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Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.07.12 08:52:00 -
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The slavers of Providence yesterday assaulted an outpost in I-NG, Immensea, owned by The Initiative alliance.
Ushra'Khan handed ownership of all stations in Immensea to The Initiative 24 hours previously, and The Initiative had been busy repping shields all day before this senseless assault on their property. Various ownership maps on GalNet clearly showed the stations to be in The Initiative's hands, yet the CVA apparently left thinking they had assaulted Ushra'Khan property.
This unprovoked attack led to an angry reaction by forces from AAA and ATLAS alliances, who destroyed the CVA fleet in the 2J system.
Although Ushra'Khan and The Initiative were on very good terms before the incident, they had no plans before this for operating jointly together against the slavers of Providence. Since this assault took place, U'K have plegded combat support to The Initiative for both retaliatory and defensive actions against the Providence Slaverbloc. This support has been accepted.
Ushra'Khan condemns this senseless violence outside of Amarrian influence, it shows the slavers for who they really are. Shame on you, CVA.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.12 09:05:00 -
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CVA have long claimed that they have no ambition or interest in space outside of Providence and the "operation deliverance" combat area. Obviously this was a lie, and it is troubling that they would want to extend their slave built empire further into free space. |
Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.12 09:31:00 -
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What nonsense.
It is quite clear that The Initiative had already done a deal with the terrorists in Ushra'Khan and their -A- / Atlas masters.
CVA had noted with concern that Ushra'Khan had used the collapse of Aggression alliance to sieze a number of stations in the Immensea area and as a result we decided to organise a punitive raid to punish the terrorists and demonstrate that we will not let anarchist rabble raid Holy Amarrian space without retaliation.
However, in between the time we organised the operation and it getting underway, we discovered that Ushra'Khan had handed the stations they had taken to The Initiative.
The Initiative. is an alliance which had already been set red for piracy against inncocent residents of Holy Amarrian Providence. As it was clear that they were working hand in hand with the terrorists we decided that we would demonstrate what happens to those who support terrorism and within a short time had captured the I-NG station which was given an appropriate name.
We have no real 'territorial' ambition in the Immensea area - but we will not stand by and let it be used as a base for Minmatar terrorism. We call on The Initiative. to end their association with the Minmatar rebels and evict them from their new space. By doing so they can ensure that CVA and our loyal Holders will no longer feel the need to patrol that area to protect against the cowardly terrorists
Following our capture of the station the Holy Amarrian fleet left the system and headed back towards Providence. Enroute we were intercepted by a combined fleet of -A- and allies. Initially the fight went very well and we were on the point of victory having destroyed over 60 enemy battleships when Atlas joined the fight with capitals and 60 heavy assault cruisers bring total enemy numbers in the system to over 200. This reinforcement tipped the balance decisively in our enemy's favour but the remnants of our fleet withdrew in good order after inflicting significant damage.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.12 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin innocent residents of Holy Amarrian Providence
There is no such thing.
Originally by: Hardin we decided that we would demonstrate what happens to those who support terrorism
That statement is just dripping with hypocrisy.
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Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.07.12 09:43:00 -
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Propaganda, once more, from this evil slave master!
A senior CVA member informed an ISD reporter they had shot an 'Ushra'Khan station', so it seems not all within your alliance are as 'wise' as you, Hardin. And even so, if you did believe it was an Initiaitve station, surely it would have been wiser to engage them in dialogue than come in with all guns blazing in a wholly unprovoked attack?
Or is the 'Amarrian way' to shoot first and ask questions later? Shame on you!
As for your numbers, once again the spin machine is in overdrive. But I shall not be drawn into such petty to-and-fro on Galnet - public kill records of both the AAA and ATLAS alliances should suffice to those who are curious.
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.12 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Academy CEO Propaganda, once more, from this evil slave master!
A senior CVA member informed an ISD reporter they had shot an 'Ushra'Khan station', so it seems not all within your alliance are as 'wise' as you, Hardin. And even so, if you did believe it was an Initiaitve station, surely it would have been wiser to engage them in dialogue than come in with all guns blazing in a wholly unprovoked attack?
Or is the 'Amarrian way' to shoot first and ask questions later? Shame on you!
As for your numbers, once again the spin machine is in overdrive. But I shall not be drawn into such petty to-and-fro on Galnet - public kill records of both the AAA and ATLAS alliances should suffice to those who are curious.
I have no idea why the ISD reporter was informed it was a UK station. It had been a UK station 24hours before. As for the kill numbers I would suggest you talk to the -A- fleet commander who confirmed over 60 battleship losses on another communications network.
Quote: Loike: As Hardin mentioned, it was nowhere even close to the one sidedness it often is. As the CVA boards show, we lost around 60 battleships. The AAA board shows around 50 battleship kills.
I would suggest that any neutral viewing this should make up their own mind about who is a reliable source. Someone who directly quotes an enemy and has a long established reputation for honesty and fair dealing - or someone who belongs to the most renowned forum whoring corp in the galaxy and ship mate of Butter Dog?
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Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.07.12 09:56:00 -
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If the public kill records of AAA or ATLAS alliance are not correct, then indeed that should be taken into consideration. Let us not however be drawn into the petty numbers debate, it is hardly important. CVA fought well, though you did not hold the field.
The more pressing issue is the use of gunboat diplomacy outside of Amarrian influence. This is nothing less than shameful.
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.12 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 12/07/2009 10:02:33
With regards to public kill records the fact is that so many different parties were involved that any killboard taken in isolation will present an erroneous image. I simply stated that we killed around 60 battleships. That statement has been confirmed by the -A- fleet commander. Are you accusing him of being a liar?
Originally by: Academy CEO
The more pressing issue is the use of gunboat diplomacy outside of Amarrian influence. This is nothing less than shameful.
Nowhere is outside Amarrian influence. While Operation Deliverance is focused on Providence, low-Sec Amarrian space and parts of Catch our ultimate goal is for the entire galaxy to eventually come under the umbrella of benevolent and informed Amarrian protection.
Similarly there is no hiding place for terrorists. -A-, Atlas and your new friends in Initiative should harbour no doubts that while they allow terorists to use their space to attack Amarrian interests they will be classified as enemies of Amarr and thus open to attack.
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MILK Monk
Knights of the Silver Dawn Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.12 10:20:00 -
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when terrorists say repeatedly something about shame... it sounds like thief shouting at others "Catch the tief!" __________________________________ I do it myyyy wayyyy... Milky Way. |
Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.07.12 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
I simply stated that we killed around 60 battleships. That statement has been confirmed by the -A- fleet commander. Are you accusing him of being a liar?
On the contrary, I have been trying to avoid the dreaded 'numbers debate', we all know where that leads - and instead simply stated that curious pilots can use public records of the involved parties, meaning we are spared from discussing numbers or the intricacies of a fight on here. I believe this is a more constructive approach.
Originally by: Hardin
Nowhere is outside Amarrian influence.
This is a new stance from the CVA, is it not? Surely your interests would have been better served, by opening a dialouge with the new residents of Immensea.
You make a lot of assumptions about terrorism and their relationship with the Ushra'Khan. In reality, did you even know the arrangement by which the stations were transferred to them? Did you know for certain it was peaceful? I would suggest not, but you went in with guns blazing regardless.
Like most Amarrians, you make too many assumptions, which stems your races arrogance no doubt. But fear not, you will find freedom at the end of our autocannons!
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.12 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Academy CEO
This is a new stance from the CVA, is it not? Surely your interests would have been better served, by opening a dialouge with the new residents of Immensea.
It is not a new stance. Maybe you have not heard it before but I assure you that if you dig back through my historical CVA pronouncements you will find it.
As for your second point - maybe. It is hard to know in these cases. The fact remains however that they were already working with terrorists and they were already red to us for piratical actions in Providence. If they were really interested in good relations they also had the option to open a dialogue.
The Initiative. now realise how serious we are in our anti terrorist approach and what kind of force we can bring to bear. Maybe this will make them realise the folly of allying with terrorists...
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Maximillian Nullium
New Eden Sheep Cloning Labs CERBERUS INDUSTRIAL ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2009.07.12 10:54:00 -
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If god is with us, Who can be against us? Why our are people of amarr so hated in the hearts of the nonbelievers? God smiled upon us and lead us to salvation and to a promised land of beauty and greatness. We must lead by example and punish the infidels that trespass in our land and want to defile our god. Providence is such a beautiful place and smiled upon by god. We are rightfully owed slaves as they should bring the people of god true wealth. Those unpure minmatars can watch from our pure example at our feet and maybe understand why god loves us so. If god is with us, Who can be against us?
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.12 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Maximillian Nullium If ...
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Equinox Daedalus
Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.12 11:07:00 -
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I do find it amusing that Ushra Kloak are so worried about cva "taking" more of thier outposts they quickly handed it over to another alliance just to make sure that they wouldn't have it happen.
Tragically Holy Amarrian Providence is in thier heads, and fear is in thier hearts. Worry not UK, we come for your peoples soon enough.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.12 11:22:00 -
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How could assaulting a force that has a good relationship with terrorists ever constitute an "unprovoked" assault?
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MILK Monk
Knights of the Silver Dawn Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.12 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri How could assaulting a force that has a good relationship with terrorists ever constitute an "unprovoked" assault?
Of course, it is nosence spread by terrorists and their loyalists. "Preventive" is correct. __________________________________ I do it myyyy wayyyy... Milky Way. |
Ugleb
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.12 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
CVA had noted with concern that Ushra'Khan had used the collapse of Aggression alliance to sieze a number of stations in the Immensea area and as a result we decided to organise a punitive raid to punish the terrorists and demonstrate that we will not let anarchist rabble raid Holy Amarrian space without retaliation.
We stepped in to secure a rapidly destabilising allied region until order could be properly restored. Afterall, just because the capsuleers running the place were deparing, there were many thousands of colonists now left unprotected in an increasingly volatile deep space region plagued by the Angel Cartel.
While there we made sure to inspect all facilities for any evidence of slave trading being conducted. Finding no clear signs of such activity in the former Aggression holdings, we handed control of all facilities over to the incoming residents of The Initiative.
As for 'nowhere being beyond Amrrian influence', well, what less does anyone expect from an Amarrian?
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Jonathan Ryaul
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.12 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Equinox Daedalus I do find it amusing that Ushra Kloak are so worried about cva "taking" more of thier outposts they quickly handed it over to another alliance just to make sure that they wouldn't have it happen.
Is jumping to wild assumptions part of the teachings, or just something you've cultivated personally?
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.12 12:08:00 -
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CVA, I find it comical that you feel that our relationship with The Initiative was a strong bond before your unwarranted attack. CVA's diplomacy and intelligence seems to be sorely lacking these past months.
The initiative and u'k had a common understanding and a temporary blue status, subject to review in the coming weeks. Following on from this attack by CVA and a continuing attack by a skirmish force from Libertas Fidelitas later that same evening, we are now in discussions about how we can deal with the aggressors in the Providence bloc moving forwards.
I would like to thank CVA for a great piece of diplomacy. Honestly, you've made my job far easier by showing your true colours straight away.
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Equinox Daedalus
Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.12 12:28:00 -
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Jonathan,
I'd hardly say such. Just years of fighting against the fearful. I'm amused by the fact that its UK slaves crying here initally rather then those who have been shot at by cva. If the Initiative which to have diplomatic talks with CVA i'm sure we would always be open to such items.
Clearly my point remains that every UK pilot has this small, worrysome itch in the back of thier head everytime the see a CVA pilot in local. Call it whatever you like, but fear it will be.
As for Sapphrine's comments:
We never assumed as much. There never was much mention as to your and thier relationship, besides the fact that they seemed to have only a few shots fired against you. However since it does seem that you and they are in a temporary agreement it doesn't seem to be much more different than we thought.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.07.12 12:44:00 -
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I would be interested also just for comedy value how much isk was lost in the process of transfering stations. As we know Ushras are not peace loving free asset redistibution people so The Initiative had to pay some couple of bilions for the stations and now i can imagine they are without those stations and also without money.
So the irony is great indeed. They made deals with terrorists and now they are homless and without money.
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Saihras
Gallente The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.07.12 12:45:00 -
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Known terrorist and pirates trying to lie and spin the truth so the good people of providence look like the bad guys.
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Mattduk
Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.12 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Equinox Daedalus As for Sapphrine's comments:
We never assumed as much. There never was much mention as to yours and thier relationship, besides the fact that they seemed to have only a few shots fired against you. However since it does seem that you and they are in a temporary agreement it doesn't seem to be much more different than we thought.
Easy to say after the fact that which you 'thought' to be correct as being so.
As a matter of fact, free of presumption and conjecture, our relationship with The Initiative was remarkably fresh. Thanks to our natural enemy a new ally is born.
Cheers.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.12 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nur AlHuda I would be interested also just for comedy value how much isk was lost in the process of transfering stations. As we know Ushras are not peace loving free asset redistibution people so The Initiative had to pay some couple of bilions for the stations and now i can imagine they are without those stations and also without money.
So the irony is great indeed. They made deals with terrorists and now they are homless and without money.
I'm sorry but what?! I'd imagine little to no isk of any consequence has been lost by anyone. Tbh the only noteable loss occured when the CVA fleet was engaged and that ended up with CVA having to withdraw so I think we can draw a line there.
You seem to be labouring under a delusion that Initiative are out of pocket / without space...
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Amandi Casimi
Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.12 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
I'm sorry but what?! I'd imagine little to no isk of any consequence has been lost by anyone. Tbh the only noteable loss occured when the CVA fleet was engaged and that ended up with CVA having to withdraw so I think we can draw a line there.
You seem to be labouring under a delusion that Initiative are out of pocket / without space...
I find it comical here that the slaves themselves could not muster up any resistance to our fleet, but rather they had to call upon their masters to do so. -------------------------
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Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.07.12 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Amandi Casimi
I find it comical here that the slaves themselves could not muster up any resistance to our fleet, but rather they had to call upon their masters to do so.
Shouldn't you be directing this at The Initiative? It was their assets you shot.
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Arakidias
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.12 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Amandi Casimi
I find it comical here that the slaves themselves could not muster up any resistance to our fleet, but rather they had to call upon their masters to do so.
That is, after all, why they are slaves.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.12 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Amandi Casimi
I find it comical here that the slaves themselves could not muster up any resistance to our fleet, but rather they had to call upon their masters to do so.
The only thing comical here is the desparate grasping of straws for a reason to say "Amarr Victor". I hope the Empress chastises you thoroughly for your failure.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.12 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Amandi Casimi
I find it comical here that the slaves themselves could not muster up any resistance to our fleet, but rather they had to call upon their masters to do so.
I find it equally comical that from this thread and certain people in it claim that victory is when ushra'khan dont defeat a pre-planned fleet from a major powerblock alone, but instead join forces with the targets of the attack and some long standing allies.
Still, take your "victories" where you can fleshmerchants, im certainly looking forward for another chance to open some more slaver pods to space.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.12 17:06:00 -
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It is more amusing that you think we HAD to do anything. You didn't come to attack us, you attacked The Initiative. We had a couple pilots involved in the fight because they were there but as far as I can tell, u'k's actual involvement was minimal. Suprisingly enough we had better things to do than attempt to be prescient to predict that CVA will attack an unaligned entity because they might possibly have standings to u'k but you can't really be sure.
CVA would do well to just admit they screwed up this time and move forwards. This appauling self justification is just embarassing to watch.
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