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Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:42:00 - [1] Here is the universal method to succesfully deal with ANY salvage thief. It has been proved to work correctly, and i't easy, even my dog did pass the test. But before i reveal it to you, let me tell you a story: There was once a little player, with little isk, and a family of 3 gallente little pest kids. This poor Father had to get to work every day to the quafe distillery to take home those little isks he could get to buy frogs for his family to eat. after the 4827th day in the quafe factory, he dropped down a bottle and it crashed down, corroding the pavement. he was fired. He went back home. after 3 days, he killed his family, and eated them. 9 days after, he died, straving, having no frog to eat. Moral: Don't be a Gallente. and now, here is how you deal with Salvaging Thiefs: ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:44:00 - [2] Sorry, pushed the Post Reply too early. old abits die hard. anyway: don't shoot em, don't do anything, just let em steal your stuff and you'll be fine (and so will your sheep). If you really feel like taking a corpmate along to salvage stuff on-the-go, feel free to do it. just...don't...shoot...wrecks... ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:45:00 - [3] Why would you not shoot the wrecks?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:46:00 - [4] No, the correct way is: "hey, guys, wanna' stop wasting probes, collect the salvage for me and split the proceeds 50-50?" _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar pSyChOTIC CareBears BrightSpark Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:47:00 - [5] For some reason i expected this to be about US football
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Gunnanmon Why would you not shoot the wrecks? Because i'm Gallente. shooting your own wreck will only remove income from you, since you won't be able to retrieve the loot/salvage and only waste ammo (unless you're amarr, because if you are...well, ** you). The salvage thief won't lose any income, they can just probe another mission while you're shooting your wrecks. ----------------------------------------- Originally by:** Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Akita T No, the correct way is: "hey, guys, wanna' stop wasting probes, collect the salvage for me and split the proceeds 50-50?" More like: "hey, guys, what's up with your new probes? are they usefull by any means?" ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Tamsin Rhylis	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:49:00 - [8] Web em' and ransom them... firstly for their safety, then negotiate a ransom for the salvage. =)
Artimis Scout Caldari Wormhole Cartography	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Tamsin Rhylis Web em' and ransom them... firstly for their safety, then negotiate a ransom for the salvage. =) Okay first get something straight. SALVAGING: This does not cause aggro. Go ahead and web me. Condord will be more than happy to blow you up, then I get to salvage AND loot your wreck LOOTING: Means I take stuff from your wreck. This will give you the ability to shoot me. So please remember Ninja Looting and Ninja Salvaging are two different things.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Artimis Scout Originally by: Tamsin Rhylis Web em' and ransom them... firstly for their safety, then negotiate a ransom for the salvage. =) Okay first get something straight. SALVAGING: This does not cause aggro. Go ahead and web me. Condord will be more than happy to blow you up, then I get to salvage AND loot your wreck LOOTING: Means I take stuff from your wreck. This will give you the ability to shoot me. So please remember Ninja Looting and Ninja Salvaging are two different things. BAITING falls in both categories ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Zel Nughat Amarr Nughat Corp	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:56:00 - [11] some of them just dont get enough with the loot and salvage, they want the mission completion item too how do you fight that? you don't imo missions to deadspace areas should include a key to activate the first gate and the gate should remain active for maybe 10 or 20 secs max to let gang members enter the mission with the runner, or any one else fast enough, at least those missions that require completion items if you want to be a profesional ninja salvager you should go where is more profitable, that is, nullsec belts ------------------------------------------- The moon is a terrible mistress... ...who walks the night with demons of dread.
Mikal Drey Minmatar Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:56:00 - [12] hey hey Ive only been salvage thefted twice fortunatly. my method was to goad him in local and make him feel like a **. i love to give him as much encouragement as possible and i try to point out which wrecks are the best ones to salvage. after they realise i dont feel threatened or even remotly griefed they usually ** off.
Tamsin Rhylis	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Artimis Scout Originally by: Tamsin Rhylis Web em' and ransom them... firstly for their safety, then negotiate a ransom for the salvage. =) Okay first get something straight. SALVAGING: This does not cause aggro. Go ahead and web me. Condord will be more than happy to blow you up, then I get to salvage AND loot your wreck LOOTING: Means I take stuff from your wreck. This will give you the ability to shoot me. So please remember Ninja Looting and Ninja Salvaging are two different things. I didn't mean empire salvaging, there's next to nothing worthwhile to salvage there. CONCORD won't do anything in low-sec.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.11 17:05:00 - [14] Originally by: Zel Nughat some of them just dont get enough with the loot and salvage, they want the mission completion item too how do you fight that? you don't imo missions to deadspace areas should include a key to activate the first gate and the gate should remain active for maybe 10 or 20 secs max to let gang members enter the mission with the runner, or any one else fast enough, at least those missions that require completion items if you want to be a profesional ninja salvager you should go where is more profitable, that is, nullsec belts would you like a completely safe heaven in EVE? ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Willy Pete Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.11 17:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Mikal Drey hey hey Ive only been salvage thefted twice fortunatly. my method was to goad him in local and make him feel like a **. i love to give him as much encouragement as possible and i try to point out which wrecks are the best ones to salvage. after they realise i dont feel threatened or even remotly griefed they usually ** off. Where do you run missions? I could use all the tips I can get.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.11 17:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Mikal Drey hey hey Ive only been salvage thefted twice fortunatly. my method was to goad him in local and make him feel like a **. i love to give him as much encouragement as possible and i try to point out which wrecks are the best ones to salvage. after they realise i dont feel threatened or even remotly griefed they usually off. I'll take that loot, thanks. ----------------------------------------- Originally by:** Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Monikerina	Posted - 2009.02.11 17:14:00 - [17] Originally by: Concorduck Originally by: Gunnanmon Why would you not shoot the wrecks? Because i'm Gallente. shooting your own wreck will only remove income from you, since you won't be able to retrieve the loot/salvage and only waste ammo (unless you're amarr, because if you are...well, ** you). The salvage thief won't lose any income, they can just probe another mission while you're shooting your wrecks. If only there were some way to remove the items before shooting the wreck. ***.
Flinchey Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.11 17:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Concorduck Originally by: Gunnanmon Why would you not shoot the wrecks? Because i'm Gallente. shooting your own wreck will only remove income from you, since you won't be able to retrieve the loot/salvage and only waste ammo (unless you're amarr, because if you are...well, ** you). The salvage thief won't lose any income, they can just probe another mission while you're shooting your wrecks. you do realize that amarrian crystals (faction/T2) take damage right? you know.. the equivalent of ammo? pretty sure losing ~4m of T2 med scorch.... up to a FEW TIMES PER DAY (on a harbinger, 7 guns... i've lost 14 in a day as my record so far) hurts like a *** too...
Zel Nughat Amarr Nughat Corp	Posted - 2009.02.11 17:25:00 - [19] damn scorch it burns like 2 or 3 times faster than any faction crystal ------------------------------------------- The moon is a terrible mistress... ...who walks the night with demons of dread.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.11 17:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Zel Nughat damn scorch it burns like 2 or 3 times faster than any faction crystal On average, 4 times faster : 1000 shots on average for scorch vs precisely 4000 for faction. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Turin Caldari Eternity INC.	Posted - 2009.02.11 17:51:00 - [21] Edited by: Turin on 11/02/2009 17:52:55 Originally by: Artimis Scout So please remember Ninja Looting and Ninja Salvaging are two different things. Unfortunatley so, but i really look forward when and if the day comes that wrecks are treated as salvage, so i can warp in PVP ships to blow the ** out of jerks who think its okay to steal from me. And I dont care what anyone says. In the meantime. I will continue to pop my wrecks when one of you ** ants come barging your way un-invited into my mission, and try stealing from me. I would rather loose the isk, than allow scumbags to proffit from stealing from me. In my mind. If you are in MY mission, and lootting the wracks that >I< created, which I have EVERY intention of salvaging myself, then you are, in my opinion, directly stealing from me. period. Sadly the game mechanics do not agree with me..... yet.
Flinchey Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.11 17:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Zel Nughat damn scorch it burns like 2 or 3 times faster than any faction crystal On average, 4 times faster : 1000 shots on average for scorch vs precisely 4000 for faction. but when you get 4x the optimal range... for nearly the same amount of damage as a multifreq who could complain :P farm lp like nobodies business. and scorch M are only 400k/ea.... amarr multifreq's are 1.3 or 1.4m ... more profit for me and so it all balances out in the end. cost/benefit wise.
Nguyen VanPhuoc Minmatar The Halibuts	Posted - 2009.02.11 18:01:00 - [23] the conversation i had with a salvage thief the other day: /me pewpew and loot /thief salvages empty wrecks /me pewpew and loot Salvager: You want some extra Caldari Navy Antimatter ammo? Me: Cheers :D /me pewpew a little faster and loot /thief salvages empty wrecks it's like the circle of life ___________________ MAXimum CAOD!
Zel Nughat Amarr Nughat Corp	Posted - 2009.02.11 18:01:00 - [24] yep i know its optimal is...optimal, i just hate to pop 8 large ones every now and then, hurts my wallet yanow ------------------------------------------- The moon is a terrible mistress... ...who walks the night with demons of dread.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.02.11 18:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Turin [i really look forward when and if the day comes that wrecks are treated as salvage, so i can warp in PVP ships to blow the **** out of jerks who think its okay to steal from me. Wrecks treated like salvage? You mean you want loot to to free to take as well, just like salvage is? Oh, and you do know that you already can blow people up if they steal from you, right — with your proposed change, that will no longer be possible. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2009.02.11 18:48:00 - [26] Edited by: Trebor Notlimah on 11/02/2009 18:48:48 Originally by: Concorduck Originally by: Gunnanmon Why would you not shoot the wrecks? Because i'm Gallente. shooting your own wreck will only remove income from you, since you won't be able to retrieve the loot/salvage and only waste ammo (unless you're amarr, because if you are...well, **** you). The salvage thief won't lose any income, they can just probe another mission while you're shooting your wrecks. You know you have drones right? /thread
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.11 19:11:00 - [27] If people want to salvage my mission they can just ask in local, i wont be doing it anyway. It just isnt worth it. Only with angel extra it would be a benefit for me to salvage, besides that running the mission just gives me more isk/hour. Especially for guristas and serpentis missions. But even if i just ask in several channels if anyone is intrested in salvaging a lvl 4 angel extra, i usually dont get any response. So i guess not that many intrested in it. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
SadisticSavior Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.11 21:12:00 - [28] Wow, you can salvage wrecks and it doesn't grant attack rights? Coool....I had no idea. I would never do that in someone else's missions of course. But I have seen hisec belts full of wrecks that newbies abandon because they cant salvage them anyway. I'd be happy to sweep up some of those with my alt. ("Fascist" is such an ugly word)
Paul Morphy	Posted - 2009.02.11 21:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Tamsin Rhylis Web em' and ransom them... firstly for their safety, then negotiate a ransom for the salvage. =) How many words can you type in the ransom demand before you get ****ted by concord?
Suneai Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.11 21:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Paul Morphy Originally by: Tamsin Rhylis Web em' and ransom them... firstly for their safety, then negotiate a ransom for the salvage. =) How many words can you type in the ransom demand before you get ****ted by concord? I've already mentioned I do this in low-sec, so I've never had that scenario as of yet.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.11 21:40:00 - [31] I salavage as I go, also flying murader seems to discourage them ============= Pre Order your Sisters of Eve ship today
Doctor Mabuse	Posted - 2009.02.11 23:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Turin stealing from me. Originally by: Turin stealing from me. See? This is where you have it all wrong. We can't steal something that doesn't belong to you. Originally by: Turin In my mind. directly stealing from me. Ah, that's cleared it up, its all in your mind... ------------------------------------ Who's trip-trapping on my bridge?
Junko Togawa	Posted - 2009.02.12 00:00:00 - [33] Of course, the other way to fight against them is DON'T RUN IN CROWDED HUBS. Go for a slightly lower-quality agent. Or a less-common corp.
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.02.12 01:07:00 - [34] Waste of a thread.
Bimjo Caldari Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.12 01:13:00 - [35] Originally by: Willy Pete Originally by: Mikal Drey hey hey Ive only been salvage thefted twice fortunatly. my method was to goad him in local and make him feel like a **. i love to give him as much encouragement as possible and i try to point out which wrecks are the best ones to salvage. after they realise i dont feel threatened or even remotly griefed they usually ** off. Where do you run missions? I could use all the tips I can get. look on map and set stats to show number of active pilots,the hotspots that are not trade hubs are popular mission systems(most,not all),and ignore those who say busy systems are not worth missioning in,they are because so many are doing missions in it you have little chance of being ninja'd and lag is negligible ====================
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.02.12 01:14:00 - [36] Unless they're taking salvage out of one of your cannisters or something, it's not salvage theft. Someone salvaging wrecks of ships you blew up is not theft any more than spaceships are ponies. CCP has said that salvaging wrecks is legitimate and that you are, in fact, flying spaceships (they didn't say you weren't flying ponies, but unless someone can prove that something can be a spaceship and a pony at the same time, that means we're not flying on space ponies).
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.02.12 01:22:00 - [37] Just finish the mission and do another one. It's not that you are losing anything. The time you'd spend salvaging the mission you 'lost', you will invest in the next one effectively yielding the same ISK/h as if you'd salvage every mission. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Evocationz Amarr Terra Nostra SATRAPY	Posted - 2009.02.12 01:28:00 - [38] the OP is a known can flipper + loot stealer and a forum troll guys a tool
Myxx Deux Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.12 03:34:00 - [39] Originally by: Evocationz the OP is a known can flipper + loot stealer and a forum troll guys a tool You say this as if it where a bad thing?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.12 04:35:00 - [40] Originally by: Concorduck anyway: don't shoot em, don't do anything, just let em steal your stuff and you'll be fine (and so will your sheep). If you really feel like taking a corpmate along to salvage stuff on-the-go, feel free to do it. just...don't...shoot...wrecks... Or... You wait to shoot your wrecks just as the salvage thief gets to them. I always hum the benny hill theme to myself as they scurry from can to can only to have it pop right after they activate the salvager. Good times and tbh I should fraps it sometime when I have a taste for mission running in a hub. Was so effective at discouraging the poor little guys that I had several thieves simply warp away once they saw who was in the mission. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.02.12 05:03:00 - [41] How to fight against salvage stealers: don't leave salvage lying around.
Agent Unknown Caldari Fist of Eargon	Posted - 2009.02.12 05:31:00 - [42] Originally by: Suneai Edited by: Suneai on 11/02/2009 21:59:25 Originally by: Paul Morphy How many words can you type in the ransom demand before you get ***ted by concord? Already mentioned I do this in low-sec, so I've never had that scenario as of yet. Curious to test it in Empire to see how long it takes for CONCORD to actually respond. Faster than you can type "give me your---KABOOM*"... Hm... ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong."

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