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Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.07 01:02:00 - [1] Originally by: bff Jill Originally by: Grarr Dexx Fair Use Policy. Why the hell are you downloading so much? But bandwidth is free We live in an age of high res real time streaming video and integrated media on the internets. People are going to need 100gb a month just to browse the internet here in the next decade or so. Bandwidth is NOT free... All ISP's buy bandwidth from backbone providers on a per-megabyte basis (just like if you were to run a webserver), this is one of two reasons ISP's have a fair usage policy in place The other reason is that, in any area you have to share your "pipe" with a certain number of people, this is called the "Contention Ratio" and is somewhere in the region of between 10:1 and 50:1 depending on your ISP and where you live, upshot is that someone hogging masses of bandwidth for hours at a time will cause lag and slow download speeds for others in their area which will lead to complaints from those people & a bad rep for the ISP.
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.07 12:32:00 - [2] Edited by: Elysarian on 07/02/2009 12:32:50 The biggest problem in the UK is that you basically have 2 choices: BT infrastructure for ADSL (no guarantee that you'll ever get anywhere near the max download rate as it depends on distance from the telephone exchange) or Virgin infrastructure for cable modems (guaranteed speed up to the Server but dependant on other things beyond that) LLU was supposed to help loosen the grip that BT have on the ADSL market by allowing ISPs to install their own DSLAM's in the exchanges but from the DSLAM to the backbone is still controlled by BT. Until FTTH comes in (who knows when that will actually happen) we're stuck with the same contention ratios of (usually) 50:1 for domestic ADSL, 20:1 for busuness ADSL and (IIRC) 20:1 for cable. this means that your "20 Meg" connection is actually being shared with 20 to 50 other subscribers - hence why the T&C has a Fair usage policy written into it - if those 50 people all try to use max bandwidth at the same time then everyone will get around 400Kbit speeds (minus the usual TCP/IP overheads). EDIT: an ISP is a business at the end of the day and they are there to make money - if they gave away bandwidth I really can't see their shareholders being very happy
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.08 10:28:00 - [3] There is another reason that I can think of as to why an ISP may limit your downloading... What possible reason could someone have for wanting to download multi-gigabyte files in a short period? Piracy is one... and the record/film/game/software companies are trying to "force" ISPs to regulate this. So... to prevent you downloading high-definition copies of films, full games/software packages and loads of ripped albums (only a few examples of things that are multi-gigabyte in size except the latter which are usually only multi-megabyte) they may cap your download speed as a first step, later - if you repeatedly go over this "limit" you might get a warning letter (has happened to people), then possibly have your service terminated. As I say: what legitimate reason does someone have for downloading multi-terabyte files unless they're using illegal file-sharing software? I have broadband not just because it allows me to download stuff quickly but also because the fatter the pipe, the lower the latency and ping times to game servers and the like. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.08 12:49:00 - [4] Originally by: TraininVain Edited by: TraininVain on 08/02/2009 11:43:18 Edited by: TraininVain on 08/02/2009 11:41:38 Originally by: Elysarian There is another reason that I can think of as to why an ISP may limit your downloading... What possible reason could someone have for wanting to download multi-gigabyte files in a short period? Piracy is one... and the record/film/game/software companies are trying to "force" ISPs to regulate this. So... to prevent you downloading high-definition copies of films, full games/software packages and loads of ripped albums (only a few examples of things that are multi-gigabyte in size except the latter which are usually only multi-megabyte) they may cap your download speed as a first step, later - if you repeatedly go over this "limit" you might get a warning letter (has happened to people), then possibly have your service terminated. As I say: what legitimate reason does someone have for downloading multi-terabyte files unless they're using illegal file-sharing software? I have broadband not just because it allows me to download stuff quickly but also because the fatter the pipe, the lower the latency and ping times to game servers and the like. Twaddle. I buy lots of my games and music online and then download it. Using Steam I regularly make multi-GB downloads. TV is another. Increasingly I can watch TV programmes online perfectly legitimately. TV companies have finally done the smart thing and said "Oh look, here's an audience... now how do we get a cut of this?". I think film companies are catching on too. There's also patches, mods, demos, shareware etc. etc. It is not adequate in this day and age to say any large file must be piracy. Personally I don't mind DL limits too much (as I understand that BT ***s that they are are still a big fat impediment) as long as they're reasonable and clearly stated. What does me off is when I've paid more for the better package and still get **ed around. I totally agree... just pointing out a "reason" that ISPs may use as an argument for limiting people beyond the others I gave in earlier posts. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.09 15:28:00 - [5] Edited by: Elysarian on 09/02/2009 15:29:23 Edited by: Elysarian on 09/02/2009 15:28:19 Originally by: Vietone Most people dont read the agreements they sign much like the TC here. ISPs put a clause saying they are able to alter your connection to ensure that everyone is getting a proper, quality connection. While you were too stupid to read the agreement saying they can do this, its all fair as they have the right to provide everyone in your area with a good internet connection. You probably have cable. If you do, that's why. Cable is a shared connection. You share a high speed connection to a hub and that connection is limited. Cable companies advertise a lot of bandwidth to each user but the main connection cant handle everyone using the max speed. Therefore, they limit high usage people. If you wanted a dedicated connection, go pay for DSL or fiber. Then you can complain if they limit your bandwidth. You sir, are a moron (or don't live in the UK where the telecomms infrastructure sucks monkey balls)... DSL is "shared" in a similar way to cable (at least in the UK) - see DSLAM for details. As for fibre... not actually available in the UK yet (cable is the closest to this as they have FTTC then the connection id de-multiplexed onto Co-Axial cables to the homes - hence why you get between 10:1 and 50:1 contention on cable in the UK, depends how many houses the cabinet feeds, BT is "working on" a FTTH service but I've no idea what the ETA is on that). EDIT: the term "hub" is only really applicable to small LANs where a switch is overkill.

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