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Theory666	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:33:00 - [1] Edited by: Theory666 on 04/02/2009 22:35:29 I am trying to find the perfect 0.0 ratting raven fit. Ideas? Raven Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Turret Slot Turret Slot X-Large Shield Booster II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Invulnerability Field II Ballistic Control System I Ballistic Control System I Quantum Co-Processor I Ballistic Control System I Ballistic Control System I Rigs : Empty Slot \ Empty Slot \ Empty Slot \ 15375 shield, 20.5/s, E/T/K/Ex=45/56/67/78 7969 armor, E/T/K/Ex=59/44/25/10 6640.625 cap, +18.78/s, -86.533/s 138.0 m/s 0.0 DPS And what does it mean Using more than one type of this module or similar modules that affect the same attribute on the ship will be penalized.? Does it mean if I use more than one BCU it will be penilized, or if I use another type of control system? Or is just very new because I see setups with multiple BCU's and other devices with this warning.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:36:00 - [2] MY RAVEN WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I After all, everyone needs some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Theory666	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Spaztick MY RAVEN WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I Thats a good setup, except I am looking for a more T2 setup, soon I will be able to use BCU II.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:46:00 - [4] T2 cruise with T1 BCS? I'm impressed. More seriously though, here's what I'd suggest: [Raven, Ratting] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Improved Cloaking Device II Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Why? Well, you'll do good DPS at 90odd km (lockrange) which is fine for ratting - you'll also be away from the warpin point. Fast ships tackling you will have a very bad day thanks to drones + neut + web + point. Anything else, you GTFO and cloak. Actually, just pay attention to local, and GTFO and cloak and you'll be fine :)
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:48:00 - [5] Edited by: James Lyrus on 04/02/2009 22:49:46 Originally by: Theory666 And what does it mean Using more than one type of this module or similar modules that affect the same attribute on the ship will be penalized.? Does it mean if I use more than one BCU it will be penilized, or if I use another type of control system? Or is just very new because I see setups with multiple BCU's and other devices with this warning. What that means is additional modules don't give the 'full' bonus - there will always be a benefit to fitting an extra one, but the benefit gets lower and lower. With (T2) ballistic controls, thats: 0 BCS = 347 dps +23% (+79dps) 1 BCS= 426 dps +20% (47% total boost 23.5%/BCS) (+81dps) 2BCS = 510 dps +13% (65% total boost 21.6/BCS) (+64dps) 3BCS=574 dps +6% (75% total boost 18.75/BCS) (+34dps) 4BCS = 608 dps +2% (79% total boost 15%/BCS) (+13dps) 5BCS = 621 dps As you can see, the 5th BCS doesn't add _much_ but it does still add to the damage output. Functionally 2 is slightly better than one. The third adds about half. The 4th is not commonly used, unless you really have nothing else to fit.
Theory666	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:50:00 - [6] Edited by: Theory666 on 04/02/2009 22:54:38 Originally by: James Lyrus Edited by: James Lyrus on 04/02/2009 22:49:46 Originally by: Theory666 And what does it mean Using more than one type of this module or similar modules that affect the same attribute on the ship will be penalized.? Does it mean if I use more than one BCU it will be penilized, or if I use another type of control system? Or is just very new because I see setups with multiple BCU's and other devices with this warning. What that means is additional modules don't give the 'full' bonus - there will always be a benefit to fitting an extra one, but the benefit gets lower and lower. With (T2) ballistic controls, thats: 0 BCS = 347 dps +23% (+79dps) 1 BCS= 426 dps +20% (47% total boost 23.5%/BCS) (+81dps) 2BCS = 510 dps +13% (65% total boost 21.6/BCS) (+64dps) 3BCS=574 dps +6% (75% total boost 18.75/BCS) (+34dps) 4BCS = 608 dps +2% (79% total boost 15%/BCS) (+13dps) 5BCS = 621 dps As you can see, the 5th BCS doesn't add _much_ but it does still add to the damage output. Functionally 2 is slightly better than one. The third adds about half. The 4th is not commonly used, unless you really have nothing else to fit. great. Does anyone know what to put in the last two slots? I usually put a salvager in one but what do I put in the other?
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:00:00 - [7] If you're ratting in 0.0 I'd go with either a cloak or a heavy neut. Both are not for the rats, but for hostile players. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Theory666	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:05:00 - [8] Edited by: Theory666 on 04/02/2009 23:07:25 Originally by: Gavin DeVries If you're ratting in 0.0 I'd go with either a cloak or a heavy neut. Both are not for the rats, but for hostile players. Yes, Thats why I stay in CVA space. They are run by a very strict code. lets take out one of those BCU's and put in a damage control 2
Theory666	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:30:00 - [9] Edited by: Theory666 on 04/02/2009 23:32:00 Here is what I decided upon: Raven Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Turret Slot Salvager I X-Large Shield Booster II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Invulnerability Field II Ballistic Control System I Ballistic Control System I Ballistic Control System I Co-Processor II Damage Control II Rigs : Empty Slot \ Empty Slot \ Empty Slot \ 15375 shield, 20.5/s, E/T/K/Ex=52/61/71/80 7969 armor, E/T/K/Ex=65/53/36/23 6640.625 cap, +18.78/s, -86.567/s 138.0 m/s 0.0 DPS
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:33:00 - [10] Originally by: Theory666 Edited by: Theory666 on 04/02/2009 23:07:25 Originally by: Gavin DeVries If you're ratting in 0.0 I'd go with either a cloak or a heavy neut. Both are not for the rats, but for hostile players. Yes, Thats why I stay in CVA space. They are run by a very strict code. lets take out one of those BCU's and put in a damage control 2 I enjoy killing miners in CVA space with that same mentality.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Spaztick Originally by: Theory666 Edited by: Theory666 on 04/02/2009 23:07:25 Originally by: Gavin DeVries If you're ratting in 0.0 I'd go with either a cloak or a heavy neut. Both are not for the rats, but for hostile players. Yes, Thats why I stay in CVA space. They are run by a very strict code. lets take out one of those BCU's and put in a damage control 2 I enjoy killing miners in CVA space with that same mentality. Wait...let me get this straight. Some 0.0 alliance has a REQUIREMENT to fit a DCUII on their ships? Or is it a cloak? I'm very curious of the potential for how fail this could be...
Guerrica	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Karrade Krise Wait...let me get this straight. Some 0.0 alliance has a REQUIREMENT to fit a DCUII on their ships? Or is it a cloak? I'm very curious of the potential for how fail this could be... He's referring to CVA's NRDS policy. What he's failing to consider is the random reds that still do pop up as they do anywhere in 0.0. So still pretty fail, I look forward to seeing the OP on a KB soon.
Peckles	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:59:00 - [13] I use this, take off the cloak if you are really that sure you will be safe. [0.0] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Shield Boost Amplifier I Heat Dissipation Field II Photon Scattering Field II Sensor Booster II,Scan Resolution Cap Recharger II Cruise Missile Launcher II,Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II,Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II,Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II,Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II,Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II,Paradise Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Improved Cloaking Device II Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead x5
Theory666	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Guerrica Originally by: Karrade Krise Wait...let me get this straight. Some 0.0 alliance has a REQUIREMENT to fit a DCUII on their ships? Or is it a cloak? I'm very curious of the potential for how fail this could be... He's referring to CVA's NRDS policy. What he's failing to consider is the random reds that still do pop up as they do anywhere in 0.0. So still pretty fail, I look forward to seeing the OP on a KB soon. Well, cosidering that you can't be targeted if you want to cloak, and in the system I usually rat in, there are too many people to watch who goes in and who goes out. I am noticing that the raven doesnt have the best cap. I do have a cap rechargerII but it isnt working great so I cant even tank two BS rats. Any suggestions?
Peckles	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:01:00 - [15] Your problem isnt cap, its resists, you have none of them. Work on improving that and you will hardly need to run the booster.
chinnychinchin	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:45:00 - [16] perfect [Raven, full gank] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II Co-Processor II Shield Boost Amplifier II Large Shield Booster II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II Cap Recharger II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Prototype Cloaking Device I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Harvester Mining Drone x5
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:26:00 - [17] Edited by: Furb Killer on 05/02/2009 11:30:34 Use peckless fit, just get rid of the cloak, switch it for a heavy neut. Cloak hurts your locking time, and there are too many people in provi anyway to cloak up everytime random people pass along. Then you probably can also drop the sensor booster for something else. Do note that while providence holders try to keep providence safe, your safety is not guaranteed. Watch intel channels and local, and if you are attacked immediatly report WHERE and by WHAT. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:06:00 - [18] [Raven] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Large YF-12a Smartbomb 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Vespa I x4 This is what i run for missions, passively tanked( i hate active tanking on PvE ships) Stats with my skills :320 dps, 20 mins of cap w/o smartbomb which is plenty since i dont run invulns full time. 274 sustained def. 70k effective hp , tanks 200 dps(EM)-400 dps(EXP) with this setup. Railgun is good for extra DPS when soloing which i can solo most level 4s( WITHOUT warping out) with this setup. This not to meant to be the best tank but its good for missions. if i need to i can completely tank( though i almost never have too unless im using this setup for 0.0 plexs) in which the stats would be:238 dps, 16 min cap, 554 sustained def, 78k effective hp , tanks 410(EM)-800(EXP) dps.If this for some reason wouldnt cut it i would switch one invuln to rat specific hardner, would lose the tp for this tank so a little slower on frig kills. For 0.0 i use the same basic fit but tractor and salvager in my highs and always run 2-3 BCS and a TP and a webber( loose a extender and invuln in my mids) and sometimes a cloak depending on where im ratting. i still have plenty of tank for 0.0 rats but i rat angels so you would probably want a rat spec hardner but i rarely use my hardner belt ratting 0.0
Theory666	Posted - 2009.02.06 20:58:00 - [19] Edited by: Theory666 on 06/02/2009 21:02:11 Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn [Raven] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Large YF-12a Smartbomb 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Vespa I x4 This is what i run for missions, passively tanked( i hate active tanking on PvE ships) Stats with my skills :320 dps, 20 mins of cap w/o smartbomb which is plenty since i dont run invulns full time. 274 sustained def. 70k effective hp , tanks 200 dps(EM)-400 dps(EXP) with this setup. Railgun is good for extra DPS when soloing which i can solo most level 4s( WITHOUT warping out) with this setup. This not to meant to be the best tank but its good for missions. if i need to i can completely tank( though i almost never have too unless im using this setup for 0.0 plexs) in which the stats would be:238 dps, 16 min cap, 554 sustained def, 78k effective hp , tanks 410(EM)-800(EXP) dps.If this for some reason wouldnt cut it i would switch one invuln to rat specific hardner, would lose the tp for this tank so a little slower on frig kills. For 0.0 i use the same basic fit but tractor and salvager in my highs and always run 2-3 BCS and a TP and a webber( loose a extender and invuln in my mids) and sometimes a cloak depending on where im ratting. i still have plenty of tank for 0.0 rats but i rat angels so you would probably want a rat spec hardner but i rarely use my hardner belt ratting 0.0 Here is my version: Raven Cruise Missile Launcher II [27xParadise Cruise Missile] Cruise Missile Launcher II [27xParadise Cruise Missile] Cruise Missile Launcher II [27xParadise Cruise Missile] Cruise Missile Launcher II [27xParadise Cruise Missile] Cruise Missile Launcher II [27xParadise Cruise Missile] Cruise Missile Launcher II [27xParadise Cruise Missile] Turret Slot Turret Slot Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Ballistic Control System I Ballistic Control System I Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Rigs : Empty Slot \ Empty Slot \ Empty Slot \ 15375 shield, 46.7/s, E/T/K/Ex=48/58/68/79 7969 armor, E/T/K/Ex=59/44/25/10 6640.625 cap, +7.63/s, -7.92/s 138.0 m/s 117.7 DPS Why do I always have low DPS. And is this quickfit wrong? I cant go 138 m/s and I do do more than 117.7 DPS ocasionally its over 300 but usually its 200 or sometimes its 100 or lower. I have version 1.4c
velmistr Ecco Caldari InNova Tech Inc Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.06 22:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Theory666 ... And is this quickfit wrong? ... I have version 1.4c Quickfit is not updated anymore. Use Eve Fitting Tool instead. Quote: Weirdtopia > i need help in eve Bloodspoon > ...you installed eve? Weirdtopia > ya 14 day trial Bloodspoon > did you unistall WoW Weirdtopia > no Bloodspoon > then i can't help ya
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Free Ammatar Aid Organisation	Posted - 2009.02.07 00:37:00 - [21] Edited by: Rhatar Khurin on 07/02/2009 00:39:33 crap double post.
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Free Ammatar Aid Organisation	Posted - 2009.02.07 00:38:00 - [22] Edited by: Rhatar Khurin on 07/02/2009 00:39:07 Originally by: Theory666 Originally by: Spaztick MY RAVEN WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I Thats a good setup, except I am looking for a more T2 setup, soon I will be able to use BCU II. lmao. I hope that reply was merely out of politeness rather than you actually thinnk thats a good fit.
Theory666	Posted - 2009.02.07 20:40:00 - [23] Originally by: Rhatar Khurin Edited by: Rhatar Khurin on 07/02/2009 00:39:07 Originally by: Theory666 Originally by: Spaztick MY RAVEN WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I Thats a good setup, except I am looking for a more T2 setup, soon I will be able to use BCU II. lmao. I hope that reply was merely out of politeness rather than you actually thinnk thats a good fit. I prefer to be nice and polite to people rather than tell them that what they have is crap.
Theory666	Posted - 2009.02.07 20:53:00 - [24] thanks to someone who recommended the eve fitting tool (I was using quick fit it was horrible) I found one that stays stable! Now all I need is the money! [Raven, Raven: 0.0 ratting stable] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Cap Recharger II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Shield Boost Amplifier I Shield Boost Amplifier I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Poast Warrior Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:20:00 - [25] You don't need to be cap stable. At all. James' fit is the best one.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.08 00:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Theory666 great. Does anyone know what to put in the last two hi-slots? and what can I use instead of the 4th BCU? I usually put a salvager in one but what do I put in the other? If you're really confident of your safety, then a salvager and tractor is the the traditional for PvE. But for zero-zero ratting, I find the value of 'something' to stop me getting killed in a belt is immeasurable.
Theory666	Posted - 2009.02.08 00:30:00 - [27] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: Theory666 great. Does anyone know what to put in the last two hi-slots? and what can I use instead of the 4th BCU? I usually put a salvager in one but what do I put in the other? If you're really confident of your safety, then a salvager and tractor is the the traditional for PvE. But for zero-zero ratting, I find the value of 'something' to stop me getting killed in a belt is immeasurable. what would you suggest? I figured out if I can put dual 250 guns on to. And for the person who said that james build was the best, -it needs 897.4 CPU which I dont have currently -The cap only lasts 1m 2s
Poast Warrior Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.02.08 00:35:00 - [28] Can you make his "theme" fit with named modules? As long as you're cap stable w/ the DC and the hardners on (I'm sure you will be) you're fine. You'll only need the shield booster in between belts.
Malakai0 M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.02.08 01:01:00 - [29] ratting vs gurista everything t2 6 torp mwd, 2 kin 1 therm actives, painter, large booster 3 bcu 2 pdu 3x CCC (just cuz this used to be mission ship, rigs not necessary for this) 5 vespa II (and 2 spares) IMO cruise for ratting makes your isk/hour suck pretty bad solo.
Theory666	Posted - 2009.02.08 01:28:00 - [30] Edited by: Theory666 on 08/02/2009 01:29:15 Originally by: Malakai0 ratting vs gurista everything t2 6 torp mwd, 2 kin 1 therm actives, painter, large booster 3 bcu 2 pdu 3x CCC (just cuz this used to be mission ship, rigs not necessary for this) 5 vespa II (and 2 spares) IMO cruise for ratting makes your isk/hour suck pretty bad solo. what is the difference between torps and cruise anyways? And I have cruise and cruise specilization to lvl 5 and my DPS still sucks

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