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Poseign Amarr International House of PWNCakes B.L.A.C.K.	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Molly Flanders I agree - mechanics should be changed. It is not like any country disappear if you shoot its president down. CCP definitely did a botched job of this one. Do people really think of this issue like this? Not trying to be too mean here, but did the corporations, the Posses, the members, and the assets (other than the ones that were stolen from corporate hangers and such) dissapear when BoB disbanded? No. They are all still there, but have no governing alliance to keep them organized. Think of it more IRL as a country's government failing. Garuntee you if a country's government fails theres gonna be utter chaos in that country. Thats what BoB faces now, utter chaos untill they get it resolved (IF they get it resolved).
Dimitryy Gallente Aquila Victrix DEFI4NT	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:51:00 - [32] Originally by: milllo Building a corporation and alliance takes years of hard work by many people. If the disbandment of Bob by one person stands then every corporation and alliance has to fear the same fate. Why then should anyone spend the time and effort to build large organizations? Something has to be changed to prevent this in the future. A simple fix would be requiring a week countdown for corporation disbandment and month countdown for alliance. It is not rocket science... Or maybe something like an executor corp so not every director can disband an alliance, maybe put in roles so that only certain people can do certain things. Oh wait, they have that. Band of Brothers put their trust in the wrong person, it is not CCP's fault, it is Band of Brother's fault. The only person who should have full director status in the executor corp is the alliance leader. Simple, like you said, "not rocket science". This is BoB's fault, not ccp, not goons, Band of Brothers.
Assassinated Minmatar The Shadow's Of Eve	Posted - 2009.02.05 13:19:00 - [33] Edited by: Assassinated on 05/02/2009 13:23:23 Originally by: milllo Building a corporation and alliance takes years of hard work by many people. If the disbandment of Bob by one person stands then every corporation and alliance has to fear the same fate. Why then should anyone spend the time and effort to build large organizations? Something has to be changed to prevent this in the future. A simple fix would be requiring a week countdown for corporation disbandment and month countdown for alliance. It is not rocket science... Ahhh, proud proud little corp alliance goes down the hole. Let me quote CCP's FAQ: Originally by: CCP 1.11 How does the massively multiplayer aspect of the EVE affect game play? The basic role-playing and space simulation aspects of EVE are really just the tip of the iceberg. When players band together to form factions and alliances, the game progresses to a more grand-scale strategic level. Political intrigue, corporate espionage and the very essence of Darwinism bring dimension and depth to the game as the struggle for fame and fortune ebbs and flows with each new day in EVE. I know espionage is a tough word for some of you, as we all know french best for being the folks who surrender all the time. Meanwhile, it does apply. so GTBE (get back to eve)
Trojanman190 Caldari Yultani Advanced Research	Posted - 2009.02.05 13:19:00 - [34] The disband should have been a thing that took 24 hours to go into effect... the fact that it happened instantly is a broken aspect of the game that needs to be looked into. To disband an alliance at least half of the members should have to agree to it. All a corp should be able to do instantly is leave.
Brmble Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 13:30:00 - [35] Originally by: Trojanman190 To disband an alliance at least half of the members should have to agree to it. what if... what if the alliance is a dictatorship?
Brobuck Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 13:31:00 - [36] Originally by: milllo Building a corporation and alliance takes years of hard work by many people. If the disbandment of Bob by one person stands then every corporation and alliance has to fear the same fate. Why then should anyone spend the time and effort to build large organizations? Something has to be changed to prevent this in the future. A simple fix would be requiring a week countdown for corporation disbandment and month countdown for alliance. It is not rocket science... u mad?
Raiiden Gallente R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.02.05 13:49:00 - [37] Originally by: milllo Building a corporation and alliance takes years of hard work by many people. If the disbandment of Bob by one person stands then every corporation and alliance has to fear the same fate. Why then should anyone spend the time and effort to build large organizations? Something has to be changed to prevent this in the future. A simple fix would be requiring a week countdown for corporation disbandment and month countdown for alliance. It is not rocket science... you realize they've been around for like 4 or 5 years before this right? ---------------------------------------- Tri`Zeem
Beltantis Torrence Caldari Steel Soldier's Stainless St33l	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:08:00 - [38] Originally by: milllo Building a corporation and alliance takes years of hard work by many people. If the disbandment of Bob by one person stands then every corporation and alliance has to fear the same fate. Why then should anyone spend the time and effort to build large organizations? Something has to be changed to prevent this in the future. A simple fix would be requiring a week countdown for corporation disbandment and month countdown for alliance. It is not rocket science... Maybe you shouldn't do it if you think its about hard work and is serious business. This is a video game, if you take it too seriously this sort of thing is inevitable.
Sevanna Minmatar The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:50:00 - [39] most roles can be applied through other means than director. (look at role management and organisation.) But my personal oppinion is that there should be voting systems for something like disbanding an alliance and corporations. Depending on shares and livetime. Except for dictatorship ofc. =) where the rule is absulute A counter should be a factor of how long the allinace or corp has been active. if majority agrees (24hours default)+24h/pr year of existance, then shuttdown' else 'things continue' 24h/pr'year should be plenty of time to 'cancell deletion' if the need arrises. Alliances less than a year old shouldnt/(does it deserve to be saved?) be prone to this type of attack anyhow. Still, I dont think this topic really is in the correct forum section. See [Features and Ideas Discussion] As for the topic Quote: Not worth building corps/alliances if they can be disbanded so easily My answer would be: "don't make one then, im pretty sure no one is forcing you to make one. And there are allot of issues in this game that has been developed further throughout the game history. remember pre'insurance times not as much fun loosing ships then. Things change in eve. And CCP might even consider this event as turnover into checking into creating a timer in disbanding a whole alliance so easilly. maybe not? The players are still around to do things and the game continues. " Fly safe Best regards Sev :: rebell against opression ::
xeom Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:52:00 - [40] Originally by: Sevanna most roles can be applied through other means than director. (look at role management and organisation.) But my personal oppinion is that there should be voting systems for something like disbanding an alliance and corporations. Depending on shares and livetime. Except for dictatorship ofc. =) where the rule is absulute A counter should be a factor of how long the allinace or corp has been active. if majority agrees (24hours default)+24h/pr year of existance, then shuttdown' else 'things continue' 24h/pr'year should be plenty of time to 'cancell deletion' if the need arrises. Alliances less than a year old shouldnt/(does it deserve to be saved?) be prone to this type of attack anyhow. Still, I dont think this topic really is in the correct forum section. See [Features and Ideas Discussion] As for the topic Quote: Not worth building corps/alliances if they can be disbanded so easily My answer would be: "don't make one then, im pretty sure no one is forcing you to make one. And there are allot of issues in this game that has been developed further throughout the game history. remember pre'insurance times not as much fun loosing ships then. Things change in eve. And CCP might even consider this event as turnover into checking into creating a timer in disbanding a whole alliance so easilly. maybe not? The players are still around to do things and the game continues. " Fly safe Best regards Sev Goons are the bestest Quality Assurance Software testers. Today, 6 years after Eve was started. We have found a bug. Please fix.
Daoi Sith Gallente Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.05 15:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Trojanman190 The disband should have been a thing that took 24 hours to go into effect... the fact that it happened instantly is a broken aspect of the game that needs to be looked into. To disband an alliance at least half of the members should have to agree to it. All a corp should be able to do instantly is leave. yeah. it should have been changed back when it happened to other alliances. why now the importance ?
Kuolematon Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.02.05 15:10:00 - [42] This. Why bother really play? If you can null-void so much with a single button.. why really bother playing?? "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Feral Lady Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:22:00 - [43] In the larger sense, CCP are careless game designers for constructing an interface that lets this happen. No vote, no cooling off period, nothing. Pathetic
Atraxerxes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.02.05 18:08:00 - [44] I would support a game mechanic where a company/alliance's solvency is determined by it's share holders. Real simple and it's already in place. Your corp/alliance makes isk and pays out monthly or weekly like it should, shareholders have votes. It would be very rare to see shareholders want to disband an alliance or corp that was profitable. Which I'm sure BoB was. I'm sure people smarter than I could come up with the exact details & workings of this. AX
Biscuit0 Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:21:00 - [45] Suppose you have an alliance. Now let's say there's a rich minority and a poor majority in this alliance. One day the Proles decide they've had enough, and they begin blue-on-blue violence. Camping stations, offlining towers, the whole shebang. Immediately the Bourge directors move to take swift action and kick the offending corps. It gets put to a vote and the Proles stay. They vote it down every time. Being a director should mean absolute power, you want this corp gone and you want it NOW! Even if there is no vote, what if you had to put up with them for 24 hours or however long you fellows are suggesting these things take? These roles have power for a reason. Just sayin'
Kyvon Gallente 10045th Logistics Battalion	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:49:00 - [46] Edited by: Kyvon on 05/02/2009 19:50:23 id hope they are referring to a vote...between dic/ceos if you get so upset with your alliance as a single player. just quit. duh?
KayTwoEx Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:33:00 - [47] Originally by: "ATLAS Board" Another Fine example of CCP fail code. This shouldn't be allowed, it takes month of corps inside an alliance to get to sov 4, etc... it takes week, to drop sovs when attacking, it takes 24H to leave a corp, but one guy press a magic button and it's instant alliance disbanding withoutany warnings, votes of all the interested parties, etc... lol... Just look at it :-/
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 21:06:00 - [48] This thread should be moved to features and ideas discussion so people there can laugh at it. http://obeythekitten.com/
Max Hardcase Gallente Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:42:00 - [49] Because the risk(or work) vs reward ratio is so ridiculously lobsided it makes no sense that this is possible. This basically equates to Stalin being ******s spy in the USSR and giving him the keys to the USSR. This goes far far far beyond the level of spying or a multi billion ISK heist. IMHO ludicrously so.
Rage Quitting Minmatar THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:47:00 - [50] Originally by: mamolian Not to worry Millo.. Cflux is on the batphone to ccp atm.. He'll get this **** sorted just you wait. AHA /dons tinfoil! Oveur is Batman? Does that make wrangler Robin? Who gets to be Alfred?
RedSplat Caldari Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:47:00 - [51] 'cause this happens all the damn time...

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