Originally by: Murina

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BLASTERS NEED MORE DMG FROM 9-20KM, AT LEAST MATCHING THAT OF LASERS.

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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troll

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Go away.

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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yet more troll

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Originally by: Murina

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Edited by: Murina on 11/02/2009 15:42:09

Originally by: NightmareX

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So you the....

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The range dmg ratios between races is broken and needs fixing.


YAY trolling removed.

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Originally by: Murina

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Edited by: Murina on 11/02/2009 15:47:56

Originally by: NightmareX

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So you the....

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The range dmg ratios between races is broken and needs fixing.

Gallente should be the best at 0-10, from 10-20ish they should at least match lasers, from 20-30 they should falloff to 0 and should not hit over 30km, and from 30-45 pulse lasers should be the best.

This would be much more balanced, and you would know that if you were not a sissi/eft warrior.

YAY trolling removed.

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Originally by: Murina

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Lasers got a boost so they could hit well at 0-15 not so long ago

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Originally by: Cohkka

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Blasters are fine in a fraction of possible EVE combat situations. In any situation where there is the possibility to get webbed or scrambled by support ships Blasterboats are at a huge disadvantage. So in conclusion they are less usefull than lasers in 90% of EVE combat because of range/mobility limitations.

The reason for that is because active tanking is not viable in todays PvP (making the ships slower due to plates/rigs) and overall mobility of ships was nerfed in the last patch. Something HAS to change in order to make blasters usefull again. Either the weapon system needs change to accomodate the new combat enviroment or the ships need to. But we can't redesing the ships with Blasters in mind because they use rails as well (people tend to forget that). So maybe the only way out is to redefine the combat philosophy, just like it has sorta been done with Caldari. You know... specialize (altho it could as well backfire).

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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Take this as an example.

I warp into a Megathron at 30 km, the fight start right after that. I MWD to him and he can't hit me anything good before i'm in the 10 km range. Then when i'm getting into his 5 km range, i'm starting to take ALOT of damage. I go into armor, my armor goes down pretty fast because my Kinetic and Thermal resists are not so high.

After 4-5 mins my Tempest lose because it couldn't tank the insane DPS from the Mega.

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/facepalm

You're doing it (very, very) wrong. Hint: look at the part of your post I bolded.

Double hint: You're MWDing a autopest into a Mega's blaster optimal, and then complain you lose? Are you freaking serious?

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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus

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Originally by: NightmareX

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It was an example if you didn't got that.

But yeah, if we should be more real, then yes, the first thing i will do if i see an Amarr BS is to MWD very close to him and orbit him. Because he wont hit me any hard then.

But if this is a Blaster Mega / Domi / Hyperion, then i will not go into their web range.

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Mate, you can't give examples of ******ed flying and then base your judgement of a weapon system's efficiency on it.

Someone could then go and say "I flew my Abaddon right into a Maelstrom's optimal and I couldn't hit him for **** with my lasers. Projectiles are OP!!!"

Get my drift?

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: Murina

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NightmareX TQ STATS.
Losses: 22
Kills: 207

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Oh look, it's like the 10th time you have posted my stats. Dayum, our memory must be very short since you post it so often.

And also, how many times have i told you it's not 207 kills, it's more around 600 kill in total. But dayum again, your memory is extremely bad, and are always forgetting that.

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Its not my memory that is bad its yours.

If you remember i told you twice already i think you are a liar, i had not forgotten about your "claimed" kills at all....

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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it's more around 600 kill in total.

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Proof or stfu.

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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus

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Originally by: NightmareX

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But yeah, i see what you mean.

But i'm still saying it, and i wont change on it, but all weapons are now today balanced pretty good.

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Well I disagree but I respect your opinion.

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Originally by: mishkof

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I do not think that saying much is neccesary as Murina has pretty much won every point in this debate as far as I am concerned.

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Originally by: Chris Liath

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Yes. Boost blasters.
/thread

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Originally by: Murina

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Oh, rails and arties do need a tracking boost and arties need a range boost of some description as well for that matter as they are both underpowered compared to beams...

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Originally by: Murina

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Blasters need a boost of some description, mostly in dmg in the 10-20km range and a tracking buff is also required so they are actually useful under 10km now the web nerf has gimped them....

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Originally by: Murina

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Edited by: Murina on 21/02/2009 19:22:46

Originally by: Beverly Sparks

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I agree Murina, however. I don't think they are ever going to get out of this vicious loop unless they step back and design how these ships work. If they continue to simply nerf the FOTM, this could go on forever.

But we both agree on the fact that lasers effective range is way to large, or more specifically, that they are way to effective in close where they shouldn't be. Pulse lasers of all sizes are stepping on the toes of Blasters and AC's, and it is not right.

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I think that a nerf to lasers will not make blaster BS better in gangs so its a pointless nerf, but giving blasters and AC a buff in the 10-20km range as well as a tracking buff to compensate for the web nerf will let them be marginally effective in gangs (stepping on the toes of lasers as lasers are stepping on theirs) while allowing amarr to still hold the crown in BS gang combat.

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Originally by: Murina

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Wrong lasers are good at all ranges from 0-45km while blasters are only good at 0-10km.

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Originally by: Murina

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Edited by: Murina on 21/02/2009 20:44:03

Originally by: NightmareX

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Worthless 1 v 1 BS scenario....

It only shows that the Lasers are not good in the 0-10 km distance.

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Oh god more 1 v 1 sissi pvp stories....

Nope it shows you are clueless about the reality of TQ BS pvp.

Anyway did i say lasers were the best at close range????, did i say they were better than blasters ect at close range????. I think i said they were effecting at under 10km while blasters did 0 dmg from 30-45km.

Il tell you what when TQ becomes full of roaming solo BS pilots and you cannot travel without tripping over a roaming solo BS pvper then come on this thread and start preaching your "i iz uber on sissi" crap ok...

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Originally by: Murina

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Edited by: Murina on 21/02/2009 20:59:08
Edited by: Murina on 21/02/2009 20:58:10

Originally by: NightmareX

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Whatever you say about me and Sisi or whatever, it's shown that when i'm close to an Amarr BS and start to orbit them, they will get in trouble.

Prove me wrong if you can dude.

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Fine.

1. TQ close range BS fighting is GANG combat not 1 v 1, and as such it is totally imposable for you to be at close range to multiple ships all at the same time. You maybe close to 1 and he may get a reduction in his dps because of it but his buddies are gonna melt you.

2. As you clearly state the amarr BS was hitting you inside 10km although for a reduced amount meaning that they can still hit at those ranges, while blasters do 0 dmg at pulse optimal...


THAT is why your silly sissi 1 v 1 stats and scenarios are a waste of time.

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Originally by: Murina

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The mini gang would lose unless the amarr gang were morons or told to deliberately lose........

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Originally by: Zubakis

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: Murina

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Wrong lasers are good at all ranges from 0-45km while blasters are only good at 0-10km.

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Tell that to the Abaddon who got totally slaughtered by my Tempest because the Lasers does crap DPS at around 1-10 km. It's when we start to orbit Amarr BS'es at those ranges the Amarr BS'es gets in trouble.

The Abaddon never took my armor down to even 85% before the Abaddon died horribly to me. Well it might be because i was out tracking him when i was orbiting him.

It only shows that the Lasers are not good in the 0-10 km distance.

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1vs1, lol, reality check, halloo

Even in theoretical 2vs2 situation, you'll be double webbed. And now try to orbit And if you web back, relative speeds will be between 10-30m/s. And now the amarr pilot just start to match your flight direction to reduce transversal even more. And see now no problem to track you.

Stop posting your 1vs1 comparisons, they are useless.

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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Hate to break it on you, but 10v10 homogenous ships is about as unrealistic a scenario as a BS 1v1. (Especially if we're talking BS sized)

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Originally by: Murina

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Edited by: Murina on 25/02/2009 12:45:01

Originally by: Goumindong

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2. Drone bay

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3 x mag stab hype + drones = 1247dps with 4.5km optimal

3 x heat sink abad + drones = 1126dps with 15km optimal

Abaddon has 139,000ehp
hyperion has 96.000ehp

Hyperion also has a issue fitting the large cap injector but a implant may sort that.

So if you include drones ect blasters get 12ish% more dps for 300+% less range....

LASERS RULE.

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Originally by: Murina

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Edited by: Murina on 25/02/2009 16:17:02

Originally by: Fatality Killer

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What DPS / EHP is, is only 50% of what combat is.

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With some ships that is true, but in a BS gang on TQ DPS/range ratios and ehp are the most important attributes.

Originally by: Fatality Killer

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Then can you tell me how i managed to stay alive to 4 BS'es and one Command Ship in my Kronos on sisi then. Yes it's still sisi, but it's not 1 vs 1 there.

I killed 2 of the BS'es and the CS before the last 2 BS'es realized that couldn't kill me, so they ran.

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What makes you think i believe you?....and even if it is true are you such a attention seeking loser that you use this forum and its item/ship threads to brag about you beating noob morons on sissi???...

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: Fatality Killer

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And you think there is no gang fights on sisi?.

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Yea i see a lot of ppl opn sissi looking to get a gang together and "OWN" FFA1.....

It is odd though cos for some reason ppl tend to fight differently when things only cost 100isk each including t2 rigs 5% implants ect ect.....

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Originally by: Fatality Killer

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LOL your so funny now that i'm almost tempted to just troll you.

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Yeah, but even when we OWN FFA 1, we are still fighting in gangs there, right?.

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Yea warp in with your gang, kill the ships that are already their alone and not in a organized gang...a real test of skill that...

Originally by: NightmareX

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And also, everyone are using t1 rigs on TQ. And on sisi everyone is using Slave sets and that and t2 rigs. I don't see any difference in that other than ship will live a little longer with Slaves and t2 rigs.

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That is because you live in the 100isk per module dream world instead of TQ.

Longer to kill for starters = more cap used by mwd's and guns making the fight totally unrealistic.

Originally by: Fatality Killer

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And you also think that everyone on sisi is noobs.

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Nope but i do think that 4 BS and a CS vs 1 kronos (IF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AS I THINK NOT) means the kronos dies unless the BS and CS are flown by idiots.

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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First. Last time we was a gang of 7 ship in FFA 1, guess what happened?. Yes we got another gang of 8 ships on us. They simply got tired of us killing lone ships with our gang, and bam, they warped 8 BS'es on us. Was a pretty nice fight and lots of explosions on both sides.

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And that is the first and obvious reality check.

1. A gang on TQ would not just bring 8 BS to fight a 7 man BS gang.
2. The FFA area has other ships in it so its a guess who exactly is in the opposing gang and who is just solo.
3. At 100isk each module and ship a player will not be so worried about getting out if he is primaried.

Originally by: NightmareX

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Second. What the hell does the isk have to do with PVP on sisi to do?. I have enough isk on TQ to buy alot of **** anyways. Even when one module cost 100 isk on sisi, it wont stop me from buying the same module to 20 mill isk on TQ.

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And if it costs 2 billion on TQ?.....

I think you are lying again but even if you are not not everybody has enough isk to throw it around like that..

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Originally by: LadyLubU2

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NightmareX is probably the most stupid, ******ed, ignorant and youngest troll these forums have known to date.

Quote me if your down.

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: Fatality Killer

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troll

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NightmareX
Losses: 22
Kills: 209

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: Fatality Killer

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troll

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NightmareX
Losses: 22
Kills: 209

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EEEEMMOOO RAAGEEE

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You claim you have 400+ MORE kills....PROVE IT...
You claim you can beat 4 BS and a CS in a solo marauder...PROVE IT...

OR STFU TROLL.

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Originally by: Murina

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Edited by: Murina on 25/02/2009 17:40:45

Originally by: NightmareX

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In total since i started to PVP, yes, i have around 600 kills.

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Proof of 400 more kills or stfu.

Originally by: NightmareX

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About the Kronos vs 5 others. Well it's not often you can manage to get out of there alive against that. SO the chance that i can do the same over again is not high.

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Bailing already??...


Still at least you admit you could only stand a chance against skilless morons....mr uber noob killer...

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Originally by: Murina

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Edited by: Murina on 25/02/2009 17:45:21

Originally by: NightmareX

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mememememe and my epeen mememememe and my epeen

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Go to caod and do your epeen sissi warrior stroking muppet this thread is for ships and modules and ppl who play on TQ...

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Wow, that was an awesome answer on why i'm wrong. The more you post like this, the more right i'am. Because you don't know what to answer, because you know i'm right.

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Explain what you are right about then fool...

Cos all you ever do is drop into a thread BLEAT on about how you can win solo 1 v 1 fights in your ecmpest and try to use that as a reason that TQ BS gang pvp is utterly fine....

You have no clue.

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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I have explained you billions of times that DPS, range on guns, stats on your ship and EHP is not 100% of what PVP is about.

Those 4 things are only like 55-60% of what PVP is today. The rest of the 40% is your IQ and skills on flying the ships 100% right and use a good setup on the ship.

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You have explained nothing and you have no clue.

All the skills, IQ, ect ect can be equal or even one side can have slightly less skills, IQ, ect ect and the ships that are OP will tip the balance and give the side with less skills ect ect the win.

Stick to sissi and your ecmpest and uber implants and rigs you have no clue about TQ.

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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troll

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Just go away moron this thread is about blasters for a start and lasers are just used as a comparative system to highlight the problems they have in realistic BS pvp on TQ.

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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more troll

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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yet more troll

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Originally by: Murina

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Double .

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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And yet even more trolling

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Yes i can agree on that if both Blasters and Projectile gets a boost in some ways.

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Maybe if you were not such a pathetic troll you would have seen the posts myself and others made about boosting AC as well as blasters in relation to lasers.

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Blasters are fine for the type of combat you can do with Gallente and Caldari ships.

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Would you care to say what type of combat you feel blaster BS should be limited to...?

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Ships with Blasters fitted are extremely good at dealing damage at close range.

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Actually since the web nerf they are a lot worse than before, but then you fly the kronos on sissi so i suppose you would not know that.....

Originally by: NightmareX

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It's there where Blasters are really shining. and Blasters are close range only, and they should only be close range.

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Actually they are rather dull as the hyperion only does around 100-150dps more than the abaddon for 300% less optimal range and a lot less ehp.

YOU ARE POSTING ABILITIES NOT STYLES/TYPES OF PVP.

What types/styles of PVP do you see blaster BS doing on TQ...

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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And so what?, of the Abaddon have 300% more optimal then your Hyperion, what does that help when the Hyperion is in your ass and shooting you while he's 2 km from you.

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I would not care to comment on that as 1 v 1 2km BS fighting on sissi is your area of expertise..

I tend to deal in the realities of TQ and on the TQ server the blaster ships get melted by the laser ships on approach and while the blasters do marginally more dps at close range they need to constantly MWD after every single laser ship just to catch them and get into that slightly better DPS optimal. As well as the fact that the laser boats have around 40% more ehp the blasters need to get through...

While the laser ships just need to burn away while dishing out almost the same dps as blasters at absurdly long ranges...

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Originally by: Murina

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I honestly think you should find or start a forum for wanna be sissi heroes like yourself, as your ideas of pvp and scenarios you think are a good reflection of real pvp have no actual application on TQ.

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: NightmareX

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That's alot of bull****. I have even warped into FFA 1

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Do really need read any further....

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Originally by: Zubakis

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Originally by: NightmareX

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That's alot of bull****. I have even warped into FFA 1 and then decided to go after a Pulse Geddon that was 40-50 km from me that started to shoot me right after i got into FFA 1. I MWDed away and burned 65% of my cap boosters and actually got him scrambled. And when i had him in my disruptor range, i was at 50% armor.

And when i got him into my web range i was at 40% armor.

But hold on a little here. When i got into the web range and started to orbit him, he had absolutely no chance to hit me.

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But hold on there, you know what's happening on tq?

... a rapier uncloaks and webs you at 30km
... 2 other geddons warpin at 20km and melt your ass
... a bunch of falcons uncloaks and do some nasty stuff with you
... and so on and on

Seriously your sisi clown scenarios have no room here. Stop posting this crap, nobody care's about your boring sisi stories.

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: Lilith Velkor

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In my experience, blaster BS (esp. mega comes to mind here) are very good at ambush-type combat, I'd even say they are unmatched if done right.

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Sorry bud but the abaddon does a little more DPS than the mega and has much greater optimal to do that damage in with the same slot layout for webs ect, and obviously a much larger tank.

And as far as the less tracking lasers have effecting DPS when they are shooting at a webbed BS it is almost non existent (i make it around 30dps difference between lasers and blasters at 2-3km range).

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Originally by: The Djego

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Btw I fly Abaddons to and it isn¦t even funny how easy you can take down a Thron, you don¦t even drop under 50% Armor most of the time, with it if you spend also ISK on Imps and have a good fitting at any range.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 27/02/2009 16:02:37

Originally by: NightmareX

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A real miracle would not be fixing blasters it would be to stop you from waggling your epeen in local on sissi...

All hail nightmareX sissi warrior extraordinaire...

While im sure you have fun playing with your faction fits and telling ppl that the fights you have are "not to the death" just in case you lose they bear no relation to TQ pal.

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Originally by: The Djego

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Also Minmatar got 20% more EM Resistance on Armor than other races(50->60%) and if It take 100k+ Damage im preaty shure it lacked Damage a lot to actualy break tanks.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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LOL, that's my Navy Mega, not my Tempest. My Tempest have exact the same setup on sisi as it have on TQ, except for the t2 Trimarks.

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So T2 trimarks...and maybe a full slave set ect ect.....???

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 27/02/2009 16:27:05

Originally by: NightmareX

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So T2 trimarks...and maybe a full slave set ect ect.....???

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Like no one else on sisi is not using Slaves and t2 rigs.

I can say you this. 90% of those i have been fighting on sisi have either had Crystal or Slave sets on. And like 70% of all have been using t2 rigs.

So why should i not use it then?.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 27/02/2009 16:41:10

Originally by: NightmareX

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So i'm testing the Tempest where it's really good.

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You are playing with dream fits that cost a few 100isk each and thinking it mnakes you a pvper, you are testing nothing.

Originally by: NightmareX

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It wouldn't be any different if me and the Abaddon pilot didn't had Slaves. I would still tank the Abaddon in the same way as i did with Slaves. And he would died in the same way to, but only faster.

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So you think that having extra armour on your pest and drawing out the fight (cos of the implants and T2 rigs) does not effect the results when fighting a cap dependent ship like the baddon (a 15 minute fight i believe you said)....?

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Originally by: Zubakis

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Erm, what do you want to say? You are gone way offtopic dont you think? This topic is about blasters, not what you kill on sisi in your Tempest, you understand this?

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Anyway on topic:

Blasters need reworking as they are now a almost worthless system, lasers can easily compete at close range with the available targets BS have especially when you factor in single let alone multiple webs.

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Originally by: marakor

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Originally by: NightmareX

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The best fight i have had in a normal Megathron against an Abaddon, then the Abaddon won over me, but the Abaddon pilot had 10% structure left.

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.........

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Cap while considered the "bane of lasers" is also the bane of blasters as well if not more so as they need to almost constantly burn their MWD to get into optimal range where they do very little more dps than lasers anyway.

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Ehhh, well, you can use something called Covert Ops that sit like 300 km from the place you are fighting at, and when you need to get close to a target that are long way from you, you warp out to the cloaked Covert Ops and then you let the tacklers take care of those who are long way from you, and when the tacklers have tackled the rest of those who are long way from you, then you warp down to the tacklers and land all from 5 to 20 km from the targets.


It's not hard to think smart.

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Think smart??...


Cos in your world only my side has tacklers and my gang can warp in and out in our BS all the time.....


Just stop posting bud your inexperience and dream world scenarios you think are actually valid are doing you no favors and making you look really foolish.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 27/02/2009 17:19:44

Originally by: NightmareX

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When we are going after those who are far away from us, we have ofc killed all of the others who are near us. So there is no one to scramble us at that moment.

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How convenient......

So you have already won the fight and wiped out the oppositions tacklers in your "realistic gang fight scenario" and you are just killing the stragglers at range and saving cap....

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Originally by: Lilith Velkor

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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 27/02/2009 17:57:51

Originally by: The Djego

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Blasters got no Barrage

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A large neutron blaster with null outdamages a 800mm AC using barrage from 0-29km. And that is a double-bonused AC vs a single-bonused blaster.

Quote:

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Btw Aks do Blaster like Damage against Omni Armor Tanks(after resistances) with Hail

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A large neutron blaster with void outdamages a 800mm AC with hail from 0-17km. And that is a double-bonused AC vs a single-bonused blaster. (That is, if you can actually hit something, which goes for both guns, so you're better shooting a supercap).

Also, omnitanks are hardly the pinnacle of pvp fittings.


And just for comparison purposes, a large neutron blaster with faction AM outdamages a 800mm AC with faction Emp from 0-20km. And that is a double-bonused AC vs a single-bonused blaster.

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Originally by: Lilith Velkor

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Yes that's true.

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No its not :P I failed massively and forgot to put the same amount of dmg mods on the platforms.

Check updated post for correct figures.

Conclusion still the same though imo.

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Originally by: Trader20

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Yea this one time I beat a titan in my ibis, I don't have any ss or vids but it's true. Your fictional stories are not helping this thread progress.
TL;DR version: ss or stfu

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 27/02/2009 20:59:20

Originally by: The Djego

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Correct

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To be brief the blaster ships suck at all forms of gang pvp and even in the non-existent solo pvp area they still suck but the best that can be said about them in solo is that they suck marginally less than a couple of other races at it.

So all we beed are BF areas in every system in eve and...well ok certain ppl will still sit on sissi as its cheaper for a epeen stroke..

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 27/02/2009 21:11:19

Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: The Djego

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Correct

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To be brief the blaster ships suck at all forms of gang pvp and even in the non-existent solo pvp area they still suck but the best that can be said about them in solo is that they suck marginally less than a couple of other races at it.

So all we need are BF areas in every system in eve and...well ok certain ppl will still sit on sissi as its cheaper for a epeen stroke..

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Hmm, i thought that the BF arenas on sisi was to test out ship and setups, not to do e-peen strokes.

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so did i...

So just out of interest what TQ reality did that belong in, how do you feel it helps this topic and your understanding of blaster ships in gang combat on TQ and why crow about it in local???.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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And i know 100% how Blasters works on TQ, so no one need to tell me how they are working.

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Perhaps that is what you think with your limited understanding but you have failed utterly to show that with your 1 v 1 stats, in fact all you have done is show how worthless blaster ships are in gang pvp on TQ and they the need some kind of a buff.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Honestly bud you ask why ppl think you have no idea then you post this as a example of balanced combat on TQ:

Originally by: NightmareX

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Last 1 vs 1 fight i had against a Megathron on TQ in my Tempest, i lost because i did 4-5 mistakes in the fight..............

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What does it take to get into you head that 1 v 1 is not a thing that happens or is how BS balance on TQ.

After all you had to move to sissi to get any but again and again you preach about it like its a valid and well used type of pvp on TQ, sorry but you are not on the same page as the rest of us...in fact you really are not even in the same game..literally.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Reported, if you cannot stay civil when it is pointed out how out of touch you are perhaps you should refrain from posting.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Your like Murina

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I am murina this is my main, and you are not right and have given no evidence other than 1 v 1 fights on sissi with unrealistic rigs/implants fitted and a obvious lack of understanding about the reality of TQ BS combat.

You have done more for the argument that blasters need fixing than you ever have against it.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 27/02/2009 22:00:23

Originally by: NightmareX

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And also, explain to me what i have said that have proven that Blaster needs fixing?.

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Post 726.

Maybe you could explain how one of your 15 minute 1 v 1 BF area BS fights bears any resemblance to BS gang fighting on TQ.

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Originally by: Atsuko Yamamoto

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Your like Murina

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I am murina this is my main, and you are not right and have given no evidence other than 1 v 1 fights on sissi with unrealistic rigs/implants fitted and a obvious lack of understanding about the reality of TQ BS combat.

You have done more for the argument that blasters need fixing than you ever have against it.

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I think EFT has gone to your head...I could try and explain to you what NightmareX is trying to say but your just really not listening at all.

Pilot skill makes up for a lot and being able to react-to and counter second by second actions your target is making. I have many TQ fights solo with a Blasterthron and some go well, some don't, and some don't even really happen (It's that whole strategy and on-site analysis thing). And unrealistic imps? Not really unless your low-SP and have few means of a steady isk stream.

TBH Blasters could use a little tweaking, but that's just me.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: Atsuko Yamamoto

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TBH Blasters could use a little tweaking, but that's just me.

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I think so to.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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EFT is waaaaaaaaaaaaay more important for Murina than real TQ or sisi PVP experience is.

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NightmareX
Kills: 209 (+400 he "CLAIMS" were not posted)
Losses: 22

Sophisticatedlimebean
Kills: 2,148
Losses: 130

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 27/02/2009 22:12:06

Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: Atsuko Yamamoto

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TBH Blasters could use a little tweaking, but that's just me.

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I think so to.

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Remember, tweaking and boosting is 2 different things.

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Redefining the dictionary already???...

A positive tweak is a boost.

A negative tweak is a nerf.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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So, changing the Optimal to lower range and make the Falloff bigger to Blasters is a boost?, no, it's a tweak.

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That would be a nerf.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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But anyways, you should see the different from boosting to a tweaking / adjusting.

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A adjustment either increases a ships effectiveness at a certain thing or it decreases its effectiveness at a certain thing and as such is either a buff or a nerf.

Look whyy are you dragging this topic way off and into "definitions" or words..is it all you have left to give cos if so im gonna ignore you unless you have on topic things to say instead of pointless argumentative trolling.

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Originally by: Raniss

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Seriously FailmoreX stop trolling, save yourself from the humiliation your undergoing right now because everyone sees you havent brought in a single decent point to the whole discussion. All we see from you is epeen stroking, you talking about 1vs1 situations while we are looking at the sucky role of blasters in gangs, stupid trolling, more stupid trolling.

Just for your own sake, stop making yourself look even more stupid than you have been doing every thread since.

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Originally by: Raniss

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: Raniss

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Seriously FailmoreX stop trolling, save yourself from the humiliation your undergoing right now because everyone sees you havent brought in a single decent point to the whole discussion. All we see from you is epeen stroking, you talking about 1vs1 situations while we are looking at the sucky role of blasters in gangs, stupid trolling, more stupid trolling.

Just for your own sake, stop making yourself look even more stupid than you have been doing every thread since.

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Ask Atomic Battle Penguins corp if they think Blaster megas are crap in gang fights?.

I personally think they will smack you if you tell them that Blasters sucks in gang combat.

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And your point?

See here we go again.

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Originally by: Raniss

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Because they all where too ****ing lazy to train for the FOTM like anyone else who cares about maximux efficient ships?

And again, this post brougt nothing to the whole discussion, atm i see your only busy with trying to save your UberSisiEcmPestWarriorOnline image

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Originally by: Raniss

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 27/02/2009 22:54:57

Originally by: Raniss

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Because they all where too ****ing lazy to train for the FOTM like anyone else who cares about maximux efficient ships?

And again, this post brougt nothing to the whole discussion, atm i see your only busy with trying to save your UberSisiEcmPestWarriorOnline image

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And how long time have Amarr / Lasers been FOTM now?. I don't think it takes over a year to go from Gallente BS'es to Amarr BS'es.

And no ABP is not lazy pvpers.

And what have you been saying others than ohh booo hoo, blasters sucks awwwwww bleh?.

By the posting you do now, your not posing anything good your self smartypants.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 27/02/2009 23:08:54

Originally by: Raniss

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There is no other need for me than to say anything other than that, since people like Murina have already proven multiple times that blasters suck in any gang situation (read: there are much better shipchoices), and 1vs1 situations are unrealistic only because of the reason solo pvp died and current game mechanics force people to take part of the 'blob/ecmwarfare online' game.

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The most amusing thing is that even goumindong agrees that blasters suck in gang combat compared to lasers, he just thinks they deserve to, mostly cos he wants amarr to stay way OP in BS gang combat on TQ compared to AC and blasters.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Wasn't Kil2 talking about that he have more went to Gallente BS'es now?. Because in fact, Amarr BS'es / Lasers aren't that good as someone says they are?.

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I have seen no posts to that effect but i have seen lots of "use rails" posts ect from gourmie...

So apparently rails > blasters, i hope nobody starts using them on sissi or your ecmpest may be in trouble...

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Originally by: sAyArrrr

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Edited by: sAyArrrr on 27/02/2009 23:53:41

Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 27/02/2009 23:47:11
Saying Blasters are worthless only because Lasers have longer range on it's guns is the biggest joke someone can say.

And because of the resists you have to EM and Thermal on your Omni tanks now days, the 1k Laser DPS isn't as great after all.

When i can tank any Amarr BS'es in my Tempest with this in low slot:

1x Large Armor Repairer II
1x Damage Control II
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1x 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1x Gyrostabilizator II

Then i think the DPS on Lasers are pretty low on an omni tank. But then, the Tempest have 20% better EM resist than a Megathron have.

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If you actually bothered to follow the discussion you might have noticed nobody but you is saying blasters suck just because lasers have a longer range. Heh, i guess your too busy trolling that you completely lost the reason why you where trolling in the first place.

And please explain what the lowslots of your uberpest has to do with the actual discussion, other than to prove that "LOLOLOL U DONT UNDERSTAND U SUCK lol u nOOb" (because thats getting old you know).

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Originally by: sAyArrrr

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Now, if we assume every ship shieldtanks instead of armor tanks (like you like to do), how do lasers compare to other gunnery systems?

(bolded the important part in case you might miss it)

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Originally by: Trader20

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 28/02/2009 00:14:01

Originally by: sAyArrrr

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Now, if we assume every ship shieldtanks instead of armor tanks (like you like to do), how do lasers compare to other gunnery systems?

(bolded the important part in case you might miss it)

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Against shield tanks, Lasers are much better. Yes i agree on that.

But there are much much more armor tankers or ships with omni armor tanks than it's shield tankers anyways.

And no, i'm not saying Blasters sucks at all. Where have you got that from?.

I'm saying that Blasters are fine and don't need any boosts now.

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Agreed, EM/Therm is a poor damage type to be dealing these days and I think ppl need to take this into consideration, the eft dps on pulses isn't hittin the targets armor ingame for anywhere near full damage. (neither are blasters but alot more goes through when dealing therm/kin)

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Originally by: sAyArrrr

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Oh yeah thats why blasters are better right, because of the fact they deal omg damage and have uber tracking outside of web range, huh? Oh wait...

And ps im not a eft *****, im actually talking about real TQ combat, not like you about ecmpests on sisi

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Originally by: sAyArrrr

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Edited by: sAyArrrr on 28/02/2009 00:45:37

Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 28/02/2009 00:40:25

Originally by: sAyArrrr

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Oh yeah thats why blasters are better right, because of the fact they deal omg damage and have uber tracking outside of web range, huh? Oh wait...

And ps im not a eft *****, im actually talking about real TQ combat, not like you about ecmpests on sisi

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LOL, i still know how the PVP works on TQ when it's about DPS, resists, EHP and armor tanks even when i'm testing alot of ships and setups on Sisi.

You have to be very very stupid if you don't know how PVP and that works after you have been playng EVE since early March 2004, like i have.

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You really dont give us the impression you did any TQ pvp lately, since all you talk about is your uber ecm pest pwning wave after wave of noobs on Sisi.

And since when is the fact you play eve since 2004 a argument for having any clue about how pvp works? All i see you doing is stroking your own epeen here again, amirite?

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Originally by: sAyArrrr

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And pls Nightmare, quoting yourself:

"EFT warriors today are only looking at the DPS in EFT..."

Seriously, your the eft warrior, you arent taking in the fact blasterships have to move around ALOT in gangsituations and thus lose alot of damagepotential. The fact that, in normal gangconditions it is always the pulseboats who deal most dps over blaster/ac ships, just because they dont have to move aroundlike crazy. Stop trolling me for not taking in stuff outside eft information, because it is YOU who is only taking in DPS/EHP stats and not thinking about the horrid a blasterpilot overcomes when trying to get some dps applied in situatios with lag, big distances to the targets and so forth.

The only case where blasterships *might* come on top is in a 0km bsgang vs bsgang slugfest, and even then, verrrrry small chance that situation will happen.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Now reverse that to a "start 25-45km" situation.......unless the laser ships screwed up they would melt the blaster boats one after another on approach and hardly take a loss.

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Originally by: sAyArrrr

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If you would have ANY KNOWLEDGE of how the speed/scrambler/webnerf changed this in regard to blasterships, you woulnt be trolling this topic with ubernonsence. Seriously, i dont even get the impression you have the skills for any blastership at all.

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Originally by: sAyArrrr

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 28/02/2009 01:43:56

Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Now reverse that to a "start 25-45km" situation.......unless the laser ships screwed up they would melt the blaster boats one after another on approach and hardly take a loss.

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In that situation, i would warp off the whole gang with Gallente BS'es, and then wait until our Covert Op(s) have got to a point where he is pretty close to the enemies, and then warp the gang with Blaster BS'es in to kill them all. Or those who get scrambled.

I know at those ranges the Amarr BS'es have a tiny little advantage, but being smart -> Lasers with longer range on it's guns and with good tracking anyways.

Originally by: sAyArrrr

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If you would have ANY KNOWLEDGE of how the speed/scrambler/webnerf changed this in regard to blasterships, you woulnt be trolling this topic with ubernonsence. Seriously, i dont even get the impression you have the skills for any blastership at all.

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Wanna see my inEVE skill list?.

To say it short, i'm extremely specializated in both Minmatar and Gallente.

And by looking at your age in EVE, i probably have more SP in Gunnery and Missiles together than you have total SP.

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Thats a failcomment, because any non-eft***** should know there is more than 'skill' in flying a ship. Guess who owned himself (again)

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Originally by: sAyArrrr

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Glad to see you finally embraced the truth!

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Originally by: sAyArrrr

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Edited by: sAyArrrr on 28/02/2009 02:17:13

Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: sAyArrrr

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Glad to see you finally embraced the truth!

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Glad to see that you don't have the balls to give me a counterarguments on what i asked you about. Aka that means you fail, HARD.

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Ahahahahaha, now your getting funny, i havent seen ANY SERIOUS REPLY on ANY of the things i posted! So how about you start with it, O Mighty Pvp God of Sisi, Pwner of Noobs?




Ps. Buhuuuu, buhuuuu!

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Originally by: Raniss

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: sAyArrrr

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See, your just acting like a little caod pubbie now, since you cant win the argument with words, your shouting i dont have balls and so forth. I dont need to point out you're just being ignorant and trolling the forums because you like the attention apparently, you already time after time have shown it yourself.

Ps. Ill stop posting to you after this, i know you gonna come up with another *smart* reply on this because i know you like to have the last word, at last that gives you the idea you are smart or something

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I'm acting like CAOD pubbie?.

Your not the best one to say that dude.

Like you wouldn't come up with a smart reply like, oh look, your only a sisi noob. LOL that's all you can say. So i'll guess you fail terribly to.

And i'll guess you said 'Ill stop posting to you after this' because you got an eve mail from CCP now.

Anyways, as i have told about how we Blaster pilots are doing PVP and how we think when we are doing PVP, then i can say for sure that someone in this topic are horribly wrong.

Because some of those only think about DPS and Tracking and how long range you can have on the weapons. But i will say it again, it's totally wrong to think that Lasers are op only because of that.

Someone wanna prove me wrong?. Comeon, i know you can do that.

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Seriously, if you actually read anything along all your trolling, you might have noticed there is about 987364592345234876325 people proving your wrong.

So quick quick, back to the cave now!

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Originally by: TimMc

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Imo, blasters need a tracking buff so they can operate in the close range, making up for faster transversal from worse webs.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 28/02/2009 11:53:01

Originally by: NightmareX

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Have you watched the movie i linked to longer up?.

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Not yet its a long download.

Originally by: NightmareX

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I want you to see it and answer me if Blasters still are crap and worthless in that movie?.

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PPl rarely post fraps of them losing fights but il look over it if it ever finishes downloading. Still at least these are TQ pvpers unlike you....

Originally by: NightmareX

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Don't deny to answer my question, because if you do, then it only shows one thing about you.

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Now i think i will actually stop the DL just cos of that little childish comment.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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1. Blasters on BS need reworking as they are now a almost worthless system on TQ, lasers can easily compete at close range with the available targets BS have especially when you factor in single let alone multiple webs.

4. Cap while considered the "bane of lasers" is also the bane of blasters as well if not more so as they need to almost constantly burn their MWD to get into optimal range where they do very little more dps than lasers anyway.

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Originally by: cucac

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 28/02/2009 13:07:54

Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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1. Blasters on BS need reworking as they are now a almost worthless system on TQ, lasers can easily compete at close range with the available targets BS have especially when you factor in single let alone multiple webs.

4. Cap while considered the "bane of lasers" is also the bane of blasters as well if not more so as they need to almost constantly burn their MWD to get into optimal range where they do very little more dps than lasers anyway.

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Point 1 is a pure lie.

About point 4. Yes you have to use a little more cap to MWD to the targets, but that doesn't have so much to say tbh.

Watch the ABP movie and you will see what i mean.

There is nothing more to say about that.

The movie clearly shows that Blasters is pretty damn good in PVP when your doing PVP right in Blaster ships.

And Blaster BS'es are also pretty nice in what they are good in.

I don't know how many times i have said that, but i'm starting to get really tired of telling that everytime. And i don't know what your problem with Blasters is sophisticatedlimabean, but you seems to have a VERY big problem with something when it's about Blasters.

I personally have never had ANY problems with Blasters.

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HOW can be somebody that stupid ( really tried not to offend ) that he states all his arguments from some movie with view from 1 person with 135451341354 unseen other factors, other gang mates and so on. You are telling that blasters are fine because you saw that a mega with a gang killed another bs that was allready in his optimal ? Blasters are fine because you can easily warp out and warp back 20 km closer:D:D. You are pretty riddiculous.

As to blaster thing. Blasters advantage of higher dps isn't high enought to balance the fact it operates at extremly close range, not to mention tracking problems on top of that.

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Originally by: Andnowthenews

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Not only do they show that Blasters are fine in that movie, but they are showing that in every of their movies.

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Needing to use undock lag and using npc corp logistics just to get kills is proof that blasters need a boost not that they are fine

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Originally by: TrollmoreX

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Yeah, like, seriously dude, dont you know that referring to nonexsisting combat situations, being pvpgod of Sisi, links to random blasterthron movies, quotes of some corporation still using blasterships, uber ecm tempests, lots of using words like 'lol', 'clueless noob'and so forth are better arguments than common sense, numbers, actual TQ battle experience and so on?

Me and my lesser counterpart can only conclude that you are another 'clueless noob'

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Originally by: Andnowthenews

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Using Logistics and Falcons are a big part of how PVP is today. Just live with it.

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Logistics ad falcons are fine and id highly recommend them to be used by everybody, but using undock lag is a exploit and they use it a lot....

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Originally by: Theron Gyrow

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Originally by: NightmareX

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I bet you will still say Blasters are crappy and wortless, or that the enemies in the ABP movie is only noobs.

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A-yup. It's possible to get blasters to work if the opponents don't know what they're doing, or if you are doing RR fleets against non-RR fleets. The sad fact is that in every single one of those fights, they would have done even better if they had used Amarr BS. With the possible exception of the docking point fight where the Mega didn't even have a MWD fitted.

You aren't really claiming that the opponents in the vid were flying smart?

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Originally by: Theron Gyrow

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The fact is that nowadays the only people flying blaster BS successfully are those who are better than their opponents. If all pilots are good, there is just no contest.

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Originally by: Andnowthenews

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Edited by: Andnowthenews on 28/02/2009 14:49:27

Originally by: 7shining7one7

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dude, you forgot one very important thing..

you're his alt..

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I though murina was his alt...

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 28/02/2009 14:53:52
Anyway the troll has reminded me of my idea..

What i would do is increase the damage of blasters to at least match amarr scorch/mf dmg up to the 20km range with a steep falloff to 27/30km for gallente BS blaster ships.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Anyway the troll has reminded me of my idea..

What i would do is increase the damage of blasters to at least match amarr scorch/mf dmg up to the 20km range with a steep falloff to 27/30km for gallente BS blaster ships.

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You know that by doing that, your going to make something in EVE combat VERY unbalanced right?.

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A marginal increase in dmg for blasters within the 10-20km range would not change anything apart from making blasters marginally better in gangs.

And it would hardly be the end of "balance" in eve...

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 28/02/2009 15:28:25

Originally by: NightmareX

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Was the HP buff some years ago to make the combat last longer meant so you can boost the damage on guns more and more on weapons?.

If we just boost and boost the damage on weapons, then what was the reason for the HP buffs some years ago?.

If you boost Blasters, then Autocannons also need a boost in something. But as Autocannons are not, it doesn't need any boosts.

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Pointless question considering what is being asked AND HERE IS WHY:

Nobody is asking for blasters to be doing more max dmg than they are already are the idea is to be doing better dmg at their slightly longer ranges where they now do low dmg.

Lasers already do the amount of dmg we are talking about and they do it out to 45km ffs so giving blasters a bit more dmg in the 10-20km area does not increase blasters max dps it just increases the dps they do from 10-20km from low to a bit better/higher.

For somebody who considers themselves knowledgeable i would have thought you would have grasped that.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Your actually makes combat in EVE with Blasters way shorter in times if your gonna boost the Blasters as you want them to be.

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Considering we are giving blasters the same dmg as lasers get from 10-20km blaster fights will be only as fast as laser fights are now in those ranges, apart from the fact that lasers get a crap tonne more ehp and 25+km more doing that dmg...

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 28/02/2009 15:50:47

Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Your actually makes combat in EVE with Blasters way shorter in times if your gonna boost the Blasters as you want them to be.

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Considering we are giving blasters the same dmg as lasers get from 10-20km blaster fights will be only as fast as laser fights are now in those ranges, apart from the fact that lasers get a crap tonne more ehp and 25+km more doing that dmg...

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And you still forget that Lasers deals the crappiest damages. EM and Tharmal against armor omni tanks doesn't make lasers fights any faster, AT ALL.

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Blaster get slightly better dmg and dmg types.

Lasers get much greater range and ehp.

Sounds about right to me...

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Read this again:....

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I can read fine but what i said still applies, laser get much greater range and ehp while blasters get a slightly better max spike of dmg at very close range and better dmg types.

That does not change the fact that blasters need to do more dmg at 10-20km to make them slightly better in gang combat.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Read this again:....

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I can read fine but what i said still applies, laser get much greater range and ehp while blasters get a slightly better max spike of dmg at very close range and better dmg types.

That does not change the fact that blasters need to do more dmg at 10-20km to make them slightly better in gang combat.

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I don't know what you are on about, but Blasters works fine in gang combat now.

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Yup all you need is to camp a station in RR fits and with logistic and falcon alts and kill ships with undocking lag.......

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Originally by: The Djego

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Serious this is one of the worst vids in therm of claiming anything about Blasterperformance.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Only lazy pvpers want to have it like you want it to be. And do we want lazy pvpers in EVE?, no.

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Pulse ships have it like this now...in fact they have it with 25km more range and a crap tonne more ehp....

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Originally by: Mag's

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wow this threads gone south.

But regardless, blasters need a boost on tracking and damage.

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Originally by: Cohkka

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Originally by: NightmareX

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By doing that, you make combat in EVE now very unbalanced. And it also makes Blasters extremely overpowered. They will just be like they was before the web and speed nerf then.

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You mean making them a good ship for 1on1s against its intended targets? The only thing they're good at? Then, yes I want that to happen. They weren't better at that before the speed/web nerf, they were just better against smaller targets.

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Originally by: Mag's

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Rant...

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Mkay.

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Originally by: Andrest Disch

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Uhm, can i say seriously to you to?.

Did you even read what he said?. Gonna do this in caps lock so you can see what i say.

He said, T R Y FITTING 8 BEAMS ON A GEDDON, but then he said nah don't bother doing that, because it's really really hard to fit 8x Beams on a geddon without using RCU's. So then he said, that's the reason you often see 7x Beams geddons.

Not hard to understand dude.

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You often see 7x beams on Geddons because geddons only have 7 turret hardpoints.

The fact that neither of you noticed this kinda undermines your points.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Why?????....if you are true to your normal form you will forget/ignore that i have just said this (as you have done in this thread and the other one) within a page or two....

YOU ARE A TROLL

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 28/02/2009 23:07:18

Originally by: NightmareX

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Uhm, why do you call peoples here for trolls when your the biggest one and the best one to troll here?.

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Did you actually bother to read what you quoted???.

The clown has been told over and over and over in multiple threads that i do not think amaar needs a nerf but he insists on making post after post claiming things like i want blasters with 30km optimals and that i want amaar nerfed...


Do you think he has memory issues?, is mental?, or do you think he is just a pitiful troll making up extreme and totally unrealistic stories to try and emo up support...

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 28/02/2009 23:07:18

Originally by: NightmareX

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when you can explain stuffs like The Djego did here now, then i'm gonna talk with you. .

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When you can do the same instead if "waaa me on sissi in my ecmpest" you may be worth talking to...

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Now wanna come with something meaningful?.

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Tell you what if you post summat that does not involve a kronos or any other silly sissi fit i may listen to you.

If you can manage to reply to others with something other than a "that will ruin the balance in eve" comment with nothing to back it up i may do the same for you.

But until then you will reap what you have sown....

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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In absolutely every reply to me, you have to either mention sisi or my ECM Tempest. Do you have some mental problems with that or?.

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In virtually every reply you made earlier you used a sissi fight you had in one pimped ship or another to try and discredit a post of mine or others......you are reaping what you have sown suck it up and deal..

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Plenty of ppl including me have told you why that vid is worthless, you just lack the TQ pvp experience to see how simple and basic that sort of combat is and also how MANY types of BS could have done it as easily and how amarr would have been just as or even more effective.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Plenty of ppl including me have told you why that vid is worthless, you just lack the TQ pvp experience to see how simple and basic that sort of combat is and also how MANY types of BS could have done it as easily and how amarr would have been just as or even more effective.

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That vid is not worthless AT ALL. Your just to scared to just realize that that's how Blaster BS gangs are fighting today in empire and low sec.

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Sit outside station, see ship's undock, drop drone swarm to cause lag spike, call lockable targets, melt targets, RR as needed.

BS empire/low sec combat 101 and has been for a loooooong time although the introduction of ECM alts has made it even easier......

But you seem to think this is a modern affection... you don't see much of it or real gang pvp on sissi i suppose...

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Yeah, it's not like you can fight at a planet when the enemies are sitting at the stations. They can't just use magic and wosh, they are at a planet.

They HAVE to fight them where they have the chance to fight them.

ABP doesn't care where they fight, simply because all they are after is to kill them. It's why they have got a contract.

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They may or may not care but the fact is that like anybody with the slightest clue they fight in the place that gives them the biggest advantage and theirs none bigger than sitting on a undocking port with RR ready to drop a drone swarm......

Seriously bud the vid means very little to anybody who understands BS combat and proves nothing.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Yeah, it's not like you can fight at a planet when the enemies are sitting at the stations. They can't just use magic and wosh, they are at a planet.

They HAVE to fight them where they have the chance to fight them.

ABP doesn't care where they fight, simply because all they are after is to kill them. It's why they have got a contract.

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They may or may not care but the fact is that like anybody with the slightest clue they fight in the place that gives them the biggest advantage and theirs none bigger than sitting on a undocking port with RR ready to drop a drone swarm......

Seriously bud the vid means very little to anybody who understands BS combat and proves nothing.

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So would fighting at station give them more advantage then fighting at a gate?.

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Not knowing the answer to that question shows you should sit quietly and just read posts instead of making them.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 01/03/2009 00:14:28

Originally by: NightmareX

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Did i ask my self that question, or did i ask you?.

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If you already know the answer you were being manipulative and as such will be ignored.

Make a statement that can be debated and discussed or not, do not play word games.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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I already know the answer dude.

Learn to read maybe?.

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If you already know the answer then you do not need me to answer.

Learn to be direct maybe?.

PS: i will never answer a manipulative question like that so have the balls to make a direct statement or not its up to you.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Does Blasters need to be boosted?.

No they don't.

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For somebody who earlier insisted of full details before he was willing to reply you tend to give very little in the way of explanations for you statements....

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 01/03/2009 00:37:13

Originally by: NightmareX

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And you gives any better explanations on why Blasters need to be boosted?.

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Actually if you read i have given full spread posts with details, graphs, comparisons to other systems with additional references to regular and well known styles on pvp on TQ.

And the best responses from you come in one liners like "that will utter ruin the balance of eve" or "i beat 5 noobs in BS and CS in my pimped kronos so i know gang pvp" ect ect.....

Or you paste a link to a vid containing a really basic form exploitative pvp and you actually think it proves a damn thing cos the pilots were in blaster ships, when any noob knows you can do what they did with any BS and proly better with amarr...

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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See, you are given a full explanation with several references to regular in game TQ events and scenarios and look at your juvenile and ignorant response...

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 01/03/2009 00:46:17

Originally by: NightmareX

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So saying that your EFT warrior graph is real TQ experience, yeah i have to agree to that, right everyone?.

Lets all pat sophisticatedlimabean on his shoulder for being very good at PVP only because he can show stats on different ships on EFT.

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See....,you ignore all but what you choose to fixate on in order to dismiss with a single comment all the other things you are unable to deal with.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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What do i ignore?. Yes i ignore your pure eft warrior crap. THAT'S WHAT I'M IGNORING.

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No you are using the graphs to justify ignoring all the rest of the postings on here.

The graphs were used to show that in normal combat that a webbed BS did not have enough transversal to give a real negative effect in regards to lasers and blasters, and it did that perfectly.

I even logged into sissi and tested available orbits, and that is where i got that screenie of you in your pimped navy mega "testing fit" you were using to waggle your epeen in local....

But like i say you totally ignore that and focus on the fact the very valid graphs were made with EFT.....

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Originally by: The Djego

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Range isn¦t the problem, it is the drawback what forces Blaster ships to small Gang/solo and limits them in bigger gangs.

The Problem is the ability to projekt the EFT DPS on the target at your Optimal well enught to get a advantage(looking at the Web changes here). More Tracking would help, while still leaving especialy the Medium sized Ships like the Thorax/Brutix preaty much dead against anything with a Scrambler in the same class(since you are with Electrons/Ions in 99% of the Fittings and they loose 60% of her damage allready till 9km with Null(scram Range). Fitting a Scram on your ship to isn¦t the ultimate solution here, since if both ships are out of MWD the ship with the bigger range still wins.

Aditonal to this with the Torp/EM Resist changes other ships comming quite close to your DPS(not only in EFT but also in actual gameplay), taking away your advantage of DPS(for what you have to pay in Range in the beginning).

Prestocs approch with the nerfed Lasers would be solid, but it wouldn¦t actualy improve the role of Blaster Ships in small Gang, it would only nerf Amarr back to a pure fleet role.
I for myself would not welcome this, actualy the Tanks this days are preaty insane compared to the DPS(keep in mind I usely fly full gank setups with Gallente) even before you took fancy Combat Boosters and Faction Stuff into account.

I personaly suggested mutliple times a Bonus to web strengt that would give Blaster ships the needet advantage within 12km range back(where they should have a advanatge after all) and give Medium sized Blasters Ships a chance to in a fights involving a Scrambler. The Bonus don¦t have to be as strong as on the Kronos, even 50% of this would help a lot in general gameplay and prevents them from beeing kited within Web Range.

Personaly I would like to see another 5-10% DPS increase on Blasters(even in ROF to increase the Cap need) to give real gank fittings a real chance back to break tank fittings of her own class, so the Glass cannon concept actualy starts working again compared to the Tanks we see atm on TQ(keep in mind that tanking still is easyer and faster to skill, easyer to boost with Rigs, Combat Boosters, Imps and Faction/Complex Mods).

Minmatar Recons should also have the same role Bonus, since they are atm just crap because of the nerfed Webs.

This and the reballancing of Optimal/Falloff for AKs like on SHC sugestedThread would make Mini/Gallente again the choice in solo/small gang giving both back the beaf they lost with the 90% Web and the QR Changes to Nano(ofc including a fix to Rockets and HAMs aswell since they lack to much against her own sized counterparts).

Like sayed before ballanced Ships in PVP is down to the varity/role against ballanced overall. I for myself chose the first in any way, since it keeps EvE more interesting.

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Originally by: The Djego

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The Vid is worthless to anyting about ballance questions.
Anybody that actualy PVP on TQ in Low Sec\Empire Wars knows that Puls/Torp Fittings do the same job in 9/10 Cases without the need of MWDing after your target to get in range.
ABPs don¦t fail for fielding Blaster Setups, it is the ultimate solution for fight in an close to docking\jumping Range in Empire wars(to kill things before deagressing/docking) but PVP isn¦t like this all the time. It is like comparing Moorhuhn with Coutnerstrike, in both you see a crossair moving and a klick, but it isn¦t actualy the same if you know both games. ..........................................

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Yup blasters need work doing to them.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Lasers are being used as a comparison for blasters in this and other threads and as such are overpowered by that comparison. Thet are way more effective than blasters at their longer ranges but almost as good as blasters at closer "so called" blaster ranges.

Now this is because blasters need work and are for want of a better description underpowered in relation to lasers, but the terms apply and as such a buff to blasters NOT a nerf to lasers is required.

PS: And to AC.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 01/03/2009 01:34:00

Originally by: NightmareX

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Yes, the lasers are almost as good as Blasters in close range, your right on that.

But again, you fail to realize that the resists to EM and Thermal on a Megathron who have a omni tank is so strong that the lasers is not that good anylonger.

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The MAX dmg done on ever mixed race BS fight says you are wrong....

Are blasters as good at 45km (laser optimal) as lasers are at 5 (blaster optimal)?...nope blasters cannot even hit at that range while laser are doing their max dmg.

Now the thing is that nobody including me want them to be, all that is being asked is for a minor dmg and tracking adjustment at closer ranges.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 01/03/2009 01:38:12

Originally by: NightmareX

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And the smart peoples who use their brains like djego says i am also wrong.

Stop with the yadda yadda talk. lasers are mid range weapon, not close range weapon.

Get it?. Or am i proving to be even more stupid?.

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YES..

Se what i did there...

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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ad hom

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Oh dear are we here already...

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Originally by: NightmareX

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ad hom and troll

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/ignore until on topic responses and valid arguments resume...

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