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McBryan
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Posted - 2004.08.05 17:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Patch Log
Only directors are allowed to send mass mails to their corp members.
Is there a reason for this change?
My corp uses this functionality quite often and I'd rather it wasnt removed for normal corp members.
At the very least give us an "Allowed to send corp mails" role, dont just restrict it to directors only.
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McBryan
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Posted - 2004.08.05 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Patch Log
Only directors are allowed to send mass mails to their corp members.
Is there a reason for this change?
My corp uses this functionality quite often and I'd rather it wasnt removed for normal corp members.
At the very least give us an "Allowed to send corp mails" role, dont just restrict it to directors only.
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.08.05 18:32:00 -
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Yeah, why is it being removed? the feature's pretty useful for our corp, we're a fairly loosely organized group, and anyone can make a suggestion as to where to attack next, and usually make their argument with a corp mail
They're also useful when people are going on a long break from Eve, to send out a corpmail so they arent accidentally kicked out, etc.
Why the change?
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.08.05 18:32:00 -
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Yeah, why is it being removed? the feature's pretty useful for our corp, we're a fairly loosely organized group, and anyone can make a suggestion as to where to attack next, and usually make their argument with a corp mail
They're also useful when people are going on a long break from Eve, to send out a corpmail so they arent accidentally kicked out, etc.
Why the change?
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Zenobia
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Posted - 2004.08.06 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: Zenobia on 06/08/2004 04:12:00
Edited by: Zenobia on 06/08/2004 04:11:10
Agreed, I do not see the reason this needs to be changed. It is handy for all of us, especially in smaller corporations, to be able to communicate with each other through the mass evemails. It is not practical to force us to make more people director level than is necessary...
-- Zen
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Zenobia
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Posted - 2004.08.06 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: Zenobia on 06/08/2004 04:12:00
Edited by: Zenobia on 06/08/2004 04:11:10
Agreed, I do not see the reason this needs to be changed. It is handy for all of us, especially in smaller corporations, to be able to communicate with each other through the mass evemails. It is not practical to force us to make more people director level than is necessary...
-- Zen
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Cutter John
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Posted - 2004.08.06 08:38:00 -
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maybe the problem is all the useless spam collecting on alts, cluttering there db.. who knows. more likely some huge megacorp got tired of joeblo emailin everyone all the time. cant understand this though.. its rather silly.
if ya take this out though, at least put another grantable role in, "can send corpmail"
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Cutter John
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Posted - 2004.08.06 08:38:00 -
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maybe the problem is all the useless spam collecting on alts, cluttering there db.. who knows. more likely some huge megacorp got tired of joeblo emailin everyone all the time. cant understand this though.. its rather silly.
if ya take this out though, at least put another grantable role in, "can send corpmail"
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Laendra
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Posted - 2004.08.06 12:06:00 -
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Now, here is the kicker...this change makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, because, you can create a buddy group and send group mail to everyone in that group, so your evemail could go out to MORE than your corp. Pointless, really, when you take that into consideration. I might agree with some, that there be a corp role that allows to send corp-wide evemail out. That would be the stopgap to address whatever need CCP seems to be filling on their side, but still keep the functionality ingame for those that need/want to use it.
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Laendra
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Posted - 2004.08.06 12:06:00 -
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Now, here is the kicker...this change makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, because, you can create a buddy group and send group mail to everyone in that group, so your evemail could go out to MORE than your corp. Pointless, really, when you take that into consideration. I might agree with some, that there be a corp role that allows to send corp-wide evemail out. That would be the stopgap to address whatever need CCP seems to be filling on their side, but still keep the functionality ingame for those that need/want to use it.
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Drakxter
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Posted - 2004.08.06 12:33:00 -
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The best thing would be able to give the function to people.. CEOs and directors get it right away, but others need it "checked on" in there info.
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Drakxter
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Posted - 2004.08.06 12:33:00 -
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The best thing would be able to give the function to people.. CEOs and directors get it right away, but others need it "checked on" in there info.
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2004.08.07 00:11:00 -
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If I was to speculate, I'd say those who send out corp messages to recruit in newbie corps are being nerfed... And the rest of us along with them.
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2004.08.07 00:11:00 -
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If I was to speculate, I'd say those who send out corp messages to recruit in newbie corps are being nerfed... And the rest of us along with them.
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McBryan
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Posted - 2004.08.07 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ebedar
If I was to speculate, I'd say those who send out corp messages to recruit in newbie corps are being nerfed... And the rest of us along with them.
That had not occurred to me, if that is the case can't they just stop them in NPC corps?
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McBryan
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Posted - 2004.08.07 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ebedar
If I was to speculate, I'd say those who send out corp messages to recruit in newbie corps are being nerfed... And the rest of us along with them.
That had not occurred to me, if that is the case can't they just stop them in NPC corps?
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foster
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Posted - 2004.08.07 13:44:00 -
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this does need to stay. but iuf it has to go, why not make it a corp roles so it can be assigned to members. eg. Corp Messaging - allows a member to send corp message.
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foster
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Posted - 2004.08.07 13:44:00 -
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this does need to stay. but iuf it has to go, why not make it a corp roles so it can be assigned to members. eg. Corp Messaging - allows a member to send corp message.
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Cutter John
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Posted - 2004.08.09 07:14:00 -
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thanks for the reply travelor... and you're right, there is no real reason this is needed.. however, can it be added as a grantable role? that would eliminate all the problems that caused its removal, and still allow the functionality for those that want it.
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Cutter John
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Posted - 2004.08.09 07:14:00 -
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thanks for the reply travelor... and you're right, there is no real reason this is needed.. however, can it be added as a grantable role? that would eliminate all the problems that caused its removal, and still allow the functionality for those that want it.
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.08.09 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Traveler
As far as i have read, nobody gave a reason why the fixed should be removed. You only write "give the old function back" - but do not say why.
Pretty obviuos. Because people use it? 
Just remove it from NPC-corps as suggested, everyone will be happy then.
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.08.09 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Traveler
As far as i have read, nobody gave a reason why the fixed should be removed. You only write "give the old function back" - but do not say why.
Pretty obviuos. Because people use it?
Just remove it from NPC-corps as suggested, everyone will be happy then.
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Qwakrz
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Posted - 2004.08.09 13:33:00 -
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Have the option as an addition to the corp.
e.g. Player is allowed to send corp messages
The same as choosing the access a player has to hangers etc.
This way the CEO can choose who can use the feature & stop spam mails
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Qwakrz
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Posted - 2004.08.09 13:33:00 -
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Have the option as an addition to the corp.
e.g. Player is allowed to send corp messages
The same as choosing the access a player has to hangers etc.
This way the CEO can choose who can use the feature & stop spam mails
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Zenobia
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Posted - 2004.08.09 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Traveler
The reason for removing it is simple:
People were using chars in newbie corps to advertise their own corp. This caused a lot of DB load.
I thought this was brought up and fixed a while back with special rules for NPC corps? I don't recall seeing any more spam so I thought it had been fixed. I stand corrected if this isn't the case.
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Another reason was the abuse of this feature in the FCC station on chaos requesting for hangar roles.
Sorry, but I don't see how this is relevant to TQ. This is a problem on Chaos, and I do not see how implementing a fix that impacts thousands of people on a live server (most with no knowledge of the above problem) can be considered a valid reason.
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As far as i have read, nobody gave a reason why the fixed should be removed. You only write "give the old function back" - but do not say why.
I think a few people gave their reasons already. For the most part, its simply convenience in being able to coordinate things together with your corp mates, be it ops, upcoming events, moves, discussions, etc.
A lot of people here also suggested a method that this could be implemented better (plus it solves your Chaos problem) - add a role allowing people to send corp evemails.
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Zenobia
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Posted - 2004.08.09 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Traveler
The reason for removing it is simple:
People were using chars in newbie corps to advertise their own corp. This caused a lot of DB load.
I thought this was brought up and fixed a while back with special rules for NPC corps? I don't recall seeing any more spam so I thought it had been fixed. I stand corrected if this isn't the case.
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Another reason was the abuse of this feature in the FCC station on chaos requesting for hangar roles.
Sorry, but I don't see how this is relevant to TQ. This is a problem on Chaos, and I do not see how implementing a fix that impacts thousands of people on a live server (most with no knowledge of the above problem) can be considered a valid reason.
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As far as i have read, nobody gave a reason why the fixed should be removed. You only write "give the old function back" - but do not say why.
I think a few people gave their reasons already. For the most part, its simply convenience in being able to coordinate things together with your corp mates, be it ops, upcoming events, moves, discussions, etc.
A lot of people here also suggested a method that this could be implemented better (plus it solves your Chaos problem) - add a role allowing people to send corp evemails.
-- Zen
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McBryan
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Posted - 2004.08.09 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Traveler
The reason for removing it is simple:
People were using chars in newbie corps to advertise their own corp. This caused a lot of DB load.
Another reason was the abuse of this feature in the FCC station on chaos requesting for hangar roles.
As far as i have read, nobody gave a reason why the fixed should be removed. You only write "give the old function back" - but do not say why.
Because we use it.
1) Ask other corp members to ship items they need from Empire to 0.0 the next time they are there
2) To advertise they are coming from Empire to 0.0 and can bring stuff for people
3) To see if anyone has something they need for sale
4) To let corp mates know when they go on holiday for 2 weeks and thats why they arn't about
5) Sharing advice about setups
6) News about interesting things that have happened
7) Battle results (its not only the directors that are in battles)
8) And most importantly, if theres something we all NEED to know really quickly, a corp mail will tell everyone in the corp as soon as they log on and the flashing inbox gets more attention than a flashing chat channel
And obviously sending messages that say "Notferr's drunken ass is now KOS" and the resulting replies from.
The reasons for removing it you mentioned could be fixed by either removing it for NPC corps or adding a "Can send corp mail" role. Either solution I would be happy with.
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McBryan
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Posted - 2004.08.09 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Traveler
The reason for removing it is simple:
People were using chars in newbie corps to advertise their own corp. This caused a lot of DB load.
Another reason was the abuse of this feature in the FCC station on chaos requesting for hangar roles.
As far as i have read, nobody gave a reason why the fixed should be removed. You only write "give the old function back" - but do not say why.
Because we use it.
1) Ask other corp members to ship items they need from Empire to 0.0 the next time they are there
2) To advertise they are coming from Empire to 0.0 and can bring stuff for people
3) To see if anyone has something they need for sale
4) To let corp mates know when they go on holiday for 2 weeks and thats why they arn't about
5) Sharing advice about setups
6) News about interesting things that have happened
7) Battle results (its not only the directors that are in battles)
8) And most importantly, if theres something we all NEED to know really quickly, a corp mail will tell everyone in the corp as soon as they log on and the flashing inbox gets more attention than a flashing chat channel
And obviously sending messages that say "Notferr's drunken ass is now KOS" and the resulting replies from.
The reasons for removing it you mentioned could be fixed by either removing it for NPC corps or adding a "Can send corp mail" role. Either solution I would be happy with.
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ZealotForHire
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Posted - 2004.08.09 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Traveler
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As far as i have read, nobody gave a reason why the fixed should be removed. You only write "give the old function back" - but do not say why.
Because we use it. Because it's more convenient than maintaining an addressbook folder where you have to manually add/remove people from it so that you can spam them with corporate mail.
If it needs to be limited, add a new role and limit it to that role.
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ZealotForHire
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Posted - 2004.08.09 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Traveler
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As far as i have read, nobody gave a reason why the fixed should be removed. You only write "give the old function back" - but do not say why.
Because we use it. Because it's more convenient than maintaining an addressbook folder where you have to manually add/remove people from it so that you can spam them with corporate mail.
If it needs to be limited, add a new role and limit it to that role.
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