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Visceroth Minmatar The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.03 16:07:00 - [1] How about we make ECCM counter-jam. If a ship that tries to jam you and it fails, you jam that ship instead. That would be funny if when the falcon misses a cycle it gets jammed instead.
Visceroth Minmatar The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.03 16:16:00 - [2] Originally by: Guer Originally by: Visceroth How about we make ECCM counter-jam. If a ship that tries to jam you and it fails, you jam that ship instead. That would be funny if when the falcon misses a cycle it gets jammed instead. funny, but stupid. Why is it stupid? The way I see it now ECM doesn't have too much vulnerability. So you miss a cycle, you are going to be at least 100KM away. On your home turf you could be 200+KM away. I think all ECM should be changed this way tbh. If you miss a cycle you instead get jammed. Call it Sensor feedback that ships emit. Hell call it a drawback for all the positives you get.
Visceroth Minmatar The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.03 16:21:00 - [3] Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 03/02/2009 16:13:21 Originally by: Visceroth How about we make ECCM counter-jam. If a ship that tries to jam you and it fails, you jam that ship instead. That would be funny if when the falcon misses a cycle it gets jammed instead. How about you just fit a eccm on task specific ships jusy like you fit other mods on other task specific ships in your gang and kill or drive off the falcons/ecm ships... I do fit ECCM to my ships. But you also state that you would like ECCM to have a secondary bonus. Well why not this? btw I don't fit other mods to fight off other systems. I don't fit a sensor booster because an arazu is going to be in gang. I fit one to target faster. I don't fit a MWD in case I get bubbled. I use it to close distance quickly. I don't fit Cap Boosters to fight Neuts. I fit them to sustain my tank longer. All the ewar mods I fit on my ship are part of a more grand plan for the ship, Not to counter the different ships I meet. ECM systems are the exception to that. And this is not a rant or a rave. This is not to start up a "nerf falcon" thread. This is a discussion on how ECCM could be different and the positives and negatives of those differences.
Visceroth Minmatar The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.03 16:24:00 - [4] Originally by: Murina Originally by: Visceroth Why is it stupid? So if i miss a shot with my long rangr guns/missiles i should take dmg?. So you are comparing different systems? It's stupid to compare two different systems and how they should work. And my point was the drawback to missing a shot, you lose ammo, and you don't do dmg that cycle.
Visceroth Minmatar The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.03 16:36:00 - [5] Originally by: Murina Originally by: Visceroth Originally by: Murina Originally by: Visceroth Why is it stupid? So if i miss a shot with my long rangr guns/missiles i should take dmg?. So you are comparing different systems? It's stupid to compare two different systems and how they should work. And my point was the drawback to missing a shot, you lose ammo, and you don't do dmg that cycle. And the drawback of missing a jam is you do not jam that cycle and the rof is 20 secs btw not 3 or 4 like on some gunships. Ans do not talk about stupid comparisons in the same breath you mention your all time stupid idea. lol ok I bow down to your infinite wisdom. Drawback for a long range gun: no damage loses ammo slow RoF Drawback for ECM: misses jam cycle 20s RoF(although 20 seconds they still have to relock you which takes a few seconds off that)
Visceroth Minmatar The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.03 16:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Murina Originally by: Visceroth btw I don't fit other mods to fight off other systems. I don't fit a sensor booster because an arazu is going to be in gang. I fit one to target faster. I don't fit a MWD in case I get bubbled. I use it to close distance quickly. I don't fit Cap Boosters to fight Neuts. I fit them to sustain my tank longer. All the ewar mods I fit on my ship are part of a more grand plan for the ship, Not to counter the different ships I meet. Exactly and the fact is that the benefits you get from those modules you fit are negated by the opposing ewar systems, so in fact if you wanted to benefit from your module and protect yourself from the other systems in eve you would need to fit 2 SB's to defend against 1 damp or 2 tc's to defend against 1 td. ugh I give up. Obviously you guys just want to stick to the same tired arguments without even listening to the other side. I clearly state here I do NOT fit ewar mods to defend against other systems yet you just read what you want to. I clearly state that I fit ewar mods to make my mods all work for a singular purpose, Such as getting in close and doing damage. Whatever, as I said before in past posts, ECM or falcons will get nerfed. There's not a whole lot you can do about it just wait for it to happen.
Visceroth Minmatar The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.03 16:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Murina Originally by: Visceroth Originally by: Murina Originally by: Visceroth btw I don't fit other mods to fight off other systems. I don't fit a sensor booster because an arazu is going to be in gang. I fit one to target faster. I don't fit a MWD in case I get bubbled. I use it to close distance quickly. I don't fit Cap Boosters to fight Neuts. I fit them to sustain my tank longer. All the ewar mods I fit on my ship are part of a more grand plan for the ship, Not to counter the different ships I meet. Exactly and the fact is that the benefits you get from those modules you fit are negated by the opposing ewar systems, so in fact if you wanted to benefit from your module and protect yourself from the other systems in eve you would need to fit 2 SB's to defend against 1 damp or 2 tc's to defend against 1 td. ugh I give up. Obviously you guys just want to stick to the same tired arguments without even listening to the other side. Have you even considered that its you who have the same tired arguments and the answers to them are just a obvious a constant to ppl with a willingness to swap a module or two around?. Yes, but I also see that you think I am one of those people even though I have already admitted as such that I do swap out modules to compensate for Falcons. I was merely suggesting ideas to possibly make ECCM more attractive yet only see that all pro-ecm arguments are is to compare it to different systems. While I agree a drawback to ECM is that it does have a chance to miss a cycle, missing a cycle is not that detrimental to a good falcon pilot. The range it gets to jam and stay clear of fire over rides that drawback. If you want to make the same comparison, let me shoot my long range guns to 200+km.
Visceroth Minmatar The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.04 15:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Burn Mac Falcon is overpowered since it has alot of bonuses for ECM no ship has bonuses to ECCM. Lets remove the TP bonus for a Bellicose and give it 20% boost to Sensor Strength / level. That will keep it in line with the falcon because when you finally get to like Huginn/Rapier, you aren't really affecting the recon bonuses of web range and giving a ship a viable option to take out a Falcon. I know, people don't want to see one ship as a counter to another but meh why not? Happens all the time. People build ships to counter and destroy other ships. No different than when people thought only Rapiers/Huginns were the only nano killers.

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