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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.23 14:11:00 -
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from the escalation patchnotes...
Quote:Worldshaping
The security status of systems in Etherium Reach, Malpais, Oasa, Outer Passage, Perrigen Falls, The Kalvela Expanse and the Spire has been adjusted upwards to bring them more into line with the rest of nullsec.
I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another?
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Azitek
Astrum Tech
Pina Colada Armada
56
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Posted - 2012.04.23 14:45:00 -
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Or could it be that, and this is just a wild guess, while updating the drone regions, they felt they might need to update the drone regions? |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
641
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Posted - 2012.04.23 14:51:00 -
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Azitek wrote:Or could it be that, and this is just a wild guess, while updating the drone regions, they felt they might need to update the drone regions?
Wow. That was insightful. Something changed in the drone regions? Hadn't heard about that. Thank you for contributing.
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
928
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Posted - 2012.04.23 14:52:00 -
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Azitek wrote:Or could it be that, and this is just a wild guess, while updating the drone regions, they felt they might need to update the drone regions?
No, the changes are in no way related, its purely by chance that they updated the drone regions while updating the drone regions
also Xzibit was not involved in the process
My homeboys tried to warn me
But that butt you got makes me so horny |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
1224
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Posted - 2012.04.23 14:53:00 -
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Gogela wrote:from the escalation patchnotes...Quote:Worldshaping
The security status of systems in Etherium Reach, Malpais, Oasa, Outer Passage, Perrigen Falls, The Kalvela Expanse and the Spire has been adjusted upwards to bring them more into line with the rest of nullsec. I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another?
This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe. |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
641
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Posted - 2012.04.23 14:56:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Gogela wrote:from the escalation patchnotes...Quote:Worldshaping
The security status of systems in Etherium Reach, Malpais, Oasa, Outer Passage, Perrigen Falls, The Kalvela Expanse and the Spire has been adjusted upwards to bring them more into line with the rest of nullsec. I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another? This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe.
Oh.
Thank you for your response CCP Greyscale!
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Deathwing Reborn
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:01:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Gogela wrote:from the escalation patchnotes...Quote:Worldshaping
The security status of systems in Etherium Reach, Malpais, Oasa, Outer Passage, Perrigen Falls, The Kalvela Expanse and the Spire has been adjusted upwards to bring them more into line with the rest of nullsec. I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another? This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe.
"The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe" Ya, just like the rest of drone regions. no faction loot worth anything, no loot tables, no security status from drones, and crappy salvage. Yet you still can not find the time to "fix" those problems. But the rest of it yes, that is HUGELY out of whack.
To the OP, they are not making everything equal, the drone regions suck more now than they ever did after this patch. Putting them further out of line with the rest of the universe as a whole anyway. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
224
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:06:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Gogela wrote:from the escalation patchnotes...Quote:Worldshaping
The security status of systems in Etherium Reach, Malpais, Oasa, Outer Passage, Perrigen Falls, The Kalvela Expanse and the Spire has been adjusted upwards to bring them more into line with the rest of nullsec. I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another? This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe.
Why is it out of Whack? Did you had 200 tech moons? |
Wukulo
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
44
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:11:00 -
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Gogela wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Gogela wrote:from the escalation patchnotes...Quote:Worldshaping
The security status of systems in Etherium Reach, Malpais, Oasa, Outer Passage, Perrigen Falls, The Kalvela Expanse and the Spire has been adjusted upwards to bring them more into line with the rest of nullsec. I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another? This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe. "Oh. " - The sound of a whiny idiot being informed on the internet.
Posted on main because I'm not a coward like the rest of you. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
641
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:13:00 -
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Deathwing Reborn wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Gogela wrote:from the escalation patchnotes...Quote:Worldshaping
The security status of systems in Etherium Reach, Malpais, Oasa, Outer Passage, Perrigen Falls, The Kalvela Expanse and the Spire has been adjusted upwards to bring them more into line with the rest of nullsec. I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another? This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe. "The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe" Ya, just like the rest of drone regions. no faction loot worth anything, no loot tables, no security status from drones, and crappy salvage. Yet you still can not find the time to "fix" those problems. But the rest of it yes, that is HUGELY out of whack. To the OP, they are not making everything equal, the drone regions suck more now than they ever did after this patch. Putting them further out of line with the rest of the universe as a whole anyway.
I think null, specifically overall resource distribution and unique resources, should be unevenly distributed throughout null to give each region it's own unique characteristics. In this way space carries different value and that perceived value can drive conflict. Say for instance you had one or two regions of space that have a higher truesec (making it less attractive to ratters) but maybe those rats are the only ones that drop component "X"... and component "X" is required to make a certain module... say a anti-cloaking pulse. Now that this region of space is the exclusive region to get this critical component, it might be worth taking over. Now lets say all regions have a unique resource. Every time any balance change is made, the relative "value" of null space changes. This can drive conflict and prevent "static" alliances... I think it's part of the reason why so many have lost interest in treating null as the super serial game it should be. That's just one example of many many good ones I've read for making null less "even". tl;dr; if you are trying to appeal to me to make the Drone regions more like other space you should know we are not on the same side of this issue. Try selling some "Augmented" drones. They are certainly worth something...
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March rabbit
Trojan Trolls
Red Alliance
155
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:16:00 -
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Deathwing Reborn wrote:To the OP, they are not making everything equal, the drone regions suck more now than they ever did after this patch. Putting them further out of line with the rest of the universe as a whole anyway.
well. xDEATHx already left those regions so CCP can do with them everything they want 
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CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
1224
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Posted - 2012.04.23 16:04:00 -
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I had a bit of spare time in between deployment-related activities, so I sorted out an extended version of the image in the blog to illustrate exactly why we decided to make this change:
HERE IS A LINK |
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Bane Necran
353
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Posted - 2012.04.23 16:12:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe.
And you only noticed now that the people who were there for years are gone and new alliances are moving in? I hope you'll excuse me for not believing that's a coincidence. This comes after drones getting bounties, also.
How many devs happen to have characters in these new alliances which are taking over the drone regions?
That brittle rage, the bitter rubble, take your time and bring the trouble. |
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CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
1196
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Posted - 2012.04.23 16:17:00 -
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Trolling replies removed. Please stay on topic.
CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
672
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Posted - 2012.04.23 16:24:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe. And you only noticed now that the people who were there for years are gone and new alliances are moving in? I hope you'll excuse me for not believing that's a coincidence. This comes after drones getting bounties, also. How many devs happen to have characters in these new alliances which are taking over the drone regions?
Its a conspiracy, CCP Greyscale blatantly plays a mage and is buffing them because he hates warlocks.
Wait... What?
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Lili Lu
203
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Posted - 2012.04.23 17:43:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe.
OK, golf clap. So you finally got around to removing the mineral dump in drone alloys, and decided to add bounties to rogue drones.
While at that change, you moved very fast to balance drone regions sec modifiers to approximate that of other regions. But you have not provided any new officer or faction bonuses to rogue drones with which also to balance the rewards to those in other regions. Do you not see a problem with this? Result, drone regions still crap, only now for a different set of reasons.
And yeah, if you are so immediately concerned with regional balance we're still waiting for you to fix the ****-up of most-valuable technetium moon concetration after you nerfed the former evenly-distributed high-end most-valuable moon paradigm. |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
302
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Posted - 2012.04.23 17:50:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Gogela wrote:from the escalation patchnotes...Quote:Worldshaping
The security status of systems in Etherium Reach, Malpais, Oasa, Outer Passage, Perrigen Falls, The Kalvela Expanse and the Spire has been adjusted upwards to bring them more into line with the rest of nullsec. I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another? This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe.
what like one could claim about tech in the north?
PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
1225
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:03:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Gogela wrote:from the escalation patchnotes...Quote:Worldshaping
The security status of systems in Etherium Reach, Malpais, Oasa, Outer Passage, Perrigen Falls, The Kalvela Expanse and the Spire has been adjusted upwards to bring them more into line with the rest of nullsec. I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another? This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe. what like one could claim about tech in the north?
Yup. |
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Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
444
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:10:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:MeBiatch wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Gogela wrote:from the escalation patchnotes...Quote:Worldshaping
The security status of systems in Etherium Reach, Malpais, Oasa, Outer Passage, Perrigen Falls, The Kalvela Expanse and the Spire has been adjusted upwards to bring them more into line with the rest of nullsec. I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another? This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe. what like one could claim about tech in the north? Yup.
Better cash in now. A storm is brewing.
Who needs television when you have EVE?
EVE drama, best drama. |
Buck Futz
Suddenly Violence
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
56
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:36:00 -
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But I dont WANT Eve to be more gay friendly.  |
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
240
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:40:00 -
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How did you get the headphones on your avatar pic? is it a new NEX item? |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
492
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:40:00 -
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IBT
"Already Gay Enough"
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Lili Lu
203
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:52:00 -
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Miilla wrote:How did you get the headphones on your avatar pic? is it a new NEX item?
o/ Miilla
No, they come from the lp store when doing missions for rouge drones in their NPC space. Maybe if I had done missions for the rogue drone agents instead I would have went for the super-duper Domi with clutching claws. That thing makes the Mach look like a noobship (we can dream). |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
183
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:16:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Gogela wrote:from the escalation patchnotes...Quote:Worldshaping
The security status of systems in Etherium Reach, Malpais, Oasa, Outer Passage, Perrigen Falls, The Kalvela Expanse and the Spire has been adjusted upwards to bring them more into line with the rest of nullsec. I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another? This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe.
To elaborate on why CCP felt this was necessary, much of the drone regions are very, very low truesec, -.7 to -1 in many cases. This means that ABC as well as mercoxit spawns pretty much throughout the whole area. Now that mining is a "thing" they want to be sure that drone regions aren't abnormally good in that regard.
Of course, unless they slip in a stealth change, drone rats are abnormally bad now, since they don't drop any loot (meta 1-4 and metal scraps included), their faction spawns are junk, they have no officer spawns, and what few plexes they have from exploration are also junk. But that's a topic for another discussion. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:22:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:MeBiatch wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Gogela wrote:from the escalation patchnotes...I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another? This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe. what like one could claim about tech in the north? Yup. Better cash in now. A storm is brewing.
Don't be stupid.
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
204
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:27:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:MeBiatch wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe. what like one could claim about tech in the north? Yup.
Bring it.
Finally the pubbies will have to find something else to complain about, than Goons controlling all the Tech moons.
You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:28:00 -
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Gogela wrote:
I think null, specifically overall resource distribution and unique resources, should be unevenly distributed throughout null to give each region it's own unique characteristics. In this way space carries different value and that perceived value can drive conflict. Say for instance you had one or two regions of space that have a higher truesec (making it less attractive to ratters) but maybe those rats are the only ones that drop component "X"... and component "X" is required to make a certain module... say a anti-cloaking pulse. Now that this region of space is the exclusive region to get this critical component, it might be worth taking over. Now lets say all regions have a unique resource.
On the other hand this makes industry in 0.0 impossible without jump freighters which is breaking game in another aspct.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3453
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:31:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:MeBiatch wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe. what like one could claim about tech in the north? Yup. Bring it. Finally the pubbies will have to find something else to complain about, than Goons controlling all the Tech moons.
It'sll still be "CCP FIX THE BLANK BLANK THAT GOONS BLANK NOW"
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
204
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:36:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:MeBiatch wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe. what like one could claim about tech in the north? Yup. Bring it. Finally the pubbies will have to find something else to complain about, than Goons controlling all the Tech moons. It'sll still be "CCP FIX THE BLANK BLANK THAT GOONS BLANK NOW"
You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
644
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:04:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Gogela wrote:
I think null, specifically overall resource distribution and unique resources, should be unevenly distributed throughout null to give each region it's own unique characteristics. In this way space carries different value and that perceived value can drive conflict. Say for instance you had one or two regions of space that have a higher truesec (making it less attractive to ratters) but maybe those rats are the only ones that drop component "X"... and component "X" is required to make a certain module... say a anti-cloaking pulse. Now that this region of space is the exclusive region to get this critical component, it might be worth taking over. Now lets say all regions have a unique resource.
On the other hand this makes industry in 0.0 impossible without jump freighters which is breaking game in another aspct.
Back in the day there were things called "convoys" that included regular freighters... and those "convoys" typically had something called "escorts" with them that would act to defend the freighters. Additionally, sometimes in advance of these "convoys" there would be something called a "scout" that would watch out for bad guys. I know these elements have been missing for a looooong time... but I think it would interesting to see them come back.
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