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Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2009.02.12 08:11:00 -
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This is a tuff nut to crack. While I don't like the way the channel is run, I do understand how you could get burned out answering the same questions over and over that are easily answered by even a quick glance at the guides. Seems to me the spirit of exploration has its roots in solving a mystery. I read every guide I could find before I even knew there was a forum here, then I read the ones in the sticky.
That being said- I watch Exploration and see who is getting abused, then I convo them privately and offer help.
I'll be switching to Discovery in the hopes of a more tolerant experience.
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Inserith Peon
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Posted - 2009.02.12 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Inserith Peon on 12/02/2009 14:24:46
As an experienced explorer who was once a regular in the Exploration channel I may give this Discovery one a try.
I used to try my best to help those asking questions, but yes, the umpteenth "What's a Waypost?" question does tend to get a response akin to a head hitting a desk. Most people should bear in mind that the majority of explorers are reasonably experienced players so can be quite jaded.... :) ;)
I eventually got kicked from the channel whilst having a witty exchange during a boring evenings scanning. Unfortunately, the 'esteemed' moderator decided that as he didn't understand the wit due to cultural differences between those from Europe and the US, he decided to threaten to kick the next person 'who said something re-tarded' (his words)... as I tried to explain to him why he didn't understand, poof I was gone... and I haven't been back since...
So, I completely agree with most of what has been written so far. Find a better channel, although, you are always at the mercy of whoever is logged in at that time, and of course the moderators. |
Don Genaro
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Posted - 2009.02.12 18:11:00 -
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This addresses one of my biggest pet peeves in eve (or anywhere really). If you are going to hang out in a help channel or a channel with alot of new folks in it, you need to have patience. If you are one of these insufferable jackasses that hangs out in the starter corp channels or the help channels (or the exploration channel- change the damned title if you don't want people coming in asking questions) and all you do is keep telling people to RTFM or booting them, you are a maladjusted idiot. Period.
You are doing nothing more than getting off on feeling cool because you are part of the "in" crowd. You also have a cruel streak that enjoys abusing people. You don't belong in any cahannel for new people to seek help- you should set up your own channel with a name like "we're better than you and we know it."
I'm not writing from the perspective of a clueless noob- I've been around the game for a long time and I like to actually help people. It's easy to forget that the learning curve in eve is steep, and there is no single good reliable source for good information- how many of you now have a whole list of bookmarked web pages and printed out guides/ maps that you regularly use? It took a while to find this stuff.
Hate to break it to you uber explorers, but "what is a waypost" is a perfectly valid question. Yes, I found the answer on my own but it took alot of searching and I found a lot of wrong answers before I found the right one.
If you look around other forums you'll see that a lot of people consider the eve community to be elitist and cruel. Most of us know that's not true at all.. but if you were a week old noob that was curious about exploration and stumbled into the "exploration" channel, that's certainly the impression that you'd get. This is true also with alot of people that hang out in channels like FNA for years.. seemingly for no other reason than to feel superior by demonstrating how cool and knowledgable they are while they belittle people asking perfectly reasonable questions.
Bottom line is this. If you really want to be a helper/ educator you HAVE to be patient. If you are getting the same question over and over again, odds are there's a good reason for the question.. and the correct answer is not "RTFM noob." The correct answer is "I understand how you might have found it difficult to answer that question for your self.. here is a link to a guide that might help you..."
To all of you little twits making yourselves feel cool by picking on the new folks.. we all know what you are doing, acting out because at some point someone belittled and made fun of you. Here's a news flash.. all you are doing is making yourselves look even weaker. True signs of strength and experience are patience, kindness, compassion. If you want people to think you are cool, try those on for size.
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Empire Mining and Trade
eXponential maXimum
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Posted - 2009.02.13 01:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jonathan Calvert on 13/02/2009 01:35:04
 Originally by: Don Genaro
This addresses one of my biggest pet peeves in eve (or anywhere really). If you are going to hang out in a help channel or a channel with alot of new folks in it, you need to have patience. If you are one of these insufferable jackasses that hangs out in the starter corp ...a news flash.. all you are doing is making yourselves look even weaker. True signs of strength and experience are patience, kindness, compassion. If you want people to think you are cool, try those on for size.
You guys go to discovery, well stay in Exploration. Its a win win. Not sure why you have to keep whining.
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Don Genaro
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Posted - 2009.02.13 04:03:00 -
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There is something exceptionally funny about anyone from the exploration channel making an accusation of whining. Serioulsy, I laughed out loud at that one.
I wasn't whining anyway, simply offering a very specific group of disruptive idiots advice that, if followed, would improve eve, life, the universe, and everything.
Can you feel the love? Have a nice day now.
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dethleffs
Eura MoFo
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Posted - 2009.02.13 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Don Genaro
There is something exceptionally funny about anyone from the exploration channel making an accusation of whining. Serioulsy, I laughed out loud at that one.
I wasn't whining anyway, simply offering a very specific group of disruptive idiots advice that, if followed, would improve eve, life, the universe, and everything.
Can you feel the love? Have a nice day now.
qft.
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Empire Mining and Trade
eXponential maXimum
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Posted - 2009.02.13 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Don Genaro
There is something exceptionally funny about anyone from the exploration channel making an accusation of whining. Serioulsy, I laughed out loud at that one.
I wasn't whining anyway, simply offering a very specific group of disruptive idiots advice that, if followed, would improve eve, life, the universe, and everything.
Can you feel the love? Have a nice day now.
Last word. |
lucifers widow
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Posted - 2009.02.14 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Calvert
Last word.
That I doubt.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2009.02.15 03:27:00 -
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I will be joining "Discovery" next time I log in!
For those interested in exploration and probing as it regards live and squirming targets, don't forget about the channel "The Ninja Alliance", too.
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Starbreaker Frigateers - life on the edge |
Foulque
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Posted - 2009.02.15 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja
its only spam free till the moderator is spammign crap... or his lackies.
This. Any time I bothered with explo channel the conversation was nothing to do with exploration and just the channel owner/mods spamming crap.
Discovery on the other hand actually has useful people in there who are willing to help and "amazingly" the general talk is of exploration.
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Jeesa
Amarr
Pew Pew Laz0rz
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Posted - 2009.02.18 12:36:00 -
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Protip - train both "Ass Kissing" and "Douchebaggery Absorption" to V and you will be fine in "Exploration". |
Corporate Diva
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Posted - 2009.03.04 19:17:00 -
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I ventured into the help channel with a question I'd researched for a while without finding an answer. It was my first try on a "help" channel of any kind as I usually can find my answers on my own. I always "read the guide" but everyone who really plays the game knows that every guide leaves out some point.
As soon as it sounded like I could be called a carebear - three or four "helpers" jumped me with suggestions that I stop hiding in hi-sec - asking why anyone could waste sub money without being a PvPer - questions about capital ship building are ridiculous because Eve is a PvP game only - and more. One guy convo'ed me and talked me thru my stuck point. I sent him 50mil.
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lol thx
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Posted - 2009.03.20 10:56:00 -
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Hopefully the jerkoffs in this channel will put more and more people off exploration leaving more for us professionals.
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gnome proper
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Posted - 2009.03.20 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: lol thx
Hopefully the jerkoffs in this channel will put more and more people off exploration leaving more for us professionals.
Wow.
Astounding that you claim yourself to be a professional explorer, when just about everyone in Eve know that exploration used to be about waiting for your probes to finish scanning, not skill. This is not debatable.
Things have changed. You¦re not a professional, and it¦s not your sites. 
/ot
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Don Genaro
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Posted - 2009.03.20 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: gnome proper
Originally by: lol thx
Hopefully the jerkoffs in this channel will put more and more people off exploration leaving more for us professionals.
Wow.
Astounding that you claim yourself to be a professional explorer, when just about everyone in Eve know that exploration used to be about waiting for your probes to finish scanning, not skill. This is not debatable.
Things have changed. You¦re not a professional, and it¦s not your sites.
/ot
Hate to break it to you but exploration has been DUMBED DOWN. WAY DOWN. Yes the old system was largely chance based, but it did require some fortitude, and having the gear/skills to get your scan time under 90 seconds made a BIG difference. Now any chimp who has a basic grasp of geometry and crap skills can scan down 95% of the sigs out there in minutes. You people saying "ooh, its interactive and takes player skill" please gimme a break... if you can figure out how to dress yourself in the morning the probing interface will be second nature within minutes.
Hands down the funniest thing on these boards are the new explorers saying "it takes too long!"
Hell, I miss the days of going through many sets of quests and days of scanning to nail the tough sigs. At least it kept the impatient kiddies out.
Quite honestly, dropping midwarp BM's to get optimum coverage of systems took a A LOT more skill than anything you have to do now in exploration.
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lol thx
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Posted - 2009.03.23 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: gnome proper
Originally by: lol thx
Hopefully the jerkoffs in this channel will put more and more people off exploration leaving more for us professionals.
Wow.
Astounding that you claim yourself to be a professional explorer, when just about everyone in Eve know that exploration used to be about waiting for your probes to finish scanning, not skill. This is not debatable.
Things have changed. You¦re not a professional, and it¦s not your sites.
/ot
Them's fighting words *rolls up sleeves*
It's probably just an initial reaction to every man and his dog wanting to probe out a wormhole but at the moment it's very competitive getting those plexes (and clearing them before someone else jumps in). I know its really a free for all but it's mildly annoying that the prime content of the new patch has the side effect of having everyone probing out plexes too. Never mind, adapt or die... already on it!
Also think the interest will die down once enough people have got themselves stuck in a pod full of implants in w-space :)
Also: I can be a spazz.
As for ease.... it is ludicrously easy to probe things now, and it's dumbed down to only needing one probe and just spamming for all sites. This removes a lot of the discernment. While probing WAS chance based, you still had to set up mid point bookmarks to launch probes AND have the patience of a saint while the numbers game did its work. There was a lot more skill and knowledge required compared to now.
However the new system IS better, mostly. With the ease as well I can see exactly why more people are doing explo stuff.
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