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Sammira
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Posted - 2004.08.05 15:12:00 -
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You often see mission runners complaining about trade good rewards. As a dedicated trader/hauler character, I gain nearly all of my income from buy orders and region jumping tryin to find trade goods to buy to sell on for a profit from agent runners. After afew months watching the markets, what I was wondering, was how do agent runners look the the issue of dealing with trade goods?
Do you hoard them and put them up in one go once a month?
Do you trash them?
Do you look around for a price and sell them yourself?
Do you put them on the market as you get them at the same price?
Do you try and undercut the lowest price in station/region by a small amount?
As a trader, I look first at the amount being offered and then at the distance from the highway system. I won't, for example, make a run of 5 jumps for 5000 units which are at slightly lower than NPC, but I would make such a run for 2000 units which are 50% of the NPC price. I usually take ~100 isk/m3 or 50% of base value as a minimum when cold-buying from the market otherwise it's not worth my while.
I'll often see 300 units at 30% of base cost 5 jumps from the highway, but it's not worth it. I could make more buying and running NPC goods toan NPC station for all the profit it's worth. Thing is, I don't know if there is a stack of 5000 units at 32% of base cost under that tiny stack . . . .
Another question, is do agent runners, if they *do* put their trade goods up on the market do they check them to see if they're being undercut?
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Sammira
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Posted - 2004.08.05 15:12:00 -
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You often see mission runners complaining about trade good rewards. As a dedicated trader/hauler character, I gain nearly all of my income from buy orders and region jumping tryin to find trade goods to buy to sell on for a profit from agent runners. After afew months watching the markets, what I was wondering, was how do agent runners look the the issue of dealing with trade goods?
Do you hoard them and put them up in one go once a month?
Do you trash them?
Do you look around for a price and sell them yourself?
Do you put them on the market as you get them at the same price?
Do you try and undercut the lowest price in station/region by a small amount?
As a trader, I look first at the amount being offered and then at the distance from the highway system. I won't, for example, make a run of 5 jumps for 5000 units which are at slightly lower than NPC, but I would make such a run for 2000 units which are 50% of the NPC price. I usually take ~100 isk/m3 or 50% of base value as a minimum when cold-buying from the market otherwise it's not worth my while.
I'll often see 300 units at 30% of base cost 5 jumps from the highway, but it's not worth it. I could make more buying and running NPC goods toan NPC station for all the profit it's worth. Thing is, I don't know if there is a stack of 5000 units at 32% of base cost under that tiny stack . . . .
Another question, is do agent runners, if they *do* put their trade goods up on the market do they check them to see if they're being undercut?
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Drink StarsiÖ + [DS] Haulage
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Sammira
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Posted - 2004.08.05 15:18:00 -
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Heh, forgot about the quick sell option. shouldn't have considering the number of buy orders i have up.
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Sammira
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Posted - 2004.08.05 15:18:00 -
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Heh, forgot about the quick sell option. shouldn't have considering the number of buy orders i have up.
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Posted - 2004.08.05 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sammira on 05/08/2004 20:51:33
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Yeah, i know alot of agent runners sell their own goods. hell, my main does ... well, did.  Personally, after a while I found it more profitable just to do the missions and put the stuff on the market. Depends on the goods and player, I guess. 
There's alot of stuff out there, trade good wise (excluding the ammo/modules which are often best just refined and I'm curious about how other players deal with it and how many other salesman-type traders there are out there.
Oh and it's middle-woman if you don't mind. 
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Sammira
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Posted - 2004.08.05 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sammira on 05/08/2004 20:51:33
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Yeah, i know alot of agent runners sell their own goods. hell, my main does ... well, did. Personally, after a while I found it more profitable just to do the missions and put the stuff on the market. Depends on the goods and player, I guess.
There's alot of stuff out there, trade good wise (excluding the ammo/modules which are often best just refined and I'm curious about how other players deal with it and how many other salesman-type traders there are out there.
Oh and it's middle-woman if you don't mind.
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Sammira
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Posted - 2004.08.06 07:01:00 -
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Yeah, there are alot of these catch-the-unwary region wide buy orders at 0.01 isk/unit. About the widest order I would ever consider doing is constellation. Anything wider and I'd need a corp of my own to gather the stuff up to sell unless I enjoyed leaving stuff gatheirng dust until it made a pile large enough to collect.
As a trader I set-up select buy orders at station or system wide for specific goods I know i have a market for. To be honest, I hadnt thought of setting up a "buy-hub" for most goods as I expected most agent runners who will haul their goods would just haul em to an NPC for a better price.
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Posted - 2004.08.06 07:01:00 -
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Yeah, there are alot of these catch-the-unwary region wide buy orders at 0.01 isk/unit. About the widest order I would ever consider doing is constellation. Anything wider and I'd need a corp of my own to gather the stuff up to sell unless I enjoyed leaving stuff gatheirng dust until it made a pile large enough to collect.
As a trader I set-up select buy orders at station or system wide for specific goods I know i have a market for. To be honest, I hadnt thought of setting up a "buy-hub" for most goods as I expected most agent runners who will haul their goods would just haul em to an NPC for a better price.
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Sammira
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Posted - 2004.08.06 11:24:00 -
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That's what the "min. volume" field in the buy order is for 
You can make buy orders in a way that will give you at least a hauler full of stuff in any particular station.
I tried it for a while and got very little sales using it, so I went back to the 1 unit purchases. Possibly I was too hasty. Yes, I could set up a region wide buy order at 1 million units at 50% cost with a minimum order of say, 3000m3 worth. Thing is, how often would that get filled and would it get utilised? Is worth looking into certainly on a trial basis again.
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Posted - 2004.08.06 11:24:00 -
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That's what the "min. volume" field in the buy order is for
You can make buy orders in a way that will give you at least a hauler full of stuff in any particular station.
I tried it for a while and got very little sales using it, so I went back to the 1 unit purchases. Possibly I was too hasty. Yes, I could set up a region wide buy order at 1 million units at 50% cost with a minimum order of say, 3000m3 worth. Thing is, how often would that get filled and would it get utilised? Is worth looking into certainly on a trial basis again.
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Sammira
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Posted - 2004.08.06 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: PaulLRyan
PS - and when I move agents they usually get trashed
Have you tried putting them on sale yourself at a lowish price (>1 isk < 75% NPC sale)? That way you at least get something for it if someone sees what you have on offer.
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Posted - 2004.08.06 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: PaulLRyan
PS - and when I move agents they usually get trashed
Have you tried putting them on sale yourself at a lowish price (>1 isk < 75% NPC sale)? That way you at least get something for it if someone sees what you have on offer.
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