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UnseenChaos
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Posted - 2009.02.07 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: UnseenChaos on 07/02/2009 10:29:52
Now I know theres alot of people for and against this but I would like to put forward this suggestion which I think is fair.
Attributes... alot of new players made mistakes when picking their attributes I know I did, charisma is the same as my int/mem... yay me... so I propose that after say 1-2 months of playing when the player has gotten to know how the game works they have the option to change their base attributes "Once" after that its permenant... obviously everyone who is older than 1-2 months should get this one time change aswell to keep it fair...
Now for SP`s... I suggest that skills that are unwanted rather than just go have the player rapidly redistribute them have the unwanted skill drain into another skill and boost the speed at which the selected skill is trained... the boost increasing train speed by 140-150%, this would mean that SP can be reallocated but not allow ppl to shift between skills rapidly and exploit the system.
I personally would like to see something like this come into play but It is just an idea any feedback on it would be appreciated :) |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.02.07 10:47:00 -
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There are a lot of posts requesting SP resets whenever a patch with major changes is launched. In most other games it makes sense as there is a cap on the mount of skills you can have, be it from a character class or through some other means.
Eve does not have an artificial cap like that. Anyone can train anything given enough time, so the reasoning for a reset falls very flat.
Base Attributes should not be changed once a character enters space, would remove the whole RPG part of MMORPG.
There are rumblings that the upcoming wormhole addition has Charisma as "better" choice, don't know if its from the T3 training, could just be hot air.
Depending on how you like to play, good charisma can be invaluable. I have a very low score and when I decided to train for POS gunnery and leadership skill I facepalmed at the times involved.
All fleets like to have characters with good leadership skills, not only to act as fleet boosters but to fill up squad/wing command positions. My best friend in combat is the fleet booster that gives me 15% more hitpoints 
1-2 months is nothing in the grand scheme, why not make a second character on the account and use the first as a specialized something or other? Then again, the split training time might not be worth it. |
Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.02.07 19:53:00 -
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Start over.
OR
Sell some time cards and buy a character you like from the Character Bazaar. |
Kalia Masaer
Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2009.02.07 21:44:00 -
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I believe this is currently underdevelopment by ccp and is intended to be deployed in March. A DEV in the alliance tournament discussion group briefly discussed being able to pay ISK to rearrange your attributes every six months. |
Ninjasalvagingislegal
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Posted - 2009.02.07 21:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Kalia Masaer
I believe this is currently underdevelopment by ccp and is intended to be deployed in March. A DEV in the alliance tournament discussion group briefly discussed being able to pay ISK to rearrange your attributes every six months.
God lets hope not. I could see maybe allowing someone to do it once but not every 6 months. |
Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.02.07 21:50:00 -
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I hope not. CCP should try to better educate new players rather then "sell out" any futher.
Maybe they should give a free, limited time offer, respec when a character reaches 3 months. I personally hope they never make it an option.
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2009.02.07 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kalia Masaer
I believe this is currently underdevelopment by ccp and is intended to be deployed in March. A DEV in the alliance tournament discussion group briefly discussed being able to pay ISK to rearrange your attributes every six months.
That would be great how bout rolling this with ambulation so a sicense trained character can open a genetic alteration Facility that would for a Fee once every x months (or fixed amount of times like 3 limit) allow you to shift the attributes within your original bloodline stats and or retrieve implants without destrying them?
Make it really high science sp requirement
Also nice premium on the rent of the lab etc it would create whole new mini profession.
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Kalia Masaer
Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2009.02.07 21:53:00 -
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It is only for you 5 points you get to distribute I believe so not that big an issue.
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2009.02.07 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Dors Venabily on 07/02/2009 22:04:52
Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
I hope not. CCP should try to better educate new players rather then "sell out" any futher.
Maybe they should give a free, limited time offer, respec when a character reaches 3 months. I personally hope they never make it an option.
Hey iam 05 not exactly new and i messed up All i need is one time dam it :D too late to change now
But thinking more on this topic i think it should be once a year with max of 3 that should give ppl chance to correct mistakes and not abuse it
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2009.02.07 22:18:00 -
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The problem at hand is the fact that there is a chance 'to mess up' in the first place.
The problem is the difference in attribute usefulness and the lack of really helpful information concerning character creation and attributes.
Redistributing points is nothing more than trying to alleviate symptoms instead or finding ways to get rid of the cause.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.02.07 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dors Venabily
Hey iam 05 not exactly new and i messed up All i need is one time dam it :D too late to change now
But thinking more on this topic i think it should be once a year with max of 3 that should give ppl chance to correct mistakes and not abuse it
I dunno, ya look like you did ok to me. Yer still playin. My int is way to high, but I worked around it.
I do feel bad for anyone that took a really high Cha though.
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Torain
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Posted - 2009.02.07 22:30:00 -
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What's to stop players from abusing this? Planning their first 3 months of training around the fact that they get to change their stats later?
This just screams for someone to take advantage of it. People not in the know will be even FARTHER behind, as it makes the skill planning even more convoluted! Imagine trying to figure out the fastest way to obtain certain skills.
This is silly. Skill point deficiencies are alleviated with Learning skills and Implants. Use those!
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.02.07 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Torain
What's to stop players from abusing this? Planning their first 3 months of training around the fact that they get to change their stats later?
This just screams for someone to take advantage of it. People not in the know will be even FARTHER behind, as it makes the skill planning even more convoluted! Imagine trying to figure out the fastest way to obtain certain skills.
This is silly. Skill point deficiencies are alleviated with Learning skills and Implants. Use those!
I agree, I was just offering a compromise in case they decide to add respec for isk into the game. |
Dray
Caldari
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies
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Posted - 2009.02.07 23:29:00 -
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1 time only maybe, I don't know tbh, Ive been playing since launch, most of my attribs are balanced which sucks a bit as Ive most of my sp in combat skills so even with max learning and +5's my perc is 23, the same as my charisma, had I known the way the game was going to go back then I wouldn't have balanced them.
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2009.02.07 23:39:00 -
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I would like to add that i don't support free for all redistribution but ther should be in my opinion at least one chance to fix mess ups. I don't want to sell my character its been with me a long time I just want to have chance to fix my mistake that i did long time ago when i was new without having to start over again. And i think there are many folks like me in the game. It not game breaking to redistribute those 5 points again within the rules of your race bloodline 
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2009.02.08 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 08/02/2009 00:10:55
Originally by: Dors Venabily
It not game breaking to redistribute those 5 points again within the rules of your race bloodline
That's what you think.
Shifting 5 points from Int/Mem to Perc/Will is quite a lot of impact.
Apart from that, even if it doesn't break the game, it will soften it up. Where is the decision? Where is the consequence?
Most importantly: where is the variety?
I mean it's sad enough as it is, that basically the only thing that makes characters different attribute-wise is initial lack of knowledge.
With attribute re-specs and possible loss of learning skills, we get near the point where CCP could just as well scrap all the (not that it is much to begin with..) different stats for bloodlines and let us distribute all attribute points freely. Yay.
The best solution, from my point of view, is to balance the importance of attributes, with relation to the effective number of active characters.
This means that if 70% of characters, or better yet, total character skillpoints, are distributed among combat skills, then those skills are very likely to be more popular and (thus) more important.
I am very sure that especially with such a weighting, skills based on charisma will turn out to be almost irrelevant.
That's where the fix should be.
Make charisma more important.
Introduce skills based on charisma that are not only viable for a very limited number of characters. |
Aethrwolf
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.08 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
Originally by: Dors Venabily
Hey iam 05 not exactly new and i messed up All i need is one time dam it :D too late to change now
But thinking more on this topic i think it should be once a year with max of 3 that should give ppl chance to correct mistakes and not abuse it
I dunno, ya look like you did ok to me. Yer still playin. My int is way to high, but I worked around it.
I do feel bad for anyone that took a really high Cha though.
that would be me.. Cha is 2 point HIGHER than will and per.. oops.
while its annoying I deal with it. Now if the option to reallocate comes up.. I'll use it, but I dont really see a need for it. Live with your mistakes, folks,
If CCP does follow through and allow you to reallocate, it should only be once, and then only for the points you allocated individually in creation, not any points from your race/bloodline/profession choices. |
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