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Grak Yarn
Minmatar
Vherokior Forward Progession Group
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Posted - 2009.02.08 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Grak Yarn on 08/02/2009 16:19:48
Mister Jarek,
I am pleased and surprised to hear about your planned trip to Pator. This is an unusual thing, possibly unprecedented in the one hundred and twenty or so years of the Republics existence, and I welcome to opportunity for you to come and see your cousins with open arms. However, there are those in the republic who would see this as little more then an invasion, and thus I offer the services of myself and my uncle, Tomaas Yarn, ground based company, Yarn Security Services Inc. ("One hundred years of private protection and counting!") as volunteers to help keep you safe during your trip to our fair Republic. I also offer the Yarn Clan (Of which I am clan chief) as a temporary home to you, or even one of the Yarn Hostel's ("Where the everyman and the elite meet in safety, comfort, and warmth."), a string owned by my father. I look forward to your visit and hope to talk to you in person at some point. I apologize for the public nature of this invitation but I have no other way to contact you, so here is hoping you read the IGS. If your interested, please get into contact with me as soon as you can.
-Grak Pontius-Gallus Havelock Yarn
CEO, VFPG
Clan Chief, Yarn Clan
P.S. If you require anything to be imported, tell me, I have an aunt who runs an import/export business and can probably get a hold of anything you need. |
Inara Subaka
Caldari
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.02.08 18:38:00 -
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Wait, you're not going to cry for the dogs of war to be released so his head can be placed on a pike? Or are you just like the others that have spoken thus far, and are simply attempting to lull a sense of security? Of course to answer that would be rather foolish to admit, so I don't expect an answer.
I'm waiting on some fanatic to kill this traveling religious man, it will only provide to feed fuel to the fire of the Amarrian belief that the Republic is full of uncivilized savages.
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Shern
Minmatar
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.08 18:49:00 -
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I doubt the holy man will take up your offer, Grak, but..uh..thanks, I guess, for the good deed of trying to protect a man of God.
P.S I don't think he'll need the help of the import export business. |
Shirley Serious
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.08 19:18:00 -
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What will probably happen is that the Republic Security Service will assassinate this preacher, and plant false evidence on him, showing that he was an agent for the Amarr Theology Council.
They will do this, using a patsy, who they will also attempt to arrest, but "bungle" and kill, and plant false evidence on, showing that their patsy was an agent for the Amarr Ministry of Internal Order.
Thereby "demonstrating" to the Republic populace, that "Amarrians" cannot be trusted, that any freemen who say good things about the Empire are "spies" and not to be trusted, that there will be never be peace, and that the only option is for all out war where billions will die.
Yes.
Yes, I am. |
Davlos
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:22:00 -
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There's a whole clan of Yarns?
A whole clan of whining, leaning-traitor Vherokior sounds a lot like the end of the world. |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.02.08 23:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Davlos
There's a whole clan of Yarns?
A whole clan of whining, leaning-traitor Vherokior sounds a lot like the end of the world.
Davlos ...
Aside from the whining, for which you famously substitute verbal abuse, and the the "Vherokior" ...
I'm sorry, but how does this differ from a Caldari view on yourself?
Mr. Yarn follows his conscience, as apparently do you. I can respect this in both cases. Although, come to think of it, a "Davlos clan" does sound a little end-of-the-world-like.
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Esna Pitoojee
Amarr
Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem
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Posted - 2009.02.09 03:25:00 -
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Your efforts, Grak, are appreciated. Not by me, but by those who see your actions and know that the stereo type of Matari as bloodthirsty, savage murderers is wrong.
I do hope that your security services will be uneeded. Either way, thank you. |
Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar
Cwn Annwn Clan
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:17:00 -
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Davlos, don't drag the Vherokior into this, he doesn't speak for us, no matter how much he pretends to.
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Daevonar
Minmatar
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.09 19:12:00 -
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I am surprised by the sentiments shown by many of our people, especially those who fight with tooth and tongue for a resolution to our captive brothers and sisters. Davlos, I had always heard that Electus Matari backed the path of sensible resolution to the Amarr situation, certainly holding back further expansion by our enemy, but at the same time expecting a resolution based on diplomacy and mediation, how can you then berate a man for making an offer that could help make such mediation more likely to take place?
I applaud the sentiments of Grak's offer. Unlike the Amarr, we do not have a history of forcing people to either take up, or refute any religion. If one of our people wishes to preach in favour of a religion, even the Amarrian faith, why should we turn them away, indeed how can we do so without being hypocritical in the extreme after we have continuously judged and damned the Amarrian people for their intolerance of other faiths and refusal to challenge their own teachings.
Let this preacher come, let him speak, and let him rise or fall based on the content of his words, not on some pre-conceived idea of his worth.
I'm sure if he maintains the prejudiced view of all non-Amarr that his former masters have placed at the core of their worship, he will be given short thrift from his listeners, yet if he truly has found some wisdom, comfort and solace within his religion, and offers this to us, why should we not listen, and what better way to show we have the tollerance that we so criticise the lack of in our enemies.
We are a free people, he will he preaches to people who have been taught to think for themselves, and not accept dogmatically the tennets of a certain religion. What is it then that we have to be afraid of in his words, why should he not speak them, and make converts if people find sense in what he says?
People wish to damn this man for taking up a certain faith, but it is not the belief in the Amarrians God which is behind the plight of our people, but the way that the Amarrians use and twist this to suite their purposes. Let this man in, let us lay to rest our enemies greatest lie. In this we have a chance to start to undo the harm that the Amarr religion has done to us, by making it our own and showing that it does not need to be practised only as a means to control, dominate and enslave. Just as he has much he wishes to teach us, so too do we have much that is good to show him, and his followers, and 'twixt the two, a new understanding just might be found.
People say it is dangerous to let this man in to our territory, I say it is more dangerous and harmfull to alienate him, and throw away a chance to weaken one of the links that chain our enemies and ourselves in this eternal conflict.
Dae.
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Esna Pitoojee
Amarr
Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem
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Posted - 2009.02.09 23:16:00 -
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Pilot Daevonar, that is one of the most... impressive and brave things I have heard for a while. |
Vincent Death
Caldari
K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.02.10 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Esna Pitoojee
Pilot Daevonar, that is one of the most... impressive and brave things I have heard for a while.
Seconded. Every man should be able to speak as he wills, just as every man should be able to think as he wills.
The proper name for a social system based on political freedom is capitalism. |
Stitcher
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.02.10 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Davlos
There's a whole clan of Yarns?
From what I gather, yes. He certainly never stops talking about his big ball of Yarn. |
Gottii
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.02.10 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
From what I gather, yes. He certainly never stops talking about his big ball of Yarn.
No one spins a Yarn like he does... |
Grak Yarn
Minmatar
Vherokior Forward Progession Group
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Posted - 2009.02.10 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Grak Yarn on 10/02/2009 14:19:10
Mister Daevonor, your well thought out words bring unbridled joy to my heart, and I can only hope a dozen more like you pop up like you have now.
Thank you for your comment.
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No expansion without equilibrium, no conquest without control. Pursue success in serenity, and service to the people. |
Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:35:00 -
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Personally, I hope someone blasts this blithering preaching idiot out of the sky the second he crossses the Republic border.
A good cloning is obviously what he needs to stop him forcing his ill-guided ad brainwashed religion down people's throats.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Casiella Truza
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:35:00 -
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The latest news on his little "revival tour" probably means that the militia will get their hands on him before he can take Grak up on his offer.
You know, if people spent more time just taking care of themselves and each other rather than explaining why an invisible old man in the sky treats some people as "special-er", we'd accomplish a lot of the same purported goals without all the, you know, death.
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Casiella Truza
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:52:00 -
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Also, berating Davlos for making inconsistent, incoherent remarks is like yelling at a toddler for crying.
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Shern
Minmatar
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.10 18:13:00 -
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I *really* hope that the tribal militia and sympathisers do not open fire on unarmed pilgrimage ships. It all does look..rather rocky. I guess everything is in the hands of God. |
Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.02.10 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Personally, I hope someone blasts this blithering preaching idiot out of the sky the second he crossses the Republic border.
A good cloning is obviously what he needs to stop him forcing his ill-guided ad brainwashed religion down people's throats.
He probably doesn't have a clone, you bastard. He's a planet dweller and ex-slave, not a capsuleer. Even though House Sarum might certianly have the means to provide him with one there's that little thing called the sacred flesh doctrine (a touchy subject to broach with House Sarum right now as it is).
Mr. Yarn I laud your intentions but I'm afraid one moderate capsuleer against thousands or millions of angry Minmatar may be a futile effort. If you need an example of what such anger does in recent history, I'll simply point to the execution of Etuer.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.10 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
He probably doesn't have a clone, you bastard. He's a planet dweller and ex-slave, not a capsuleer.
Then the world will be a better place.
I have nothing against religion, but people should be free to go about their daily lives without having some idiot flying around invading their airwaves with his preaching.
Religion, particularly the Amarr faith draws the majority of it's opposing hostility from the fact that most of it's preachings belittle and insult those who do not feel the need to indulge in it. In the same breath the vast majority of preachings are nothing more than overzealous dribble about enlightening people, and a poorly veiled justification for slavery being the path to enlightenment.
So yeah... freeze drying this idiot where he stands is probably the best course of action before he drags more non-amarrian people into a life of hell under the boot of the Amarr.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Vieve Tisserand
Gallente
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
So yeah... freeze drying this idiot where he stands is probably the best course of action before he drags more non-amarrian people into a life of hell under the boot of the Amarr.
Hmm. I am far from being a master strategist, but I can think of eight words that inspire me to disagree with you on this subject.
First Recognized Matari Martyr to the Amarrian Faith.
I suspect, were he decreed one for 'standing brave in his devotion to God e'en in the teeth of lions' (or however it'd be eloquently phrased), he would be the first. I am certain there are theologians out there who are more than capable of correcting me on the subject, and I suppose they might even take delight in same.
I believe people with religious predispositions tend to pay more attention to martyrs than they do wild-eyed street preachers trying to drown out their appreciation of Quafe commercials. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:44:00 -
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The man wishes to travel trusting solely in the Almighty, sobeit. Should the tribals harm him, it will serve to do nothing but strengthen our resolve.
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.02.11 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vieve Tisserand
Hmm. I am far from being a master strategist, but I can think of eight words that inspire me to disagree with you on this subject.
First Recognized Matari Martyr to the Amarrian Faith.
This, really, though I've said as much before. That it has the backing of House Sarum is also a strong suggestion that there is serious political manipulation behind this.
But also, he has comitted no crime to warrant his being put to death; the "flaw" of being indoctrinated in and taken up ferverently the Ammarian faith is not automaticly disgracefull, nor irreversable. There are liberal Gallente practitioners of it operating happily within the confines of Federation law; any capsuleer has heard at least one of them as the voice behind the Aura AI persona. But for any of that to sink In I suppose Verone would have to aquire a sense of respect for human lives first (althogh as combat pilots we are all culpable in some way). Damn pirates.
Oh Vieve, I... *blinks, noticing something apparently for the first time. Then she frowns and ends the feed abrubtly.*
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Vincent Death
Caldari
K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:16:00 -
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It seems that freedom in the Minmatar Republic is a very subjective term. You are free to think and say what you are told to think and say. Divergence leads to execution.
Your enlightenment must surely shame your Ammarian neighbours.
The proper name for a social system based on political freedom is capitalism. |
Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar
Cwn Annwn Clan
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:30:00 -
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Umm, you all seem to forget, this...'millions of angry Matar"...you speak of, doesn't exist. In every conversation I have seen on the subject, it is Ammatar, Ammarrians, and Caldari, suggesting we will kill him, and then berating us for it. Or an Ammarrian, Caldari, and even Gallente suggesting we should kill him.
The Minmatar I have seen in these discussions have defended his right to speak, though it was never in question, and invited him to their homes. With the exception of one individual that spoke his mind. As he is free to.
Well, there was that one Minmatar Militia member who threatened violence, but, funnily enough, he's Ammarrian.
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Casiella Truza
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:32:00 -
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Well, I'm Minmatar, and fairly confident he won't make it.
But that's just a guess, really. Those militia folks can get bloodthirsty, mhmm. |
Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Death
It seems that freedom in the Minmatar Republic is a very subjective term. You are free to think and say what you are told to think and say. Divergence leads to execution.
Your enlightenment must surely shame your Ammarian neighbours.
Vincent Death, are you a Caldari citizen in good standing? I haven't time to run a new profile search just now.
The Caldari equivilant for the situation would be for a person of Caldari ancestry living on Caldari Prime for most of their life in the years after the first war to return to Caldari space and extol the virtues of the Federation. I do not think that would go over very well in the current political climate either. |
Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Umm, you all seem to forget, this...'millions of angry Matar"...you speak of, doesn't exist. In every conversation I have seen on the subject, it is Ammatar, Ammarrians, and Caldari, suggesting we will kill him, and then berating us for it. Or an Ammarrian, Caldari, and even Gallente suggesting we should kill him.
The Minmatar I have seen in these discussions have defended his right to speak, though it was never in question, and invited him to their homes. With the exception of one individual that spoke his mind. As he is free to.
Well, there was that one Minmatar Militia member who threatened violence, but, funnily enough, he's Ammarrian.
Ms. Starsparrow, if only the average citizen of Pator - many survivors of the rebellion, many emancipated people who were slaves under the Ammarian doctrine that the man comes to preach - would all assured to be just as level headed as yourself and other Minmatar capsuleers.
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Vincent Pryce
Gallente
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
The man wishes to travel trusting solely in the Almighty, sobeit. Should the tribals harm him, it will serve to do nothing but strengthen our resolve.
*Vincent opens the feed and grins as he takes off his black leather gloves and sets the down on the table*
How predectible of you nefantari, to expect the attacker to be a minmatar proper. It would be sheer idiocity and a political suicide for the matari to slay this man. My personal views however are akin to mr. Verone's about this man. Still, there are many who would find it advantageous to have him to ...divert his course, not the least being your masters, the Amarr. Pray to the Angels that he shall resume his course without too much interference.
*He smirks and cuts the feed*
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.11 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vieve Tisserand
Hmm. I am far from being a master strategist, but I can think of eight words that inspire me to disagree with you on this subject.
First Recognized Matari Martyr to the Amarrian Faith.
I suspect, were he decreed one for 'standing brave in his devotion to God e'en in the teeth of lions' (or however it'd be eloquently phrased), he would be the first. I am certain there are theologians out there who are more than capable of correcting me on the subject, and I suppose they might even take delight in same.
Oh, you misunderstand me Vieve... I'm not talking about the Minmatar people, or Republic loyalists freeze drying him at all. There are many others that would take pleasure and enjoyment from it purely for his status as a blood traitor.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 11/02/2009 04:20:40
The offer of protection for these brave souls testifying the glory of the Divine to the Matari is noted with approval.
Deus Vult!
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Vieve Tisserand
Gallente
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.11 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Oh, you misunderstand me Vieve... I'm not talking about the Minmatar people, or Republic loyalists freeze drying him at all. There are many others that would take pleasure and enjoyment from it purely for his status as a blood traitor.
I apologize for having misunderstood you. I do quite agree with the notion that others might enjoy killing the man.
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Vincent Death
Caldari
K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.02.11 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
The Caldari equivilant for the situation would be for a person of Caldari ancestry living on Caldari Prime for most of their life in the years after the first war to return to Caldari space and extol the virtues of the Federation. I do not think that would go over very well in the current political climate either.
I am under no illusions as to the attitudes of the Caldari people. That the Caldari people are equally bloodthirsty and ignorant is not really a defence I can accept.
The proper name for a social system based on political freedom is capitalism. |
Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar
Cwn Annwn Clan
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Posted - 2009.02.11 12:08:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Vieve Tisserand
Originally by: Verone
Oh, you misunderstand me Vieve... I'm not talking about the Minmatar people, or Republic loyalists freeze drying him at all. There are many others that would take pleasure and enjoyment from it purely for his status as a blood traitor.
I apologize for having misunderstood you. I do quite agree with the notion that others might enjoy killing the man.
Yes, not only that but, this is a much more likely scenario than any of conjectures on what the Matari people or the Republic will do.
Mr Yarn, your motives are unknown to me, but I do hope your security forces are a little more observant than you are. Pilot Daevonar is one of the finest pilots I have ever flown with, and SHE is indeed brave.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 14:09:00 -
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An interesting offer Yarn, considering that only a couple of weeks ago you requested that PIE provide some of your own vessels with an escort.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.02.11 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dex Nederland on 11/02/2009 14:46:13
Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
The Caldari equivilant for the situation would be for a person of Caldari ancestry living on Caldari Prime for most of their life in the years after the first war to return to Caldari space and extol the virtues of the Federation. I do not think that would go over very well in the current political climate either.
We have those and they are much safer than you might think.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.02.11 14:48:00 -
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If I can help it I am certainly going to do everything within my ability to show Mr. Jarek that his God is not going to grant him safe passage.
CEO | Diary of a pod pilot |
Casiella Truza
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.02.11 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
If I can help it I am certainly going to do everything within my ability to show Mr. Jarek that his God is not going to grant him safe passage.
Be careful, he could summon some mythical creature out of the ether to protect him as he rides through space on his Terran unicorn.
What? That's just as "real" as this invisible guy in the sky who somehow prefers one arbitary group of people over another.
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Grak Yarn
Minmatar
Vherokior Forward Progession Group
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Posted - 2009.02.11 17:19:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
If I can help it I am certainly going to do everything within my ability to show Mr. Jarek that his God is not going to grant him safe passage.
And what of the thousands with him? Or are they nothing more then numbers to you? Each one potentially has a family, a mother, a father, brothers and sons and sisters and daughters. Would you ruin all those lives for some silly point?
Prove me wrong.
And I have to give my most sincere apologies. To be frank t he IGS refuses to show a picture of the captain in question, so I just sort of took a stab in the dark. I missed, apparently. I beg pardon.
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No expansion without equilibrium, no conquest without control. Pursue success in serenity, and service to the people. |
Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:15:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Casiella Truza
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
If I can help it I am certainly going to do everything within my ability to show Mr. Jarek that his God is not going to grant him safe passage.
Be careful, he could summon some mythical creature out of the ether to protect him as he rides through space on his Terran unicorn.
What? That's just as "real" as this invisible guy in the sky who somehow prefers one arbitary group of people over another.
I'd convert to the Amarrian faith if I saw a mythical creature come out of the ether to protect him.
Mr. Yarn, those naive enough to believe that the Amarrian God is going to grant them safe passage might as well throw themselves into a fire and hope it won't consume them. Or better, heed this clear warning.
CEO | Diary of a pod pilot |
Shern
Minmatar
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:18:00 -
[41]
God helps those who help themselves. I hope someone will be there to fill your pirate ship full of holes, Myrhial.
I know as a pirate and Angel you don't care for human life or for human hopes. |
Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.02.12 07:59:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Shern
I know as a pirate and Angel you don't care for human life or for human hopes.
Not entirely correct. While opportunity is the primary motive here I am making a statement that I do not believe in the delusions of a religion that at present has become a tool to rule people with.
Oh and I do hope a whole escort fleet will be there, because that quite practically proves that not the Amarrian God but other capsuleers are what ensured safe passage.
CEO | Diary of a pod pilot |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 09:32:00 -
[43]
I wish Mr. Jarek the very best of luck in avoiding what I see to be an almost inevitable death, and the very worst of luck in finding any willing ears to which he may preach his apologist garbage.
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Duty. |
Stitcher
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.02.12 13:06:00 -
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the journey in space into the Republic is only one third of what Mr. Jarek will have to brave.
He still has a long tour of sermons to give on the ground, and a trip out of the Republic afterwards.
Rather than providing him with room and board, I think the Yarn business would be well-advised to provide the man with a discreet but powerful shield generator.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.12 14:20:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
Oh and I do hope a whole escort fleet will be there, because that quite practically proves that not the Amarrian God but other capsuleers are what ensured safe passage.
It doesn't. I would assume you are familiar with warfare to some degree. If so, you would be aware that a capsuleer 'escort fleet' is not a gold-standard guarrantee of safety even in the best of conditions...thus survival will, under any circumstance that the good preacher should arrive in, depend entirely on the mercy of the Almighty.
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Nausea
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.12 14:39:00 -
[46]
*Nausea smiles and chuckles, appearing somewhat inebriated*
You know, my second is running a book on when the preacher will meet his demise. Most of the other crew believe he'l be killed at, or found dead, shortly after his first sermon. I have a little flutter on him not even making it to the planet. Only one individual appears to be betting he'l survive the whole thing, and right now he stands to make quite a bit of money.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.02.12 15:02:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
Oh and I do hope a whole escort fleet will be there, because that quite practically proves that not the Amarrian God but other capsuleers are what ensured safe passage.
It doesn't. I would assume you are familiar with warfare to some degree. If so, you would be aware that a capsuleer 'escort fleet' is not a gold-standard guarrantee of safety even in the best of conditions...thus survival will, under any circumstance that the good preacher should arrive in, depend entirely on the mercy of the Almighty.
If your God was that almighty the preacher would not need an escort fleet to begin with, right? That's the whole point of my argument.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.12 15:12:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
If your God was that almighty the preacher would not need an escort fleet to begin with, right? That's the whole point of my argument.
You missed the point. I already told you that whether the preacher has an escort fleet or not, he will require the help of the Almighty, and it will be by His mercy that he arrives safely.
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Nausea
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.12 15:19:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
If your God was that almighty the preacher would not need an escort fleet to begin with, right? That's the whole point of my argument.
You missed the point. I already told you that whether the preacher has an escort fleet or not, he will require the help of the Almighty, and it will be by His mercy that he arrives safely.
Actually, I think it will also depend right now on the 'mercy' of certain terrorist / freedomfighter (delete as per your view), organisations as to if his ship reaches it's initial destination safely.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.12 15:23:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Nausea
Actually, I think it will also depend right now on the 'mercy' of certain terrorist / freedomfighter (delete as per your view), organisations as to if his ship reaches it's initial destination safely.
Wrong. If the Almighty wills it, the ideologically negative entities you referred to will have no success in hindering the preacher's progress. All success or failure is by the mercy granted by the Almighty.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 15:26:00 -
[51]
Yet curiously, while apparently the matter of the safety and prosperity of a group of deluded clerics is entirely down to God's will - no matter how it turns out - it is never assumed by any Amarrian or Ammatar that it might be "God's will" that the Minmatar Republic remain a free, self-governing political entity.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.12 15:29:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Yet curiously, while apparently the matter of the safety and prosperity of a group of deluded clerics is entirely down to God's will - no matter how it turns out - it is never assumed by any Amarrian or Ammatar that it might be "God's will" that the Minmatar Republic remain a free, self-governing political entity.
It is never assumed that you'll ever explain why you switched sides.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 15:41:00 -
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Two things:
a. Quit trying to divert the topic of the conversation. If you have no answer to my assertion that invocations of "God's will" by your ilk are notably inconsistant, simply say so.
b. I haven't "switched sides". I've switched corporations - and the arrangement may or may not be temporary. Duty. is a mercenary corporation that by their own admission professes no specific loyalty to any empire and, indeed, contains other Federation loyalists (Sahaquiel Faust and BloodBird being two examples). Asserting that I've abandoned the cause of the Federation simply because I'm not currently in Mixed Metaphor is as vaccuous as attempting to invoke the mercy of a nonextant being to protect a large number of ex-slaves suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
Are those answers simple enough for you, or should I rephrase them monosyllabically?
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Andreus Ixiris
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Stitcher
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.02.12 15:45:00 -
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Laebetrovo, Andreus most definitely has not "switched side". Allow to repeat and confirm the following:
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Duty. is a mercenary corporation that by their own admission professes no specific loyalty to any empire
This was my main reason for leaving them, incidentally. I joined Duty. when it was a State loyalist corporation, and left when it wasn't - before Andreus signed on with them.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.02.12 15:50:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
If your God was that almighty the preacher would not need an escort fleet to begin with, right? That's the whole point of my argument.
You missed the point. I already told you that whether the preacher has an escort fleet or not, he will require the help of the Almighty, and it will be by His mercy that he arrives safely.
I suppose if he doesn't you're going to account it to your God as well? Instead of admitting it was a fool's errand to begin with?
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.12 16:04:00 -
[56]
*chuckles a phlegm-laden chuckle*
Ahh...good, we've got something more substantial to play with now. Let's now deal with your poor excuses for intellectual pomposity in turn.
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
a. Quit trying to divert the topic of the conversation. If you have no answer to my assertion that invocations of "God's will" by your ilk are notably inconsistant, simply say so.
First of all, dear hypocrite: tu quoque. You diverted this conversation first, by bringing up the fallacy of the tribal entity. I cite this irrelevance you blurted out:
"Yet curiously, while apparently the matter of the safety and prosperity of a group of deluded clerics is entirely down to God's will - no matter how it turns out - it is never assumed by any Amarrian or Ammatar that it might be "God's will" that the Minmatar Republic remain a free, self-governing political entity."
This was a tangential statement, and thus unless the you'd see the label of 'hypocrite' attune to your distorted self-image, such statements have no place in otherwise civilised discourse.
There is a clear, robust answer to your populist 'assertion'. The problem you have in gaining correct understanding is rooted in the fact that you are misusing the word 'will', in that you are tailoring it to suit your preferred interpretation. The appropriate meaning of the word in the context that I used it was "...the act or process of using or asserting one's choice; volition." Hence, I never made any statement indicating prescience of what the 'intention' of the Almighty is. Instead, I pointed out that the outcome of the preacher's journey was entirely dependent on whether He would draw on His unlimited power; to intervene or not.
Your aforementioned tangential statement underscores your misunderstanding. If He decided to, anything is possible. The Almighty has given us countless opportunities to permit us to demonstrate our faith. By His Word we recognise what is good, by His Word we will demonstrate that we wish to accomplish what is good. The existence of universal calamities such as the tribals helps such beings with limited perception (humans) to begin to try to appreciate, in real terms, the world that exists in absence of following His guidance.
Therefore, we conclude there is not a shred of inconsistency in what we have said. You may be advised to avoid focussing on the imagined faults of others in your vain attempts to hide your own which are all too manifest...
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
b. I haven't "switched sides". I've switched corporations - and the arrangement may or may not be temporary. Duty. is a mercenary corporation that by their own admission professes no specific loyalty to any empire and, indeed, contains other Federation loyalists (Sahaquiel Faust and BloodBird being two examples). Asserting that I've abandoned the cause of the Federation simply because I'm not currently in Mixed Metaphor is as vaccuous as attempting to invoke the mercy of a nonextant being to protect a large number of ex-slaves suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
Do let us know when you're ready to explain why you left, it will allow us to appreciate how solidly you stand with your 'stated' alignment.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 16:11:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
You may be advised to avoid focussing on the imagined faults of others in your vain attempts to hide your own which are all too manifest...
The most hilarious thing is that you say this with complete sincerity, not even considering the possibility that it could be construed as hypocritical or ironic.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.12 16:26:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 12/02/2009 16:27:52
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
The most hilarious thing is that you say this with complete sincerity, not even considering the possibility that it could be construed as hypocritical or ironic.
It is implicit that you are somewhat dissatified with my explanation, Ixiris. That said, you have not made any attempt to refute the integrity of my arguments and thus the impartial reader can see that the evidence in clearly in my favour. However, this does make one wonder what standard one should judge you against when the time comes for you, Ixiris, to explain how abandoning a Federation-affiliated corporation in favour of an Empire-unaffiliated corporation is not consistent with abandoning your 'cause', which one presumes is in the best interests of the Federation. Now that I think of it, the Federation is better off without you.
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Adeudatus Ardishapur
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Posted - 2009.02.12 17:54:00 -
[59]
Has anyone seen the preacher since he left high security space? I traveled to Kamela last night looking for him but he appeared to have moved on, due to terrorist activity in the area I was not able to follow his trail deeper into the Bleak Lands. Any update would be appreciated.
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Shern
Minmatar
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.12 18:48:00 -
[60]
Scagga is always very sincere, Andreus....long-winded, but very sincere.
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Gerard Chercheur
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Posted - 2009.02.13 17:37:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Gerard Chercheur on 13/02/2009 17:37:21
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Grak Yarn
Minmatar
Vherokior Forward Progession Group
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Posted - 2009.02.13 17:38:00 -
[62]
Bringing the topic back onto point...
It seems we weren't the only ones concerned with his safety, as he was just rescued by a group of Mercenaries. Good for them.
The offer of the YSS (Which is a ground based private military contractor, to put it bluntly) is still open to him, for use as bodyguard units, and clan offerings are still open. We would be happy to host a guest like mister Jarek.
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Casiella Truza
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.02.14 16:55:00 -
[63]
That's a lot to put on the line for a silly preacher, Grak.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 17:30:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
abandoning a Federation-affiliated corporation in favour of an Empire-unaffiliated corporation
And that, Scagga, is why you'll never get a straight answer from me - because your premise is completely faulty and because whatever I choose to tell you, you will either wilfully misinterpret or flatly ignore, as has been demonstrated countless times is seemingly not even second but first nature to you, as natural as breathing. It was a stretch implying that Duty are State-aligned, whereas implying that they are in any way Empire-aligned is sheer fantasy. In fact, implying that Duty are anything other than Duty-aligned is falacious, as any right-thinking man will tell you - but I don't suppose, short of this conversation, you talk to many of them, do you?
Given that you will consider any other explanation to be just as valid as this one, I joined Duty because the dread Iaxtolotl from the Second Netherworld of Q'zuh were invading Fr'zhngdngdngdngdng'dng the Three-Hundred-And-Sixty-Fifth-Decimal-Four-Three's nation of Dr'znghz. Duty could not handle this threat alone, and I was drafted in due to my knowledge of the terrain. The lives of three hundred and sixty quadrillion Dr'znghzians is at stake - you should learn to be more respectful of their plight.
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Andreus Ixiris
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Orun Erajen
Gallente
The Cult of Aenebra
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Posted - 2009.02.15 17:01:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
the dread Iaxtolotl from the Second Netherworld of Q'zuh were invading Fr'zhngdngdngdngdng'dng the Three-Hundred-And-Sixty-Fifth-Decimal-Four-Three's nation of Dr'znghz. Duty could not handle this threat alone, and I was drafted in due to my knowledge of the terrain. The lives of three hundred and sixty quadrillion Dr'znghzians is at stake - you should learn to be more respectful of their plight.
This is at least 25% more believable than the average statement made by Ixiris. I guarantee it.
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Orun Erajen
Now I Am Free |
Grak Yarn
Minmatar
Vherokior Forward Progession Group
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Posted - 2009.02.17 16:05:00 -
[66]
It seems the preacher has made it safely to Pator and is now on planet in the refugee camps, spreading his faith. He talks of building a Amarrian Chapel or Cathedral.
I wish him luck on it, and the offers still stay open.
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Aldrith Shutaq
Amarr
Ordo Nigrorum Susurri
Ordo Magna
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:47:00 -
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I must say Grak, I do admire your ability to be level-headed and gracious about this matter. As I said to you in Quaesitor last week, most people from our respective sides of the galaxy would be horrified and angered at the idea we all could get along no matter our views on politics or religion, as some have so wonderfully demonstrated in this topic.
Let us hope that this type of missionary work will be the kind that will be the main focus of our Empress' new, still undefined "Reclaiming". I'd much prefer the building of chapels on Pator to the creation of craters by Amarrian warships.
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