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Hamoycal Karyst	Posted - 2009.02.12 16:43:00 - [1] ECM are clearly overpowered on a Falcon. If you don't agree you are a stupid falcon pilot. Full stop. If CCP do not want to change the ecm strenght (and i can't understand why, since they killed the arazu with no problem) reducing targeting range for each fitted ecm could help. "Falcon is made of paper" is not an excuse, it's just stupid, becouse every recon is made of paper; you don't need tank btw, becouse sitting at 230km is way more powerful than every tank. Permajamming multiple targets is wrong too, if the falcon must be that strong it should be forced to focus on just 1 target. Having more than 1 falcon in a gang is just a joke. "Fit eccm" is stupid too: 1. eccm are broken 2. you need 3 eccm t2 to have a chance, but your bs can still be permajammed by a kitsune; that say it all. 3. you cannot force everyone to fit a module (3 tbh), just becouse a ship is overpowered. Note: i made months and months.. and months of fights, tests and everything, i talk 'couse i got experience and not theory or stupid fittings tools.
Visceroth Minmatar The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.12 16:45:00 - [2] ugh not another one. In before lecrotta comes in with "Falcon's can't solo like other recons" and "Falcons jam chance is random where other recons effects are 100% guaranteed"
Hamoycal Karyst	Posted - 2009.02.12 16:48:00 - [3] Edited by: Hamoycal Karyst on 12/02/2009 16:49:25 Originally by: Visceroth ugh not another one. Is problem solved? no. Then more will come for sure. Originally by: Visceroth "Falcons jam chance is random where other recons effects are 100% guaranteed" And this is not true, falcons do permajam. that is a fact not an opinion. They SHOULD be chance based, but they are clearly broken then.
lecrotta Minmatar lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2009.02.12 16:52:00 - [4] Edited by: lecrotta on 12/02/2009 16:52:51 Originally by: Hamoycal Karyst WWWAAAA I JUST GOT JAMMED... Same crap different thread... Originally by: Visceroth In before lecrotta comes in with "Falcon's can't solo like other recons" and "Falcons jam chance is random where other recons effects are 100% guaranteed" NOOOOOOOOO
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.12 16:52:00 - [5] Is there a problem? no.
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.02.12 16:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Hamoycal Karyst Edited by: Hamoycal Karyst on 12/02/2009 16:49:25 Originally by: Visceroth ugh not another one. Is problem solved? no. Then more will come for sure. Originally by: Visceroth "Falcons jam chance is random where other recons effects are 100% guaranteed" And this is not true, falcons do permajam. that is a fact not an opinion. They SHOULD be chance based, but they are clearly broken then. oh but they ARE chance based. they have 100% chances of jamming smaller ships, whereas they have reduced efectiveness on jamming ECCM'ed ships. also, I don't agree with you, and I am not a falcon pilot. I am actually a rook pilot --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2009.02.12 16:56:00 - [7] Kill the falcon. Problem solved. Oh wait, that requires a little more thinking and preparation than "OMG BIGGEZZT CLOSE RANGE GUNZ AND THREE DAMAGEMODS ARE 1337 EFT DPS!!!!" Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.02.12 17:03:00 - [8] And the OP has the crowd on its feet by hitting the dead horse out of the stadium! Look at that thing fly! While we're at it folks, don't forget to pick up that dead horse head being offered at the main office for all the little kiddies here today. Have a grand day at the park! ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Visceroth Minmatar The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.12 17:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Hamoycal Karyst Edited by: Hamoycal Karyst on 12/02/2009 16:49:25 Originally by: Visceroth ugh not another one. Is problem solved? no. Then more will come for sure. Did you give CCP time to solve the issue? No. Instead more posts will come even though 1000's of posts already exist, saying the same damn thing, hoping that CCP will magically come up with the code in 3-4 months time and also without testing.
Tchulen	Posted - 2009.02.12 17:29:00 - [10] I caught the horse's head! Do I get a prize? Or do I just put it on the OP's pillow as a warning to stop crying like a baby?
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.12 17:29:00 - [11] Originally by: Hamoycal Karyst Is problem solved? no. A nonexistent problem needs no solution. Originally by: 7shining7one7 Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching with 0 transversal cos lasers fragment when you approach them
Hamoycal Karyst	Posted - 2009.02.12 17:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Last Wolf Kill the falcon. Problem solved. Oh wait, that requires a little more thinking and preparation than "OMG BIGGEZZT CLOSE RANGE GUNZ AND THREE DAMAGEMODS ARE 1337 EFT DPS!!!!" read my post carefully next time and be less fail.
Hamoycal Karyst	Posted - 2009.02.12 17:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Murina Originally by: Hamoycal Karyst Is problem solved? no. A nonexistent problem needs no solution. You need to fight more, then you can come back and try to open your mouth again. Since then, stfu and go back mining.
Hamoycal Karyst	Posted - 2009.02.12 17:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Tchulen I caught the horse's head! Do I get a prize? Or do I just put it on the OP's pillow as a warning to stop crying like a baby? Where was i crying? Stop being a troll and say something useful. I'm talking about an existing problem, and gave an idea on how to fix it a bit. I can understand that you don't want to see the falcon nerfed 'couse you'll loose your iWin button, but that makes you not cool.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis Mean Coalition	Posted - 2009.02.12 17:43:00 - [15] The only real time Falcons could be considered overpowered is one Falcon vs a single ECCM-less target, then you have a pretty high chance of having it get jammed. But then again, anything that is a gang vs solo target rarely ends well for the solo pilot. The Falcon pilot could just as easily be in a DPS gank boat and melt you just the same. As soon as you spread those jammers around, perma-jamming becomes a myth. Whine less and prepare. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Mithos Victus Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.12 17:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Hamoycal Karyst Anything that requies me to think are clearly overpowered on any other ship. If you don't agree you are a stupid internet spaceships pilot. Full stop. If CCP do not want to change the game to easy mode (and i can't understand why, since they killed everything else a million emo kid tears later with no problem) reducing fights to a pong screen for each and every PvP encounter could help. "Ships explode" is not an excuse, it's just stupid, becouse every ship is made of splodin; you don't need ships btw, becouse sitting at any range is way more powerful than giving me and only me the iWin button. Permanoobing multiple targets is the only way I will not emo ragequit, if the ship must be that strong it should be forced to blow up whenever I scratch my butt. Having more than 1 ship to fight against me is just a joke. "Try to L2P" is stupid too: 1. my brainsauce are broken 2. you need 3 brain cells t2 to have a chance, but your single brainsauce can still be permanoobed by my lack of brain; that say it all. 3. you cannot force everyone to lift their finger (noobs tbh), just becouse a ship can fire on me and it makes me go emo. Note: i made months and months of wookie.. and months of emo, tests and everything, i talk 'couse i got experience in nooberism and run from any fight that haz any challenge. Fixed that for you. _______________________________________________ [...a lion lurking in the plain]
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.12 17:45:00 - [17] Edited by: Murina on 12/02/2009 17:45:21 Originally by: Hamoycal Karyst Originally by: Murina Originally by: Hamoycal Karyst Is problem solved? no. A nonexistent problem needs no solution. You need to fight more, then you can come back and try to open your mouth again. Since then, stfu and go back mining. Tell you what post with your uber xp main or give us his name if you cannot or you stfu. QQ more or fit eccm noob it works great. Originally by: 7shining7one7 Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching with 0 transversal cos lasers fragment when you approach them
Tchulen	Posted - 2009.02.12 17:53:00 - [18] Edited by: Tchulen on 12/02/2009 17:55:56 Edited by: Tchulen on 12/02/2009 17:54:24 I don't fly falcons. I can't fly falcons. I don't have an iWin button. Hmmm..... Methinks you're getting angry about the response to your thread and lashing out with unsubstantiated claims. The only reason I responded is because I've read so many whining posts about how falcons are overpowered, mkay. We get it. CCP MUST have got it by now. Some people are getting annoyed at falcons. Did you die just before posting this thread? Perhaps to a gang with a falcon? [EDIT] ps I'm not a troll. They live under bridges. I live in an internet spaceship [EDIT] last time I post on a "Whhhhaaaaa! I hate falcons" thread. I just get abused ;)
Aceru Gallente Apellon	Posted - 2009.02.12 19:38:00 - [19] Edited by: Aceru on 12/02/2009 19:40:52 Originally by: Artemis Rose The only real time Falcons could be considered overpowered is one Falcon vs a single ECCM-less target, then you have a pretty high chance of having it get jammed. But then again, anything that is a gang vs solo target rarely ends well for the solo pilot. The Falcon pilot could just as easily be in a DPS gank boat and melt you just the same. As soon as you spread those jammers around, perma-jamming becomes a myth. Whine less and prepare. Exactly. If you outfit a Falcon for pure ECM you pretty much have a 100% chance to jam any ship concentrated. But in any battle involving more than 5 people, you shouldn't even need ECCM to take out that falcon. 1 or 2 of your ship mates may get jammed, but if you prioritize your targeting, you take out that Falcon and then you have no problem fighting the rest of his friends. I may be new so if I'm missing something let me know, but that sounds about right to me. Quick Edit: And before you throw out the "TOO LONG RANGE" bit, sensor dampeners, artillery, cruise missiles, tachyon...
AnmmnA Princeps Corp Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.12 19:47:00 - [20] Edited by: AnmmnA on 12/02/2009 19:55:38 Edited by: AnmmnA on 12/02/2009 19:51:44 Originally by: Hamoycal Karyst ECM are clearly overpowered on a Falcon. If you don't agree you are a stupid falcon pilot. Full stop. ECM aren't clearly overpowered on a Falcon. If you don't agree, it's because you've never tried a Falcon. Full stop. Originally by: Hamoycal Karyst 2. you need 3 eccm t2 to have a chance, but your bs can still be permajammed by a kitsune; that say it all. This proof that neither has ever used a kitsune. BS + 3ECCM = 80 Sensor strengh (aprox.) Kistune = 12 ECM Strengh (aprox.) 15% chance is PERMAJAMMED ????? Please, those who do not know how the ECM works, forget complaints. First, use it. Second, evaluate it. Thirdly, complain.
Visceroth Minmatar The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.12 20:14:00 - [21] Edited by: Visceroth on 12/02/2009 20:14:02 Originally by: AnmmnA Edited by: AnmmnA on 12/02/2009 20:03:52 Edited by: AnmmnA on 12/02/2009 19:55:38 Edited by: AnmmnA on 12/02/2009 19:51:44 Originally by: Hamoycal Karyst ECM are clearly overpowered on a Falcon. If you don't agree you are a stupid falcon pilot. Full stop. ECM aren't clearly overpowered on a Falcon. If you don't agree, it's because you've never tried a Falcon. Full stop. Originally by: Hamoycal Karyst 2. you need 3 eccm t2 to have a chance, but your bs can still be permajammed by a kitsune; that say it all. This proof that neither has ever used a kitsune. BS + 3ECCM = 80 Sensor strengh (aprox.) Kistune = 12 ECM Strengh (aprox.) 15% chance is permajammed ????? If that hypothetical Kitsune is fitted whit FULL correct RACIAL ECM, and use it all on you, still have just a 55,62946875% jamming chance. I'll ask again; This is permajamed ???? Please, those who do not know how the ECM works, forget complaints. First, use it. Second, evaluate it. Thirdly, complain. While percentages are great to throw around, percentages don't really mean much. In your case the jam chance is approximately 6 out of 10 cycles will jam. but those are just stats. Stats give way to facts. fact is you can be hit for every cycle every time. Under these conditions one may feel to be perma jammed. What everyone forgets is that it's a game of chance. Falcons have the upperhand to this game of chance because of the distance. I'm not saying nerf or boost anything. I am just trying to give both sides a different view. Please don't flame me. runs away
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.12 20:24:00 - [22] Edited by: Murina on 12/02/2009 20:25:19 Originally by: Visceroth While percentages are great to throw around, percentages don't really mean much. In your case the jam chance is approximately 6 out of 10 cycles will jam. 6/10, 9/10 or 1/10 % chance as you say are just numbers, but then if its the first 6, 9 or 1 your in trouble and if its the last 6, 9 or 1 the fights over so meh..... And if it alternates its down to you to make the best of your unjammed times... Originally by: 7shining7one7 Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching with 0 transversal cos lasers fragment when you approach them
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.12 20:28:00 - [23] I want my Rapier to have webs and tps a range of 150km and chance-based, based on say the mass of each ship, so smaller ships will almost always come to a dead stop for 10 seconds, but battleships only come to a dead stop 50% of the time. And after all this time, I finally removed that annoying sentence in my signature.
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2009.02.12 20:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Visceroth While percentages are great to throw around, percentages don't really mean much. In your case the jam chance is approximately 6 out of 10 cycles will jam. but those are just stats. Stats give way to facts. fact is you can be hit for every cycle every time. Under these conditions one may feel to be perma jammed. What everyone forgets is that it's a game of chance. 60% of the time, it works every time. --------------------
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.12 20:29:00 - [25] Edited by: Murina on 12/02/2009 20:30:20 Originally by: Spaztick I want my Rapier to have webs and tps a range of 150km and chance-based, based on say the mass of each ship, so smaller ships will almost always come to a dead stop for 10 seconds, but battleships only come to a dead stop 50% of the time. Tough.....,webs are perfect in the way they work, if not as strong as they should be. Originally by: 7shining7one7 Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching with 0 transversal cos lasers fragment when you approach them
Cade Morrigan Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.12 20:46:00 - [26] I want webs like Spidey!
Nicholas DW Infusion.	Posted - 2009.02.13 02:05:00 - [27] Give up, CCP doesn't care, just fly the Falcon.
DJ Tim Chin Chinnery	Posted - 2009.02.13 02:09:00 - [28] Less whine, just fly the falcon, you'll like it. --~-- Don't Worry Baby, You Can Touch My Chin Anytime.

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