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5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.02.01 05:02:00 - [1] It seems like they are just not made for any sort of pvp under mass fleet engagements. Slowest ships in the game... Worse drone capability in the game... No real point in them having heavy drones, and never get a full compliment of 5 on practically any ship. Target painters don't work, launcher rigs arent worth it, duel webs and microwarp for keeping range is far more effective. Tried thinking outside the box blackbird is an easy kill no matter, falcon works because it can ambush. Caracal, tried support, couldnt tank to save it's life so went with basic mwd or ab and sensor booster instead tried... fitting 3 target disruptors, doesnt work, gets obliterated, tried fitted 3 sensor dampeners, nowhere near cuts down under the desirable 25km range to save tacklers on a lot of ships mainly because almost every ship in existence likes fitting sensor boosters. Moa, just plain useless really, terrible fitting capability and pathetic damage. Ferox, crap damage as blaster ship, very lackluster as a sniper, I have tried to make this ship work as much as I could've, but something about it just says roadkill waiting to happen to me. this and the tech 2 command ship versions of the ferox, I couldnt figure out what the point of them was? As all they seemed like they were good at was fitting enourmous passive tanks and running level V's. Drake : Amazingly and surprisingly a great ship, probably the best t1 battlecruiser in the game. Scorpion : a good ship but I hope you like dying pretty much all the time... cough primary cough Raven : works well armor buffer tanked a lot now, hurting so badly for an extra mid slot it's unbelievable but I know if they did its tanking capability would be too OTT, maybe they should look at expanding the utility options for low slots to try and reduce the fail. Rokh sniper : The worst DPS of any sniper. Raven sniper : enjoy watching your cruise missiles do less then half damage against most targets that will be easily speed tanking them anywhere between 1-300km while the apocs and abbaddons next to you vapourise all the frigs and cruisers before closing in and engaging with bigger stuff. Then I decided to look at navy versions, Navy Osprey, pathetic excuse for a ship considering it's supposed to be an equal to the navy augoror. Baffles me quite frankly. Navy Caracal : No range bonuses to your HAM's... Cerberus gets two... Navy Raven : No extra slots, no extra powergrid, falling so hard in the markets I'm wondering when I'm going to see one selling for 200 million isk. Someone throw me some ideas... One think that irritates me is I'd at least be a lot happier if they had a really solid reliable cruiser that could take a punch, the ugly old Moa should have been that ship but meh...
Falcon Troy Caldari Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2009.02.01 05:34:00 - [2] It's called cross training as flying any one race is fail. _____________ Hai.
Draku Rykenen Gallente Exiled. Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.01 05:34:00 - [3] Train into Gallente ships. Train Gallente ship skills, train for armor tanking, continue training hybrid turrets, train drones. Now you are very flexible and have a wide array of ships and capabilities to choose from.
Gneeznow Minmatar Goo Spew	Posted - 2009.02.01 05:36:00 - [4] Edited by: Gneeznow on 01/02/2009 05:40:34 you forgot the falcon ...... edit: and the basilisk .... edit2: blasterferox is pretty good, as is blasterokh
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.02.01 05:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Falcon Troy It's called cross training as flying any one race is fail. Blasphemy! hugs his Amarr ships It's okay, the bad man didn't mean it. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Caylle	Posted - 2009.02.01 05:45:00 - [6] Try using some of the blaster setups for ships. Blaster harpy, eagle, and especially rokh is insanely good. Good range with null as well.
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.01 05:48:00 - [7] You know what, OP? You're absolutely correct. Caldari are terrible and there is no denying it. Buff Caldari! ()
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.02.01 05:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Falcon Troy It's called cross training as flying any one race is fail. Actually cross training to fly FOTM is fail. It'll take forever to master more than one race and you'll be mediocre at all cross trained races. Pick one or two ship and master them and you can probably use them for any type of battle.
OffBeaT Caldari KaMiKaZes	Posted - 2009.02.01 05:57:00 - [9] Edited by: OffBeaT on 01/02/2009 05:59:19 man, they just wrecked these ship.. i am almost at a loss to even play this game anymore as these ships are all i care to fly & trained hard for. i am a bit of a roll player when it come to my tek.. how did these ships go from the top fighting pvp ships to the useless class of ships they are now i don't know. they dont have enough cpu/power grid to even fit the new setups you need to be able to stay alive in. some have too few mid slots to fit them right with the new mods you need to be effective in combat. missiles well cant hit ** or do any real damage when they do.. they get cought to easy do to the sig cost with rigs. at lest give the rokh a damage bonus with some type of amo. these guys are real **s for messing up these ships like this.. do they even fight in them?
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.01 06:00:00 - [10] Just train for a typhoon, you will be able to fly every other ship by the time you get there.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.01 06:01:00 - [11] Caracal Hello I'm dysfuntianal pvp caracal. I Dont know how to shield tank or fit assualt missile launcher to pick of pesky targets off of my friends so I decided to luck tank with ewar on a non ewar bonused ship and go figure I get killed more easily, oh I tried tackeling in it too and getting to close to the enemy knowing I'm a toothpick to begin with. Moa I am failsauce moa, I just tried to fit the biggest damn guns I possibly can to do damage to ships bigger than me, I should know better that I am better designed for hitting smaller targets way far awayway. Maybe if I shed a few pounds on the guns I can probably fit thicker candy coated shell. Ferox Hi Im Ferox the unpopular, ever since the drake arrived I been the second hand child on all combat related ordeals. maybe I should support my friends instead with repair fire control support. Drake Hi Im uberdrake, uhm why am I here? Scorpion Dunno Im popular but everyone hates me at the same time. Raven Hi Im late to the party raven, I slow to swing and cant realize that maybe I should be hitting things ahead of time, like the secodary called out I also have problems swatting flies barehanded maybe if a vigil or one of his cousins lend me a hand with a target painting fly swatter. Rokh sniper Hi I'm da Rokh, I cant aim as fast as everyone but Im hard to stop. Maybe if I got moar tracking I would be able to hit things better. Navy Osprey Heyo Im the blacksheep N. Osprey, Im sleek and very damn fast I also great at tossing all sorts of missiles but I gotta know I have to go fast. Navy Raven Hello I am 10 launcher effective N.Raven who my bro is only 8 launcher effective cousin of mine I also got more rigs than he does which makes up for any other short commings I might have between me and my other cousins, of course he can dig though the garbage all day though.
OffBeaT Caldari KaMiKaZes	Posted - 2009.02.01 06:07:00 - [12] Edited by: OffBeaT on 01/02/2009 06:07:52 Originally by: Nova Fox Caracal Hello I'm dysfuntianal pvp caracal. I Dont know how to shield tank or fit assualt missile launcher to pick of pesky targets off of my friends so I decided to luck tank with ewar on a non ewar bonused ship and go figure I get killed more easily, oh I tried tackeling in it too and getting to close to the enemy knowing I'm a toothpick to begin with. Moa I am failsauce moa, I just tried to fit the biggest damn guns I possibly can to do damage to ships bigger than me, I should know better that I am better designed for hitting smaller targets way far awayway. Maybe if I shed a few pounds on the guns I can probably fit thicker candy coated shell. Ferox Hi Im Ferox the unpopular, ever since the drake arrived I been the second hand child on all combat related ordeals. maybe I should support my friends instead with repair fire control support. Drake Hi Im uberdrake, uhm why am I here? Scorpion Dunno Im popular but everyone hates me at the same time. Raven Hi Im late to the party raven, I slow to swing and cant realize that maybe I should be hitting things ahead of time, like the secodary called out I also have problems swatting flies barehanded maybe if a vigil or one of his cousins lend me a hand with a target painting fly swatter. Rokh sniper Hi I'm da Rokh, I cant aim as fast as everyone but Im hard to stop. Maybe if I got moar tracking I would be able to hit things better. Navy Osprey Heyo Im the blacksheep N. Osprey, Im sleek and very damn fast I also great at tossing all sorts of missiles but I gotta know I have to go fast. Navy Raven Hello I am 10 launcher effective N.Raven who my bro is only 8 launcher effective cousin of mine I also got more rigs than he does which makes up for any other short commings I might have between me and my other cousins, of course he can dig though the garbage all day though. this comming from a gang banger who never fought a battle solo in eve in his life.. this coming from a gang banger who never fought a battle solo in eve in his life.. i have been in these ships since day one in this game its all i fly and i am telling you they are ****ed up. i can deal with the missiles being weak but rig en them now is a different matter..
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.01 06:12:00 - [13] Haha, you think the Rokh is a bad sniper. By the way, my current Scorp is getting close to running out of insurance, I have an "A" name, and have been in plenty of the big fights recently. Yet it isn't dead. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
OffBeaT Caldari KaMiKaZes	Posted - 2009.02.01 06:17:00 - [14] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Haha, you think the Rokh is a bad sniper. By the way, my current Scorp is getting close to running out of insurance, I have an "A" name, and have been in plenty of the big fights recently. Yet it isn't dead. didnt say it was a bad sniper! i bet you ant killing anything in it.. the scorp is a so port ship not a combat stand up ship..
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.01 06:19:00 - [15] Originally by: OffBeaT didnt say it was a bad sniper! i bet you ant killing anything in it.. the scorp is a so port ship not a combat stand up ship.. Yea, I wasn't talking to you. That's why I didn't quote you and didn't reference anything you said. Now, what exactly is a "port ship"?
OffBeaT Caldari KaMiKaZes	Posted - 2009.02.01 06:22:00 - [16] i meant the scorp is a support ship & not a flat out combat ship..
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.01 06:24:00 - [17] And with all that moastly correct info in the op Caldari are still the undisputed Kings of PVE. Take it where you can get it folks.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.01 06:31:00 - [18] Originally by: OffBeaT Edited by: OffBeaT on 01/02/2009 06:07:52 this coming from a gang banger who never fought a battle solo in eve in his life.. i have been in these ships since day one in this game its all i fly and i am telling you they are ****ed up. i can deal with the missiles being weak but rig en them now is a different matter.. Im sorry solo pvp in the hospital in critical condition when I joined. I try to not reminisc on old tatics when newer behaviors punish the old unevolved. Yes I do have a solo kill on record, it was me vs a stealth bomber that decide to tackle me and and his torpedo raven buddy (post torpedo boost) Blew up the tackler with the drones and began to align to warp out of there as there where more than jsut those two in the system that wherent firendly. The raven notices this and activates ramming speed! I switch to manual flight and angled off just ejough that he bumps off path I maintain flight heading and got out of there with 95% of my hull. I do say it was the first pvp engagement that I survived and didnt live up to my nickname's namesake "ship on fire." The rest of my solo pvp record was usually 4-7 of them vs me. Off record I got three more solo kills, and at the time I didnt know about killboards about 3rd month into game got jumped by wartargets in highsec, tossed out the drones and they all died. This put me in the lead for most enemy ships killed during that war but we lose and wound up with like 20 more wardecs and before we knew it we where being station camped 23/7 corp fell apart and then we got another backstab, bleh the good ole days, only pvp lesson I ever learned from that was never trust anyone.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.02.01 06:35:00 - [19] I fly Caldari exclusively and I can't say I've ever had a reason yet to write off the race as a whole. Infact, I've done just the opposite and I am in the process of maxing everything related to Caldari ships and love every minute of it. I'm a purist like that.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.01 06:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Schalac I fly Caldari exclusively and I can't say I've ever had a reason yet to write off the race as a whole. Infact, I've done just the opposite and I am in the process of maxing everything related to Caldari ships and love every minute of it. I'm a purist like that. But see, that wouldn't make a good forum thread.
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.01 06:42:00 - [21] You should fly the race that you enjoy. Anything else makes you a sellout and a coward.
Frug Repo Industries	Posted - 2009.02.01 07:00:00 - [22] Originally by: bff Jill You should fly the race that you enjoy. Anything else makes you a sellout and a coward. Quoting for truth. Also, drakes are not that great. You have also somehow completely disregardead the Eagle, which is a good ship. You've also ignored the Crow, which is arguably the best interceptor. At least consider all the ships. Although I agree with you in the end, caldari do generally blow at any pvp that isn't in a medium sized gang.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.01 07:21:00 - [23] 5pin- Quite frankly, I know how you feel, nothing seems to really be all that effective after QR. What's kinda funny (or not) is that even if you did crosstrain into other races I think you'd end up being disappointed for one reason or another. Everything has it's drawbacks. Blaster ships have a terrible time tracking anything these days, drone ships get their drones mauled all the time, Amarr still have cap issues when neuted, have a lack of mid slots and are fairly hard to fit (speaking of the Geddon here), I generally don't end up fitting ab/mwd on my Amarr ships and they're generally pretty slow, despite their gang performance I just don't like 'em very much. My Minmatar BS are also kinda 'meh'. My Tempest is more of an endurance ship: wear the other guy down with ACs/neuts and wait for him to die, but with gate gun DPS incoming it kind of ruins that aspect of it. These days I find myself liking the Hurricane and some of the HICs (Broadsword, Phobos) and the Falcon of course, but everything else always has some glaring shortcoming for one reason or another. Amarr are actually pretty solid, particularly for larger RR gangs and such, and for fleet, but I don't do either so I really prefer my MWD fit ships for small 2-3 man gang stuff, even if I have to work around their shortcomings. While the Rokh has lowish DPS, complaining about DPS output from a sniper is kind of moot at this point. They all have crap DPS relatively speaking. No, Pulse Apocs don't count. TBH I like the HAM Cerb quite a bit, and the Drake is always fun for solo gate camping and just passively tanking the gate guns while shooting haulers. Onyx is awesome. Eagle can be fun for sniping frigs and pods, particularly stealth bombers. The Scorp is only primary because it's so much of a real threat. That means it's worthwhile. As for Navy Ravens, well, Navy Mega prices are super low these days as well. That's only due to the massive ISK farming going on, not an indicator of how good the ship is. Cross train if you like, but you're going to find that the grass isn't all that great on the other side either. Every race has it's shortcomings. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.01 09:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Everything has it's drawbacks. Originally by: Bellum Eternus Every race has it's shortcomings. Oh crap, I find myself agreeing with something Bellum Eternus has said!
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.01 09:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Joss Sparq Originally by: Bellum Eternus Everything has it's drawbacks. Originally by: Bellum Eternus Every race has it's shortcomings. Oh crap, I find myself agreeing with something Bellum Eternus has said! Hrrr hrrr hrrr... Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Liaress	Posted - 2009.02.01 09:35:00 - [26] Edited by: Liaress on 01/02/2009 09:36:48 Caldari are mission runners and miners. That's all really. Not really PvPers as much. Now, I know Caldari pilots that would poke holes in that, and well blast holes in my ship for that but I'm being honest. I would like to say though about the Navy Raven, this ship, even though so over used now days, and even with the massive missile nerf and crap like that, well it's still superior to many ships out there for mission running. I have my Navy Raven and I can solo a level 4 and level 5 now days with my setup and no, I'm not running Navy Invuls, (repulsive modules those are.) Anyway, PvP, unless well versed in Amarr or Gallente ships is very hard for Caldari pilots to maintain unless in a massive uberfleet. And, yes, the Moa is a very sad attempt at a gunship! But, I've seen a pilot take a Rokh and turn it into a Cruise launcher/Laser ship and make it very deadly. And another thing, the Drake, it's a god ship for noob players. Best T1 battlecruiser in the game. The Drake, if fitted correctly, can tank a level 4 mission but lacks quite a bit on fire power and that makes it hard to take down mission battleships. EDIT: Spelling
Grek Forto THE IRIS United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.01 09:39:00 - [27] lol, OP is amarr, and amarr is Fotm. And he flies Caldari..........
Zaqar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.02.01 10:43:00 - [28] This is CCP's punishment for the following crimes: Abandoning all the good reasons why you picked your birth-race, and switching to the easy-mode pve race the moment you realise your mate in his caracal does level 2s a little easier than your omen/stabber/rax. Trying to do faction warfare in pve setups then whining so much that the entire game has to be changed, just so you don't have to remove your purgers. Blocking up the undock point of every every decent mission station with your lumpy, ugly CNRs. Not searching before demanding the 'best' drake/raven setups. Accepting a ridiculous pointy-eared elf-man as your avatar, just for a couple of extra points on your stats. Telling every noob to run missions for the Caldari Navy, condemning them to a life of lag in Motsu. Running a battlecruiser that deals 250dps and tanks 850dps. Posting 'innovative' full-passive drake setups with no BCUs on battleclinic. Guilty, all of you
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.01 11:00:00 - [29] Originally by: Zaqar This is CCP's punishment for the following crimes: Abandoning all the good reasons why you picked your birth-race, and switching to the easy-mode pve race the moment you realise your mate in his caracal does level 2s a little easier than your omen/stabber/rax. Trying to do faction warfare in pve setups then whining so much that the entire game has to be changed, just so you don't have to remove your purgers. Blocking up the undock point of every every decent mission station with your lumpy, ugly CNRs. Not searching before demanding the 'best' drake/raven setups. Accepting a ridiculous pointy-eared elf-man as your avatar, just for a couple of extra points on your stats. Telling every noob to run missions for the Caldari Navy, condemning them to a life of lag in Motsu. Running a battlecruiser that deals 250dps and tanks 850dps. Posting 'innovative' full-passive drake setups with no BCUs on battleclinic. Guilty, all of you I loled.
Lilla Kharn Amarr State Protectorate Academy	Posted - 2009.02.01 11:08:00 - [30] Edited by: Lilla Kharn on 01/02/2009 11:11:09 Gee, I've seen several great Caldari setups. I personally hate Caldari ships. The typical Drake setup, crap. Raven, crap. Caracal, crap. The Rokh is a great sniper, you don't look at DPS for snipers most of the time. I've seen a solo Rokh setup that tore up any of the battleships I can fly. I was on a team with a great sniping Vulture. Until you learn how to fit ships better, don't speak tbh. And the Drake by the way is not the best battlecruiser in the game. It might be one of the worst. [Keep in mind please I'm talking about the typical setups people usually fly.]

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