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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.08.03 12:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Constantina
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Or go for something much more imaginative. The Domi is not a ship for people who have rigid loadouts on their minds the whole time.
Well I think it would be safe to say that u can go imaginative with allmost any ship realy, dom is not much differant than the others on that. True he has 1 more med + lowslots than all other ships except Scorpion wich has the same amount of med + lowslots.
before patch it was easyer to try something imaginative and get away with it on dom.
let¦s say u want to use L nosferatos, they take 2k grid, u have to go shield tank wich is ok but dose not leave much room for imagination there realy. U don¦t have the grid to use Nos and armortank.....well unless u use perhaps 3 nos 3 medguns, but then u are back to medium guns. not saying that 6 nos and kill with drones would not be ok, but u could put this same setup on most ships in some form atm.
Even though I don¦t like using medium guns don¦t misunderstand me. I do use them if I¦m armor tanking on dom, there is no other way. I just want my skills on the bs to suport the weppons I¦m using
even if I had trained for caldary ships I could choose between so many setups and one is armortanking and less firepower.
For 1v1 you will find it very hard finding a balance with large guns and decent damage combined with tanking.
The Domi just isn't cut out for it.
A duelist Domi needs to rely on other things.
Now as part of a gang your options are to go as untanked or poorly tanked damage dealer which the Domi can be very good at, or as heavy tanked energy or ecm support ship.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.08.03 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Constantina
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Or go for something much more imaginative. The Domi is not a ship for people who have rigid loadouts on their minds the whole time.
Well I think it would be safe to say that u can go imaginative with allmost any ship realy, dom is not much differant than the others on that. True he has 1 more med + lowslots than all other ships except Scorpion wich has the same amount of med + lowslots.
before patch it was easyer to try something imaginative and get away with it on dom.
let¦s say u want to use L nosferatos, they take 2k grid, u have to go shield tank wich is ok but dose not leave much room for imagination there realy. U don¦t have the grid to use Nos and armortank.....well unless u use perhaps 3 nos 3 medguns, but then u are back to medium guns. not saying that 6 nos and kill with drones would not be ok, but u could put this same setup on most ships in some form atm.
Even though I don¦t like using medium guns don¦t misunderstand me. I do use them if I¦m armor tanking on dom, there is no other way. I just want my skills on the bs to suport the weppons I¦m using
even if I had trained for caldary ships I could choose between so many setups and one is armortanking and less firepower.
For 1v1 you will find it very hard finding a balance with large guns and decent damage combined with tanking.
The Domi just isn't cut out for it.
A duelist Domi needs to rely on other things.
Now as part of a gang your options are to go as untanked or poorly tanked damage dealer which the Domi can be very good at, or as heavy tanked energy or ecm support ship.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.03 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Cruz on 03/08/2004 13:27:24
Originally by: Lorth
Yep they do out damage the med neutrons.
Though it isn't by a whole lot, thank goodnees you get a skill/ship bonus for it other wise they would indeed be usless.
 I forgot about the ship bonus 
Ohh and L Electron Blasters outdamage Heavy Nuetron Blasters by only 13%...
Assuming you have Modal Nuetron Blasters though, you can outdamage thoseL Electron blasters, plus think about the grid you save!! You can armor tank or shield tank the domi to hell and back with all that extra grid
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.03 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Cruz on 03/08/2004 13:27:24
Originally by: Lorth
Yep they do out damage the med neutrons.
Though it isn't by a whole lot, thank goodnees you get a skill/ship bonus for it other wise they would indeed be usless.
I forgot about the ship bonus
Ohh and L Electron Blasters outdamage Heavy Nuetron Blasters by only 13%...
Assuming you have Modal Nuetron Blasters though, you can outdamage thoseL Electron blasters, plus think about the grid you save!! You can armor tank or shield tank the domi to hell and back with all that extra grid
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Max Zavier
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Posted - 2004.08.03 20:18:00 -
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I find domi has just has to little grid so I think he should get a grid increas. But I guess reducing Large electroblasters grid would be allso fine.
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Max Zavier
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Posted - 2004.08.03 20:18:00 -
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I find domi has just has to little grid so I think he should get a grid increas. But I guess reducing Large electroblasters grid would be allso fine.
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Ptera
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Posted - 2004.08.03 20:31:00 -
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Why not just use the Dom for what it was made for? ItÆs the best carrier in the game. You can easily use the mediums and tank at the same time, while you continue to send wave after wave of drones out to finish the job.
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Ptera
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Posted - 2004.08.03 20:31:00 -
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Why not just use the Dom for what it was made for? ItÆs the best carrier in the game. You can easily use the mediums and tank at the same time, while you continue to send wave after wave of drones out to finish the job.
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deathbyfire
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Posted - 2004.08.03 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ptera
Why not just use the Dom for what it was made for? ItÆs the best carrier in the game. You can easily use the mediums and tank at the same time, while you continue to send wave after wave of drones out to finish the job.
yeah do what i do when i fly it fit med blasters and then armor or shild tank it and let its 30 heavy drones do all the damage.
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deathbyfire
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Posted - 2004.08.03 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ptera
Why not just use the Dom for what it was made for? ItÆs the best carrier in the game. You can easily use the mediums and tank at the same time, while you continue to send wave after wave of drones out to finish the job.
yeah do what i do when i fly it fit med blasters and then armor or shild tank it and let its 30 heavy drones do all the damage.
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Evolve and adapt or die.
The choice is yours to make and no one elses.
"Your current safe bounries were once unsafe frontiers"-unknown
"Stupid people, can't live with them, and can't kill them because there would only be 1000 people left to play eve."-Me :D |
Croesus
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Posted - 2004.08.03 21:30:00 -
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yes, use the drones fool, its obvious that u have no experience with the dom. I use the dom all the time in my agent kill missions and its the best drone carrier in the game. With those drones medium weapons are plenty good u just need to adapt. Since your obviously no good I would use the thorax if i were you until you have a basic understanding of what your talking about. tralala.
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Croesus
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Posted - 2004.08.03 21:30:00 -
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yes, use the drones fool, its obvious that u have no experience with the dom. I use the dom all the time in my agent kill missions and its the best drone carrier in the game. With those drones medium weapons are plenty good u just need to adapt. Since your obviously no good I would use the thorax if i were you until you have a basic understanding of what your talking about. tralala.
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Titus Groan
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Posted - 2004.08.03 21:33:00 -
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Seems to me that noone is saying that they don¦t use it as a drone carryer, they r saying why u need to use medguns if u armortank, u get bonus for using Large guns but u don¦t when using medum. I agree that domi should have the option to use some kind of large blasters and armortank. Let the player gain from having trained the bs level other than just get the extra drone (not that the extra drone is not cool)
so I agree give the domi more grid or reduce the electro
saying "why don¦t u just use 30 heavydrones to do all the damage"
I¦m not sure u know what u are saying, I¦m sure u know that 15 drones is the max at one time and the drones will never be able to do more damage than those 15 on the same time. Even if u loose on drone and send out another then u are only doing the same damage as before. So let 15 heavy drones do all the damage would make more sence, and that is if u are insanly well trained.
Medium modal nautron blasters are not bad on the domi still if u use them or have to use them, there is not much incentive to train long skills like gallente bs lev 5 for 50 days if u only get 1 drone.....right?? and not even the 5% extra on the largeguns. Even both skills contribute not so much for such a long skill to train but people might consider it if they don¦t have to use medguns atleast.
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Titus Groan
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Posted - 2004.08.03 21:33:00 -
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Seems to me that noone is saying that they don¦t use it as a drone carryer, they r saying why u need to use medguns if u armortank, u get bonus for using Large guns but u don¦t when using medum. I agree that domi should have the option to use some kind of large blasters and armortank. Let the player gain from having trained the bs level other than just get the extra drone (not that the extra drone is not cool)
so I agree give the domi more grid or reduce the electro
saying "why don¦t u just use 30 heavydrones to do all the damage"
I¦m not sure u know what u are saying, I¦m sure u know that 15 drones is the max at one time and the drones will never be able to do more damage than those 15 on the same time. Even if u loose on drone and send out another then u are only doing the same damage as before. So let 15 heavy drones do all the damage would make more sence, and that is if u are insanly well trained.
Medium modal nautron blasters are not bad on the domi still if u use them or have to use them, there is not much incentive to train long skills like gallente bs lev 5 for 50 days if u only get 1 drone.....right?? and not even the 5% extra on the largeguns. Even both skills contribute not so much for such a long skill to train but people might consider it if they don¦t have to use medguns atleast.
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Constantina
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Posted - 2004.08.04 11:27:00 -
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Why not just use the Dom for what it was made for? ItÆs the best carrier in the game. You can easily use the mediums and tank at the same time, while you continue to send wave after wave of drones out to finish the job.
so u think he¦s maid for medium weppons? then why not just give him bonus for med guns??
sorry but this statement dose not help in anyway, all know he¦s a drone carrier and the best one at that but he is a bs and is maid for large weppons. It seems to me that players that are just doing agent missions or perhaps some npc hunting find it that they can only fit med guns since they find that they are doing good and those missions easy.
and well we all know that if u fit smaller guns on a ship u have bundance of grid for anything u want. But what I want is that if u have trained skills to max and use the worst gun/weppon of the size the ship is ment for u should be able to use armor tanking.
All other ships of other races can do that. Electro blasters are the worst large blasters damage wise so I find that dom should be able to use them more easly.
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Constantina
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Posted - 2004.08.04 11:27:00 -
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Why not just use the Dom for what it was made for? ItÆs the best carrier in the game. You can easily use the mediums and tank at the same time, while you continue to send wave after wave of drones out to finish the job.
so u think he¦s maid for medium weppons? then why not just give him bonus for med guns??
sorry but this statement dose not help in anyway, all know he¦s a drone carrier and the best one at that but he is a bs and is maid for large weppons. It seems to me that players that are just doing agent missions or perhaps some npc hunting find it that they can only fit med guns since they find that they are doing good and those missions easy.
and well we all know that if u fit smaller guns on a ship u have bundance of grid for anything u want. But what I want is that if u have trained skills to max and use the worst gun/weppon of the size the ship is ment for u should be able to use armor tanking.
All other ships of other races can do that. Electro blasters are the worst large blasters damage wise so I find that dom should be able to use them more easly.
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Ptera
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Posted - 2004.08.04 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ptera on 04/08/2004 14:32:56
Originally by: Constantina
so u think he¦s maid for medium weppons? then why not just give him bonus for med guns??
sorry but this statement dose not help in anyway, all know he¦s a drone carrier and the best one at that but he is a bs and is maid for large weppons. It seems to me that players that are just doing agent missions or perhaps some npc hunting find it that they can only fit med guns since they find that they are doing good and those missions easy.
and well we all know that if u fit smaller guns on a ship u have bundance of grid for anything u want. But what I want is that if u have trained skills to max and use the worst gun/weppon of the size the ship is ment for u should be able to use armor tanking.
All other ships of other races can do that. Electro blasters are the worst large blasters damage wise so I find that dom should be able to use them more easly.
All I was trying to point out is that if you want to use your dom as armor tank, you are going to have to sacrifice your large weapons for mediums. I know it stinks and I wish it changed too. You will have to rely on your drones and not your weapons.
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Ptera
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Posted - 2004.08.04 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ptera on 04/08/2004 14:32:56
Originally by: Constantina
so u think he¦s maid for medium weppons? then why not just give him bonus for med guns??
sorry but this statement dose not help in anyway, all know he¦s a drone carrier and the best one at that but he is a bs and is maid for large weppons. It seems to me that players that are just doing agent missions or perhaps some npc hunting find it that they can only fit med guns since they find that they are doing good and those missions easy.
and well we all know that if u fit smaller guns on a ship u have bundance of grid for anything u want. But what I want is that if u have trained skills to max and use the worst gun/weppon of the size the ship is ment for u should be able to use armor tanking.
All other ships of other races can do that. Electro blasters are the worst large blasters damage wise so I find that dom should be able to use them more easly.
All I was trying to point out is that if you want to use your dom as armor tank, you are going to have to sacrifice your large weapons for mediums. I know it stinks and I wish it changed too. You will have to rely on your drones and not your weapons.
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Millia Rage
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Posted - 2004.08.05 10:27:00 -
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Ummm close combat ships shouldn't be able to shield tank. You sacrifice tanking for much higher damage output. Also as you said you need the med slots for other things. Go for armour tanking/improving. The idea is to kill your opponent not out last him.
Seems like Tomb only wants Dominix to be a shiled tank though  even though gallente are considerd closerange fighters.
I wanted him to get more grid like the others ships to keep with simular setups that were possible before the patch but reducting the grid of the L elec blaters seems like good option to me.
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Millia Rage
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Posted - 2004.08.05 10:27:00 -
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Ummm close combat ships shouldn't be able to shield tank. You sacrifice tanking for much higher damage output. Also as you said you need the med slots for other things. Go for armour tanking/improving. The idea is to kill your opponent not out last him.
Seems like Tomb only wants Dominix to be a shiled tank though even though gallente are considerd closerange fighters.
I wanted him to get more grid like the others ships to keep with simular setups that were possible before the patch but reducting the grid of the L elec blaters seems like good option to me.
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