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7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 16:43:00 - [31] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: 7shining7one7 I'm all for talking to/sharing with/listening to/helping/being Now that's humor at it's finest. When have you ever done anything besides trolling when you were bored at work Dietrich. and it's ITS FINEST not it is finest.. i'm not even native english speaking, what's your excuse? speaking of humor at its finest.. points
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.04 16:45:00 - [32] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: 7shining7one7 I'm all for talking to/sharing with/listening to/helping/being Now that's humor at it's finest. When have you ever done anything besides trolling when you were bored at work Dietrich. and it's ITS FINEST not it is finest.. i'm not even native english speaking, what's your excuse? speaking of humor at its finest.. points I present to the jury exhibit A to why the previous quote is so hilarious.
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 16:45:00 - [33] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: kor anon Originally by: 7shining7one7 dodging Translation I got served and i haven't thought of a decent response yet your translator is severely bugged.. IT WAS THE GOVERNMENT I SAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! troll detected.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.04 16:46:00 - [34] Originally by: 7shining7one7 troll detected. I now present to the jury exhibit B
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 16:48:00 - [35] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 04/02/2009 16:53:35 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I present to the jury exhibit A to why the previous quote is so hilarious. this thread is about mj it's not about anything else.. if you don't like it go party in some other thread with a topic like anime or w/e you think is interesting to talk about. how many exhibits do you want for your trolling dietrich? we can easily go through the alphabet several times. we can start with the last couple replies, which has diddly to do with the OP. woops? stay on topic? ron paul talks about mj and the war on drugs
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2009.02.04 16:53:00 - [36] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 04/02/2009 16:50:20 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I present to the jury exhibit A to why the previous quote is so hilarious. how many exhibits do you want for your trolling dietrich? we can easily go through the alphabet several times. we can start with the last couple replies, which has diddly to do with the OP. woops? stay on topic? Exhibit C. How about those medical studies from an actual independent scientific institute? Where are they? You know, instead of the various crackpot youtube videos? ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn.
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 16:58:00 - [37] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 04/02/2009 16:50:20 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I present to the jury exhibit A to why the previous quote is so hilarious. how many exhibits do you want for your trolling dietrich? we can easily go through the alphabet several times. we can start with the last couple replies, which has diddly to do with the OP. woops? stay on topic? Exhibit C. How about those medical studies from an actual independent scientific institute? Where are they? You know, instead of the various crackpot youtube videos? you drove by so fast you missed it. show a proper decorum and i might relink it, adapt a friendly and observant aswell as open minded attitude before entering a debate and i'll be happy to talk to you or listen to you. don't and i won't. that's my rules. don't like em, shrug then go. that'll be that between you and me till you can muster up the aforementioned. and that goes for the rest of you too to whomever it applies.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:05:00 - [38] Originally by: 7shining7one7 show a proper decorum and i might relink it, adapt a friendly and observant aswell as open minded attitude before entering a debate and i'll be happy to talk to you or listen to you. don't and i won't. that's my rules. don't like em, shrug then go, or keep asking questions in the same manner expecting a constructive response if any. collecting angry idiots is a bad idea.. was your ego hurt, then you might check the sjit you're shovelling.. cause that's the stuff coming right back at you as long as you do.. that'll be that between you and me till you can muster up the aforementioned. and that goes for the rest of you too to whomever it applies. also if you are interested, show some dedication and do some research on your own, as in non biased openminded research. or do you expect to get dinner each day when you bring nothing worthwile to the table? toodles o/ Open minded. That's good. What's that famous catch phrase when we try to discuss something with you? Oh yeah, blind sheep. When your subjects come up we either have to agree with you or be called a troll. That's open minded for you.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:07:00 - [39] Originally by: 7shining7one7 show a proper decorum and i might relink it, adapt a friendly and observant aswell as open minded attitude before entering a debate and i'll be happy to talk to you or listen to you. don't and i won't. that's my rules. don't like em, shrug then go. that'll be that between you and me till you can muster up the aforementioned. and that goes for the rest of you too to whomever it applies. I saw a video on the war on drugs. If you've perhaps noticed my previous posts on this subject you might have noticed that I'm not pro/anti *******. I just don't see you backing up any of your fantastical claims on *****s medical effects. If you want to be pro-*****. Fine. Then it's a political/subjective/moral issue. If you're perpetuating myths about ******* being some sort of medical wonderdrug, then I have an issue with it. Then you're perpetuating lies that could cost someone their life. Then you're guilty of bad science, and no better than your average scientologist. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn.
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:07:00 - [40] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Open minded. That's good. What's that famous catch phrase when we try to discuss something with you? Oh yeah, blind sheep. When your subjects come up we either have to agree with you or be called a troll. That's open minded for you. how exactly have you participated in a constructive manner in this thread dietrich? pray tell. do you even remember the OP?

kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:11:00 - [41] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Open minded. That's good. What's that famous catch phrase when we try to discuss something with you? Oh yeah, blind sheep. When your subjects come up we either have to agree with you or be called a troll. That's open minded for you. how exactly have you participated in a constructive manner in this thread dietrich? pray tell. do you even remember the OP? By destroying you we are building a better future, constuctive enough for you?
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:18:00 - [42] Originally by: 7shining7one7 how exactly have you participated in a constructive manner in this thread dietrich? pray tell. do you even remember the OP? I'm constructing the mannerism of a conspiracy theorist. I see the same thing every time, that being when somebody does not agree with said CT they result to insults. And yes I remember, the OP is about you wanting to smoke your stash legally. It's funny though because parts of the world it is legal but I don't hear those countries spouting off the superman healing abilities of the stuff.
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:21:00 - [43] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: 7shining7one7 show a proper decorum and i might relink it, adapt a friendly and observant aswell as open minded attitude before entering a debate and i'll be happy to talk to you or listen to you. don't and i won't. that's my rules. don't like em, shrug then go. that'll be that between you and me till you can muster up the aforementioned. and that goes for the rest of you too to whomever it applies. I saw a video on the war on drugs. If you've perhaps noticed my previous posts on this subject you might have noticed that I'm not pro/anti *******. I just don't see you backing up any of your fantastical claims on *****s medical effects. If you want to be pro-*****. Fine. Then it's a political/subjective/moral issue. If you're perpetuating myths about ***** being some sort of medical wonderdrug, then I have an issue with it. Then you're perpetuating lies that could cost someone their life. Then you're guilty of bad science, and no better than your average scientologist. that's a little bit better but you still need to manner up a bit.. here's a link to a page that shows you how to make it and no they don't sell it some other ppl might be trying to make money of it, i'd suggest you try it yourself and see how it works for you, i can assure you it won't kill you and you won't get stoned and there's no negative side effects. doctors and the medical industry won't touch it, they won't study hemp oil publicly, you try it. you can take it as preventive (before you get ill) or active (if you are ill).. if hypothetically it did nothing all you would get was a slight buzz if you took more than the recommended daily dosis (you'd just get slightly high if you take too much basically, the point of hemp oil however is not to get high, but purely medicinal) hemp was used for hemp medicine a few hundred years ago or less.. (recent) and was used a lot in older and even ancient days aswell. even despite this, the medical industry blindsides it and refuses all talk about it except cementing the notion that mj is an illegal substance (plant) and should be outlawed, and the people who are the most ardent supporters of cementing the distinction between alcohol and tobacco and prescription medicine (illegal drugs) and throwing hemp in the category of illegal drugs (along side *****) are the very same people who sell you tobacco and alcohol.. not to mention that the medical industry earns billions in selling cancer "treatments"/sedatives.. some corporations base their entire economy around selling cancer "treatments/sedatives". search a little around for these things you can find them easily, you got plenty of keywords to search for, look in libraries etc. too if you prefer doing it like that and don't like amazon.com or similar, or if you are unsure about certain website or w/e. but get out of the "i want dinner but bring nothing to the table" mentality.. bring good humor, intelligence, objectivity and a friendly open minded attitude and you'll see conversations progress so radically different. or do you yell and spout at your friends when you're having a meal and expect them to pick up the tab? i think not.
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:23:00 - [44] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 04/02/2009 17:29:11 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: 7shining7one7 how exactly have you participated in a constructive manner in this thread dietrich? pray tell. do you even remember the OP? I'm constructing the mannerism of a conspiracy theorist. I see the same thing every time, that being when somebody does not agree with said CT they result to insults. And yes I remember, the OP is about you wanting to smoke your stash legally. It's funny though because parts of the world it is legal but I don't hear those countries spouting off the superman healing abilities of the stuff. first off the hemp oil medicinal value is still way out of the mainstream (but it's getting there) due to heavy suppression by the medical industry since we're looking at a free drug that you can't patent, monopolize or restrict properly, cause it's a plant and anyone can make the oil if they want to, it's really simple and anyone can grow hemp aswell, there's no complex formula to it whatsoever so you can't get monopoly on having a secret recipy that's really hard to make and thus have ppl require you to sell it to them. ppl just mostly use it for recreational value and think nothing more of other uses for the plant.. and however much the recreational value is awesome and enlightening and relaxing it is indeed the medicinal value of it that is most interesting imo. also it's a two part OP, one is smoking mj, the other is medicinal value of hemp oil.. which has diddly to do with getting high. if you don't want to participate in a meaningful way about the medicinal value of hemp, then participate constructively with regards to the legality issue. you may start participating in a friendly and meaningful manner whenever you're ready.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:29:00 - [45] Then I'll ask some open minded questions then. If the medical institutions know about the healing powers of this drug then they have studied it at some point in time. If it does do what they claim it does why not make it, not announce that they are using it, and sell it for the same price as their standard treatments and rob us blind?
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:39:00 - [46] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 04/02/2009 17:41:19 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Then I'll ask some open minded questions then. If the medical institutions know about the healing powers of this drug then they have studied it at some point in time. If it does do what they claim it does why not make it, not announce that they are using it, and sell it for the same price as their standard treatments and rob us blind? well.. dietrich, the medical industry makes money as long as you are not healthy. If you understand that, you'll understand a whole lot of other things aswell.. doctors and nurses are in the business of saving lives.. the pharmaceutical industry are in the business of causing diseases (with side effects or otherwise) and/or prolonging diseases for profit. if all are healthy there are no meds that needs selling cause nobody needs to buy them.. so.. they go out of business.. hemp is probably the biggest threat to the pharmaceutical industry because it's a free drug that anyone can grow and use, and solves a plethora of health issues without barely grabbing for your wallet and no negative side effects.. it'd be the equivalent of them trying to say "oh we are the only ones who can grow and sell wheat cause we found out it's super healthy, so all you farmers buy it from us instead of growing it yourself, so you can pay us and we can get money". how long do you think that would fly? if they were to admit all the stuff they know about hemp oil and hemp in general, and then start to sell it as medicine, then ppl would end up saying hey.. i don't need you i can grow that stuff myself.. it isn't that complicated that i need to pay you for it..
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:41:00 - [47] Originally by: 7shining7one7 here's a link to a page that shows you how to make it and no they don't sell it You consider THAT a good reference? 1. His evidence on the researchers page is anecdotal. I don't see any double-blind tests, tests to isolate factors etc. That is, research that produces hard facts and hard-to-falsify results. Not feel good stories and stuff that's subject to a researchers subjective interpretation. If there hasn't been research, then it needs to be done (because we've practically gone through every other "folk" remedy there is, with some proving ineffective and some effective. 2. He compares chemotherapy to ** death camps. That is NOT good science. 3. The guy running the site, Rick Simpson... Quote: I am offering the Canadian public a cure for cancer and many other diseases. Over the last three years I have made hemp oil available to hundreds of people with a variety of diseases and conditions. The results have been astounding. Hemp, also called cannabis or ***** has been known throughout history to be the most medicinal plant in the world. Why has this plant been so restricted for medicinal use in Canada? When oils are made from hemp containing a high percentage of THC the resulting oils have amazing healing powers. This drug is literally a cure-all that can be easily produced on a large scale at a very reasonable cost. When you work with this drug, miracles become everyday events. "made available to hundreds of people", "results have been astounding", words alluding to world wide-conspiracy to suppress ancient enlightened knowledge, "cure-all", "miracles become every day events". Holy **, how has this guy avoided being put on various anti-cult watchdog lists?
Elite Marksman	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:42:00 - [48] With regards to the legality issue, I think one thing that is overlooked is the fact that it would be regulated just as much as alcohol if it were to be legalized at all. The reason for this is that though ******* is not addictive at low to moderate doses, it does interfere with memory formation and recollection. Because of this, legal ***** would likely be restricted to 21+, like alcohol. However, at higher doses, ***** can alter time perception and cause psychedelic episodes, which alcohol cannot. Due to this risk, I would not back legalized *****. Medicinal *****, however, could prove to be effective when administered properly. Obviously ***** is not a substitute for albuterol inhalers for the treatment of asthma in school-age children due to it's effects on learning, but it could be effective and appropriate in situations such as chemotherapy. The primary concern with medicinal ******* is not that the user may get "high" -- I've gotten "high" taking Percoset as prescribed, tbh you don't care about getting "high" when you are in pain either -- it is the negative effects inherent in the inhalation of any smoke.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:45:00 - [49] But who says they have to admit they know the facts and are using it to heal people. On top of that, the medical industry will always have business. I pretty sure the oil doesn't reset broken bones, remove tonsil's and appendix's, replace eye's that were genetically bad in the first place, and place in pacemakers for genetically weak hearts.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:46:00 - [50] Originally by: Elite Marksman However, at higher doses, ********* can alter time perception and cause psychedelic episodes, which alcohol cannot. But Alcohol boosts agression and removed inhibitions, as well as possibly resulting in Alcohol poisoning. I believe psychadelic episodes are less threatening than alcohol abuse, especially if you are too out of it to actually do anything.

7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:47:00 - [51] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel he's been giving it out to his neighbourghs and community for free for many many years and ppl have recovered from terminal cancer and many other things, through using it. uh dude, all it shows is how to make it for yourself.. he doesn't sell it. cult? cult of unorganized nice people maybe? stop throwing rash words around like that.. it's like you read the title of the book and go "OH SHIP THE AUTHOR IS A NASI" - cause you saw the word nasi on the title of a book.
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:50:00 - [52] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich But who says they have to admit they know the facts and are using it to heal people. On top of that, the medical industry will always have business. I pretty sure the oil doesn't reset broken bones, remove tonsil's and appendix's, replace eye's that were genetically bad in the first place, and place in pacemakers for genetically weak hearts. well what you're talking about is surgery, that's doctors and nurses.. i'm sry if the nomenclature was wrong, obviously i am referring to the pharmaceutical industry.. since we are talking about drugs and medicinal values of plants like hemp.. we aren't talking about surgery..
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:51:00 - [53] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel he's been giving it out to his neighbourghs and community for free for many many years and ppl have recovered from terminal cancer and many other things, through using it. uh dude, all it shows is how to make it for yourself.. he doesn't sell it. cult? cult of unorganized nice people maybe? stop throwing rash words around like that.. it's like you read the title of the book and go "OH SHIP THE AUTHOR IS A NASI" - cause you saw the word nasi on the title of a book. Where the proof?, just because he says it worked doesn't mean it did
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:54:00 - [54] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich But who says they have to admit they know the facts and are using it to heal people. On top of that, the medical industry will always have business. I pretty sure the oil doesn't reset broken bones, remove tonsil's and appendix's, replace eye's that were genetically bad in the first place, and place in pacemakers for genetically weak hearts. well what you're talking about is surgery, that's doctors and nurses.. i'm sry if the nomenclature was wrong in a few places, obviously i am referring to the pharmaceutical industry.. since we are talking about drugs and medicinal values of plants like hemp.. we aren't talking about surgery.. and no i'm not announcing the death of the entire pharmaceutical industry (pill/legal drugs with side effects) with the introduction of hemp oil in the mainstream but it could likely be a 80% reduction in the entire pharmaceutical industry.. and it would be harsh but necessary to give them proper focus rather than prolonging ppls diseases and creating side effects that creates new ones that you then need another of their drugs to help with and so on...
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:55:00 - [55] Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 04/02/2009 17:55:52 Originally by: 7shining7one7 well what you're talking about is surgery, that's doctors and nurses.. I'm sorry if the nomenclature was wrong, obviously i am referring to the pharmaceutical industry.. since we are talking about drugs and medicinal values of plants like hemp.. we aren't talking about surgery.. Somebody has to write out those prescriptions. People still need painkillers before, during, and afterwards. I should know, my ER practically knows me by name. But again I must refer to my previous statement of who says they have to admit they have knowledge about the drug and are secretly using it in their medicine while keeping the same costs as their other pratices. I mean people get sick everyday so I can't really see business slowing down.
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 18:05:00 - [56] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 04/02/2009 18:06:17 Originally by: kor anon Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel he's been giving it out to his neighbourghs and community for free for many many years and ppl have recovered from terminal cancer and many other things, through using it. uh dude, all it shows is how to make it for yourself.. he doesn't sell it. cult? cult of unorganized nice people maybe? stop throwing rash words around like that.. it's like you read the title of the book and go "OH SHIP THE AUTHOR IS A NASI" - cause you saw the word nasi on the title of a book. Where the proof?, just because he says it worked doesn't mean it did since they stonewall analysis and tests of hemp oil, what you have to go on is testimonies of the ppl who said it cured them. he ain't trying to sell you it.. you can't lay a finger on him with regards to wanting to make a profit, hes gotta be the dumbest drug dealer in all of history cause he gives it away including the recipy for it. AND.. you know how to make it, so you can try it out for yourself, you don't have to be terminally ill to use it or benefit from it, it can be taken as a preventive medicine.. hemp even when smoked mimic the body's processes (the cannabinoids do) just imagine what concentrated thc does.. (add those 90% back on again).. you've heard what a pain relief it is for very ill people with pains, just realize that's only a fraction of the potency of it, and we are talking a whole different ingestion method and only key parts of the plant used for this (the most potent ones). sry if you going for the high again you have to smoke it or ingest it differently, the concentrated hemp oil is a totally different character.. once you smoke hemp 90% of the medicinal value of it goes up in smoke.. it's only key parts of the plant that are used for the oil.. and here he is on a talkshow called radio orbit, this is a longer audio interview (but a very good one) where he details all the years and the events between, including where he was in court showing them this, was stone walled by the doctors and medical experts and kept out of the media, and so on and so forth. gtg for now, you guys have a great evening, keep up a good conversation, and.. be safe o/ peace.
Straight Chillen Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.02.04 18:06:00 - [57] Just Decriminalize it, That would be enough. And speaking from personal experience I can say that ********* makes the horrors of chemotherapy and radiation therapy berable, even if just so. Botttom line tho is that the big drug companys do not want you to be able to take care of your self, and aslong as lobbyists run Washington, that will never change.
Elite Marksman	Posted - 2009.02.04 18:08:00 - [58] Originally by: 7shining7one7 well what you're talking about is surgery, that's doctors and nurses.. i'm sry if the nomenclature was wrong, obviously i am referring to the pharmaceutical industry.. since we are talking about drugs and medicinal values of plants like hemp.. we aren't talking about surgery.. The pharmaceutical companies will always have business, if for nothing else but pain medicines. THC is nowhere near as effective as opioids when it comes to pain relief, which is why they in general, and morphine in specific, have been the gold standard for pain relief since they were discovered. When 5/325 Percosets didn't work for their entire dose to stop the pain from wisdom teeth removal, smoking a joint or two sure as hell ain't gonna help either.
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 18:11:00 - [59] Originally by: Straight Chillen Just Decriminalize it, That would be enough. And speaking from personal experience I can say that ******* makes the horrors of chemotherapy and radiation therapy berable, even if just so. Botttom line tho is that the big drug companys do not want you to be able to take care of your self, and aslong as lobbyists run Washington, that will never change. ah yeah, rick calls them the greatest mass murderers for letting ppl die slow deaths or give painful when they know what can help them. btb. before you lay judgement on rick, he watched his brother die of cancer which lead him down the path to discovering all of this. he's pretty **ed about it in his own way. and he's in no business of giving people false hope.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.04 18:13:00 - [60] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Straight Chillen Just Decriminalize it, That would be enough. And speaking from personal experience I can say that ******* makes the horrors of chemotherapy and radiation therapy berable, even if just so. Botttom line tho is that the big drug companys do not want you to be able to take care of your self, and aslong as lobbyists run Washington, that will never change. ah yeah, rick calls them the greatest mass murderers for letting ppl die slow deaths or give painful when they know what can help them. btb. before you lay judgement on rick, he watched his brother die of cancer which lead him down the path to discovering all of this. he's pretty **ed about it in his own way. and he's in no business of giving people false hope. Oh so its in bitterness he cooked up all this, explains alot tbh



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