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Grummen Ildar
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Posted - 2009.02.03 02:27:00 -
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This has probably been posted before and will probably be posted again, but here goes. It seems that ninja salvaging is on the rise and not to declare it a criminal activity is criminal in itself. At the very least, in my opinion, it should flag the person ninja salvaging as an aggressor so I could at least open fire with impunity. If not that, then the wreck should have a 1 hour countdown (or some appropriate time) where only the corporation or someone with a 10 standing with the owner of the wreck can salvage. After the countdown is up, allow anyone to salvage without issue. If this were a rare occasion then I would chalk it up to someone being a jerk and not worry about it, but there is at least one corp that seems to be dedicated to it and it has happened to me and several of my corp mates (some of whom are 20+ jumps away) in the last few days alone. If someone tips a miner's can then at least the miner or the miner's corp could attack the individual. It would be helpful if CCP would change their stance on the salvage ownership rules.
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Ghankis Khanid
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Posted - 2009.02.03 02:38:00 -
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Hi guys what new and exciting topic is being discussed in this thread?
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Buoytender Bob
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Posted - 2009.02.03 02:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Grummen Ildar
This has probably been posted before and will probably be posted again
...and again and again and again.
This issue has been discussed ad nauseum and to death. Things will change the same time they make my Domi a speed tank.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.02.03 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Buoytender Bob
Originally by: Grummen Ildar
This has probably been posted before and will probably be posted again
...and again and again and again.
This issue has been discussed ad nauseum and to death. Things will change the same time they make my Domi a speed tank.
and they keep saying no!
it would probably be more profitable to just have the ninja join your gang and loot/salvage as you mission and then split the salvage/loot. for you and the ninja. |
ShR3DeR
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Posted - 2009.02.03 03:08:00 -
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Blow up the wrecks, or salvage them faster. Remember Large wrecks 1st 
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Gin G
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.03 03:31:00 -
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TIP
shut up and suck it up
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mcnuggetlol
Amarr
Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.03 08:59:00 -
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FALCONS! |
Delclara Nancekuke
Gallente
Frisky Space Vixens
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Posted - 2009.02.03 08:59:00 -
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Great another whine about wreck ownership.
Have you nothing better to discuss? The up and coming release for eve, Obama as president, how many chips in your cookie
Y'know, something interesting that hasn't been flogged to death already by a thousand other folks |
ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.02.03 09:41:00 -
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wspace will drag some of them away
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.03 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Grummen Ildar
This has probably been posted before and will probably be posted again, but here goes. It seems that ninja salvaging is on the rise and not to declare it a criminal activity is criminal in itself.
No, because this is how the game mechanic is designed to function and CCP have said time and time again in countless threads that this will NOT be changed.
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Dax Ee'nnach
Caldari
KAGES LAST CHANCERS
Black Mesa Project
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Posted - 2009.02.03 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ghankis Khanid
Hi guys what new and exciting topic is being discussed in this thread?
Falcons |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.03 16:13:00 -
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Nerf Falcons |
Dax Ee'nnach
Caldari
KAGES LAST CHANCERS
Black Mesa Project
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Posted - 2009.02.03 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Dax Ee''nnach on 03/02/2009 17:47:09
Originally by: Grummen Ildar
Stuff *whine*
Put a probe launcher, a couple of salvagers in hi, MWD ... stuff, in mids and cargo exp in lows on a Falcon and go ninja salvage. Then people can complain in the forums about ninja salvagers AND falcons in one thread! 
better yet, steal some loot in the mission, get aggro while rats are around and then jam them from 150Km for the rats! Instant forum tears!
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maccain
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Posted - 2009.02.03 18:19:00 -
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I completely agree Im sick of having to steal rubbish to get someone to agro so i can kill them. I think just salvaging causing me to be flagged would save me time and maybe even more people will shoot at me.
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Forlani Tristania
Gallente
Feral Tendency
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Posted - 2009.02.03 18:23:00 -
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NERF SALVAGERS!
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Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.03 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Grummen Ildar
criminal activity is criminal
over 9000th thread on this topic is over 9000th thread!
I'm so sorry for my horrible abuse of memes. |
Wahjoo
Minmatar
Ghoulish Endeavors
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Posted - 2009.02.03 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Grummen Ildar
If this were a rare occasion then I would chalk it up to someone being a jerk and not worry about it, but there is at least one corp that seems to be dedicated to it and it has happened to me and several of my corp mates (some of whom are 20+ jumps away) in the last few days alone.
Wardec them then.
"We were once so close to heaven; Peter came out and gave us medals, declaring us the nicest of the damned." |
Viceroy Cole
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.03 20:57:00 -
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There's only 2 sticky's in this forum and one of them blatantly talks about this subject.
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Joanna RB
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Posted - 2009.02.03 21:08:00 -
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just admit they exist, and fit 1-2 salvagers in your regular pve ship in lieu of a coupla missile launchers, ok you lose DPS, but if you are that attached to your wrecks..... |
Dax Ee'nnach
Caldari
KAGES LAST CHANCERS
Black Mesa Project
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Posted - 2009.02.03 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Joanna RB
just admit they exist, and fit 1-2 salvagers in your regular pve ship in lieu of a coupla missile launchers, ok you lose DPS, but if you are that attached to your wrecks.....
Not like you need all that DPS in the mission ... or all that tank. |
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Ryanson
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Posted - 2009.02.03 21:51:00 -
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hmm very cool |
Terminus Vindictus
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Posted - 2009.02.03 21:57:00 -
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You get what you deserve for missioning in a busy mission hub. Oh, and this thread has nothing to do with missions. Take your post to the Suggestions forum instead. |
Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.02.03 23:38:00 -
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since its unlikely they are going to change some ninja salvaging. Here are some suggestions:
1)Dont mission is busy hubs ( or take missions that go to busy systems) or during peak time.
2) when you do get a ninja, set them( personally or as a corp) to orange. then remember orange = not good idea to run a mission in a system with that person in it.
3) you could run salvagers on your mission ship but i dont recommend it.
4) on multi room missions( GE and AE for example) do 1-2 rooms and salvage.
5) pop wrecks when ninjas come in. since they have to go to each wreck( within 5km) if you keep popping them before they get to them they will likely get tired of it and find easier prey.NOTE: in multi rooms set your directional scanner to about 500,000 km - most accel gates are 10k km apart or so. spam the scanner every 1-2 min( if your paranoid) if any ship not in your fleet pops up on scanner, especially t1 frigs, warp out warp back in to the first room and start popping wrecks.
6) use the mission briefing before you accept the mission to determine your mission location. place your salvage ship in that system.
7) run with a buddy 1 kill 1 salvage behind.
8)accept your going to have some losses sometimes to ninjas. if your salvage is valuable to you then make yourself a hard target and general waste of time for ninjas
Some donts:
1) dont talk smack to ninjas, complain to their ceos,etc. more then likely your going to single yourself out as someone to harass. its best not to say anything at all.
2) just because you can shoot a ninja dont mean its a good idea.if one flips your wreck let them flip. more than likely they are trying to get you agress them so they can shoot you. they will warp out warp back in a pvp ship and smoke you while rats are on you. if they are flipping your wrecks chances are they have alot better ship then your in sitting nearby. |
Verlai
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Posted - 2009.02.04 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
5) pop wrecks when ninjas come in. since they have to go to each wreck( within 5km) if you keep popping them before they get to them they will likely get tired of it and find easier prey.
I don't think you understand all the reasons we do this.
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Grummen Ildar
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Posted - 2009.02.04 04:47:00 -
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Thank-you Thorian, I will try some of your advice. I received the basic response types that I expected from a topic that has probably been rehashed many times. But, since it has been brought up so much then I feel something should be done about it as it is obviously an issue. I shouldn't have to refrain from mission running during peak times, or use lower quality agents because EVE is the only successful MMO that I have played that has a loot system with a hole in it big enough to fly a battleship through. I was trying to get the attention of the developers as EVE lacks an in game feedback system and a GM suggested posting in the forums as they are commonly read by them. That said, I missed the suggestion forum, so I am sorry for the miss-post and will paste my original into the correct forum. Thank-you.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.04 04:51:00 -
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Salvaging is a profession. Missionrunning is a profession.
The mods inside a wreck are considered yours as a reward for running missions.
Wrecks themselves are a BYPRODUCT of missionrunning, which can then be used by those in the salvaging profession.
Salvage isn't extra loot. Salvaging is a separate profession and, like any profession in EVE (other than missionrunning), it's competitive; if you can't get to the wrecks before someone else can, then you lose out.
Originally by: Catharacta
My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Lady Aja
Caldari
Hannibals Pirates
Damnation of Souls
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Posted - 2009.02.04 08:05:00 -
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I would consider it on one condition...
that any ships i destroy.. ( even inyoure missions ) are mine to do as i please with...
I already know for a fact that if i shoot ships in youre mission... they are still youre wrecks. ( salvage not included )
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rubico1337
Caldari
nefarious badgers inc
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Posted - 2009.02.04 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja
I would consider it on one condition...
that any ships i destroy.. ( even inyoure missions ) are mine to do as i please with...
I already know for a fact that if i shoot ships in youre mission... they are still youre wrecks. ( salvage not included )
iseewhatyoudidthere aja ;)
Originally by: Blind Man
okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES and use your heavy nos cause it drain their cap then u click the jhammer and dampenener |
BrianTheFist
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Posted - 2009.02.04 12:10:00 -
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Nerf,nerf..that a complete sentence?I dont want to get flamed by the last of the know-it-alls... |
Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.04 16:58:00 -
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I have a slightly different answer to the "problem". My main is running a lot of missions for standings right now, and I don't want to salvage all of them. So I give away the salvage rights (i.e. the bookmarks) to some missions. Usually I do this for my last mission of the day; I'll just announce in local that I have "mission x" bookmarks if someone wants to salvage and loot the wrecks. I trade the bookmarks (I don't ask anything in return) and leave system.
The exact mission I give away will vary. Some are moderately crappy (Downing the Slavers 2 of 2), but I did give away the salvage and loot on AE lvl 3 once recently. Okay, I'd been farming it for days, but still that's a lot of salvage and loot for someone not yet able to run lvl 3 missions.
I always get a thank you, the local ninja salvagers seem to leave me alone a bit more than most, and when they do pop up, well, salvaging is a profession too, and I probably wasn't going to bother with that mission anyway.
This is not to say that I haven't popped someone who stole from a wreck without asking me first. I'm not that nice a person. |
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Kaltar Bok
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Posted - 2009.02.06 06:29:00 -
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Wow this really is a topic that needs to be put to bed. The `ninja salvagers` used to really annoy me but you can beat them at their own game if you want to, and if then just ignore em. Just don`t shoot at the flashy red ones, you`ll be sitting in a pod before long.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.06 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mintala Arana
This is not to say that I haven't popped someone who stole from a wreck without asking me first. I'm not that nice a person.
This :)
I spend almost all of my time in 0.0 and the general rule is that whilst nobody "owns" wrecks, it's bad form to salvage a ratter's wrecks and/or take their loot without asking.
Usually I dock, switch ships and come back and clean up my loot and salvage, but sometimes I feel nice and ask in local if anyone wants the stuff when I just can't be bothered or don't have the time for it.
I did come across someone going after one of my wrecks whilst I was still ratting in the belt. I gave him a friendly warning that it was bad form to do so without asking, but if I catch it at him again he is going to be on the receiving end of a Scourge Fury volley :)
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.07 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
I did come across someone going after one of my wrecks whilst I was still ratting in the belt. I gave him a friendly warning that it was bad form to do so without asking, but if I catch it at him again he is going to be on the receiving end of a Scourge Fury volley :)
You, sir, are the nicest denizen of 0.0 I've ever heard of.
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StarTrooper2
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Posted - 2009.02.07 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
since its unlikely they are going to change some ninja salvaging. Here are some suggestions:
1)Dont mission is busy hubs ( or take missions that go to busy systems) or during peak time.
2) when you do get a ninja, set them( personally or as a corp) to orange. then remember orange = not good idea to run a mission in a system with that person in it.
3) you could run salvagers on your mission ship but i dont recommend it.
4) on multi room missions( GE and AE for example) do 1-2 rooms and salvage.
5) pop wrecks when ninjas come in. since they have to go to each wreck( within 5km) if you keep popping them before they get to them they will likely get tired of it and find easier prey.NOTE: in multi rooms set your directional scanner to about 500,000 km - most accel gates are 10k km apart or so. spam the scanner every 1-2 min( if your paranoid) if any ship not in your fleet pops up on scanner, especially t1 frigs, warp out warp back in to the first room and start popping wrecks.
6) use the mission briefing before you accept the mission to determine your mission location. place your salvage ship in that system.
7) run with a buddy 1 kill 1 salvage behind.
8)accept your going to have some losses sometimes to ninjas. if your salvage is valuable to you then make yourself a hard target and general waste of time for ninjas
Some donts:
1) dont talk smack to ninjas, complain to their ceos,etc. more then likely your going to single yourself out as someone to harass. its best not to say anything at all.
2) just because you can shoot a ninja dont mean its a good idea.if one flips your wreck let them flip. more than likely they are trying to get you agress them so they can shoot you. they will warp out warp back in a pvp ship and smoke you while rats are on you. if they are flipping your wrecks chances are they have alot better ship then your in sitting nearby.
real good advice!!!
my personal fav: pop wrecks..........lol
i would add:
you can blitz most mission's.
or pop the trigger and jump out!
[then come back and watch the rats pop him.........lol] |
Ydyp Ieva
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.02.08 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: StarTrooper2
[then come back and watch the rats pop him.........lol]
Well and it gives you even an extra wreck to salvage for your own to. It isn't the first ninja salvager I saw warping in on scan and warping out so he get alphaed 
Also another tip run missions in ships with smaller signature radius. This makes it harder to be scanned out.
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Esk Esme
Caldari
Surge.
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Esk Esme on 08/02/2009 11:53:32
ok
1 av a alt or corp member in a pvp ship on standby
2 av a tanked bs in station were u run missions
ok wen your see said ninja salvager in your mission warp your pimped bs to the spare tanked bs at station.
once in your tanked bs warp back to plex start tanking only.
warp in your alt or corp m8 (pilgram or curse allways good to use) and with alt/corpy start killing the rats leave about 3-5 wrecks then cloak up and wait for ninja salvager to return wen he steel's your wreck he's agrod to your pilgram and thats were fun starts :)
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Valandria Koshun
Caldari
Atum Nocturnem
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Posted - 2009.02.08 16:27:00 -
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i love the ninja salvagers
they show what ive never wanted to be
and there some really stupid idiots among them
like the guy following me into recon 3/3 *muahahahaha*
and more important: they are the only ones who need carebears really hard, because without carebears they got nothing to do |
Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2009.02.10 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dax Ee'nnach
Put a probe launcher, a couple of salvagers in hi, MWD ... stuff, in mids and cargo exp in lows on a Falcon and go ninja salvage. Then people can complain in the forums about ninja salvagers AND falcons in one thread!
This is the most original thing I've seen in a ninja salvage thread in a while. (However, please note that you'll want an afterburner fit because you can't MWD in most missions.)
To the OP: If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. |
Marguerite Antiki
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Posted - 2009.02.10 03:19:00 -
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Itsa profession so just leave the topic die.
I do probing for Radar sites a lot and will flick the scanner to probe for Ships and Drones at the same time. If I get a hit I often end up with the following;
- A radar or deadspace spot to go find / do
- A drone or 5 left over in space to go loot to cargo and then redo my scan again
- A ship in mission somewhere where I will go and swap ships AFTER I have tracked down everything else worthy in the system and then salvage.
It covers my probe cost, time and makes for some good ole salvaging for parts and for ISK. And if something is good in the odd container, grab that too :P
And lastly - CCP said so so there :P
Cheers
M |
TexasRain1
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: TexasRain1 on 10/02/2009 11:59:44
Forget all that other crap..
Are you a mission runner making plenty of ISK running missions?
Are you fed up with mission ninjas?
Do the following..
1) Don't engage "ninjas." That's what they want. You are good at running missions (and making tons of ISK!,) their niche is killing mission runners and taking your stuff/salvage.
2) Note the "ninjas" corp. name that most annoys you.
3) Contact a qualified mercenary corp. to handle your dirty "laundry."
Mercenary corp. kills "ninjas" for fun (and ISK,) and you notice shortly there after that you return to your wrecks and salvage them (hours later,) with no one around.
Mercenary corps do require payment of course and this can vary greatly depending on the corp. you hire or the assignment given. Generally, frozen corpses are provided as proof of kill.
Fight back, while still running your missions.. Smile as you notice the rookie ninjas dry up!
My $.02
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2009.02.11 04:05:00 -
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Ninja salvagers need to eat too. I just ignore them. My time is better spent speed running missions and not fooling around with loot & salvage. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.11 05:08:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 11/02/2009 05:08:16
Can't speak for any other ninjacorps that may have been out there at some point...but we've had weeks under 6+ wardecs at once, several of them obviously mercs hired for the purpose described above
Not sure what hiring mercs is going to do other than waste your money, but meh...I suppose if you have some spare cash lying around |
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