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Madrigalo Nascosto
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Posted - 2009.02.08 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Madrigalo Nascosto on 08/02/2009 13:29:06 Edited by: Madrigalo Nascosto on 08/02/2009 13:27:32 My proposal is to give the interdiction field of generators or probes a strength of 1 or 2 like in the usual warp scramblers. If more fields are used the effect could stack. I cant see why those fields have to be all mighty. Also it makes no sense.... Its my believe this would encourage more players to solo PvP because they have a chance to escape from the usual gang bang scenario... the gang bangers would have to use serveral interdictors.. maybe 2-3 ... you see my point...
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Ixich
Gallente Divinity Within The Eden Project
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Posted - 2009.02.08 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Madrigalo Nascosto Edited by: Madrigalo Nascosto on 08/02/2009 13:30:03 ...I cant see why those fields have to be all mighty. Also it makes no sense....
They are designed to stop capital ships normally immune to warp disruption effects. They are meant to be strongest warp disruption and thus they won't change.
-Ix-
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Madrigalo Nascosto
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Posted - 2009.02.08 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Madrigalo Nascosto on 08/02/2009 14:15:21
Originally by: Ixich
They are designed to stop capital ships normally immune to warp disruption effects. They are meant to be strongest warp disruption and thus they won't change. -Ix-
Not a problem to respect that... Leave the effect on capitals to be all mighty.. reduce the effect on smaller vessels... Cant see why it has to be the way it is.... Also if it was "Specially" designed to stop capitals why does it work on small vessels at all... ? Does not make sense... An easy solution to this would be a new interdiction field generator item to stop capitals.. it would be almighty.. the usual interdiction fields would have then strngth 1-2...
regards
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.08 17:09:00 -
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Its already extremely easy to got through any low sec camp. |
Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.02.08 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet Its already extremely easy to got through any low sec camp.
Since he's talking about the fields, I don't think he means low sec. |
Isaac Starstriker
Amarr Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.08 17:14:00 -
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No. HICs are fine. Quit trying to solo in 0.0 lol.
--Isaac |
eliminator2
Gallente Annihilate.
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Posted - 2009.02.08 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Madrigalo Nascosto Edited by: Madrigalo Nascosto on 08/02/2009 14:15:21
Originally by: Ixich
They are designed to stop capital ships normally immune to warp disruption effects. They are meant to be strongest warp disruption and thus they won't change. -Ix-
Not a problem to respect that... Leave the effect on capitals to be all mighty.. reduce the effect on smaller vessels... Cant see why it has to be the way it is.... Also if it was "Specially" designed to stop capitals why does it work on small vessels at all... ? Does not make sense... An easy solution to this would be a new interdiction field generator item to stop capitals.. it would be almighty.. the usual interdiction fields would have then strngth 1-2...
regards
why does a rocket launcher work on humans if its spec just for vehicles?
that is what your asking here its dumb smaller ships are weaker so for the specialized warp dis on heavy int find it very easy to grab hold off one of the small ships and its average for it to grab a cap its commen sence tbh
and my next question is
did you make the threahd because one caught you and killed you if so door is that way >>>>>>> |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.08 17:47:00 -
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no one likes running into a HIC or an Interdictor.
But this proposal is wacked.
Not supported. |
Madrigalo Nascosto
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet Its already extremely easy to got through any low sec camp.
And by that you mean Jump into low sec uncloak and warp to the next stargate.. has nothing to do with PvP or leaving a zone of fully engaged combat....
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker No. HICs are fine. Quit trying to solo in 0.0 lol. --Isaac
And your argument to proof that would be ? void atm... I will never stop soloing in low sec or 0.0 for that matter....
Originally by: eliminator2
why does a rocket launcher work on humans if its spec just for vehicles? that is what your asking here its dumb smaller ships are weaker so for the specialized warp dis on heavy int find it very easy to grab hold off one of the small ships and its average for it to grab a cap its commen sence tbh and my next question is did you make the threahd because one caught you and killed you if so door is that way >>>>>>>
Stop watching TV. A rocket will not trigger on a human. The rocket will fly through the body thus maybe killing the victim but thats not the effect you would be looking for at all... Also there is no need to be rude....
Originally by: Drake Draconis no one likes running into a HIC or an Interdictor.
Maybe. But again not an argument.. Someone try a litle harder...
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 08/02/2009 21:47:59 Let me put it into words your small 3rd grade brain can understand.
Adapt or die.
There are plenty of ways to get around a HIC.
If you can't figure that out... then you have no business making proposals...
This is nothing more than a child whining for retribution for getting ganked. |
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:47:00 -
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Hello, HICs get a -90% penalty to speed and -80% penalty to thrust when their bubble is up. If you cannot outrun a HIC for a few km in order to warp out then you fail at moving your ship.
Bubble camps are needed in 0.0 in order to defend an area of space. 0.0 is not happy free for everyone land, that is called high security space. If you want something in 0.0 then you have to take it, not whine for mechanics to suit your no risk, carebear attitude. --
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Madrigalo Nascosto
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 08/02/2009 21:47:59 Let me put it into words your small 3rd grade brain can understand. Adapt or die. There are plenty of ways to get around a HIC. If you can't figure that out... then you have no business making proposals... This is nothing more than a child whining for retribution for getting ganked.
Thats supposed to be an argument? If your are not able to supply one you should realy not reply to this or any matter.
Originally by: Vaal Erit Hello, HICs get a -90% penalty to speed and -80% penalty to thrust when their bubble is up. If you cannot outrun a HIC for a few km in order to warp out then you fail at moving your ship. Bubble camps are needed in 0.0 in order to defend an area of space. 0.0 is not happy free for everyone land, that is called high security space. If you want something in 0.0 then you have to take it, not whine for mechanics to suit your no risk, carebear attitude.
Its easy to turn your argument around and say your just convenient the way it is that doesnt mean its good for everyone or a larger part of the players or eve itself. Sure its easy to outrun a single interdictor but that is not whats happening. The moment you single encouter someone you get gang/fleet jumped and are dead within seconds without a chance of retreat. It should be possible to solo PvP 3 enemy vessels and at least have a chance. Its easy to prove CCP is on my side with that or a ship like the Golem would not exist. I am just wondering if they are aware of the whole solo PvP issue....
regards
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Sensor Boosting
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Madrigalo Nascosto
Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 08/02/2009 21:47:59 Let me put it into words your small 3rd grade brain can understand. Adapt or die. There are plenty of ways to get around a HIC. If you can't figure that out... then you have no business making proposals... This is nothing more than a child whining for retribution for getting ganked.
Thats supposed to be an argument? If your are not able to supply one you should realy not reply to this or any matter.
Originally by: Vaal Erit Hello, HICs get a -90% penalty to speed and -80% penalty to thrust when their bubble is up. If you cannot outrun a HIC for a few km in order to warp out then you fail at moving your ship. Bubble camps are needed in 0.0 in order to defend an area of space. 0.0 is not happy free for everyone land, that is called high security space. If you want something in 0.0 then you have to take it, not whine for mechanics to suit your no risk, carebear attitude.
Its easy to turn your argument around and say your just convenient the way it is that doesnt mean its good for everyone or a larger part of the players or eve itself. Sure its easy to outrun a single interdictor but that is not whats happening. The moment you single encouter someone you get gang/fleet jumped and are dead within seconds without a chance of retreat. It should be possible to solo PvP 3 enemy vessels and at least have a chance. Its easy to prove CCP is on my side with that or a ship like the Golem would not exist. I am just wondering if they are aware of the whole solo PvP issue....
regards
There's nothing wrong with HIC's, and its nothing to do with HIC's if u get get gangbanged. a HIC is there for tackling, if it tackles you then it most likely has backup somewhere as they dont do much dmg on their own |
Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:29:00 -
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Bubble's are a part of what makes 0.0 what it is.
It is very possible to beat a bubble camp, even a very large one, with the right ship and experience.
Pilots in unfriendly 0.0 space who are not in scout-type ships and/or do not know how to beat a bubble should not move solo. Larger, slower ships should always have a scout flying, and jumping through gates, ahead of them.
It is the scouts job to find out if there's a camp (with our without a bubble) on the other side of the gate.
I know this because I am the primary scout for my corp. It's a very fun job.
I run into bubbles and camps frequently, and I really don't see a need to nerf the heavy 'dictors.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Madrigalo Nascosto
Its easy to turn your argument around and say your just convenient the way it is that doesnt mean its good for everyone or a larger part of the players or eve itself. Sure its easy to outrun a single interdictor but that is not whats happening. The moment you single encouter someone you get gang/fleet jumped and are dead within seconds without a chance of retreat. It should be possible to solo PvP 3 enemy vessels and at least have a chance. Its easy to prove CCP is on my side with that or a ship like the Golem would not exist. I am just wondering if they are aware of the whole solo PvP issue....
regards
If this made any sense at all, I would gladly respond, but you fail to understand English as well as game mechanics. The Golem was designed for PvE, not PvP. It's also called using a scout/map, but I guess basic military strategy is completely lost on you. Omg, I just responded to random words that made no sense, god this thread sucks. |
Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:00:00 -
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HIC's are probably one of the most balanced and best designed ships in game. Great for lowsec and tackling supercaps rather bleh for everything else. |
Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Yorda HIC's are probably one of the most balanced and best designed ships in game. Great for lowsec and tackling supercaps rather bleh for everything else.
actually bc are the most balanced and best designed ships. hics are just t2 cruiser that make one useless mod even more useless.
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Nnamuachs
Caldari Kiith Paktu Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
Originally by: Madrigalo Nascosto
Its easy to turn your argument around and say your just convenient the way it is that doesnt mean its good for everyone or a larger part of the players or eve itself. Sure its easy to outrun a single interdictor but that is not whats happening. The moment you single encouter someone you get gang/fleet jumped and are dead within seconds without a chance of retreat. It should be possible to solo PvP 3 enemy vessels and at least have a chance. Its easy to prove CCP is on my side with that or a ship like the Golem would not exist. I am just wondering if they are aware of the whole solo PvP issue....
regards
If this made any sense at all, I would gladly respond, but you fail to understand English as well as game mechanics. The Golem was designed for PvE, not PvP. It's also called using a scout/map, but I guess basic military strategy is completely lost on you. Omg, I just responded to random words that made no sense, god this thread sucks.
Pot calling the kettle black much? ships are designed for what you use them for, yes there is a tractor beam bonus on marauders, but their "intention" was extended stays deep in enemy territory, using the rats to supplement their supplies in enemy space (along with their sizeable cargo). I've seen many many marauders used and quite effectively in PvP situations.
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Lord McPott
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Posted - 2009.02.13 18:35:00 -
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I like the idea as long as it dont touches what HICs are doing atm.
Also cant see why ppl continue to babble about their precious 0.0 maybe they should read the whole thread.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.13 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 13/02/2009 19:15:40
Originally by: Madrigalo Nascosto
Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 08/02/2009 21:47:59 Let me put it into words your small 3rd grade brain can understand. Adapt or die. There are plenty of ways to get around a HIC. If you can't figure that out... then you have no business making proposals... This is nothing more than a child whining for retribution for getting ganked.
Thats supposed to be an argument? If your are not able to supply one you should realy not reply to this or any matter.
No... it's supposed to be an insult you moron! Get your head out of your ass and go back to WOW.
If you can't read the bloody posts people post without getting off your high horse then you have no business making stupid whine's like this.
Your fail is epic... and you obviously do not know how to play the game.
Its so clear to me now... you got ganked at a gate camp and it was done by a HIC pilot who knew what he was doing.
This is your pathetic attempt at getting rid of them because your tired of getting podded.
fess up or STFU oh and the door is this way... WOW is waiting for you. |
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Efrim Black
Gallente Apellon
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Posted - 2009.02.13 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Madrigalo Nascosto
But again not an argument.. Someone try a litle harder...
Heres an argument dipstick.
Premise 1 : HIC's fulfill their current role very well according to the EVE community.
Premise 2 : You can not provide proof otherwise in your OP, or in your subsequent posts.
Conclusion : HIC's do not need to be changed.
Now GTFO out of here and stop wasting our time.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.02.13 22:20:00 -
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cba to repeat the good points made above, so: NO
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Apolluon
Gallente No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.02.14 01:09:00 -
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LOL, please stop wasting everyones time, Dictor are fine the way they are, if you dont like getting stuck in a Dictor bubble, dont go into other people house, simple as that.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.14 05:34:00 -
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Getting dropped out of warp or stuck in a bubble
...get a got damn cloak already |
Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.02.14 06:11:00 -
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Hictors do need a nerf and boost.
1. Devoter and Phobos need a boost. Phobos needs 50m3 of drone bay; Devoter needs "5% bonus to medium energy turret rate of fire" changed to a dmg mod instead. ROF hurts cap
2. Hictors need their sensor resolution bottomed out like mad. They were designed to come in to bring balance to low sec moms. That's the ONLY purpose. 1/10 their sensor resolution. Aka around 25mm or so. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
PrimaryIsYou
BACKUPLEGION
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Posted - 2009.02.14 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
2. Hictors need their sensor resolution bottomed out like mad. They were designed to come in to bring balance to low sec moms. That's the ONLY purpose. 1/10 their sensor resolution. Aka around 25mm or so.
One of their functions was to provide a method for tackling lowsec supercaps, that is not their only function. |
Foulque
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Posted - 2009.02.14 13:10:00 -
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HICs are fine as they are.
I take it you're just crying because your stabs won't work around them? |
Anna Kommenos
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Posted - 2009.02.19 06:17:00 -
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*no sec rat farming* *gets caught by hictor w/ bubble* *too stupid to fit a cloak, watch local or think about how pvp works* *attempts to get hictors nerfed* *fails oh so hard*
*rinse/repeat*
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.02.19 16:35:00 -
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While your proposal is 100% ******ed -- one thing you may want to pursue is a scan res penalty to be associated with having a bubble up. Basically will make a HIC have a friend there for webbing.
Other than that, your proposal stinks of Elderberries.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.19 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Notlimah While your proposal is 100% ******ed -- one thing you may want to pursue is a scan res penalty to be associated with having a bubble up. Basically will make a HIC have a friend there for webbing.
Other than that, your proposal stinks of Elderberries.
And we fart in your general direction! =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
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