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milllo Minmatar Quatidion Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:21:00 - [1] Building a corporation and alliance takes years of hard work by many people. If the disbandment of Bob by one person stands then every corporation and alliance has to fear the same fate. Why then should anyone spend the time and effort to build large organizations? Something has to be changed to prevent this in the future. A simple fix would be requiring a week countdown for corporation disbandment and month countdown for alliance. It is not rocket science...
Zell Shadowcast Caldari The Greater Goon	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:23:00 - [2] How could this happen to me I've made my mistakes got nowhere to run The night goes on as IÆm fading away I'm sick of this life I just wanna scream How could this happen to me
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:24:00 - [3] The way you prevent this is either don't give out director roles. Or don't treat your members so badly that they'll take everything and disband your alliance. The measures to prevent this already exist in the game. Seriously, who would trust anyone in eve? http://obeythekitten.com/
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:24:00 - [4] we must make the world safe from mittens~~~
Two Knives Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:24:00 - [5] sorry nop
Daoi Sith Gallente Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:28:00 - [6] Edited by: Daoi Sith on 05/02/2009 07:29:12 i agree. the mechanic should be changed to a vote system or whatever makes sense. however, the button has been there for ??years?? why didnt anyone notice or care before it was bob that got pwned ? "The executor of an Alliance is given the authority to act on behalf of the Alliance in all matters. This authority is subject to review by the Alliance council. The limitation to a single executor simplifies the operation of the Alliance system, however it also places a great deal of responsibility on the member corporations to oversee the actions of the executor. At present there is no formal alliance-wide voting system on Alliance actions and policies in place, and while this is in development the use of a single executor corporation offers a suitable workaround when combined with the Declaration of Executor Support." Alliances
Joe Martin Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:29:00 - [7] Edited by: Joe Martin on 05/02/2009 07:30:49 Originally by: milllo Building a corporation and alliance takes years of hard work by many people. If the disbandment of Bob by one person stands then every corporation and alliance has to fear the same fate. Why then should anyone spend the time and effort to build large organizations? Something has to be changed to prevent this in the future. A simple fix would be requiring a week countdown for corporation disbandment and month countdown for alliance. It is not rocket science... This kind of thing can happen to corporations in the real world the same way. All it takes is one disgruntled person with all the passwords/access to make a giant mess of things. EDIT: Barring publicly owned corporations, of course. But the lapse of security isn't the game's fault, it's BoB's. Well run corporations usually pay the guys with the passwords/access obtuse amounts of money + whatever else they want so they don't do that kind of stuff though.
Tokenda Bong Caldari The Knights of Eire	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Daoi Sith Edited by: Daoi Sith on 05/02/2009 07:29:12 i agree. the mechanic should be changed to a vote system or whatever makes sense. however, the button has been there for ??years?? why didnt anyone notice or care before it was bob that got pwned ? "The executor of an Alliance is given the authority to act on behalf of the Alliance in all matters. This authority is subject to review by the Alliance council. The limitation to a single executor simplifies the operation of the Alliance system, however it also places a great deal of responsibility on the member corporations to oversee the actions of the executor. At present there is no formal alliance-wide voting system on Alliance actions and policies in place, and while this is in development the use of a single executor corporation offers a suitable workaround when combined with the Declaration of Executor Support." Alliances FYI BoB isnt the first victim of this. Can anyone spell "LV" or dozen other acronyms.
Webb Mordock Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:31:00 - [9] Various security holes are actually an intended feature by CCP, maybe you should try reading some of their help articles :toot:
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Tokenda Bong Originally by: Daoi Sith Edited by: Daoi Sith on 05/02/2009 07:29:12 i agree. the mechanic should be changed to a vote system or whatever makes sense. however, the button has been there for ??years?? why didnt anyone notice or care before it was bob that got pwned ? "The executor of an Alliance is given the authority to act on behalf of the Alliance in all matters. This authority is subject to review by the Alliance council. The limitation to a single executor simplifies the operation of the Alliance system, however it also places a great deal of responsibility on the member corporations to oversee the actions of the executor. At present there is no formal alliance-wide voting system on Alliance actions and policies in place, and while this is in development the use of a single executor corporation offers a suitable workaround when combined with the Declaration of Executor Support." Alliances FYI BoB isnt the first victim of this. Can anyone spell "LV" or dozen other acronyms. lv was disbanded naturally but ~goon hero~ firstname lastname used a corp to capture the name of the alliance we took this idea and used it for bob to props to fnln
Mecinia Lua Minmatar Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:33:00 - [11] Yep Tokenda and that's why CCP won't save BoB, however I do believe the ex BoB corps will reform as a new alliance.
Aaron Mirrorsaver Gallente R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:33:00 - [12] try auditing roles every now and then, why is someone afk from game forever still in a director position? anyway...hear he was mad bob was blue with A c/d?
mamolian Gallente Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:34:00 - [13] Not to worry Millo.. Cflux is on the batphone to ccp atm.. He'll get this **** sorted just you wait.
Daoi Sith Gallente Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Tokenda Bong Originally by: Daoi Sith Edited by: Daoi Sith on 05/02/2009 07:29:12 i agree. the mechanic should be changed to a vote system or whatever makes sense. however, the button has been there for ??years?? why didnt anyone notice or care before it was bob that got pwned ? "The executor of an Alliance is given the authority to act on behalf of the Alliance in all matters. This authority is subject to review by the Alliance council. The limitation to a single executor simplifies the operation of the Alliance system, however it also places a great deal of responsibility on the member corporations to oversee the actions of the executor. At present there is no formal alliance-wide voting system on Alliance actions and policies in place, and while this is in development the use of a single executor corporation offers a suitable workaround when combined with the Declaration of Executor Support." Alliances FYI BoB isnt the first victim of this. Can anyone spell "LV" or dozen other acronyms. which kind of proves the point that it was lax security, not metagaming or exploits. it was KNOWN that it could be done easily. so be extra careful with those directorships. all the claims of metagaming, exploits, etc is so much BS. EvE is harsh. you take away the harshness, you lose what makes it so renowned and so different from other games.
Corduroy Rab Gallente Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:39:00 - [15] You are absolutely right. I think all 0.0 space holding alliances should disband in protest.
Zarak1 Kenpach1 Minmatar R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:40:00 - [16] its a testament to the fatal flaws of trying to get a couple thousand players to work together. don't hate the playa hate the game yo
Zell Shadowcast Caldari The Greater Goon	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:43:00 - [17] I bet BoB are mad they didn't think of this with their director spy in goonswarm.
Molly Flanders Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:47:00 - [18] I agree - mechanics should be changed. It is not like any country disappear if you shoot its president down. CCP definitely did a botched job of this one.
Mecinia Lua Minmatar Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Molly Flanders I agree - mechanics should be changed. It is not like any country disappear if you shoot its president down. CCP definitely did a botched job of this one. I'll be surprised if this doesn't bring a future change, kinda like Privateers changed the war dec rules with their actions. Most likely it'll be a vote in the future if CCP can figure out how. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Pimparella Caldari Raging God's	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:55:00 - [20] Originally by: milllo Building a corporation and alliance takes years of hard work by many people. If the disbandment of Bob by one person stands then every corporation and alliance has to fear the same fate. Why then should anyone spend the time and effort to build large organizations? Something has to be changed to prevent this in the future. A simple fix would be requiring a week countdown for corporation disbandment and month countdown for alliance. It is not rocket science... yep, ccp should take actions against that exploit. you even have to wait 24 hours if you want to delete a character.
Static Kinetics Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:12:00 - [21] yeah because disbanding an entire alliance and stealing all their assets is so easy
Aideware Batha Caldari tr0pa de elite G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Static Kinetics yeah because disbanding an entire alliance and stealing all their assets is so easy like easy to be director in goons also, wait and see my friend revenge approach.
Viper ShizzIe Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:55:00 - [23] bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:07:00 - [24] I can make an alliance in less than an hour if I am paid enough! ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
HellsRazor Caldari Interstellar eXodus Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:17:00 - [25] I didnt follow all the posts regarding this or related topics and dont know alot about the mechanics to it but.... can't BOB just form a new alliance asap and all join it and once in effect all the systems where their pos's are will again take sovereignty?
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:19:00 - [26] Proper audit procedures and checks and balances have been lacking in this game for years. CCP has been notified many many times. Maybe now they wake up.
Quebber Caldari Cursed Souls Vort3x.	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:20:00 - [27] I agree with the OP, BOB was created as am sure we are all aware, well before it made sense to use an exec corp to create an alliance. There are some big alliances out there who also didnt use an exec corp create the alliance, i'd be a bit worried if i were them, and generally all alliances have to fear copycat attempts. Some people have said you need to be more careful who u give roles too, but tbh how do u check if someone is lying and are using a different account? - Eve needs a certain level of trust in order for people to work together, and for alliances especially on that kind of level to work.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:32:00 - [28] It's shockingly easy to prevent alliances being disbanded in this manner - all it takes is for a CEO to create an alt corp and shunt the executorship over to it.
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Aideware Batha Originally by: Static Kinetics yeah because disbanding an entire alliance and stealing all their assets is so easy like easy to be director in goons also, wait and see my friend revenge approach. have fun in empire
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:23:00 - [30] Considering it takes 24hrs to boot a player from your corp if they have roles, it seems somewhat simplistic that any director can just kick corps and then close alliance. While the mechanic is not to blame, I'm sure it could be improved.

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