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Phasics
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Posted - 2004.08.02 09:52:00 -
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hearing alot of "man NPC's are so much harder I can't do enough dmg to kill them"
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"I cant hit the frigs if I bring enough big guns to deal with the rat BS"
Why do u people assume that one BS should be able to clean up aginst a spawn of 1 BS 2 crusiers and 4 friagtes ?
surely the best your could hope for is to win a 1v1 vs another battleship.
A rat spawn with multiple ships should always have the edge over a single battleship.
thus you should all be rat hunting in groups and taking a interceptor buddy to clear the frigs while u nail the BS.
Is that not logical ?
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Phasics
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Posted - 2004.08.02 09:52:00 -
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hearing alot of "man NPC's are so much harder I can't do enough dmg to kill them"
or
"I cant hit the frigs if I bring enough big guns to deal with the rat BS"
Why do u people assume that one BS should be able to clean up aginst a spawn of 1 BS 2 crusiers and 4 friagtes ?
surely the best your could hope for is to win a 1v1 vs another battleship.
A rat spawn with multiple ships should always have the edge over a single battleship.
thus you should all be rat hunting in groups and taking a interceptor buddy to clear the frigs while u nail the BS.
Is that not logical ?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.08.02 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 02/08/2004 09:56:04
Lol, maybe because one BS can easily kill a 3 BS, 6 cruiser and 4 inty spawn ? Dont care to count how many of those I've killed solo in my megathron..
Are they supposed to be able to ? Fux knows.
Will there be a new and harder challenge out there soon ? Yes, complexes should be the solo hunters' bane with their no-warp fields.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.08.02 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 02/08/2004 09:56:04
Lol, maybe because one BS can easily kill a 3 BS, 6 cruiser and 4 inty spawn ? Dont care to count how many of those I've killed solo in my megathron..
Are they supposed to be able to ? Fux knows.
Will there be a new and harder challenge out there soon ? Yes, complexes should be the solo hunters' bane with their no-warp fields.
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Speknek
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Posted - 2004.08.02 09:58:00 -
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Maybe because not everyone wants to hunt in groups, and there are no solo bs spawns 
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Speknek
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Posted - 2004.08.02 09:58:00 -
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Maybe because not everyone wants to hunt in groups, and there are no solo bs spawns
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:00:00 -
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There balancing toward the principle of fleet NPC'ing where u will need balanced fleets or lots of frigs/Cruisers to take out the same.
When heavy drones have ill effect on smaller ships will see.
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:00:00 -
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There balancing toward the principle of fleet NPC'ing where u will need balanced fleets or lots of frigs/Cruisers to take out the same.
When heavy drones have ill effect on smaller ships will see.
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:02:00 -
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Cruise missiles and MWD are spiffeh 
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:02:00 -
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Cruise missiles and MWD are spiffeh
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Phoenus
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:02:00 -
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A rat spawn with multiple ships DO have an advantage over a solo BS, if they don't know what they are doing.
If you do, sure it's not too hard to nuke those 2-3 NPC BS, that 6 Cruiser and 4 Inty Spawn, not hard at all on your own.
Not everybody can get a 4-5 strong gang out in 0.0, especially if you aren't based out there normally, and go out there to earn decent ISK.
Frigs? You use your drones on them
Cruisers? Take them out before they get close
BS? Tank them and gnaw your way through their tanking
Not too hard if you have common sense 
Phoenus
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Phoenus
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:02:00 -
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A rat spawn with multiple ships DO have an advantage over a solo BS, if they don't know what they are doing.
If you do, sure it's not too hard to nuke those 2-3 NPC BS, that 6 Cruiser and 4 Inty Spawn, not hard at all on your own.
Not everybody can get a 4-5 strong gang out in 0.0, especially if you aren't based out there normally, and go out there to earn decent ISK.
Frigs? You use your drones on them
Cruisers? Take them out before they get close
BS? Tank them and gnaw your way through their tanking
Not too hard if you have common sense
Phoenus
Enlightened Incorporated |
Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 02/08/2004 10:12:52
 Originally by: Gungankllr
Cruise missiles and MWD are spiffeh
True as hell.
But neither is needed for this.
Really, there's like 101 setups for every BS that allow you to solo a BS spawn. And even when drones have been nerfed we will still be able to get past them inty's solo.
I use neither drones, cruise missiles nor smartbombs atm, and still it's too damn easy.
For example: deal with the friggies from 120km range with your large guns. Ignore teh cruisers or kill form there as well. Then warp in closer to about 60km and waste the BS's with your heavy ammo.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 02/08/2004 10:12:52
Originally by: Gungankllr
Cruise missiles and MWD are spiffeh
True as hell.
But neither is needed for this.
Really, there's like 101 setups for every BS that allow you to solo a BS spawn. And even when drones have been nerfed we will still be able to get past them inty's solo.
I use neither drones, cruise missiles nor smartbombs atm, and still it's too damn easy.
For example: deal with the friggies from 120km range with your large guns. Ignore teh cruisers or kill form there as well. Then warp in closer to about 60km and waste the BS's with your heavy ammo.
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Phasics
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:12:00 -
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There comes up that interesting argument again
"Not everyone can get a group of 4-5 together to hunt"
Then not everyone should be out in 0.0 taking on a fleet of NPC with one BS.
As long as the bounties were ajusted accodingly (to compenasate for the added difficulty) I'd love to see it take a full mixed group of player to take on similar sized NPC spawns
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Phasics
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:12:00 -
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There comes up that interesting argument again
"Not everyone can get a group of 4-5 together to hunt"
Then not everyone should be out in 0.0 taking on a fleet of NPC with one BS.
As long as the bounties were ajusted accodingly (to compenasate for the added difficulty) I'd love to see it take a full mixed group of player to take on similar sized NPC spawns
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Phasics
As long as the bounties were ajusted accodingly (to compenasate for the added difficulty) I'd love to see it take a full mixed group of player to take on similar sized NPC spawns
= complexes
Added difficulty:
more NPC's, no warping out, no warping inside the complex.
Added reward:
I seriously hope for more of that uber loot and named tech2
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Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Phasics
As long as the bounties were ajusted accodingly (to compenasate for the added difficulty) I'd love to see it take a full mixed group of player to take on similar sized NPC spawns
= complexes
Added difficulty:
more NPC's, no warping out, no warping inside the complex.
Added reward:
I seriously hope for more of that uber loot and named tech2
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Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Phasics
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:17:00 -
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well I'm hesitant to what shiva is promising
could be great from the sound of it, thoes gauntlets def have my vote, but whether or not they work as they should......
I guess we'll find out
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Phasics
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:17:00 -
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well I'm hesitant to what shiva is promising
could be great from the sound of it, thoes gauntlets def have my vote, but whether or not they work as they should......
I guess we'll find out
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Phasics
"Not everyone can get a group of 4-5 together to hunt"
Then not everyone should be out in 0.0 taking on a fleet of NPC with one BS.
As long as the bounties were ajusted accodingly (to compenasate for the added difficulty) I'd love to see it take a full mixed group of player to take on similar sized NPC spawns
Problem comes when it's seen by the players as enforced grouping. Plenty of MMORPG players play solo for one reason or another and as soon as you make that effectively unviable you lose a lot of people.
And there a large number of very good reasons for soloing. I knew a few people who have kids and the demands they make on their time means they feel they can't commit to grouping because they can't predict when they'll have to go afk. That's just one, there's plenty more.
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Phasics
"Not everyone can get a group of 4-5 together to hunt"
Then not everyone should be out in 0.0 taking on a fleet of NPC with one BS.
As long as the bounties were ajusted accodingly (to compenasate for the added difficulty) I'd love to see it take a full mixed group of player to take on similar sized NPC spawns
Problem comes when it's seen by the players as enforced grouping. Plenty of MMORPG players play solo for one reason or another and as soon as you make that effectively unviable you lose a lot of people.
And there a large number of very good reasons for soloing. I knew a few people who have kids and the demands they make on their time means they feel they can't commit to grouping because they can't predict when they'll have to go afk. That's just one, there's plenty more.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:25:00 -
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For me soloing BS is just passing the time when I'm not for example somewhere waiting for that battle to start, or waiting for the gang to get on, or being camped with the inty alt in a station.
You get my drift. Needing a group to do anything decent would kill that option nicely.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:25:00 -
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For me soloing BS is just passing the time when I'm not for example somewhere waiting for that battle to start, or waiting for the gang to get on, or being camped with the inty alt in a station.
You get my drift. Needing a group to do anything decent would kill that option nicely.
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Crimson Smith
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Phasics
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Why do u people assume that one BS should be able to clean up aginst a spawn of 1 BS 2 crusiers and 4 friagtes ?
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Well, because I can, and I am certainly not leet.
The only time that I have to call for help is either at an Elder guardian BS spawn (tends to be 1 Elder BS, 2 standard NPC BS's and several intys) which take a lot of killing, or at a mineral convoy spawn where the haulers have to all be hit fast before they warp to safety.
Originally by: Phasics
thus you should all be rat hunting in groups and taking a interceptor buddy to clear the frigs while u nail the BS.
Is that not logical ?
nope, because it ain't true.
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Crimson Smith
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Phasics
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Why do u people assume that one BS should be able to clean up aginst a spawn of 1 BS 2 crusiers and 4 friagtes ?
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Well, because I can, and I am certainly not leet.
The only time that I have to call for help is either at an Elder guardian BS spawn (tends to be 1 Elder BS, 2 standard NPC BS's and several intys) which take a lot of killing, or at a mineral convoy spawn where the haulers have to all be hit fast before they warp to safety.
Originally by: Phasics
thus you should all be rat hunting in groups and taking a interceptor buddy to clear the frigs while u nail the BS.
Is that not logical ?
nope, because it ain't true.
Gin is my co-pilot. |
hatchette
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:41:00 -
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Quote:
thus you should all be rat hunting in groups and taking a interceptor buddy to clear the frigs while u nail the BS.
Not everyone has friends, you insensitive clod.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:41:00 -
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Quote:
thus you should all be rat hunting in groups and taking a interceptor buddy to clear the frigs while u nail the BS.
Not everyone has friends, you insensitive clod.
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Phasics
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Posted - 2004.08.02 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Crimson Smith
Originally by: Phasics
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Why do u people assume that one BS should be able to clean up aginst a spawn of 1 BS 2 crusiers and 4 friagtes ?
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Well, because I can, and I am certainly not leet.
The only time that I have to call for help is either at an Elder guardian BS spawn (tends to be 1 Elder BS, 2 standard NPC BS's and several intys) which take a lot of killing, or at a mineral convoy spawn where the haulers have to all be hit fast before they warp to safety.
Thats what I'm talking about to take on the 'bigger' more rewarding spawns u should need a group of people. I just think that it could be extended somewhat
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Phasics
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Posted - 2004.08.02 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Crimson Smith
Originally by: Phasics
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Why do u people assume that one BS should be able to clean up aginst a spawn of 1 BS 2 crusiers and 4 friagtes ?
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Well, because I can, and I am certainly not leet.
The only time that I have to call for help is either at an Elder guardian BS spawn (tends to be 1 Elder BS, 2 standard NPC BS's and several intys) which take a lot of killing, or at a mineral convoy spawn where the haulers have to all be hit fast before they warp to safety.
Thats what I'm talking about to take on the 'bigger' more rewarding spawns u should need a group of people. I just think that it could be extended somewhat
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