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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.02 15:31:00 -
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any of you tried to throw in a petition ?
i mean as the logical choice instead of opening a ****ty thread about it ?
This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
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MobyMule
Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.02 17:37:00 -
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Johannes is right. Just a few months ago 30 vs 30 was no problem. Now we have issues all the time with fleets this size. FW systems need some lovin plain and simple.
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Liz Laser
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Posted - 2009.02.02 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus Relax, EVE is just a "I'll f*** you till something better comes along" type of chick. ;-P
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2009.02.02 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: MobyMule Johannes is right. Just a few months ago 30 vs 30 was no problem. Now we have issues all the time with fleets this size. FW systems need some lovin plain and simple.
Maybe CCP assigned all the fast servers to help BoB in their invasion of the South --- "I live in Los Angeles, where driving is non-consensual pvp" - Arric Rohr |
FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.02.02 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Johannes Buckbeak See, this is how business works. You give me something I want, I give you money. What I want from this game is to have a good time, get into a nice fight and win or lose. What I DON'T want is to sit watching lag. I don't want to spend an hour getting ready for a fight, finally jumping in to a great looking battle and then just being frustrated. I get enough anger and frustration from real life, I come to the game to relax.
So if the game just delivers frustration, I'll stop paying and go and play WoW instead. And you guys will all be out of a job. How's the Icelandic economy right now? Is it a good time to be looking for a job? If not I suggest that you get off your butts and fix the lag. If you can't or won't give your CUSTOMERS what they want, then they''l stop being customers, and you'll be out of business. Simple as that.
Stop whining, fleet lag has existed in Eve almost as long as Eve has existed. Sorry, but you FW'ers aren't special.
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Mr Ignitious
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.02.02 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Johannes Buckbeak See, this is how business works. You give me something I want, I give you money. What I want from this game is to have a good time, get into a nice fight and win or lose. What I DON'T want is to sit watching lag. I don't want to spend an hour getting ready for a fight, finally jumping in to a great looking battle and then just being frustrated. I get enough anger and frustration from real life, I come to the game to relax.
So if the game just delivers frustration, I'll stop paying and go and play WoW instead. And you guys will all be out of a job. How's the Icelandic economy right now? Is it a good time to be looking for a job? If not I suggest that you get off your butts and fix the lag. If you can't or won't give your CUSTOMERS what they want, then they''l stop being customers, and you'll be out of business. Simple as that.
all i needed to read to get a good laugh.
There is no lag, the logs show nothing. And CCP is a multi-national company, they're just fine. And if you quit they lose a measly 15$ a month, but with you gone more people will want to join. So its actually proffitable to see you leave.
Oh, and your stuffz, gif to mea
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.02.02 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: BrundleMeth on 02/02/2009 18:55:49 This is all very interesting. I have only been playing for a few weeks but I am hooked. I wish I started years ago when it first came out but I was still into the now failing FPS games. (Sniff)... I never heard of EVE until just before Christmas. (Living in a cave I was)...
I haven't been lucky enough (skilled enough) to be in big battles but the good thing for me is that I have wicked arthritis in my legs and feet. So I get some serious narcotics for the pain. So I am always happy, no matter where the lag is...
Happy shooting...
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Asuna Endorine
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Posted - 2009.02.02 20:04:00 -
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excellent point Zaracaan, that does not really constitute a real blob.. i have no idea why that would lag, similar fights are very smooth in 0.0(at least last time i checked)
i presume it's a bug and it's probably being looked at. lag of course, is one of the hardest thing to spot before a new feature is released, because the devs really cant put the system under the same amount of stress that TQ predictably does |
Zaracaan
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Posted - 2009.02.02 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
Stop whining, fleet lag has existed in Eve almost as long as Eve has existed. Sorry, but you FW'ers aren't special.
On previous page a poster descripes how he had slide show lag in battle of 645 pilots and from the description it sounds like he had LESS lag (definetly not more)than our fight yesterday that involved total of 50 pilots (80 total on local). It's not whining to point out that there is something wrong there. |
NutsAllmighty
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Posted - 2009.02.02 20:51:00 -
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I normally wouldn't complain, but the lag in FW has just gotten much worse over the last month or so. Johannes, and everyone else involved in FW, has a legitimate gripe as far as I'm concerned. If CCP does nothing to fix this, I'm going to start looking for a new internet space ship game. And NO, NONE OF U CLOWNS CAN HAZ MY STUFF!! |
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Minmatar Citizen 290574
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Posted - 2009.02.02 21:45:00 -
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can i have your stuff??? and btw welcome to fleet battles my friend |
Smog890
Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2009.02.03 00:26:00 -
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sign |
Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.03 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zaracaan
On previous page a poster descripes how he had slide show lag in battle of 645 pilots and from the description it sounds like he had LESS lag (definetly not more)than our fight yesterday that involved total of 50 pilots (80 total on local). It's not whining to point out that there is something wrong there.
This has already been explained several times. The 80 local weren't all the people on the same server node. It could have been anything from 80 to several thousand. Likely the latter given your description of events.
There's N server nodes (N is close to 200 IIRC - not sure). On each of those N servers you have S systems (well Jita has a node of its own AFAIK :-) ). Of course most of these servers will be dedicated to empire space as that's where most of the population is.
So there might be 10 empire systems on 1 server and 40 0.0 systems on another (I'm making up these numbers for example purposes only). People are free to roam and can do whatever they want without CCP knowing in advance. On a regular day that empire server is idling by while a few people fight it out in empire low sec and hundreds others do some simple stuff like mining, flying around, etc... Then suddenly these systems have several FW battles going on in the same time frame in several of its systems, while a bigger fleet just moves thrrough several systems away - but still on same node - server is busy and lags - even though you only have 80 people you can see in local. They might be only 5% of the pilots on that server.
Meanwhile that other node with the 40 0.0 systems has nothing going on in 36 of its systems, there ratting in 4 and mining in 2, big battle happens with several hundred people - but they are 98% of all people on that node. And if that was a pre-planned big attack on a jump bridge system with an announcement to CCP a day in advance they even got a server dedicated to that system.
There simply is no easy/fast solution for this degree of flexibilty. FW is meant to be a casual way to quickly get into fights in the middle of high-pop-density empire.
CCP is already getting the best hardware money can buy. 2-3 years ago when CCP bought RAMSANs (solid state "disk" systems to accelerate the database) an user here commented "that's why our order from IBM got delayed".
The EVE cluster is a supercomputer already. You can either play EVE on it - or calculate next weeks weather forecast.
They are upgrading hard-/ and software all the time. Go back and see the devblogs where they mention upgrades and most recently (around QR) stacklessIO and 64bit servers.
And lag was improved over the years. A lot. But there's always be lag
Other games have less lag? Sure. That's easy when you're not trying to achieve as much. I'm sure CCP could provide a lagless (except for client/network lag - happens more often than many here think) game. Just wouldn't be EVE. I rather play EVE with its problems than any other MMOG I know of (and most of them have their own technical problems anyway - without even offering the potential for big epic battles). |
Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.02.03 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80 Stop whining, fleet lag has existed in Eve almost as long as Eve has existed. Sorry, but you FW'ers aren't special.
Interesting how everyone has an opinion without being informed.
Have you tried a FW battle? I think not, otherwise you might have noticed that there is a discrepancy between 0.0 battles and FW battles, with the former being a lot smoother than the latter with the same fleet sizes. And this is something that has only recently become a problem. This isn't about being special, but being equitable.
There is a phrase Abraham Lincoln used which I think is particularly salient: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. |
Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.03 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: NutsAllmighty And NO, NONE OF U CLOWNS CAN HAZ MY STUFF!!
That's because you have that suspicion that you'll come back eventually. And right you are. :-)
Please go and check out the competition. See you in a few months. ;-)
You might call this arrogance. I call it experience. Of the people I was in contact with and really got into EVE for some months and left - most came back later. Story is always the same. Had fun (or not) playing another game (or plural) for a while. Started to miss EVE.
Go and level up on random server 1234, do the instances in the pseudo MMOG where you're alone with your 1-40 buddies outside the city. Have fun with the end game raids/modules/whatever. (I'm *not* just talking about WOW - most share the same limitations) --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back! Laptop, NVidia7900GS, Ubuntu 8.04, WINE |
Col Callahan
Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.03 11:41:00 -
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Your stuff, my hanger, its a date
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ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.02.03 11:42:00 -
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FW will benefit from wormholes especially direct links to 00 i see them going thro in small ratting gruops, no more gate camps should make things interesting
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MobyMule
Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.03 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains2 FW will benefit from wormholes especially direct links to 00 i see them going thro in small ratting gruops, no more gate camps should make things interesting
We shall see. It will be interesting to see the effects of it.
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