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Diomidis
Amarr
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.05 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Diomidis on 05/02/2009 12:06:27
HAMs have been weakened a tad vs. cruisers/hacs and a lot vs. frigates, but that's all...
I agree that all Tier 2 BCs are good ships, even the Myrm which can bring a lot of utility slots for ewar in the field, and reliably confront all ship sizes...Neuts against other active tanking med ships and close orbiting AFs/Ceptors, TDs for BSs or other BCs, mean anti-frig warriors etc...
The Harbi and the Drake are good DPS boats / secondary (or tertiary?) heavy tacklers for ppl unable to fly similarly fitted BSs for the task. A bit weak against speed/sig tanking boats tho should those dictate range. One trick ponies really, but pretty strong at it.
The EDIT: Hurricane (not the Harbinger - doh  ) is quite a ship and also very versatile, and can be fitted with at least 5-6 different combinations of tank / speed / utility / gank @ range:
Gank
* ACs + HAMs for max DPS against big stuff
* ACs + Neuts or Neut + Missile Launcher or even Gang mod!
* Med ranged sniper with Arties
Tank
* 1600mm RT + balance of gank / resistances
* Dual MAR tank (with a Cap Booster)
* Dual 1600mm RT buffer tank (!!! just use Dual 180s)
* MAR + 1600mm
* Nano + shield buffer tank
Multiple combos with the above...enjoy 
Just don't forget that Dropping a tier in ACs is not as bad as dropping a tier in other weapon systems - |
Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.02.05 11:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Diomidis
The Harbinger is quite a ship and also very versatile, and can be fitted with at least 5-6 different combinations of tank / speed / utility / gank @ range:
Gank
* ACs + HAMs for max DPS against big stuff
* ACs + Neuts or Neut + Missile Launcher or even Gang mod!
* Med ranged sniper with Arties
Tank
* 1600mm RT + balance of gank / resistances
* Dual MAR tank (with a Cap Booster)
* Dual 1600mm RT buffer tank (!!! just use Dual 180s)
* MAR + 1600mm
* Nano + shield buffer tank
Multiple combos with the above...enjoy
Just don't forget that Dropping a tier in ACs is not as bad as dropping a tier in other weapon systems -
what harbinger with AC? *facepalm* |
Diomidis
Amarr
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
what harbinger with AC? *facepalm*
- pwned
(the AC part tricked you, arties are ok I guess then)  
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Diomidis
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
what harbinger with AC? *facepalm*
- pwned
(the AC part tricked you, arties are ok I guess then)
hehe was not rly paying attention as I am at work but somehow I saw harbinger and AC ...
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Rapture001
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Posted - 2009.02.05 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Rapture001 on 05/02/2009 14:20:51
Edited by: Rapture001 on 05/02/2009 14:20:11
Drake fittings depends on a lot of factors.
Low sec gate camping demands another fitting than a 0.0 roaming gang. The brick drake has a OMG tank and lol dps. Nobody primary a drake.
A cerb with a soft buffer tank is capable of killing falcons at long range. The chance that a cerb pulls aggro is much larger than a drake.
A drake can fit for gank/ECCM to keep it's damage dealing working and reducing the effectiveness of enemy falcons.
In low sec (no bubbles), the HAM drake can hugg a gate and spam 500+ dps. In 0.0 I orbit my drake at mid range to stay safe from bubbles and always have the chance to warp out. My drake didn't pull aggro while bashing CVA-carriers (killing fighters) and could warp out. You can choose for more range or more dps in target hugging range.
Locking speed is also a factor. If the roaming gang is strong enough to instantpop targets, you have to lock something before it's instantpopped.
If your 0.0 roaming gang have drakes, bc's, hac's, cruisers, assault frigs,... The enemy falcons will start jamming the drakes/bc's to remove those damage dealers with a not-easy-to-kill buffer tank. The enemy gang will primary the hac's to prevent cerbs shooting the falcons. Then your cruisers, assault frigs,... will be dead. In the end the drakes and bc's have to run or die.
If the drakes and bc's use some ECCM and reduce the tank. Every drake or BC can keep 2 racial jammers busy and the enemy need more falcons to silence the BC's. The equation swing to the advantage of our damage dealers in the main battle. Good target calling is important to remove the right targets from the equation. A bad falcon is a falcon bumped by a drake (tackling danger). Normally the drake dps never touch a falcon.
A 0.0 roaming gang drake needs microwarp to get out of bubbles, range to touch something, 24km point to pin something down, some ECCM against falcons, sensor booster to have chance to touch someting,... The slot layout of the drake is excellent for those design goals, but missiles still don't do instant hits. A little buffering around 35k eHP. If you are primaried, you are still going down.
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Absolom Hues
Gallente
The Triangle
Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.05 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Riven Varlass
x7 Heavy Pulse T2
x1 Electrochem Injector
x1 Warp Disruptor
x1 Web
x1 10mn AB t2
x3 Heat Sinks T2
x1 DCU T2
x1 EANM T2
x1 Medium Armor Repair T2
x5 Hammerheads T2
or
x5 Medium ECM drones
811 DPS w/hammerheads. Not much survivability in there though, It's kill or be killed.
Drake EFT warriors, you'll likely lose quite a bit of that dps to the explosion velocity, and rightly so looking at the numbers your presenting on the dps and tank.
I laughed when I read this... you show an eft fitting with numbers and then accuse us Drake pilots of being EFT warriors? Looking at your killmails, you have never killed a ship nor lost a ship with the above listed fitting... have you ever flown it
I assure you that the Drake I have posted is not EFT.. but a real ship I fly often. It serves me well.  |
bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.02.05 15:34:00 -
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if you can t2 pulse there is no reason not to use a harbinger
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Aurevoir Connard
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Posted - 2009.02.05 20:23:00 -
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It was only mentioned once and often overlooked for pvp but the Myrmidon is an extremely versatile ship.
It can be set up to either armor or shield tank depending on your preferance, It has 6 high turret slots which to some my not seem enough compared to some with the 8 slots but the drone bonuses beat all. I pvp in Myrmidon and eithe in high sec or low sec it still does the job. Racial guns dont matter as the bonus doesnt go there so again fit it to what you prefer or need.
The myrmidon can be looked at by some as the mini domi, I have seen Neut builds similar to a domi an I currently run a hybrid Neut blaster set up. The mid slots allow you enough room to fit a cap booster, scrambler, disrupter, MWD, and whatever else you want at the moment. |
Naomi Knight
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.05 20:31:00 -
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Ferox is the best:P
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Leoviscus
Rukongai
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.05 20:57:00 -
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The OP should probably elaborate the context of their PVP. If he is in gang there is no need to fit tackle, and the tank on that Drake becomes that much better with no hinderance to DPS. HAM drakes are nice especially with the missle velocity hardwiring and corresponding rigs to augment missle velocity and flight time. |
Comrade Bliss
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:45:00 -
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I fell very secure when roaming in my Ham Drake, just this morning i was doing some lowsec piracy and was scanning from my safe spot. All of a sudden a helios have probed me down. I blow him up hoping to get out before the reinforcements arrive. But i ain't fast enhough, in comes the harby wich i manage to take down but before i get away a Brutix warps in right on top of me i mannage to get him in to half armor before i pop
I love my Drake it's a fun ship to fly i don't have much exp with the other bc's but at the moment i am about 12 days from being able to fit a decent Cane which i look forward to cuz'its so damn sexy..... especially compared to the drake.
And exept for a the LSE and Ballistic controls it was only a T1 fit so i can't wait to use it when i start fitting some more T2 equipment on it
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Riven Varlass
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Riven Varlass on 06/02/2009 19:29:21
Originally by: Absolom Hues
Originally by: Riven Varlass
x7 Heavy Pulse T2
x1 Electrochem Injector
x1 Warp Disruptor
x1 Web
x1 10mn AB t2
x3 Heat Sinks T2
x1 DCU T2
x1 EANM T2
x1 Medium Armor Repair T2
x5 Hammerheads T2
or
x5 Medium ECM drones
811 DPS w/hammerheads. Not much survivability in there though, It's kill or be killed.
Drake EFT warriors, you'll likely lose quite a bit of that dps to the explosion velocity, and rightly so looking at the numbers your presenting on the dps and tank.
I laughed when I read this... you show an eft fitting with numbers and then accuse us Drake pilots of being EFT warriors? Looking at your killmails, you have never killed a ship nor lost a ship with the above listed fitting... have you ever flown it
I assure you that the Drake I have posted is not EFT.. but a real ship I fly often. It serves me well.
I laugh at your information gathering. I've flown for a few years, on multiple characters, so I cant blame you for trying to be a smartass and failing hard at it.
I typed that fitting in an EFT form, this does not make it an "eft fitting". And the dps is from my excel sheet. This might of course be because I never bothered to reinstall EFT when I dident find the latest version, but we'll never know will we. 
Originally by: bff Jill
if you can t2 pulse there is no reason not to use a harbinger
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MukkBarovian
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Posted - 2009.02.06 20:00:00 -
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All bc are good. Basically what you should be doing right now, is thinking 'which t1 cruiser/HAC do i fly the most?' If you fly the vagabond get in the hurricane. If you're an ishtar pilot try the myrm(although you'll probably be disapointed on that one). Be aware that a bc warps much slower than a cruiser. You're not going to be fast enough to solo through 0.0 unless you get in a minmatar one. On the other hand if you want to camp gate in lowsec with gatefire a passive tank drake will be more satisfying than the other options.
You really didnt say what playstyles you use, what your friendly gangs consist of if they exist, and what area you are trying to fight in. Clarify, and people might stop telling you which bc is best for them and start making suggestions directly applicable to you.
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