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Littlalin
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Posted - 2004.08.03 02:52:00 -
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first I would like that the electro blasters would decrease in grid.
since it¦s seems like dom will never get grid increase wich so many wanted since she sufferd much on loosing the ability to use armor harders.
why not reduce grid on the electro to perhaps 1k?
close combat ships need moduls like web and dom can¦t fit web, mwd, and then shield tank, ( not even to mentioned the warscramble and cap injectots wich were popular choise while she could armor tank)
3 slots to shield tank combined to low cap, low shileds with mwd is just realy bad defence even for a short time, so u practicaly have to land on target if u are gona beat a decent player with good firepower.
If u don¦t fit web now many ships will get soon out of optimal range of dom and therefor she will start making much less damage to his targets.
2 things I would like to see for gallente bs.
1. bit more cap on galente bs, the only thing they have is some more firepower than others upclose, personly I think they should have an easyer time to sustain mwd
I¦m sure u can make awsome closerange figters on amarr ships, minmatar and now caldary with torps. Well raven has allways been awsome close and med range fighter, he just got better. fact is though that all other ships get better closerange fighters due to the grid increase that they got, (except the caldary but they got the torps)
few observations feel free to tear them apart if u can 
what other rases have that make them to close in quality as close range fighers as gallente ships.
1. what amarr has more and dose better than galente as closerange ship is it has much more cap and more armor. Therefor can mwd longer time to get to target, has better abiltiy to set up good defencive setup.
2. what minmatar do better than Gallente is it has more speed, no cap on ammo, therfor can put more into defence, has easyer time to keep up with target, might not need web, dose bit more damage if target is further away due to falloff, (not saying that gallente dose not overall more damage)
3. caldary can do insane damage now with torps and uses no cap with missles fits easly warpscrambler or web if he wishes and keeps up good defence with 3 harders
I admitt u can now make the Megathron with more firepower than before if u so wish altough I think he deseves bit more cap and more cap would make him more viable to use the mwd since that is gallente trade to get up close....right? u can¦t if your opnent has mwd allso forexsamble.
By going up close u risk lot, u might be webed allso wich would be very bad if u did not have web, so seems to me hes a must, u migh be capdrained if u go under 20km and warpscrambled, so just a thought is the benefit of going closerange combat that great except the extra adrenalin
I think the dom lost much so why not give her the ability to use the electro more easly before she has to resort to med guns and increase his cap for about 400 allso.
Just my thoughts atm, so plz comment I¦d like to hear what u have to say to some of this, some of the things might be bit overstatement but it¦s just as I see it now.
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Littlalin
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Posted - 2004.08.03 02:52:00 -
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first I would like that the electro blasters would decrease in grid.
since it¦s seems like dom will never get grid increase wich so many wanted since she sufferd much on loosing the ability to use armor harders.
why not reduce grid on the electro to perhaps 1k?
close combat ships need moduls like web and dom can¦t fit web, mwd, and then shield tank, ( not even to mentioned the warscramble and cap injectots wich were popular choise while she could armor tank)
3 slots to shield tank combined to low cap, low shileds with mwd is just realy bad defence even for a short time, so u practicaly have to land on target if u are gona beat a decent player with good firepower.
If u don¦t fit web now many ships will get soon out of optimal range of dom and therefor she will start making much less damage to his targets.
2 things I would like to see for gallente bs.
1. bit more cap on galente bs, the only thing they have is some more firepower than others upclose, personly I think they should have an easyer time to sustain mwd
I¦m sure u can make awsome closerange figters on amarr ships, minmatar and now caldary with torps. Well raven has allways been awsome close and med range fighter, he just got better. fact is though that all other ships get better closerange fighters due to the grid increase that they got, (except the caldary but they got the torps)
few observations feel free to tear them apart if u can
what other rases have that make them to close in quality as close range fighers as gallente ships.
1. what amarr has more and dose better than galente as closerange ship is it has much more cap and more armor. Therefor can mwd longer time to get to target, has better abiltiy to set up good defencive setup.
2. what minmatar do better than Gallente is it has more speed, no cap on ammo, therfor can put more into defence, has easyer time to keep up with target, might not need web, dose bit more damage if target is further away due to falloff, (not saying that gallente dose not overall more damage)
3. caldary can do insane damage now with torps and uses no cap with missles fits easly warpscrambler or web if he wishes and keeps up good defence with 3 harders
I admitt u can now make the Megathron with more firepower than before if u so wish altough I think he deseves bit more cap and more cap would make him more viable to use the mwd since that is gallente trade to get up close....right? u can¦t if your opnent has mwd allso forexsamble.
By going up close u risk lot, u might be webed allso wich would be very bad if u did not have web, so seems to me hes a must, u migh be capdrained if u go under 20km and warpscrambled, so just a thought is the benefit of going closerange combat that great except the extra adrenalin
I think the dom lost much so why not give her the ability to use the electro more easly before she has to resort to med guns and increase his cap for about 400 allso.
Just my thoughts atm, so plz comment I¦d like to hear what u have to say to some of this, some of the things might be bit overstatement but it¦s just as I see it now.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.03 03:05:00 -
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Electron blasters are useless. frigate and cruiser nuetron blasters outdamage them.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.03 03:05:00 -
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Electron blasters are useless. frigate and cruiser nuetron blasters outdamage them.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.03 03:13:00 -
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Just use 6 Cruiser Sized Nuetron Blasters, they outdamage the electrons anyways :-P Try to get named ones though.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.03 03:13:00 -
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Just use 6 Cruiser Sized Nuetron Blasters, they outdamage the electrons anyways :-P Try to get named ones though.
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Littlalin
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Posted - 2004.08.03 06:44:00 -
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I don¦t agree with that electro are useless, they would be more usefull if they had lower grid since grid is major problem on the dom, it might be possible that med modal nautron blasters did simular damage as Large electro I¦ve not calculated it but that¦s just silly argument to have to go to med blasters, bs get bonus for large weppons and modal electro on skilled gallente player would out damge the med modal nautrons for sure by far.
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Littlalin
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Posted - 2004.08.03 06:44:00 -
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I don¦t agree with that electro are useless, they would be more usefull if they had lower grid since grid is major problem on the dom, it might be possible that med modal nautron blasters did simular damage as Large electro I¦ve not calculated it but that¦s just silly argument to have to go to med blasters, bs get bonus for large weppons and modal electro on skilled gallente player would out damge the med modal nautrons for sure by far.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2004.08.03 07:56:00 -
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Yep they do out damage the med neutrons.
Though it isn't by a whole lot, thank goodnees you get a skill/ship bonus for it other wise they would indeed be usless.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2004.08.03 07:56:00 -
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Yep they do out damage the med neutrons.
Though it isn't by a whole lot, thank goodnees you get a skill/ship bonus for it other wise they would indeed be usless.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.08.03 07:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Cruz
Electron blasters are useless. frigate and cruiser nuetron blasters outdamage them.
You better hope Dalman doesn't notice this.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.08.03 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Electron blasters are useless. frigate and cruiser nuetron blasters outdamage them.
You better hope Dalman doesn't notice this.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Constantina
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Posted - 2004.08.03 08:00:00 -
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I agree L elec blasters are fine damage wise but would be cool if dominix gets not more grid that they would be lowerd in grid to 1k or atleast 1.25k the same as 250mm duals L.
would make it easyer to fit moduls like the large capinjectors, mwd together even make the dom able to armor tank again since shield is hardly and option for close combat.
Dom seems to be getting more effective in fleet though when the drones get more speed and since he got the 350mm guns , but I like it close and personal and that¦s what galente should do best and I would say they do that although other ships races can be quite effective allso and might be questionable if dom dose that the second best now, I¦d say that Megathron is the best closerange ship as intended atm. Raven allways gives the Mega good compatition since he often has the kinetic shield harder and with it he has 70% resistanc against it.
Dom is an lowslot based ship even though he has 5 medslots so I find that he should have the option to armor tank, he needs the medslots for web capinjectors preferable and mwd + even warpscramblers. Going close should be rewarding since the risk is high and to get rewarding Dom needs the warpscramblers allso Imhp.
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Constantina
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Posted - 2004.08.03 08:00:00 -
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I agree L elec blasters are fine damage wise but would be cool if dominix gets not more grid that they would be lowerd in grid to 1k or atleast 1.25k the same as 250mm duals L.
would make it easyer to fit moduls like the large capinjectors, mwd together even make the dom able to armor tank again since shield is hardly and option for close combat.
Dom seems to be getting more effective in fleet though when the drones get more speed and since he got the 350mm guns , but I like it close and personal and that¦s what galente should do best and I would say they do that although other ships races can be quite effective allso and might be questionable if dom dose that the second best now, I¦d say that Megathron is the best closerange ship as intended atm. Raven allways gives the Mega good compatition since he often has the kinetic shield harder and with it he has 70% resistanc against it.
Dom is an lowslot based ship even though he has 5 medslots so I find that he should have the option to armor tank, he needs the medslots for web capinjectors preferable and mwd + even warpscramblers. Going close should be rewarding since the risk is high and to get rewarding Dom needs the warpscramblers allso Imhp.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.08.03 08:35:00 -
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Do you need rcu's or pdu's to fit 6 L electron ?
Yes ? Then fit 6 medium neutron istead anf il those gaps with damage mods.
that should get you better dot, and certainly better tracking.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.08.03 08:35:00 -
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Do you need rcu's or pdu's to fit 6 L electron ?
Yes ? Then fit 6 medium neutron istead anf il those gaps with damage mods.
that should get you better dot, and certainly better tracking.
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Auman
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Posted - 2004.08.03 10:41:00 -
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close combat ships need moduls like web and dom can¦t fit web, mwd, and then shield tank, ( not even to mentioned the warscramble and cap injectots wich were popular choise while she could armor tank)
Ummm close combat ships shouldn't be able to shield tank. You sacrifice tanking for much higher damage output. Also as you said you need the med slots for other things. Go for armour tanking/improving. The idea is to kill your opponent not out last him.
Also L Electron blasters kick ass. They nearly always get excellent hits and have a good ROF.
I know from first hand experience that a dom can armour tank and still deal out decent damage. Get your drone skills maxed out and that will help a lot.
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Auman
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Posted - 2004.08.03 10:41:00 -
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close combat ships need moduls like web and dom can¦t fit web, mwd, and then shield tank, ( not even to mentioned the warscramble and cap injectots wich were popular choise while she could armor tank)
Ummm close combat ships shouldn't be able to shield tank. You sacrifice tanking for much higher damage output. Also as you said you need the med slots for other things. Go for armour tanking/improving. The idea is to kill your opponent not out last him.
Also L Electron blasters kick ass. They nearly always get excellent hits and have a good ROF.
I know from first hand experience that a dom can armour tank and still deal out decent damage. Get your drone skills maxed out and that will help a lot.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.08.03 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Cruz
Electron blasters are useless. frigate and cruiser nuetron blasters outdamage them.
You better hope Dalman doesn't notice this.
Damn right.
As your ship gets a bonus to large weapons, there's no way you can score more damage with smaller guns.
7 L modal electron blasters + 3 damagemods + 4 lows for armor tanking = win, on a megathron.
On the domi though... I tried to do a fitting, but yea, it has too little grid for anything than rails + shieldtank. So for a 1vs1 domi you'll have to fit some medium guns.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.08.03 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Cruz
Electron blasters are useless. frigate and cruiser nuetron blasters outdamage them.
You better hope Dalman doesn't notice this.
Damn right.
As your ship gets a bonus to large weapons, there's no way you can score more damage with smaller guns.
7 L modal electron blasters + 3 damagemods + 4 lows for armor tanking = win, on a megathron.
On the domi though... I tried to do a fitting, but yea, it has too little grid for anything than rails + shieldtank. So for a 1vs1 domi you'll have to fit some medium guns.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.08.03 11:05:00 -
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So for a 1vs1 domi you'll have to fit some medium guns.
Or go for something much more imaginative. The Domi is not a ship for people who have rigid loadouts on their minds the whole time.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.08.03 11:05:00 -
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So for a 1vs1 domi you'll have to fit some medium guns.
Or go for something much more imaginative. The Domi is not a ship for people who have rigid loadouts on their minds the whole time.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Constantina
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Posted - 2004.08.03 11:32:00 -
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So for a 1vs1 domi you'll have to fit some medium guns.
My question is this and I¦ve asked before on this forum.
(hehe not realy expecting answer)
why should dom have to resort to med weppons when armor tanking when all other bs of any race can armortank and use lowest grid Large weppons they are expected to use, even raven wich is not suposted to be armor tanker can use cruise lauchers and armor tank.....
so why not dom with electro. Changing theyre grid to 1k whont affect others ships much I¦m sure. It¦s easy enough for the Megathron to fit them as it is.
Dominix can have much more firepower with ionblasters/nautron blasters if he shield tanks, or electro and fitt his lowslots with damage mods. If he wants to armor tank and chooses electro blasters he has less firepower so why not give him this ability to choose between setups?
He can choose now but not beeing able to use large weppons wich his skills suport wich is anoing to say the least and since all others ships can armortank and use large weppons then I find that the dom should allso be able to do that. He had much easyer time with that before the path.
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Constantina
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Posted - 2004.08.03 11:32:00 -
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So for a 1vs1 domi you'll have to fit some medium guns.
My question is this and I¦ve asked before on this forum.
(hehe not realy expecting answer)
why should dom have to resort to med weppons when armor tanking when all other bs of any race can armortank and use lowest grid Large weppons they are expected to use, even raven wich is not suposted to be armor tanker can use cruise lauchers and armor tank.....
so why not dom with electro. Changing theyre grid to 1k whont affect others ships much I¦m sure. It¦s easy enough for the Megathron to fit them as it is.
Dominix can have much more firepower with ionblasters/nautron blasters if he shield tanks, or electro and fitt his lowslots with damage mods. If he wants to armor tank and chooses electro blasters he has less firepower so why not give him this ability to choose between setups?
He can choose now but not beeing able to use large weppons wich his skills suport wich is anoing to say the least and since all others ships can armortank and use large weppons then I find that the dom should allso be able to do that. He had much easyer time with that before the path.
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Constantina
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Posted - 2004.08.03 11:50:00 -
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Or go for something much more imaginative. The Domi is not a ship for people who have rigid loadouts on their minds the whole time.
Well I think it would be safe to say that u can go imaginative with allmost any ship realy, dom is not much differant than the others on that. True he has 1 more med + lowslots than all other ships except Scorpion wich has the same amount of med + lowslots.
before patch it was easyer to try something imaginative and get away with it on dom.
let¦s say u want to use L nosferatos, they take 2k grid, u have to go shield tank wich is ok but dose not leave much room for imagination there realy. U don¦t have the grid to use Nos and armortank.....well unless u use perhaps 3 nos 3 medguns, but then u are back to medium guns. not saying that 6 nos and kill with drones would not be ok, but u could put this same setup on most ships in some form atm.
Even though I don¦t like using medium guns don¦t misunderstand me. I do use them if I¦m armor tanking on dom, there is no other way. I just want my skills on the bs to suport the weppons I¦m using
even if I had trained for caldary ships I could choose between so many setups and one is armortanking and less firepower.
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Constantina
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Posted - 2004.08.03 11:50:00 -
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Or go for something much more imaginative. The Domi is not a ship for people who have rigid loadouts on their minds the whole time.
Well I think it would be safe to say that u can go imaginative with allmost any ship realy, dom is not much differant than the others on that. True he has 1 more med + lowslots than all other ships except Scorpion wich has the same amount of med + lowslots.
before patch it was easyer to try something imaginative and get away with it on dom.
let¦s say u want to use L nosferatos, they take 2k grid, u have to go shield tank wich is ok but dose not leave much room for imagination there realy. U don¦t have the grid to use Nos and armortank.....well unless u use perhaps 3 nos 3 medguns, but then u are back to medium guns. not saying that 6 nos and kill with drones would not be ok, but u could put this same setup on most ships in some form atm.
Even though I don¦t like using medium guns don¦t misunderstand me. I do use them if I¦m armor tanking on dom, there is no other way. I just want my skills on the bs to suport the weppons I¦m using
even if I had trained for caldary ships I could choose between so many setups and one is armortanking and less firepower.
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thebold
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Posted - 2004.08.03 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Electron blasters are useless. frigate and cruiser nuetron blasters outdamage them.
you clearly have no expirence with this type of gun
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thebold
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Posted - 2004.08.03 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Electron blasters are useless. frigate and cruiser nuetron blasters outdamage them.
you clearly have no expirence with this type of gun
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.08.03 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Electron blasters are useless. frigate and cruiser nuetron blasters outdamage them.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.08.03 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Electron blasters are useless. frigate and cruiser nuetron blasters outdamage them.
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