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Nikolai Bellic	Posted - 2009.02.12 02:26:00 - [1] just wondering whats the best of this ships and what bonuses on each side (+ and -) facts of the ship
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.02.12 02:32:00 - [2] Archon, because it armour tanks, and has a bonus to remote armour reppers. Chimera's not bad, Arch's just better.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.12 02:36:00 - [3] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 12/02/2009 02:36:41 Shield tank over armor imo. So I would go for the chimera. It also got the strongest local tank. It do have teh samllet drone bay and cargo bay :(.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.02.12 02:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 12/02/2009 02:36:41 Shield tank over armor imo. So I would go for the chimera. It also got the strongest local tank. It do have teh samllet drone bay and cargo bay :(. 1) There are less shield tanking ships in fleets than armour tanking, so your RR shield bonus is not as useful as the Archon's 2) Shield tanks are a ***** on cap. Add lag for extra fun and armour > shield
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.12 02:48:00 - [5] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 12/02/2009 02:48:21 Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 12/02/2009 02:36:41 Shield tank over armor imo. So I would go for the chimera. It also got the strongest local tank. It do have teh samllet drone bay and cargo bay :(. 1) There are less shield tanking ships in fleets than armour tanking, so your RR shield bonus is not as useful as the Archon's 2) Shield tanks are a ***** on cap. Add lag for extra fun and armour > shield to nr 1: lol, no. Thats a myth :P to nr 2: if you fail fit your shield tanker; yes.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.02.12 02:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs to nr 1: lol, no. Thats a myth :P wat? Originally by: Sidus Isaacs to nr 2: if you fail fit your shield tanker; yes. A non fail-fit armour tanker is still going to be more cap stable than a non fail-fit shield tanker.
Nikolai Bellic	Posted - 2009.02.12 03:00:00 - [7] i can tank 3200 more in a chimera than in an archon which is really confusing me a lot, i've made the setups in eft just with my actual skills i've got almost the same time to use both of them i definitely use shields better but cap also drains faster with triage online so cap is the double in the archon but well i can't figure out cause i plan to get a dread and it's just like 100 days more if you train the same faction's dread so dread is also a reason for choosing the right carrier, i like chimera way more than the archon not counting the bs size but as long as it works well im good with it
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.02.12 03:06:00 - [8] Using CPR's on the chimera gives sufficient cap recharge, and a great tank. SO imo, Chimera over Archon. But not by much. As for shiled tanked vs armor: its about equal, and any ship getting any form of cap rep is glad regardless :P. But! As Amarr is FOTM, we will see more Archons on the field as a spin off due to FOTM. Just as we did when Gallente was FOTM and Thanatos becoma popular. But that does not make any of them better ^^, only easier to get.
Gram Hellfire Eyes of the Night B.L.A.C.K.	Posted - 2009.02.12 06:23:00 - [9] caldari one is better at repping pos shields, for what it's worth
Levistus Junior Caldari The Perfect Storm Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.12 06:58:00 - [10] If you are also planning to get dread, I say Archon is a much better choice. The Revelation is one of the best dreads in the game (high dps, good tank&range, ammo lasts forever which is a big advantage in POS fights) while the Phoenix is not nearly as good (lowest DPS of all dreads, citadel torps take forever to reach a target and can be smartbombed; the only advantage is its excellent tank).
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2009.02.12 09:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Levistus Junior If you are also planning to get dread, I say Archon is a much better choice. The Revelation is one of the best dreads in the game (high dps, good tank&range, ammo lasts forever which is a big advantage in POS fights) while the Phoenix is not nearly as good (lowest DPS of all dreads, citadel torps take forever to reach a target and can be smartbombed; the only advantage is its excellent tank). The advantage is choosing damage types. MASSIVE advantage in POS fights. Doing your damage to 0% resists = win.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.02.12 10:47:00 - [12] Chimera > archon just look at them and you will know which is awesome and which one isnt :)
Lee Wai Sekura-Corporation	Posted - 2009.02.12 11:15:00 - [13] Edited by: Lee Wai on 12/02/2009 11:18:42 I destinctly remember primarying Shield tanking caps first, during my last stint in a 0.0 conquering alliance.. Reason: By far most armor tanked caps on the field (Remote armor reps). Easiest to neut (but primarily because the enemy had alot more remote armor repair). I'd say if you plan on taking part in large cap fleets in 0.0 i'd definately go Archon, since armor tankers are / were the most common. Also ECCM/Sensor boosters and cap rechargers go in midslots, which you need for shield tanking. Edit: If want a dread too, i'd definately go Archon / Revelation. Caldari dread is good at shooting pos's because it can change damage types. However citadel torps takes a lot of time to reach target, they can be smartbombed. So the Revelation would be better at killing other caps and it is also good at killing pos's. Therefore it is more versatile. Hence why i would pcik it.. --Sig--
Leeach	Posted - 2009.02.12 11:18:00 - [14] Edited by: Leeach on 12/02/2009 11:24:16 Originally by: Nikolai Bellic i can tank 3200 more in a chimera than in an archon which is really confusing me a lot, i've made the setups in eft just with my actual skills i've got almost the same time to use both of them i definitely use shields better but cap also drains faster with triage online so cap is the double in the archon but well i can't figure out cause i plan to get a dread and it's just like 100 days more if you train the same faction's dread so dread is also a reason for choosing the right carrier, i like chimera way more than the archon not counting the bs size but as long as it works well im good with it 3200 more dps... ? EFT say my archon can tank 5912 dps without triage modules and any command skill bonuses. If you say a chimera can tank 9112 dps i am going to get mad. Hmm pirate implants might do the trick.
TimMc Gallente Extradition	Posted - 2009.02.12 11:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Naomi Knight Chimera > archon just look at them and you will know which is awesome and which one isnt :) What?! Take that back, the archon is dead sexy. And armour tanking > shield tanking for carriers. You use the mid slots for ECCM and sensor boosters, and its more cap stable.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.02.12 11:27:00 - [16] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Naomi Knight Chimera > archon just look at them and you will know which is awesome and which one isnt :) What?! Take that back, the archon is dead sexy. Then why its top and bottom plates are missing?:D
shavada	Posted - 2009.02.12 11:31:00 - [17] Quote: If you say a chimera can tank 9112 dps... A Chimera can tank more then 9112 dps...
sm1thy	Posted - 2009.02.12 12:35:00 - [18] its a bit out of topic, but really felt the urge to tell it: MOROS , nuff said. best looking ship imo in game... and if u are going to use a dreadinlgy expensive ship looks should matter.
theghosthunter Caldari Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.12 13:45:00 - [19] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Naomi Knight Chimera > archon just look at them and you will know which is awesome and which one isnt :) What?! Take that back, the archon is dead sexy. And armour tanking > shield tanking for carriers. You use the mid slots for ECCM and sensor boosters, and its more cap stable. I fit ECCM and a Sensor booster to my Chimera and i am cap stable.
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2009.02.12 15:16:00 - [20] As for the whole perception that 'armor tanking is better than shield tanking because most PvP ships are armor tanked', there are two sides to it. Remote armor reps are more efficient when assisting a mainly armor tanked fleet because you're repping the type of buffer with the (hopefully) highest resists. Having said that, remote shield repping an armor-tanked ship is still useful; it's not as useful as a remote armor rep but it's still extra HP that the enemy has to chew through to get you down. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about remote armor-repping a shield-tanked ship; if a shield tanker is already in armor it's tank is already broken and it's in a lot more trouble than an armor-tanker who's still in armor (it's still useful, but in my experience not as useful because all of your 'good' resists are gone). Obviously, either forms of remote repping are good if your target is in structure but at that point you're probably too late. tl;dr version: remote armor repping is more efficient at what it does given the popularity of armor tanks in PvP fleets, remote shield repping is more flexible. The ability to use both types of reps is, at least to me, the only saving grace of the Thanatos. It's local tank is horrible and it's slot layout leaves something to be desired, but it's flexibility comes in real handy, espeically in smaller engagements where you might not have many carriers on the field. As for the OP's question, both the Archon and Chimera are strong carriers: they have good local tanks and a spider-tanking group of either of them is a force to be reconked with. The Chimera can achieve a stronger local tank than an Archon can, but only if you throw gobs and gobs of money at it; with more 'normal' T2 and low-end faction fits they're largely equivalent. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne

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