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Xarkon
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Posted - 2009.02.12 23:46:00 -
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When doing research for invention, how much is too much? I see in Contracts lots of BPCs to the 100/100 level on ME and Productivity. My cruiser and frigate BPO's take a bloody long time when 100/100, but small energy cystals and missile BPO's are just a week or two. Is it worth it to research BPO's all the way to 100/100 when done for the purpose of invention?
As a side thought, sometimes it doesn't matter to me the research time, because I don't have enough datacores ready anyways.
Thoughts? Commentary? Trolling?
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Horchan
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.13 00:20:00 -
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The input ME/PE on the T1 BPC has absolutely no effect on the invented T2 BPC. It's actually a total waste (in my opinion) to use fully researched T1 BPC's for invention, unless you don't have anything else available to you.
The only two stats that matter on the T1 BPC for invention purposes are the "Runs Remaining" and the "Production Limit", or more specifically, the ratio of those two stats. Other than that, nothing else on the T1 BPC matters.
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Life is Experience
Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.13 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Sidrat Flush on 13/02/2009 00:20:49
Depends on the blueprint and your own building skills.
With perfect building skills most (if not all) tech 1 blueprints can be researched to zero (or near as damnit) waste, I use MLCalc to display the number involved, and for most modules it's not that high a number. When it comes to ships though, the higher the number the "better", although at each level you're saving fewer and fewer minerals, do you really pay that much more in order to save a few hundred units of tritanium per build?
Look for MLCalc and use that, it'll save you from spending too much on over researched blueprints.
EDIT: I need to read the OP more fully before posting. sorry about that.
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Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.13 15:13:00 -
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Not for the purpose of invention, but the purpose of both builders and inventors finding your contract. Sometimes it's just easier to buy a 10 run BPC than spend 800M and weeks of research time ;) |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
Zzz
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Posted - 2009.02.13 16:05:00 -
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I'll echo, and hopefully clarify, what others have said.
The BPCs you use for invention do not need to have any ME or PE research done on them at all. It has absolutely no effect on the invention result.
The only element of a BPC for invention that matters is the number of runs on the BPC. The optimum number of runs you need on a BPC will vary depending on the type of things you are inventing, some work well with 1 run BPCs and some work best with max run BPCs. If in doubt, max run will always give you the best result, however it may not be the most economical choice.
Most BPC sellers will be selling highly researched BPCs because then they can appeal to multiple marketplaces. While unresearched BPCs may be fine for inventors, a highly researched BPC has more appeal for manufacturers. Also, many inventors will choose to make the T1 version of the invented product as a component for the T2 manufacturing job and they can use the same type of BPCs for both jobs.
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Xarkon
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Posted - 2009.02.13 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Xarkon on 13/02/2009 17:33:33
Edited by: Xarkon on 13/02/2009 17:30:46
Ummm. Hmm. Maybe I asked the question wrong. Or maybe I don't understand the process as well as I thought. I was only thinking along the lines of inventing from a T1 BPC to a T2 BPC. When the goal is to be as efficient as possible with the inventing process, both time wise and datacore usage wise, how much is too much to do ME/PE research? Or does it even matter? Or are datacores that cheap that who cares if your invention only succeeds 1 out of every 5, 6, 8, 13 or more times?
In other words, a 0/0 ME/PE T1 BPC is just as likely to invent into a T2 BPC as a 100/100 ME/PE T1 BPC? And any other ME/PE combo in between?
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Braaage
Ministry of Craft
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Posted - 2009.02.13 17:33:00 -
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ME0 PE0 V ME100 PE100 = same invention outcome.
In other words it makes no difference whatsoever.
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Xarkon
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Posted - 2009.02.13 17:45:00 -
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Oh my holy butt-@#%^^@$% sh&#$%* in mother a@# sh^#%&@$% fu@((^%#$%& HELL!!!! So, for the majority of the past year, I have been burning ME/PE cycles at research stations for nothing more than ISK sink??!! Reading on http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Invention I find this:
Contrary to popular belief, the probability is not dependent on:
* Material Level of the input BPC
* Productivity Level of the input BPC
* Licensed runs of the input BPC (though it can affect output BPC runs)
Bloody sh!t! Did this change somewhere along the line? Was invention based off of ME/PE at one time? How the hell did I get that idea in my head?
As a side note, anybody interested in a whole slew of 100/100 BPCs? 
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Akira Kurosaw
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Posted - 2009.02.13 17:57:00 -
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There are a frew of the T1 BPO that already are at perfect build (hint:laser crystals) |
Jaarlax
Ratty Corp PLC
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2009.02.13 18:11:00 -
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contract em, inventers that have yet to realise what you now know will buy em up
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Xarkon
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Posted - 2009.02.13 18:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Akira Kurosaw
There are a frew of the T1 BPO that already are at perfect build (hint:laser crystals)
Looks like I'll need to stop my 10 day PE research on ultraviolet smalls tonight after work... 
Originally by: Jaarlax
contract em, inventers that have yet to realise what you now know will buy em up
Well, I guess to be part of the full Eve experience, I gotta run at least one scam..... 
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Austin Kincaid
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Posted - 2009.02.13 18:46:00 -
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Xarkon,
you did not waste the research time getting ME/PE on your bpo's if you intend to build off of them. When I first buy a bpo, I make a number of copies at 0/0 me/pe just for invention purposes, then I start doing the me/pe research so when I build off the bpo it saves me time and minerals. Once your bpo's are researched you can always make some copies for sale on contracts to other builders.
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2009.02.13 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Xarkon
Edited by: Xarkon on 13/02/2009 17:59:00
Oh my holy butt-@#%^^@$% sh&#$%* in mother a@# sh^#%&@$% fu@((^%#$%& HELL!!!! So, for the majority of the past year, I have been burning ME/PE cycles at research stations for nothing more than ISK sink??!! Someone please tell me that there is someway to exchange nearly a year's worth of pointless ME research for skill points.
Good news, you can sell those blueprints for a healthy profit over npc price, and they buy vanilla ones. In this, we find we can exchange our labor for income.  |
Mad Crafter
Multiverse Corporation
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2009.02.13 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Xarkon
Originally by: Akira Kurosaw
There are a frew of the T1 BPO that already are at perfect build (hint:laser crystals)
Looks like I'll need to stop my 10 day PE research on ultraviolet smalls tonight after work...
He was talking about ME. PE will still affect the BPO, although 10 days is quite excessive for small ammo.
Originally by: Xarkon
Originally by: Jaarlax
contract em, inventers that have yet to realise what you now know will buy em up
Well, I guess to be part of the full Eve experience, I gotta run at least one scam.....
I wouldn't call it a scam. After all researched BPOs are quite useful to T1 builders. I find may people like to buy BPOs for things they use a lot. I use my spare ME/PE slots at my invention POS to research BPOs just for re sail. |
Xarkon
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Posted - 2009.02.13 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Xarkon on 13/02/2009 23:30:33
Like I said, I've been researching these things out to ME/PE 100/100, 'cause I thought that had an effect on T1 -> T2 BPC invention success. So, I've been researching the majority of my BPO's well past any additional mineral consumption benefits. You can only take 3 units of megacyte down to 1 so far before it never... drops below... 1 .....  I've typically been working with small sized ships and small sized ammo. I think I recall that researching those much past the teens is pointless. My Caracal, though, dear Jove almighty! I've eaten up several months getting that researched up to past 50. Even with it being a cruiser BPO, I'm pretty sure hasnt' been worth it.
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Kusum Fawn
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Posted - 2009.02.15 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kusum Fawn on 15/02/2009 08:50:58
If you have Frigates at high ME levels, noob players will buy them at low prices, if you can sell short run copies at low prices or high run copies at low prices lots of people will buy them, having high me bpos is never bad, although lots of people will tell you it is, Noob players do get troubles from the little amounts of trit thats saved, little to you but not to them, its all relative, but even as an inventor, id still buy cheap high me copies, if it made sense to, i can sell the t1 ships (with the marginal lower build cost - -40 trit! woot) and use the last run to invent on,
I know as a noob i would have loved to be able to buy a few cheap bpc for things
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