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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.13 16:12:00 -
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Take a standard carrier and double it.
HP / Shield / hull / cost.
Now you have a ship that is twice a carrier but one that can be killed.
Lose all bonuses for immunity of electronic warfare.
Leave the DPS / drones / fighter/ bombers the way they are.
Drop all bonuses for remote repping or power transfers
Now you have a raw DPS boat that is respectable but not ridiculous.
High DPS yes but one that can be locked down and destroyed by a sub cap fleet.
Lastly let them dock.
Done.
Something worth using that costs twice as much as a carrier but is hardly overpowered.
And with no bonuses to repping, better to use a standard carrier for those tasks.
In other words defined roles.
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Sigras
Conglomo
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
6
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Posted - 2011.09.13 19:27:00 -
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and to all the people you just screwed by cutting the price of their ship by an order of magnitude? |
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2011.09.13 19:57:00 -
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Sigras wrote:and to all the people you just screwed by cutting the price of their ship by an order of magnitude?
Screwed, not really, CCP could refund players or not.
The question is would this fix super carriers.
Not they would be super carriers anymore but then again I am not sure we really need a true super carrier in game.
Unless you want to leave them the way they are now and increase to cost to that of a titan ?
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Demon Azrakel
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
18
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Posted - 2011.09.14 02:30:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Sigras wrote:and to all the people you just screwed by cutting the price of their ship by an order of magnitude? Screwed, not really, CCP could refund players or not. The question is would this fix super carriers. Not they would be super carriers anymore but then again I am not sure we really need a true super carrier in game. Unless you want to leave them the way they are now and increase to cost to that of a titan ?
TBH, you are talking about their old stats and removing what made the old ones special. Over-nerfing is over-nerfing. I would be fine with a flat revert to pre dominion 1.1. I am just pissed that they said, lets make SCs do what dreads do, but 10x better (come on, not like a bs will **** 10 cruisers, SC will **** 10 dreads...). Personally, I suggest removal of FBs, so SCs are not taking the Capital Killing role away from dreadnaughts (25 damage bonused fighters still do quite a bit of DPS...also, give them back clone bay) |
Headerman
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
77
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Posted - 2011.09.14 02:50:00 -
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It's not going to fix the problem.
If you nerf it that bad, and don't reduce the construction costs, everyone is going to suicide their SCs and just jump into a titan. |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Aqusition
2
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Posted - 2011.09.14 03:19:00 -
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Sigras wrote:and to all the people you just screwed by cutting the price of their ship by an order of magnitude?
Q Q i lost some pixel moneys do to a change in game...
the only people that cry about losing money in game are people that spend real money to buy fake money.
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Crexa
Star Mandate
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Posted - 2011.09.14 03:27:00 -
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How about instead of your nerf. Which is what you are proposing. CCP creates a counter for the super-carrier. IE. a new gun type to fit to dreads specifically to deal with them. It makes for an interesting fleet mix if you don't know what the enemy is packing, (either guns to fight supers, or guns to siege pos, or... ). |
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2011.09.14 03:57:00 -
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Yes I am proposing a nerf.
Either (a) you just leave them alone, not going to happen.
or
(b) I would rather have a cheaper super carrier with the same DPS then going back to what they were before FB's.
Nobody flew them cause they were not worth the expense.
I realize that they will no longer be a super capital at that point but to be honest I am not sure we really need 2 different types of super capitals in game.
The titans have already been nerfed down to a single fire weapon and wait for recharge, and you can balance them simply by playing with the delay timer, that leaves super carriers.
They were made originally to kill POS's but people now are using them to kill other capitals.
Which once again puts super carriers in a fix.
To fix capitals as a hole CCP is going to have to sit down and define roles for each ship and make sure that is all they can do.
Then and only then are we going to see any sort of balance across the super capital field.
So
Carrier - Support // Repping and some DPS.
Dreads - POS Killing and .....
Super Carrriers - ??????
Titans - Bridging and a counter to other Titans.
We need to fix the capital role list first.
PS - Counter to Captial Drone boats , Bombers, counter intuitive to drop bombs on your own player but if you lose one ship and at the same time remove all of your opponents DPS. Well that falls under except-able loss. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
10
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Posted - 2011.09.14 08:44:00 -
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Nerfing them that hard will make them gather dust until the next boost cycle .. bad idea.
Sigras wrote:and to all the people you just screwed by cutting the price of their ship by an order of magnitude?
You mean all the people who got them after the boost and thus most likely did so by breaking the EULA by using bots and other evil things? 
- Cut 33-50% of EHP values.
- Segregate drones bays to allow for only a token amount of normal drones.
- Tweak bombers to make them more vulnerable to sub-cap weapons fire.
- Make immunity only apply when in own sovereign space (think about it .. its brilliant!)
- Remove a couple of highslots.
Combine with a boost to Dreads that doesn't involve making Dread blobs the new fad (been there, done that). |
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2011.09.14 15:45:00 -
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Hmm nobody cares to try and complete this list ?
So
Carrier - Support // Repping and some DPS.
Dreads - POS Killing and .....
Super Carrriers - ??????
Titans - Bridging and a counter to other Titans.
Can't balance them till this is done.
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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2011.09.15 03:37:00 -
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After some thought I have made some changes.
Please see my signature for the new thread.
THis one can be closed.
Thanks for the input.
Capitals (Balancing and Roles) |
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