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Resdayn	Posted - 2004.08.02 09:05:00 - [1] Why not release more basic frgs, cruisers and bs instead of all these "elite classes" dont take me wrong i love the new ship classes and elite classes....but i want more basic frigs around 10 frigs per race...6 cruisers....4 bs...i want more diversity Mariah Lawsara: do you ever get laid or do you have to rely on Gallente hookers to help you? Resdayn: I have never engulfed myself in the heretics of gallantean foundation of economy...
Resdayn	Posted - 2004.08.02 09:05:00 - [2] Why not release more basic frgs, cruisers and bs instead of all these "elite classes" dont take me wrong i love the new ship classes and elite classes....but i want more basic frigs around 10 frigs per race...6 cruisers....4 bs...i want more diversity Mariah Lawsara: do you ever get laid or do you have to rely on Gallente hookers to help you? Resdayn: I have never engulfed myself in the heretics of gallantean foundation of economy...
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FuPhal	Posted - 2004.08.02 10:06:00 - [5] Yeah, it would be nice but what ud end up with is 10 frigates that just look different :/ but underneath will be the same ship. Theres only so many different models that u can come up with then ure limited to x ammounts of each slots and powergrid/cpu
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.08.02 10:06:00 - [6] Yeah, it would be nice but what ud end up with is 10 frigates that just look different :/ but underneath will be the same ship. Theres only so many different models that u can come up with then ure limited to x ammounts of each slots and powergrid/cpu
Resdayn	Posted - 2004.08.02 10:11:00 - [7] all frigs could be different...one could stand out as a great miner, another could be a fast recon, another a blockade breaker and so on Mariah Lawsara: do you ever get laid or do you have to rely on Gallente hookers to help you? Resdayn: I have never engulfed myself in the heretics of gallantean foundation of economy...
Resdayn	Posted - 2004.08.02 10:11:00 - [8] all frigs could be different...one could stand out as a great miner, another could be a fast recon, another a blockade breaker and so on Mariah Lawsara: do you ever get laid or do you have to rely on Gallente hookers to help you? Resdayn: I have never engulfed myself in the heretics of gallantean foundation of economy...
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.08.02 10:13:00 - [9] There are really only so many options for making ships diverse and viable, just look at how many frigs and cruisers are hardly ever used already. If you gave each race more options, then you would only end up losing the distinction between races. Why would I bother training Caldari if somebody designed a Maller with 5 launchers ? The new elite ships will add diversity by being specialised, designed with a specific purpose in mind. Why should anybody be able to fly such a ship with out putting some leet training in ? The elite ships are great for the development of this game. Some people will specialise skills for interceptors, others for destroyers, whilst some will hold out for the uberleet battleships. This is the kind of diversity the game needs, not everybody with 3 mil skill points jumping in a raven.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.08.02 10:13:00 - [10] There are really only so many options for making ships diverse and viable, just look at how many frigs and cruisers are hardly ever used already. If you gave each race more options, then you would only end up losing the distinction between races. Why would I bother training Caldari if somebody designed a Maller with 5 launchers ? The new elite ships will add diversity by being specialised, designed with a specific purpose in mind. Why should anybody be able to fly such a ship with out putting some leet training in ? The elite ships are great for the development of this game. Some people will specialise skills for interceptors, others for destroyers, whilst some will hold out for the uberleet battleships. This is the kind of diversity the game needs, not everybody with 3 mil skill points jumping in a raven.
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.08.02 11:03:00 - [11] I think fixing the current ships and making some of them more available would be alot more useful
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.08.02 11:03:00 - [12] I think fixing the current ships and making some of them more available would be alot more useful
Resdayn	Posted - 2004.08.02 11:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Toran Mehtar There are really only so many options for making ships diverse and viable, just look at how many frigs and cruisers are hardly ever used already. If you gave each race more options, then you would only end up losing the distinction between races. Why would I bother training Caldari if somebody designed a Maller with 5 launchers ? The new elite ships will add diversity by being specialised, designed with a specific purpose in mind. Why should anybody be able to fly such a ship with out putting some leet training in ? The elite ships are great for the development of this game. Some people will specialise skills for interceptors, others for destroyers, whilst some will hold out for the uberleet battleships. This is the kind of diversity the game needs, not everybody with 3 mil skill points jumping in a raven. I think u have missed the point brother...have i ever tried to jump thru amarr in the rush hours? yea thats right the apocs and armags are everywhere....what i want is a little diversity...and why would an amarrian go so low as to use missiles? there is lots of attributes to mixture with Mariah Lawsara: do you ever get laid or do you have to rely on Gallente hookers to help you? Resdayn: I have never engulfed myself in the heretics of gallantean foundation of economy...
Resdayn	Posted - 2004.08.02 11:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Toran Mehtar There are really only so many options for making ships diverse and viable, just look at how many frigs and cruisers are hardly ever used already. If you gave each race more options, then you would only end up losing the distinction between races. Why would I bother training Caldari if somebody designed a Maller with 5 launchers ? The new elite ships will add diversity by being specialised, designed with a specific purpose in mind. Why should anybody be able to fly such a ship with out putting some leet training in ? The elite ships are great for the development of this game. Some people will specialise skills for interceptors, others for destroyers, whilst some will hold out for the uberleet battleships. This is the kind of diversity the game needs, not everybody with 3 mil skill points jumping in a raven. I think u have missed the point brother...have i ever tried to jump thru amarr in the rush hours? yea thats right the apocs and armags are everywhere....what i want is a little diversity...and why would an amarrian go so low as to use missiles? there is lots of attributes to mixture with Mariah Lawsara: do you ever get laid or do you have to rely on Gallente hookers to help you? Resdayn: I have never engulfed myself in the heretics of gallantean foundation of economy...
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.08.02 11:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Resdayn Originally by: Toran Mehtar There are really only so many options for making ships diverse and viable, just look at how many frigs and cruisers are hardly ever used already. If you gave each race more options, then you would only end up losing the distinction between races. Why would I bother training Caldari if somebody designed a Maller with 5 launchers ? The new elite ships will add diversity by being specialised, designed with a specific purpose in mind. Why should anybody be able to fly such a ship with out putting some leet training in ? The elite ships are great for the development of this game. Some people will specialise skills for interceptors, others for destroyers, whilst some will hold out for the uberleet battleships. This is the kind of diversity the game needs, not everybody with 3 mil skill points jumping in a raven. I think u have missed the point brother...have i ever tried to jump thru amarr in the rush hours? yea thats right the apocs and armags are everywhere....what i want is a little diversity...and why would an amarrian go so low as to use missiles? there is lots of attributes to mixture with I think you've missed the point. While you were looking at all the geddons and apocs, did you see an augoror ? How about any executioners or inquisitors, an arbitrator maybe ? I'd be impressed if you even saw more than the odd maller. If it's so easy to make many more ships because 'there is lots of attributes to mixture with', then why is everybody flying the same two ? What would a new amarr battleship be like ? More drones to become a gallente ship ? More mid-slots to unbalance it ? Faster and junk like so we can mistake it for a 'phoon ? We know you don't like missiles, so that's not an option. Hey, we could give it more turrets, the apoc has only got eight after all.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.08.02 11:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Resdayn Originally by: Toran Mehtar There are really only so many options for making ships diverse and viable, just look at how many frigs and cruisers are hardly ever used already. If you gave each race more options, then you would only end up losing the distinction between races. Why would I bother training Caldari if somebody designed a Maller with 5 launchers ? The new elite ships will add diversity by being specialised, designed with a specific purpose in mind. Why should anybody be able to fly such a ship with out putting some leet training in ? The elite ships are great for the development of this game. Some people will specialise skills for interceptors, others for destroyers, whilst some will hold out for the uberleet battleships. This is the kind of diversity the game needs, not everybody with 3 mil skill points jumping in a raven. I think u have missed the point brother...have i ever tried to jump thru amarr in the rush hours? yea thats right the apocs and armags are everywhere....what i want is a little diversity...and why would an amarrian go so low as to use missiles? there is lots of attributes to mixture with I think you've missed the point. While you were looking at all the geddons and apocs, did you see an augoror ? How about any executioners or inquisitors, an arbitrator maybe ? I'd be impressed if you even saw more than the odd maller. If it's so easy to make many more ships because 'there is lots of attributes to mixture with', then why is everybody flying the same two ? What would a new amarr battleship be like ? More drones to become a gallente ship ? More mid-slots to unbalance it ? Faster and junk like so we can mistake it for a 'phoon ? We know you don't like missiles, so that's not an option. Hey, we could give it more turrets, the apoc has only got eight after all.
Aloysius Knight	Posted - 2004.08.02 11:14:00 - [17] i fly a arbitrator......AND DAMN HAPPY WITH IT!!!!!
Aloysius Knight	Posted - 2004.08.02 11:14:00 - [18] i fly a arbitrator......AND DAMN HAPPY WITH IT!!!!!
StellarSheep	Posted - 2004.08.02 12:35:00 - [19] IMHO we need tech2 ships. I mean not ELITE ships but for example rifter t2 with better armor/cpu/pg dunno what should be better but it would be nice to see t2 thorax with better dronebay or ... Before someone tell me that we have already t2 ships called elite and we dont need more, i say no. We need them. Elite ships will be still elite. But it`s really funny that i must pay for ceptor like a cruiser. Where r all t2 components? T2 turrets, etc ? If ccp dont want implement new ships, make better economy! For god sake it`s ridiculus that i must pay 12m for crow ... Plz ccp change it. Sorry about my poor english. ________________________________________________ StellarSheep Fury Corporation member
StellarSheep	Posted - 2004.08.02 12:35:00 - [20] IMHO we need tech2 ships. I mean not ELITE ships but for example rifter t2 with better armor/cpu/pg dunno what should be better but it would be nice to see t2 thorax with better dronebay or ... Before someone tell me that we have already t2 ships called elite and we dont need more, i say no. We need them. Elite ships will be still elite. But it`s really funny that i must pay for ceptor like a cruiser. Where r all t2 components? T2 turrets, etc ? If ccp dont want implement new ships, make better economy! For god sake it`s ridiculus that i must pay 12m for crow ... Plz ccp change it. Sorry about my poor english. ________________________________________________ StellarSheep Fury Corporation member
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.08.02 13:12:00 - [21] Dont really need a Thorax with a bigger drone bay :/ a Thorax with a bigger drone bay already exists, its called a Megathron :p
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.08.02 13:12:00 - [22] Dont really need a Thorax with a bigger drone bay :/ a Thorax with a bigger drone bay already exists, its called a Megathron :p
Verbal Kint	Posted - 2004.08.02 13:31:00 - [23] Question is if it's new typed of old classes we would like/need, or is it new hybrid class of ships that would be interesting... The new special Frigs and later Cruisers are kinde special classes, but what i would like to see is 'ordinary' hybrids. A blockade running hauler type ship, A Fleet support ship, etc... should give you some ideas of what i would like to see. But aye we have a tendency to use a very narrow line of ships out there so most of them would probably never fly. Although i fly both Punisher and Arbitrator regularly and love 'em. My dime's worth V.K. Verbal Kint - Grumpy ol' c0ot.
Verbal Kint	Posted - 2004.08.02 13:31:00 - [24] Question is if it's new typed of old classes we would like/need, or is it new hybrid class of ships that would be interesting... The new special Frigs and later Cruisers are kinde special classes, but what i would like to see is 'ordinary' hybrids. A blockade running hauler type ship, A Fleet support ship, etc... should give you some ideas of what i would like to see. But aye we have a tendency to use a very narrow line of ships out there so most of them would probably never fly. Although i fly both Punisher and Arbitrator regularly and love 'em. My dime's worth V.K. Verbal Kint - Grumpy ol' c0ot.
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.08.02 14:08:00 - [25] Edited by: FuPhal on 02/08/2004 14:19:27 Originally by: Verbal Kint A blockade running hauler type ship, A Fleet support ship, etc... should give you some ideas of what i would like to see. V.K. Originally by: Verbal Kint A blockade running hauler type ship, A Fleet support ship, etc... should give you some ideas of what i would like to see. V.K. The whole point in Indi ships is that they can carry alot but are very vulnerable. Its like saying id like a cruiser with Battleship sized shields or a Battleship with frigate tracking :/ ships are built the way they are for a reason. The only space we have for new ships is for new jobs. For the rest of the things we do, they simply need to fix the existing ship classes. Not every race should be able to do everything.
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.08.02 14:08:00 - [26] Edited by: FuPhal on 02/08/2004 14:19:27 Originally by: Verbal Kint A blockade running hauler type ship, A Fleet support ship, etc... should give you some ideas of what i would like to see. V.K. Originally by: Verbal Kint A blockade running hauler type ship, A Fleet support ship, etc... should give you some ideas of what i would like to see. V.K. The whole point in Indi ships is that they can carry alot but are very vulnerable. Its like saying id like a cruiser with Battleship sized shields or a Battleship with frigate tracking :/ ships are built the way they are for a reason. The only space we have for new ships is for new jobs. For the rest of the things we do, they simply need to fix the existing ship classes. Not every race should be able to do everything.
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.08.02 15:32:00 - [27] Ok..some one explain what he is getting at... Battle Cruisers and Destroyers are BOTH Tech 1 ships... Brand New Classes..that will not be limited by T2 Comps..or the two LUCKY people who get the BPO... Elite right now is Ceptors/Covert/Unique (G-Vexor, etc.) So, basically? he just wants more variation? in the Tech 1 Ships? if so they are coming...with Shiva...
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.08.02 15:32:00 - [28] Ok..some one explain what he is getting at... Battle Cruisers and Destroyers are BOTH Tech 1 ships... Brand New Classes..that will not be limited by T2 Comps..or the two LUCKY people who get the BPO... Elite right now is Ceptors/Covert/Unique (G-Vexor, etc.) So, basically? he just wants more variation? in the Tech 1 Ships? if so they are coming...with Shiva...
Cruz	Posted - 2004.08.02 15:42:00 - [29] Edited by: Cruz on 02/08/2004 15:46:40 Did any of you guys even read the last CSM, very soon, this month, CCP is introducing Support Cruisers(Tech II cruisers, ie tech II blackbird and such), and they are introducing Escort Frigates(Tech II frigates, ie tech II rifter/punisher/merlin/tristan) although it might actually be an incursus instad of a tristan. .................
Cruz	Posted - 2004.08.02 15:42:00 - [30] Edited by: Cruz on 02/08/2004 15:46:40 Did any of you guys even read the last CSM, very soon, this month, CCP is introducing Support Cruisers(Tech II cruisers, ie tech II blackbird and such), and they are introducing Escort Frigates(Tech II frigates, ie tech II rifter/punisher/merlin/tristan) although it might actually be an incursus instad of a tristan. .................

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