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Malcanis
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:00:00 -
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Tricking someone into thinking you have an ace-high straight and taking a large amount of real life money from them as a result?
Well played sir, oh good game!
Tricking someone into thinking you have a Titan for sales and taking a large amount of imaginary pixel-money from them as a result?
U R MENTALLY SICK SOCIOPATH!!!!11
Obviously it's the lack of real life consequences that make the difference. 
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:39:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Malcanis wrote:Tricking someone into thinking you have an ace-high straight and taking a large amount of real life money from them as a result? Well played sir, oh good game! Tricking someone into thinking you have a Titan for sales and taking a large amount of imaginary pixel-money from them as a result? U R MENTALLY SICK SOCIOPATH!!!!11 Obviously it's the lack of real life consequences that make the difference. Screw you for making the point better, man. Screw you.
I am taking a cruel delight in doing so
AHAHAHAHAAH!!!!
O wait 
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:42:00 -
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Seriously though, schadenfreude isn't a synonym for sociopathy. It's difficult to take seriously claims that someone who enjoys the suffering of others has a psychological condition that prevents them apprehending the suffering of others.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:02:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:But with the guy in Sweden stating publicly that he prepared himself for a massacre of 77 people by playing World of Warcraft...
No he didn't
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:33:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Malcanis wrote:Tricking someone into thinking you have an ace-high straight and taking a large amount of real life money from them as a result? Well played sir, oh good game! Tricking someone into thinking you have a Titan for sales and taking a large amount of imaginary pixel-money from them as a result? U R MENTALLY SICK SOCIOPATH!!!!11 Obviously it's the lack of real life consequences that make the difference. Poker game where everyone knows there is money on the table. In game scam targeting in game money. In game scam targeting out of game money. These three things are different.
So you're not aware that bluffing, I mean scamming, is part of the game in EVE? I mean CCP even made an EVE advert advocaing corp theft as a method of revenge!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I
So how exactly is this different?
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Posted - 2012.04.21 10:35:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I truly don't understand why some people can't grasp that can simply be fun to play the bad guy. No -pathy required, I just find it challenging and entertaining to play the part of the villain. It's much more challenging to try and be a nice guy in this game.
And if other players weren't "bad guys" then you couldn't be a "good guy"
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Posted - 2012.04.21 10:48:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
No you are not lying when you play poker. I mean you can lie and say "I have a bad hand stay in" when you have a great hand but that is just silly and not how most poker is played. Its not a game of betraying any trust at all.
If you don't think that Poker is fundamentally based on deception then all I can say is pull up a chair and let me deal you a hand, pardner
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Posted - 2012.04.21 10:53:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Malcanis wrote:Bane Necran wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I truly don't understand why some people can't grasp that can simply be fun to play the bad guy. No -pathy required, I just find it challenging and entertaining to play the part of the villain. It's much more challenging to try and be a nice guy in this game. And if other players weren't "bad guys" then you couldn't be a "good guy" That's not true, it's just the bad guys would be theoretical. You don't have to do anything to be a good guy (this can change based on your choice/actions as situations arise) as it's only when you do something bad you become the bad guy. But bad guys add conflict so EVE would not be EVE without them.
I bolded the part where you are 100% completely massively and really, sadly wrong.
Being a good guy isn't just not doing anything bad today. You actually have to do good stuff that means something. When everyone is "good" because they have no choice to be bad, how can we say anyone is good? It becomes meaningless as describing someone as "he's definitely hurglegurblish" or "what an unusually asdgfgy person". If you don't have to do anything to be a good guy, just not doing anything evil suffices, can we say that Pol Pot was a good guy while he was eating breakfast? Was Ghengis Khan virtuous while he was scratching his ass?
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Posted - 2012.04.21 13:04:00 -
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Spectre80 wrote:malcanis. u be trying too hard to convince people on your views. just wont happen.
I have faith 
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Posted - 2012.04.21 13:09:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:
Lol
Good does not become meaningless just because there is no bad present, because doing bad always remains a possibility if one desired to go that route.
A person can do good and bad deeds in the same day just not at the same time but they would not be seen as being good because of the bad deeds (although by some they might be perceived as being good if they did not know of the bad deeds) .
Your stupid eating breakfast and scratching ones arse comments are not even worthy of anymore comment.
You don't have to be recognised as being good to be good, it's your choices/actions when situations arise that defines if you are good or not.
Note: Second attempt at this reply, but the forum was hungry, so although not as good as the first one it'll do.
I like the way you say you completely disagree with me and then, in your closing sentence, restate my point.
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Posted - 2012.04.21 19:56:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Poker, monopoly, and chess all have a common, clear, and defined goal intrinsic and necessary for winning the game. Eve does not. Comparing Eve to these games is fundamentally wrong.
You don't have to betray or scam in order to "win" Eve. And you definitely don't have to be a prick or sadistical a*hole either. Sure, you can make it your own personal goals and choose to do these things. But they are not intrinsic in the sense that you have to or else you will lose.
That's what makes these comparisons to Eve (usually chess, poker, and monopoly) a flawed argument.
What does that matter though? Deception for personal gain is a part of EVE and it's a part of Poker. You don't have to bluff at Poker if you don't want to. In fact you're quite at liberty to simply show everyone your cards whenever you like.
I personally play EVE the "dumb" way and have never scammed or corp-thieved, but I don't think that makes me, the physical human being behind Malcanis a better person than, say, the real actual person behind Istvaan Shogutsu. It's just the way I choose to play this particular character.
I've done the roleplaying a mean sonofabitch thing and done it damb well thank you - I used to love playing AD&D, Rolemaster, Travaller, etc, with a bunch of my friends, and in several of the campaigns we played, I was the sneakiest, trickiest weasel you could imagine. You want an RP challenge? Try staying on the right side of a Good-aligned party including a Paladin and a Cavalier when you're a True-Neutral, whilst still maintaining your alignment. (To this day I maintain that I can produce a perfectly watertight moral and legal justification for my secret police murder-squad, I tell you!)
When my poor old I-Am-Not-A-Crook TN guy finally came to grief and his schemes were revealed, I didn't hate my friends for playing their characters and Doing The Right Thing, and they didn't kick me out of the group for being a lying murdering (although it wasn't murder, I tell you!) thief, they agreed that I'd done an awesome job of maintaining true neutrality and that I'd played the game really well to escape with my character's life and all his tastefully chosen slection of magical items.
And when I came up with a way to bring him back.... they also congratulated me on finding a way to make them an offer they couldn't bring themselves to refuse. No hard feelings again.
I'm not a sociopath, I'm not a bad person, but I did do a damb fine job of playing a character who was a borderline one. It was interesting and fun and challenging, and it contributed to the learning, fun and challenge of the game that the other players enjoyed.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:12:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:My favourite RPG. EVE Online is the closest realization to that fantastic game and universe. Oh how I wish EVE had its own version of The Spinward Marches.
I preferred Spacemaster, but that was perhaps because the guy who ran the Traveller campaign wasn't as good a GM
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:52:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Malcanis wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Poker, monopoly, and chess all have a common, clear, and defined goal intrinsic and necessary for winning the game. Eve does not. Comparing Eve to these games is fundamentally wrong.
You don't have to betray or scam in order to "win" Eve. And you definitely don't have to be a prick or sadistical a*hole either. Sure, you can make it your own personal goals and choose to do these things. But they are not intrinsic in the sense that you have to or else you will lose.
That's what makes these comparisons to Eve (usually chess, poker, and monopoly) a flawed argument.
What does that matter though? Deception for personal gain is a part of EVE and it's a part of Poker. You don't have to bluff at Poker if you don't want to. In fact you're quite at liberty to simply show everyone your cards whenever you like. ... Your constant leaning on poker as a game for deceiptful people makes me wonder if you think faking a pass in basketball is also decieptful. Misdirection becomes unethical/deceiptful only when you know the party you are misdirecting trusts you. In poker, chess and basketball you know they are not trusting you. In eve they are trusting you. And its not your character they are trusting it is you the real person playing the character.
Welcome to EVE.
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Posted - 2012.04.22 08:31:00 -
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Christ almighty, 10 pages of posts and all because people are mad about losing a damb pixel spaceship to another player in a game about blowing up pixel spaceships.
Yes it is.
Look, this goes through cycles. First (I say "first"; I actually mean "when I first encountered it") it was because the other guy was an immature teenager. Later, the fashion became to say it was because they were sexual abuse victims working out their problems. A while after that, they were "basement dwellers" who only managed to get the better of you because they played 20 hours a day. Now it's because they're sociopaths who are mentally ill and incapable of caring about others.
I'm not sure what the next excuse for losing an untanked ship while you were AFK will be, although I am sure it will be something that makes the other guy a bad, sad or mentally deficient person. It's an Olympic year and a lot of Americans play EVE, so maybe we'll see the narrative shift from "sociopath" to "performance enchancing drugs"?
Just. *******. Accept. That. You. Lost.
Oh but of course, that will never be an option
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Posted - 2012.04.22 14:44:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Malcanis wrote:Christ almighty, 10 pages of posts and all because people are mad about losing a damb pixel spaceship to another player in a game about blowing up pixel spaceships.
The funny thing here is the, I assume gankers, are whining about being called names.
Must be because they're teenage childabused shut-in basement dweller scoipaths mad because their dealer won't answer his pager.
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Posted - 2012.04.23 06:52:00 -
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Deviant X wrote:I'm surprised this thread is still going.
Why?
It started several thousand years ago. Why should this be the year it stops?
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