the fighting is occurring. I would almost keep the intel open ended and let the militia coordinate on their own.Like if a militia had a channel specifically for plexing. I think CCP is trying to stay away from NPCs as much as possible and get that kinda stuff into the hands of the players. I don't think there's ever been someone's job to just check all contested systems and see if there's someone currently plexing there.

IF there was to be an NPC plex reporting channel, then I'd also have less intel in that it. Maybe just letting you have a real time list of what's contested or...... where there's plexes that are currently being run with updates around 10-15 minutes. From an RP standpoint, you could say that the intel/comm routers in low sec are old and in disrepair so that they don't give EXACT intel.

I'm still not sure if I would want NPC updates though. Maybe if FW gets some sort of Sov system where we can install upgraded comm relays, then sure. Otherwise, I dunno.

I'm still against any form of automated system that gives automatic intel with no work. Updating the map would be a good way to go about this, perhaps have the systems that are contested blink or change color if they had a plex taken within the last hour. But beyond that, everything should be in the hands of the players.

That's WAY MORE than knowing where the fighting is occurring. I would almost keep the intel open ended and let the militia coordinate on their own.Like if a militia had a channel specifically for plexing. I think CCP is trying to stay away from NPCs as much as possible and get that kinda stuff into the hands of the players. ....

I'm still not sure if I would want NPC updates though. Maybe if FW gets some sort of Sov system where we can install upgraded comm relays, then sure. Otherwise, I dunno.

FW: do plexes in complete safety in bomber -> go own noobs who don't do plexes in bombers in dramiel whatever wtfpwnmobile

They've actually reduced the differential between NPCs in different plexes lately. Caldari NPC do not jam in many plexes, and in reality they are a nuisance to the properly sized ships in a given plex. There are also numerous ways to avoid them altogether. 1) don't fight inside plex, 2) Don't go near button to "activate" them. So, CCP is listening and making alterations that are clear to anybody wishing to actually run plexes.

The proposal for telling militias where the plexes are spawning is a decent one, and it will help when two like-minded gangs are itching for a fight. Good stuff. [It can easily be gamed, which is fine. Example: You have a minimum number of guys enter a plex and the rest stay out. Response fleet arrives to find opponent has 3x the number the intel map says they do. Example 2: Plexing fleet "spams intel" by opening large number of plexes in far off area, and then bails when response fleet arrives.]


However, if you are fighting for your militia and are more interested in occupancy than fights, your side will blob a plex and discourage even fights when you can. You want to win occupancy, not get good fights.

So, there you have it in a nutshell. Nothing CCP implements can encourage one side to suicide into another side and lose all of its ships.

Everybody who engages in plexing warfare has this figured out and it's not a big deal. Fight when you can, avoid fight when you can't.

CCP has altered plex spawning and has also erred on the side of too many plexes. A minor, medium, and L3 major are available 30 minutes after one closes. It's easy to kill off the spawns in these plexes as well.

I fought in and on plexes yesterday. This happened:

Kill 1
Loss 1
Loss 2
Kill 2

If you'll notice, that's 3 separate systems that plexing was occurring in. I realize that you color your 'plexing is a PvE activity' with the word primarily. I think that since the recent update with more plexes spawning, it's shifted a fair bit toward the PvP side.

One thing I'd like to add, I don't think that cloaks should work in either FW plexes or FW missions.

Cloaks don't work in enemy highsec, it makes no sense they'd work in these either.

99% of the people in FW level 4s, in particular, are flying stealth bombers. They enter the mission, cloak, slowboat 100km away from the entrance, and do the mission in complete safety from the other side.

Also (sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere), the entry requirements to the sites make no sense. Why can a faction frigate like a Dramiel or a Daredevil enter the small sites, but an AF, Intereceptor, or EAF can't? That's just crazy, and it means that 90% of the ships (at least the ones I see) used in FW are:

Stealth bomber
Dramiel
Hookbill
Slicer

Seriously, either ban faction ships or allow T2 variants.

The biggest things they can do to help FW plexing is
1. Build a better in-game militia tab. That thing is worthless, and offers nothing of value.
2. Update the map.
a. Use absolute and not relative value for deciding size of contested dots on maps.
b. Refresh map more quickly (like every time a plex is closed).
3. Fix respawn bugs. Get a dev to talk to Damar to figure out what is happening and get it fixed.