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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:46:00 -
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ITT: WAAAAAA I'M AN EVE PLAYER WAAAAAAA THAT SHOULD GIVE ME SPECIAL PRIVILIGES WAAAAAAAA
Grow the hell up, the lot of you.
An in-character blog and a video:
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.20 23:50:00 -
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Din Tempre wrote:A month or two might not seem like a lot, but some of us have been following dust for years.
You seem to be assuming that I haven't. Believe me, I have. And believe me, I want to get an email inviting me to play the beta as much as you.
Unlike you, I haven't translated my enthusiasm into a sense of entitlement and bratty impatience. The Beta is a testing tool, and an important one that's there to iron out kinks in the game before it's released. It's not a zarking reward scheme.
Astonishingly, one of the most important demographics that CCP will be wanting to get feedback on DUST from are people who aren't already emotionally invested in EVE Online, and who haven't been waiting patiently for DUST for a couple of years. The people who can give it a reasonably fair and unbiased opinion rather than fangasming all over it, in other words.
Being a paying EVE customer is ALREADY giving you privileged access in the form of Mordu's Private Trials and Fanfest beta keys. It's just not giving you immediate, right-this-second privileged access which is what you and so many other people seem to want.
Cultivate some patience. you've already waited a couple of years - what's another month going to harm you?
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.21 13:51:00 -
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Baneken wrote:Stitcher wrote:TL;DR - HTFU. This and on the other hand giving keys to everyone does give a more accurate info on the games overall appeal even if the testing quality might suffer compared to a public beta collected entirely from a fan base.
This, and DUST simply isn't aimed at existing EVE players. The entire point of it is to bring more players into New Eden from a completely different demographic, not to pander to the existing community.
CCP need to know that the game has appeal for and is accessible to people who aren't already part of the established community. They're not going to achieve that by throwing around beta keys like gratitude candy to every butthurt forum brat who unfairly and inaccurately accuses them of "neglect".
What I take from the leaked beta videos is that a vocal component to the information screens might be a good idea. Right now people are like "ugh, tutorial window CLOSE." and then spend five minutes trying to upgrade a skill that they don't have enough SP for or which is already at level five, whilst ignoring the green and red numbers that are supposed to let them know what is and isn't possible, and even ignore the error message they get every time.
An unskippable but short AURA announcement to accompany the error message might help. you know, something like "You do not have enough stored Skill Points to afford this skill level"[/i] in the same bored tone of voice that we hear "you are unable to warp because you are warp scrambled.". Maybe if they do it ten times AURA could get bitchy and be like "I assume that you must have ignored the tutorial window I helpfully displayed for you when you first attempted to access this feature. Would you like to refresh your memory?
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.22 01:50:00 -
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Celebris Nexterra wrote:Actually, it's the complete opposite. I have been following DUST since its inception and that first highly vague trailer, since before basically any information had been released about it... I have since followed all announcements about it and all videos posted of gameplay.
You mean Torfi's "TotalHellDeath" video from that Fanfest Keynote speech? Yeah, I was in the front row.
Here's the thing. trying to demonstrate that you have the biggest fanboy hardon for DUST is infantile, not impressive. A lot of people have been following this thing from the moment the first breadcrumbs were thrown. You're not unique in your enthusiasm, nor does being the BIGGEST DUST FAN EVAR entitle you to special treatment.
Quote:You suggest that our experience with EVE and attention to DUST's ongoing development biases our opinion in a way that would hurt the validity of the beta, but I say nay. The fact that we know how EVE works, how sov mechanics work, how FiS mechanics work, and that we know the purpose for DUST, means we would have more applicable questions/suggestions.
You're missing the point. They don't yet need feedback on sov mechanics and how the game impacts FiS right now. I guarantee you that those are among the things to which they've given the most serious thought, in fact. Us EVE veterans are, at the moment, less likely to have valuable feedback for them next to the feedback from the much, MUCH larger target audience of people who are not EVE veterans.
Sure, CCP will almost certainly want to hear the veterans' opinions on the things you mentioned. But what they want and need most at the moment is to know whether or not somebody with no prior experience of EVE Online can pick up the game and get their bearings quickly because if their New Player Experience isn't up to scratch then that's the first priority to get fixed.
For example, you are familiar with the idea of a skill having a maximum of five levels. Somebody completely new to the setting won't be, and CCP will want to know, among other things, whether or not that maximum is made clear enough to avoid people getting confused and complaining about not being able to skill up.
Quote:And you said "Being a paying EVE customer is ALREADY giving you privileged access..." That's exactly the point. We (and myself in particular) signed up for that closed beta minutes after the devblog was posted with the link, and the vast majority of us didn't get into the beta.
"And myself in particular?" Okay, I'll come back to that in a second, but before I do... Have you never heard of the word "yet" before? You are not in the beta YET.
YET.
Quote:yet (/yet/)
Adverb:
Up until the present or an unspecified or implied time; by now or then: "I haven't left yet".
Quote:No one is claiming more of a sense of entitlement than that.
Remember that "and myself in particular" bit? As if you're somehow the super special princess snowflake pony and CCP should be worshipping you and combing your mane?
"Oh, it's okay. I don't have a sense of entitlement. I just want my nice gift RIGHT NOW. I'm owed it because I am more excited for DUST than you are."
Let me tell you what you're actually entitled to:
The service you are buying from CCP is access to Tranquility and play time in EVE Online. that's it. That's all your money is good for, and all they're legally obliged to give you under the terms of the contract between company and customer. Things like anniversary handouts, beta keys, fanfest goodies and so on? they're gifts. Perks. bonuses. CCP being nice and giving us stuff that we didn't actually pay for because they're good people like that.
And you're throwing a tantrum because you weren't the first kid to sit on Santa's lap this year.
Let me be perfectly clear: YOU HAVE NOT BEEN LET DOWN.
Sure, if the game actually goes to full release without any EVE player ever getting into the beta, THEN we'll have been let down. THEN it would be reasonable to complain.
Right now what's happening is that the first wave of the beta has started, you weren't lucky enough to get in on it, and so you're raging. Can't you see how childish that is?
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.22 16:46:00 -
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What Valkerias said I wrote:Getting mad because a promise made to you was broken and then YOU were yelled at because someone else is breaking the toy YOU were promised is childish. GROW UP AND QUIT WHINING, YEESH!
If you can find me a legitimate definition of the term "broken promise" which allows for a promise to have been broken before it's due to be honoured, I will personally buy you sixty PLEX*. The ACTUAL promise is that we'll be getting our access to DUST sometime during the next few weeks. See update 2 in this linked article.
And... "breaking"? Seriously? We're not talking about a pretty glitter fairy doll here that your little sister decided to give an impromptu haircut here. How the hell can it be broken by somebody getting to play a version that's actually an older build than the one at Fanfest before you get to come along and try out a more up-to-date version?
*Comment intended as rhetoric and does not constitute an actual offer.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.22 18:06:00 -
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Firnas wrote:You are getting pretty excited about a console shooter. Those things have a shelflife of about 6 months at most.
Counterstrike, Team Fortress 2, Quake 3 Arena and Planetside spring to mind as exceptions to your rule. TF2 and Planetside especially can draw parallels to DUST, in that both have character persistence, though only one was a formal MMOFPS.
Don't think of DUST as a console shooter. think of it as a first-person perspective sandbox MMO. The big reason that console shooters fail is that after a while a new FOTM comes along, the servers start to become empty and it stops being worth playing the game.
I may be wrong, but I personally think that the added persistence and sandbox aspects of DUST, plus the fact that it's plugged in to EVE, is going to make a hell of a difference.
Firnas wrote:Honestly though, DUST is as bad an idea as Ambulation was. Just divorce yourself from it emotionally, and remember to undock your spaceship, and everything will be ok.
WiS isn't even a finished feature yet, and I personally actually quite like it so far, minimal functionality though it may have.
Was Trinity a bad idea, or a waste of development resources? No. EVE needs to expand in order to thrive, and it's this sort of attitude which is the main reason I'm not raking in billions from running a casino in Jita by now. If it's not FiS then a lot of people just don't want to know. It must be horrible to be so short-sighted.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:23:00 -
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no, but they illustrate the point nicely. Shooters on PC have very frequently had similar longevity problems.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.23 13:52:00 -
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Ghoest, you really need to learn the difference between "crying" and "reminding of a legal obligation". It's not like they're eating a pint of Ben and Jerry's while listening to Christina Aguilera and telling each other that people are big stupid mean doo-doo heads.
They're pointing out that if you're in the beta, that means that you have agreed to and signed an internationally legally binding document and that failure to honour that document will have appropriate consequences.
and AFAIK, "tangible efforts to destroy" something don't usually involve eager and active participation.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:44:00 -
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Osirus Bayne wrote:I have a Beta Code from fanfest but when I go to the site on the card it says the Beta Registration will begin soon. Am I missing something?
nope. Exactly what it says on the tin. Beta registration begins SOONGäó
This article explains what's going on.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:07:00 -
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ELECTR0FREAK wrote:Problem with that logic is that, as far as we know, no EVE Online players actually have access to DUST 514 at this time.
What difference does that make? EVE players will be getting access to DUST in the near future, and the NDA is going to be just as relevant then as it is right now. We're pre-emptively warned this way.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.26 08:16:00 -
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ELECTR0FREAK wrote:Everyone is pre-emptively warned when they are presented with the NDA, so that's a moot point.
Except that apparently a lot of people were just like "BLABLABLASCROLLSCROLL YES I HAVE READ THE TERMS AND BLOODY CONDITIONS YAWN GO AWAY BORING LEGAL STUFF I WANT TO BLOW S**T UP"
Which, I mean sure there's a good argument for letting natural selection take its course here, but it's only fair to give people a second clear message and ultimatum about this stuff. Especially seeing as CCP don't want the NDA to be breached. The more different places and formats you present information in, the more likely it is that people will actually get the message.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.27 19:15:00 -
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Nicholas Barker wrote:Is CCP capable of doing anything without it turning into a shitfest?
I'd LOVE to hear you explain how people ignoring a legal warning and breaking contract is the company's fault.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:30:00 -
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ELECTR0FREAK wrote:this thread did leave a bitter taste in many a mouth of CCP's most dedicated.
Well that's just bloody unreasonable.
Look, we've been over this. Let me summarize my points.
1) DUST is not aimed at the existing EVE fanbase, it's aimed at a completely different demographic. The feedback of your "random uncaring nobodies" is precisely what they're going to want MORE than that of the self-interested EVE player.
(Also, "random uncaring nobodies"? Really? you need to check your arrogance, son.)
2) The more places and avenues an announcement like this is made in, the more people it will reach. Given that the plan is for Fanfest attendees and us players who've signed up for the Beta to eventually get access anyway, it makes sense to remind us of this stuff. It's still relevant and important.
3) Paying for an EVE subscription does not entitle you to anything other than being able to play EVE. Anything else you get is a bonus or gift, but such gestures are not required of a company. It is NOT reasonable to demand them.
4) Grow the hell up.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.05.02 05:38:00 -
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Okay, so the game doesn't crank your engine, fine. Taste is an entirely subjective thing after all.
But this sort of knee-jerk "I don't like anything new" conservatism is NOT how you run a company successfully. The fact that you personally aren't interested in DUST is not proof that it's going to flop.
also, I've got a word for you to learn: "Expand". meaning to increase, grow or enlarge. THAT's what DUST is intended to do: expand CCP's customer base, not replace it.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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