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Macaya
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Posted - 2009.01.28 22:53:00 -
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Is it true that the expansion in march for new characters will start out around 9-13 million Skill Points now? I have heard several reports on this anyone have more insight?
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Radical Technologies
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Posted - 2009.01.28 23:00:00 -
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Hmmm, a jump from 800 thousand to 9-13 million. Somehow I don't think so.
What will probably happen is that when the expansion gets released on Singularity for testing, all characters will get all the wormhole exploration and probing skills to 5 for free, to allow for effective testing.
It's what they did when they introduced the new fleet structure - Leadership, Wing Command and Fleet Command to 5.
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Macaya
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Posted - 2009.01.28 23:04:00 -
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I know it seems like a jump, but I think they wanted people to have a little more to start out with becuase most in the game have such a huge lead over everyone else. Now there isn't anything wrong with that, I think they just want to bridge the gap slightly so peopel are more in tuned to stay in the game
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.01.28 23:08:00 -
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Someone started a thread asking if this is going to happen.
One response was: it's over 9 million (internet meme is over 9000)
Other respose was: they'll get 13.37 million SP (leet)
Actual facts in said thread or from CCP: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Bupkuss. Squat.
At this point in time there is no reason to assume that people will start with more than 800k SP post march 10th.
 Originally by: Signature
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.29 02:34:00 -
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Let's say they did start out people with 9M skillpoints. Someone who started playing EVE in November would be around in the 6-7M range, and they'd get bumped by 2-3M to match the new starting total, and then it would be like the last 6 months of playing basically didn't count. These leads us to two basic conclusions:
1) It's NEVER going to happen.
2) This ranks very high on the list of the worst ideas in the history of everything.
3) It's NEVER going to happen.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Macaya
I know it seems like a jump, but I think they wanted people to have a little more to start out with becuase most in the game have such a huge lead over everyone else. Now there isn't anything wrong with that, I think they just want to bridge the gap slightly so peopel are more in tuned to stay in the game
The only thinking going on in your post is of the wishful variety.
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Tchelor
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Posted - 2009.01.29 03:12:00 -
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If they ever do increase the starting skill points, it would be more like 900,000->1,100,000; there's just no way they'd increase it by 10-15 times
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Darkeen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.29 07:00:00 -
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Military expert are calling this a Successful Troll!
Regards,
Jason Brisbane
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Qual
Gallente
Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2009.01.29 07:58:00 -
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My crap detector it high up in the red here. Move along.
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2009.01.29 08:05:00 -
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I remember starting with about 90k SP in 2004, now people start with 900K.
But still to jump straight to 9mil would be a bit extreme... I mean what will those people get ? Racial frigate & cruiser to 5 from the start... fitting skills maxed, learning skills maxed ?
IMO it would ruin the entry-level of the game...
And... just to be clear... there will be NO Deathknights in EVE.
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Originally by: Paper
Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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MILK Monk
2nd Blood Raven Assault Squad
R.U.R.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw
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Other respose was: they'll get 13.37 million SP (leet)
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lol ... I noticed that this was posted by evil Chriba... it is nice joke... you know ... 1337 ... leet...
my opinion... there is really no reason to give more SP at start...
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.01.29 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Macaya
Is it true that the expansion in march for new characters will start out around 9-13 million Skill Points now? I have heard several reports on this anyone have more insight?
I doubt it. It took me about 7-9 months getting that sum of SP. CCP would have an innsurection going on if they suddenly started giving out aprox. 1 year of SP to new players.
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Lady Aja
Caldari
Hannibals Pirates
Damnation of Souls
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Posted - 2009.01.29 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Macaya
Is it true that the expansion in march for new characters will start out around 9-13 million Skill Points now? I have heard several reports on this anyone have more insight?
I doubt it. It took me about 7-9 months getting that sum of SP. CCP would have an innsurection going on if they suddenly started giving out aprox. 1 year of SP to new players.
better not get the hell boost like that... I could understand all learning skills at 5 and ccp introducing a advance learning that you have to train up along with youre basic learning skill. would make life easier for new users....
BTW "You currently have 97 skills and 15,000,601 skill points" just broke 15m sp... in just over 9 months. :) should be at 19m sp at 12 months old. |
Princess Jessica
Minmatar
Universal Assembler
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.29 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Princess Jessica on 29/01/2009 18:11:52
Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
And... just to be clear... there will be NO Deathknights in EVE.
Lies!
There already are Deathknights in Eve. True story! |
Zxenis
Caldari
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.01.29 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: Zxenis on 29/01/2009 18:34:54
could easily be implemented so as to not **** people off.
new toon still starts with 800k, then once in game, after said patch, every toon gets to allocate 8mill sp from a one time sp pool as they see fit. this would open it up the sp boost to everyone, even those that started 4 -5 months before it is implemented.
basically, tons of hauler alts, cyno alts, science alts etc will be born. hehe
If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.29 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 29/01/2009 18:52:58
Originally by: Macaya
Is it true that the expansion in march for new characters will start out around 9-13 million Skill Points now?
No.
Quote:
I have heard several reports on this anyone have more insight?
Train:
Sarcasm Detection I
Troll Detection II
Wild Speculation Detection III
Now... non-jokingly...
...some WILD SPECULATIONS:
Having new players start with somewhere between 1.2 and 2.0 mil SP would actually be quite nice, if the ADDITIONAL SP compared to the current starter choices would be made up almost exclusively from learning skills.
At the same time, all existing players should also be automatically granted the same levels of learnings if they don't already have them, regardless of current SP total.
For instance, you could have all basic learnings to L4 and all advanced learnings to L1 granted from the very start, and also granted to all people who don't have them at those levels yet. That's barely 228k SP over the current starter SP level, so you can easily throw in additional levels in advanced learnings or even one or two L5s in basic learnings to differentiate between schools.
All the learning skill books would then be removed from the NPC sell orders (since they would be pointless), all player orders also dropped, then removed from hangars and deliveries, and people/corps compensated at standard NPC price.
Last but not least, the clone SP held levels would have to be readjusted based on the new starter SP total (so that the basic clone holds all starter SP plus some small reserve, and all clones above become cheaper per SP held than they are now).
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2009.01.30 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Jessica
Edited by: Princess Jessica on 29/01/2009 18:11:52
Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
And... just to be clear... there will be NO Deathknights in EVE.
Lies!
There already are Deathknights in Eve. True story!
/facepalm
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Originally by: Paper
Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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Val Karan
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Posted - 2009.01.30 13:00:00 -
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Yes.
Also, Joystick-Control will replace the way spaceships fly now.
And Falcons will be replaced by Eagles, which are the same thing in brown. |
RaTTuS
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.01.30 14:53:00 -
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I heard it said that characxter with over 100 mil SP will contract the Jovian desiese
or did I dream it
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Astarte Nosferatu
Abrivianius Manufacturing Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.31 12:39:00 -
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Removing learning skills would be a bad idea. It would make EvE a little bit more like WoW. Let us veterans have our SP difference, no need to make this game easier then it already is.
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Kobushi
OCForums
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Posted - 2009.01.31 17:36:00 -
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I can confirm new expansion starting skills will be between NINE THOUS....MILLIONS and 13.37 millions.
So your report stated you will have between an internet meme and leet millions skillpoints. Reading between the line is a great skills on those forums btw
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Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.01.31 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Macaya
I know it seems like a jump, but I think they wanted people to have a little more to start out with becuase most in the game have such a huge lead over everyone else. Now there isn't anything wrong with that, I think they just want to bridge the gap slightly so peopel are more in tuned to stay in the game
If CCP wants to give a boost to new players, then rather than giving them several million character creation skill points, they should implement my old suggestion about boosted training time for new characters: Triple training time for the first 2 weeks, then double training time for the next 6 weeks.
That will make the game much more fun and approachable for new players.
Doubly so if learning skillz are also removed. They looked good on paper, but out here in the real world they turned out to do a lot of harm and no good at all.
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Caelum Mortuos
Gallente
Zero G Research and Development
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Posted - 2009.02.01 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Macaya
I know it seems like a jump, but I think they wanted people to have a little more to start out with becuase most in the game have such a huge lead over everyone else. Now there isn't anything wrong with that, I think they just want to bridge the gap slightly so peopel are more in tuned to stay in the game
If CCP wants to give a boost to new players, then rather than giving them several million character creation skill points, they should implement my old suggestion about boosted training time for new characters: Triple training time for the first 2 weeks, then double training time for the next 6 weeks.
That will make the game much more fun and approachable for new players.
Doubly so if learning skillz are also removed. They looked good on paper, but out here in the real world they turned out to do a lot of harm and no good at all.
Skills are already 1024x faster to begin with, notice how training a skill to lv1-3 or maybe 4, which is what a beginner will be doing, is far faster than training it to level5, which is what a longterm player will be doing.... |
Spiney Norman
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Posted - 2009.02.01 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tchelor
If they ever do increase the starting skill points, it would be more like 900,000->1,100,000; there's just no way they'd increase it by 10-15 times
They've done it once before, but your right, I doubt they'd get away with it a second time 
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Dani SP
Rupture Farms Mining
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Posted - 2009.02.01 12:48:00 -
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There's absolutely no sense on this.
I mean, I joined 2 months ago and I've 2,8millions. Will I get those extra-points as the new players? If not, CCP give me back my money and I quit this game...
Oldie players compare this to the jump from 30k to 800k but its not the same. How much time does it take from 30k to 800k? 1 month? Now we are talking about 1 whole year, thats just overkill.
Originally by: Lady Aja
better not get the hell boost like that... I could understand all learning skills at 5 and ccp introducing a advance learning that you have to train up along with youre basic learning skill. would make life easier for new users....
BTW "You currently have 97 skills and 15,000,601 skill points" just broke 15m sp... in just over 9 months. :) should be at 19m sp at 12 months old.
There is ALREADY 5 advanced skills... no way to introduce new advanced ones :S
It would totally suck for me, as Im spending my first months on training the learn skills (and its kinda boring) if new players get them all maxed out I would send some hate-mails all over the community and some petitions LOL.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.01 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dani SP
I mean, I joined 2 months ago and I've 2,8millions. Will I get those extra-points as the new players? If not, CCP give me back my money and I quit this game...
If this were to happen (which it isn't) CCP would run a script adding levels to your skills (following a pre-determined list) until you have as many SP as a new character.
Originally by: Dani SP
Oldie players compare this to the jump from 30k to 800k but its not the same. How much time does it take from 30k to 800k? 1 month? Now we are talking about 1 whole year, thats just overkill.
Indeed it is nowhere the same. 30k SP allows you to do exactly nothing but undock - you are starting literally from scratch. Starting with 800k SP (allowing for instance T2 small guns out of the box) instead of 30k is a bigger difference than starting with 10M compared to 800k.
Originally by: Dani SP
It would totally suck for me, as Im spending my first months on training the learn skills (and its kinda boring) if new players get them all maxed out I would send some hate-mails all over the community and some petitions LOL.
It would be no different than someone training for FOTM just before it gets nerfed. |
Dani SP
Rupture Farms Mining
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Posted - 2009.02.01 18:34:00 -
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k but still, I would feel like I have been losing my time (months).
I disagree on the 30k-800k-10M comparison. At least I guess oldies had spaceship command level I and frigates level I, train them to level II which would be... some hours?? and you can drive a Bantam or whatever mining frigate.
If isk was needed (no more than 100k to buy those skills and the bantam) you could mine or missioning using the Ibis.
And this is pretty much the same current noobies need to do, no matter you are given drone, trading, industry etc. skills. Biggest advantage imo are military/soldiers who are given frigate IV and Spaceship Command III, which is just one step from Cruisers (skill needed to buy, 450k isk). Anyways they need to earn a lot of isk since you start with 5000isk so...
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2009.02.01 21:12:00 -
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And once more.... it will not happen.
Last time it happened, was the first time skills were implemented on a massive level. IIRC a lot of T2 ships were introduced, and advanced learning skills became available.
Not to mention extra skills in almost every tree...
Maybe we should think of those first few years as an extended beta-test, but one in which we were allowed to play with characters that we could keep afterwards.
The 800k SP start gives a very solid base for a lot of players to start from, no need to increase it... not really needed to lower it again.
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Originally by: Paper
Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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hellsknights
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.02.01 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Macaya
Is it true that the expansion in march for new characters will start out around 9-13 million Skill Points now? I have heard several reports on this anyone have more insight?
That would be ******ed, when i started playing EvE i starte with 30k SP and not todays 900k. So a jump to that amount would be stupid, actualy more newbs in Ravens is what this game needs..... |
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