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Meligo
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Posted - 2009.02.09 08:21:00 -
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I've been running exploration in 0.0 for a while now and been having a pretty easy time of it. The thing is that I'm not sure what to expect from the explored complexes as I've been focusing on Radar and Magnetometric. My question is, if you assume that I've nearly maxed my skills with battleships, what would be required, minimum, to run the different complexes.
For example, I've just come across a 8/10. It looks like the first room wouldn't be a problem for my Apoc at all, I'm just curious as to how the rest of the plex is liable to play out, is one ship enough? At what point, like 7/10 or 8/10, does it just become a requirement to have a group of people to run it to completion for the gear?
Thanks for the help, I just haven't run plexes since the change from fixed position complexes.
The best answer would be something like the following list with then your recommendation based your experience;
1/10 :
2/10 :
3/10 :
4/10 :
5/10 :
6/10 :
7/10 :
8/10 :
9/10 :
10/10 :
I understand that there are a variety of different complexes, I'm really just looking for something very general.
Thanks in advance.
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Cartheron Crust
14th Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:38:00 -
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An assault frigate can handle 1-4/10's easily. I actually did a 5/10 drone one the other day in an AF which surprised me, some of the BS's took a while but had no problems tanking it. It would have been a hell of a lot quicker in a HAC I assume. Done a three room 6/10 quite easily and (most importantly) quickly in a group of HAC, BC and AF. Can't comment on any others.
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:40:00 -
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The problem with numbered plexes up to 8/10 is not tanking them, it's killing the overseers. They tend to have one or more of the following 1) Just a ****load of HP 2) High resists(like 90% all-around) 3) High repair/shieldboost |
Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Empire Mining and Trade
eXponential maXimum
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:22:00 -
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As with anything in exploration, go find out. Its exploration. Dont be scared.
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methodmo
Free Lapland
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.02.10 02:37:00 -
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u can solo every plex currently in game it will just take a bit of time and tactics
for some plexes u just need a bit xtra dps to break overseers tanks so u need a friend or alt with u to add that xtra dps
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eXtas
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2009.02.10 13:17:00 -
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 Originally by: methodmo
u can solo every plex currently in game it will just take a bit of time and tactics
for some plexes u just need a bit xtra dps to break overseers tanks so u need a friend or alt with u to add that xtra dps
this
BS's arent the optimal ship for soloing mostly because of big sig radius but you should be able to do 6/10-7/10 in a t2 fit bs, 8/10 should still be possible but with a lot more knowhow. 9/10-10/10 have usually a lot of neut towers, webb towers, citadel torps, other capital sized weapons.
you can setup a drake, nh, ishtar.. to solo most plexes but many of the overseers have tanks you cant break alone.
blood 6/10 got a tanking overseer
exploration angel 7/10 got a hightanking overseer that allso puts out pain :P
but then theres the ones that dont tank at all like the exploration 6/10 plexes that just have a fun smartbomb doing like 20k ehp damage.
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glassmanipulator
Lucian Alliance
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.10 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: methodmo
u can solo every plex currently in game it will just take a bit of time and tactics
I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one. Maybe all starting plexes, but some expedition plexes are not soloable in the least.
And another problem with numbered plexes, is that not every number plex exists for every race. There is no Serpentis 8/10 or 7/10, etc. There are a lot of missing rated plexes for each race. Pretty lame if you ask me.
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methodmo
Free Lapland
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.02.11 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: glassmanipulator
Originally by: methodmo
u can solo every plex currently in game it will just take a bit of time and tactics
I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one. Maybe all starting plexes, but some expedition plexes are not soloable in the least.
u can disagree with me all u want,i know it can be done cause i have played all the plexes in eve SOLO!!! maybe 10% of em i had a friend with me for xtra dps cause u cant break the overseers tank alone!!!
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Foulque
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Posted - 2009.02.11 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: methodmo
u can disagree with me all u want,i know it can be done cause i have played all the plexes in eve SOLO!!!
So you solo'd the Blood Temple final escelation? Somehow I doubt it, though I've seen straner things.
@ OP plexes vary hugely and whether you can solo them will come down a lot to what ships you can fly. Some ships are just excellent at them like the Nighthawk/Ishtar with the ability to ignore Neut towers. If you're forced to active tank pretty much any plex with Neut towers is off your list.
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Paranous
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Posted - 2009.02.11 08:48:00 -
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I would not say any plex is off the list I just finished a Dread Guristas plex earliyer which seculated, but I haven't the time as work comes soon. I used this alt in a Manticore to pop Neut batterys, and my Mains Astarte to tank running dual mars, it took a couple warp in and outs because of the neuts to get rid of them, but after that it was a cake walk. Oh and yeah Stealth bombers are insanely nice to have as support in complex. Cruise insta pop Frigate class ships, and Cruiser go pop in a single volly or two. :)
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glassmanipulator
Lucian Alliance
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.11 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: methodmo
Originally by: glassmanipulator
Originally by: methodmo
u can solo every plex currently in game it will just take a bit of time and tactics
I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one. Maybe all starting plexes, but some expedition plexes are not soloable in the least.
u can disagree with me all u want,i know it can be done cause i have played all the plexes in eve SOLO!!! maybe 10% of em i had a friend with me for xtra dps cause u cant break the overseers tank alone!!!
rofl... I'd love to watch this kid warp into the final provincial HQ expedition, any race. Sarpati from the serp one, does 1800 dps. Not to mention his elite guard of 10 little frigs that do around another 1000dps and web you to 2 m/s. I have horror stories from this plex.. Sorry kid you haven't done em all. |
Fritz Ionar
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.11 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: methodmo
u can disagree with me all u want,i know it can be done cause i have played all the plexes in eve SOLO!!! maybe 10% of em i had a friend with me for xtra dps cause u cant break the overseers tank alone!!!
I'm a bit slow, so perhaps you can help me out here... Does "all" mean 90% or does "SOLO" mean two people? You see I was under the impresion that "all" meant 100% and "SOLO" menat alone... silly me. |
methodmo
Free Lapland
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.02.11 11:13:00 -
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yes all 100% solo
in the 10% i am referring to only the overseer was left and i had to bring in a friend to break the overseers tank
every race has a nice ship that can tank any plex of that race
so 1800dps is nothing if your resists r well over 95% u wont even feel it
oh and glassmanipulator it is clear that u r a noob at this dont come barge in here acting like u know everything cause u obviously dont otherwise u would know how to tank a simple end stage like the provicial hq and u may adress me as sir since u r the kid in here
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Veto Nalloc
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Posted - 2009.02.11 11:30:00 -
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I had a terrible time doing a 10/10 escalation in 0.0 cant remember the name of it tho, some sort of ultima station at the end of it, it was sanshas tho, freakin hard, mega mega volley damage and the torps did stupid damage too, me and my corp mates and a raven for tank originally with a basilisk, it went sort of pear shaped so we took a uber tanked drake in, still didnt work out too well cos of the torps, it basically stripped the shields in 1 hit, the only way ive heard of that being done is with a HUGE buffer tank on say like a Scorp with a basilisk and repper drones, and i can safely say, you cannot solo that because the overseers rep far too quickly, even with 2 apocs on gank setups they couldnt take the overseers out. good to know theres even more difficult ones out there tho 
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Korell Nova
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:14:00 -
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guys guys guys defenders are your friends when going up against the cit torps in these 10/10s believe me i have a plex tanked damnation with all resists at around 93 and it still hurts when that torp tanks 7 or 8k off me with one hit use defenders and it doesnt even get to me.
on a different note i would love to see some of these ppl that say they can solo these 10/10 go into the blood ones cos u warp in in 1 cycle you have no cap at all you are then webbed to 2m/s and then the torp and all the npcs hit you with alot of dps.
on that note please tell me when you are cos you will be wanting an officer fitted ship to even attempt it and i wouldnt mind coming in with some mates afterwards to pick up the plex and your wreck.
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eXtas
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2009.02.12 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: glassmanipulator
Originally by: methodmo
Originally by: glassmanipulator
Originally by: methodmo
u can solo every plex currently in game it will just take a bit of time and tactics
I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one. Maybe all starting plexes, but some expedition plexes are not soloable in the least.
u can disagree with me all u want,i know it can be done cause i have played all the plexes in eve SOLO!!! maybe 10% of em i had a friend with me for xtra dps cause u cant break the overseers tank alone!!!
rofl... I'd love to watch this kid warp into the final provincial HQ expedition, any race. Sarpati from the serp one, does 1800 dps. Not to mention his elite guard of 10 little frigs that do around another 1000dps and web you to 2 m/s. I have horror stories from this plex.. Sorry kid you haven't done em all.
I have to agree that they are hard but not impossible to solo somehow :P npc's have so stupid AI.
I tanked that plex with ishtar + oneiros without bigger problem while some corpmates tryed some days later with 2 carriers and allmost lost them :P
that escaltation isnt deadspace so you can just warp in at range and snipe it all if you want. max range npc's move from spawn point is about 150km if I remember right... then they just turn around and slowboat back lol
the deadspace plexes are harder since you cant change warpin and in worst case you land on some webbing frigs, webbing towers and neut towers, get shot by citadel torps and other capital guns :P like the maze (gurista 10/10)
using smartbombs kills all frigs and atleast before it killed citadels and all missiles so you could cut down dps to allmost nothing but that might have changed now?
defenders allso kills citadels?
now you are left with the other capital sized weapons, siege blasters, rails... they might instapop a smaller ship like unplated hac if unlucky :I they allso have a ton of hp...
oh and not to forget the neut towers in highend plexes.. only way to counter those is passive shield tank, cap boosted active tank or a passive tank + logistic. dunno if you can outrange them.
you dont need officer fits to beat these plexes... just outsmart the stupid npc's.. usually range, cloaking and other stuff is the way to do it.
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methodmo
Free Lapland
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.02.12 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: eXtas
you dont need officer fits to beat these plexes... just outsmart the stupid npc's.. usually range, cloaking and other stuff is the way to do it.
thats what i mean with tactics and yes u can outrange neut and web towers etc using the above tactics
the citadel torp is no problem to tank at all..what u need is the ship with the specific resist the torp does..
for instance in a serp plex u will get a kinetic citadel torp the rats in there deal that to..so easy to tank
the guri version an em torp the rats in there deal kin/therm/em so use those 3 resists
so now that everyone knows u know what ship to bring(no not a bs sized vessel thats suicide)use a middleclass vessel... its a walk in the park from there on as long as u use the above hints a bit u will figure it out
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