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Terrigal	Posted - 2009.01.29 03:09:00 - [1] It not the loss that erks me its the lack of being able to do anything about. Time you fixed this broken game mechanic CCP cause if you dont the economy might fix you. Yea im rage quiting and before you all say can i have your stuff ive given it all away already. 2 more accounts lost CCP.
Haakelen Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.29 03:13:00 - [2] And I'm sick a high sec carebears hiding in NPC corps. It's not the people making riskfree ISK that irks me, it's the lack of being able to do anything about it. Time you fixed this broken game mechanic CCP, because if you don't the economy might fix you.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.29 03:21:00 - [3] NPC corps shelter all kinds of lamers of the mining, PvE, and PvP persuasions. Also Zeba If anything it's lamer when a mission runner hides behind this screen than it is when a PvPer does it, since at least the PvPer's actions open them up temporarily to return fire.
Johli Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.29 03:26:00 - [4] this is obviously more proof that eve is dying
Terrigal	Posted - 2009.01.29 03:31:00 - [5] I've got no problem with PVP as my alt lives in 0.0, And i'm not hiding i'm in a corp but meh i've been thinking if i cant beat them I may as well join them as CCP wont do anything about this broken game mechanic. Might start a new corp 99Griefers anyone wanna join me ?
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.29 03:51:00 - [6] I do wonder though... all the people complaining about noobcorps, just what would you do if they were in real corps? Because I seriously doubt half the people who claim they'd wardec the person actually would. All that changing the noobcorp mechanic will do is change the whining from "OMG why can they hide in noobcorps?!" to "OMG why can they hide in 2-3 man corps that just hide or disband when I wardec?!" ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Apoctasy Young Enterprise Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2009.01.29 03:57:00 - [7] Good riddance.
Terrigal	Posted - 2009.01.29 04:02:00 - [8] Edited by: Terrigal on 29/01/2009 04:02:47 I'm a pure industrialist and I have no problem with Hiring Mercs to hunt griefers down. The thing is as you say they can move corps AH but if they cant go back to a NPC corp I'll keep chasing them spending the isk for some retribution. It should be you can run but you cant hide and sooner or later I'm gonna kill you (well not me the Mercs) and ill keep doing it till that griefer doesnt exist (in-game) anymore. I personally think this as a game mechanic would be way better than the existing set up.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.29 04:07:00 - [9] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 29/01/2009 04:08:23 Originally by: Khemul Zula All that changing the noobcorp mechanic will do is change the whining from "OMG why can they hide in noobcorps?!" to "OMG why can they hide in 2-3 man corps that just hide or disband when I wardec?!" But war mechanics need a change too. A good time to do that would be the same time you nerf NPC corps. Make hiding in stations the only way to avoid war decs for at least the first week or two. Disallow corp jumping or alliance jumping or any of that silly crap. Make leaving the corp possible only through a fee during the mandatory non-avoidance period. Allow surrender fees to be paid only after the first week. But, to ensure nobody is just perpetually griefed, have a required peace period follow any given dec against a particular corp. If someone wants to jump around a variety of tiny corps running up the size of their employment history list and showing themselves to be unwilling to sacrifice for a corp in conflict, then fine. They can pay the fees to leave a dec'd corp prematurely. Their call. Sandbox, etc.
Aya Sin Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.29 04:07:00 - [10] Originally by: Haakelen And I'm sick a high sec carebears hiding in NPC corps. It's not the people making riskfree ISK that irks me, it's the lack of being able to do anything about it. Time you fixed this broken game mechanic CCP, because if you don't the economy might fix you. Trading isn't riskfree. Not even without suicide "pirates" at every gate. Besides, you can do something about your "problem". Just become a suicide pirate.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.29 04:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Terrigal Edited by: Terrigal on 29/01/2009 04:02:47 I'm a pure industrialist and I have no problem with Hiring Mercs to hunt griefers down. The thing is as you say they can move corps AH but if they cant go back to a NPC corp I'll keep chasing them spending the isk for some retribution. It should be you can run but you cant hide and sooner or later I'm gonna kill you (well not me the Mercs) and ill keep doing it till that griefer doesnt exist (in-game) anymore. I personally think this as a game mechanic would be way better than the existing set up. Exactly my point though. You say you'll do that. You probably even honestly think you will. But the truth is you won't. Nothing will be any different except maybe that the griefer will get even more satisfaction out of it. Hell I know I'd be happy to know someone was spending billions of isk a months just to "hunt me down". Which would be completely counter-productive to your goal of punishing the person. You know what. On second thought, yes I agree. CCP should force people out of noobcorps. C&P could use the entertainment when people start bragging about how much the silly carebears are wasting hunting down the evil griefers. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.29 04:11:00 - [12] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 29/01/2009 04:13:31 Originally by: Khemul Zula Exactly my point though. You say you'll do that. You probably even honestly think you will. But the truth is you won't. Nothing will be any different except maybe that the griefer will get even more satisfaction out of it. Hell I know I'd be happy to know someone was spending billions of isk a months just to "hunt me down". Which would be completely counter-productive to your goal of punishing the person. You know what. On second thought, yes I agree. CCP should force people out of noobcorps. C&P could use the entertainment when people start bragging about how much the silly carebears are wasting hunting down the evil griefers. But it wouldn't matter if they followed through with war decs or not. The point is that now they have the option to. The various fees proposed, especially if they scaled up with the size of a corp, would also nerf the current alliance hopping corps and corp hopping players from bigger entities.
ollobrains2 Gallente New Eve Order Holdings	Posted - 2009.01.29 04:20:00 - [13] pick on someone who will fight back or go low sec or 00
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.29 04:22:00 - [14] Originally by: ollobrains2 pick on someone who will fight back or go low sec or 00 lol.
Terrigal	Posted - 2009.01.29 04:22:00 - [15] I'm honestly thinking about it, joining my mates pirate corp as im so angry I just want to kill and grief peoples back. I guess this how alot of pilots become pirates
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.29 04:24:00 - [16] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 29/01/2009 04:25:26 Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 29/01/2009 04:13:31 Originally by: Khemul Zula Exactly my point though. You say you'll do that. You probably even honestly think you will. But the truth is you won't. Nothing will be any different except maybe that the griefer will get even more satisfaction out of it. Hell I know I'd be happy to know someone was spending billions of isk a months just to "hunt me down". Which would be completely counter-productive to your goal of punishing the person. You know what. On second thought, yes I agree. CCP should force people out of noobcorps. C&P could use the entertainment when people start bragging about how much the silly carebears are wasting hunting down the evil griefers. But it wouldn't matter if they followed through with war decs or not. The point is that now they have the option to. The various fees proposed, especially if they scaled up with the size of a corp, would also nerf the current alliance hopping corps and corp hopping players from bigger entities. I won't disagree with that. If they change the wardec mechanic then it would make sense to change the noobcorp mechanic. But only in that case, because in the game's current state changing the way noobcorps work would do nothing. Although I do still wonder, even if they change the wardec and noobcorp mechanics to make it possible to hunt down griefers, how many people will actually do it. I mean if you get griefed, are you really going to pay for mercs to hunt down a one or two-person corp? All they have to do is not undock, or even just run around EVE avoiding the mercs. If no one is going to follow through with wardecs, then changing the whole system isn't really worth the trouble. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.01.29 04:25:00 - [17] i too am defenseless against high sec gankers.
Terrigal	Posted - 2009.01.29 04:28:00 - [18] And it dont cost billions of isk to hire Mercs. I've several Merc corps i've employed before, 50mil up front and 10mil a kill.
ollobrains2 Gallente New Eve Order Holdings	Posted - 2009.01.29 04:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Terrigal I'm honestly thinking about it, joining my mates pirate corp as im so angry I just want to kill and grief peoples back. I guess this how alot of pilots become pirates u can if u wanted to spread karma get a scan probe ship and go ninja salvage, loot and respond to aggro or yeah low sec or 0.0 are options
Cyprus Black Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.29 05:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Terrigal It not the loss that erks me its the lack of being able to do anything about. Time you fixed this broken game mechanic CCP cause if you dont the economy might fix you. Yea im rage quiting and before you all say can i have your stuff ive given it all away already. 2 more accounts lost CCP. Rage quitting eh? You won't be missed. Really, you won't. ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.29 06:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Cyprus Black Originally by: Terrigal It not the loss that erks me its the lack of being able to do anything about. Time you fixed this broken game mechanic CCP cause if you dont the economy might fix you. Yea im rage quiting and before you all say can i have your stuff ive given it all away already. 2 more accounts lost CCP. Rage quitting eh? You won't be missed. Really, you won't. I will. I rather liked his posts, such as this one and many other ones that I can not think of at this time. I for one will miss...erm...the OP...when he is gone. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.29 06:05:00 - [22] Bye, uhm, guy. The emoticon just doesn't quite express the emo tears I shall shed. ----------------------------------------------- shin ku myo u Please note: Everything I say is flavored with irony, cynicism and, of course, minty freshness.
Kusum Fawn	Posted - 2009.01.29 07:11:00 - [23] Edited by: Kusum Fawn on 29/01/2009 07:15:32 How about noob corps requiring a positive sec stat, or you get booted to noncorp and completely unsupported (wardecable as an individual, fees for hanger space, warp gates fees etc) would make you join a player corp real fast, or have attacking nonaggroed players give a corp and faction standing hit as well,like if i am well liked by Duvolle and you gank me, you lose standings with duvolle as well, (as well as Caldari navy, what ever corps like me as well as my noob corp, etc,) as a percentage of my total standing with the corp, so like you ganking me at a hisec gate loses you more then just a sec hit but corp hit as well, I was just wondering why you don't have those issues already, If i have a good Corp standing, then shouldn't they be sad that i got killed? it doesn't have to be a large hit, but one that's a discouragement to just random ganking. Also i see no reason why people should be able to stay in noob corps indefinitely kick them out after 3 months, make them join player corps or make them work for the corp, It would make me happy to have 2 year old carebear miners have to do noobcorp missions for their continued protection, (if i did nothing at work id be fired eventually) make them sell tons of ore to the NPC corp for being able to stay in it.
Darkeen Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.29 07:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Dirk Magnum But war mechanics need a change too. A good time to do that would be the same time you nerf NPC corps. Make hiding in stations the only way to avoid war decs for at least the first week or two. Disallow corp jumping or alliance jumping or any of that silly crap. Make leaving the corp possible only through a fee during the mandatory non-avoidance period. Allow surrender fees to be paid only after the first week. But, to ensure nobody is just perpetually griefed, have a required peace period follow any given dec against a particular corp. If someone wants to jump around a variety of tiny corps running up the size of their employment history list and showing themselves to be unwilling to sacrifice for a corp in conflict, then fine. They can pay the fees to leave a dec'd corp prematurely. Their call. Sandbox, etc. I agree. Even better, change the agrro timer to a week to allow the agro'ed player/s to beat hell outof each other for a week. If you dont like it then simpy start training frigate 5 or some other similar long skil and come back when the timer is over.. And that will fix macrominers too - they either get constantly gfanked or they stop macromining for the week. Either way situation fixed! Regards, Jason Brisbane
Esamir	Posted - 2009.01.29 09:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Terrigal I'm honestly thinking about it, joining my mates pirate corp as im so angry I just want to kill and grief peoples back. I guess this how alot of pilots become pirates Er no, most people don't play games out of anger
ResearchBunny Beatrix	Posted - 2009.01.29 09:26:00 - [26] Edited by: ResearchBunny Beatrix on 29/01/2009 09:26:22 Can I have your stuff? Next time don't AFK haul in an indy in hisec, k?
Ergebt Euch	Posted - 2009.01.29 09:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Haakelen And I'm sick a high sec carebears hiding in NPC corps. You can't hide in an NPC corp from suicide ganks, stupid. Originally by: Haakelen It's not the people making riskfree ISK that irks me, it's the lack of being able to do anything about it. Only a moron doesn't know how to do something against people in highsec. The smart ones know it and profit.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.01.29 09:55:00 - [28] Remove NPC Corps, may individual characters war-deccable, if they don't like it, they join a corp.
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.01.29 09:57:00 - [29] i would like the option to be corpless
NeoTheo Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.29 10:17:00 - [30] npc corps are a good thing, how about to stay in one you have to maintain a high sec status?

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