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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1367
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Posted - 2012.07.04 19:55:00 -
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You hear it all the time. "Post with your main". I know I do, and I have good reasons for doing so. The main one is building an "e-Personality". People know who I am, what I think, and what to expect from me -- and if they don't, it's easy to find out. It's also to help friends join discussions that are ongoing. "Check this out, I am actually Alt AbcXyz here" just seems like the wrong way to go about things. Plus, alts are not taken as seriously, even if their contribution to the discussion is perfectly valid.
So, with that in mind, I would like to ask: Why do you alt post? Or, if you main-post, why do you think others alt post?
Is it paranoia? Or, in more nasty terms, cowardice? Is in-game retribution for forum actions really that prevalent? Is the risk of some people not liking you that high? Or is it something else?
Discuss. (Sorry, couldn't help myself) Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
160
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Posted - 2012.07.04 19:58:00 -
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I always main post unless I've been banned (or was too stupid to remember the password for my main account). |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1150
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Posted - 2012.07.04 19:58:00 -
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I post on my main. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Alara IonStorm
2556
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:02:00 -
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I know of lots of good posters who post on an alt that isn't there name. They have e-personalities that don't translate into the game itself.
Alara is my main and only and I like the name so I never made a forum alt.
I guess some people are worried about E-Vengeance and others don't want to be bothered. |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:04:00 -
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CEO rules. Does not want unnecessary attention drawn to the corp.
I'm sure there a plenty of others that post for anonymity, high profile people Sewell. Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
Price Check Aisle3
142
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:07:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:I always main post unless I've been banned
- Karl Hobb IATS |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1367
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:09:00 -
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hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:CEO rules. Does not want unnecessary attention drawn to the corp.
I'm sure there a plenty of others that post for anonymity, high profile people Sewell. I can't come up with an instance where a post would draw bad attention to a corp would be a post that needs posting at all.
Heh... I wonder if Chribba alt posts. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4224
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:10:00 -
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If it's not worth posting on your main, it's not worth posting. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
110
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:12:00 -
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ITT: people who reply to the title instead of the post.
Reasons to alt-post:
1. Protecting the pretense: you want to expound on matters outside your experience without being called on it. People can say "post with your main", or mock the contribution of an NPC corp member, but you imagine that people reckon you could know what you're talking about. This might feel good even though it lacks all the advantages of main-posting.
2. Being two-faced: you want to **** on your allies or your alliance without having them dislike the 'real you' for it.
3. Breaking rules: you want to **** on your enemies even after your leadership has told you to shut up, specifically or generally.
4. It's not paranoia when they really are that vindictive: you're a member of a small industrial corp, you have a POS and newbies out mining, you want to **** on the leadership of vast space empires without having their death squads very plausibly sent your way. |
T' Elk
Happy Little Spaceships
472
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:14:00 -
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lyke dis if u never 4get
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ // Inferno Came. It was meh. // The Beard is Back, Ladies and Gents! |
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Blobber NL
The Ultima Thule
98
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:14:00 -
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always post whit my main.
awsome isn't it? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1150
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:18:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:ITT: people who reply to the title instead of the post. We just like tot ell people to post on their main because we know they won't. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
killorbekilled TBE
Dare Bears
108
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:23:00 -
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i always post with my main ive got nothing to hide
what ? come at me TrollorbeTrolled |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
252
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:23:00 -
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People alt-post because they're worried about me running locator agents on them after they shitpoast
Obviously There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1367
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:24:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:ITT: people who reply to the title instead of the post.
Reasons to alt-post:
1. Protecting the pretense: you want to expound on matters outside your experience without being called on it. People can say "post with your main", or mock the contribution of an NPC corp member, but you imagine that people reckon you could know what you're talking about. This might feel good even though it lacks all the advantages of main-posting.
2. Being two-faced: you want to **** on your allies or your alliance without having them dislike the 'real you' for it.
3. Breaking rules: you want to **** on your enemies even after your leadership has told you to shut up, specifically or generally.
4. It's not paranoia when they really are that vindictive: you're a member of a small industrial corp, you have a POS and newbies out mining, you want to **** on the leadership of vast space empires without having their death squads very plausibly sent your way. Thanks for not responding to the title.
- I can sort of see it, but not really. I post about things I have no expertise in (e.g. capital ship mechanics), but I do preface it with that I have no idea what I'm talking about. If it's a real discussion, the views of people who don't necessarily already have it beaten to death should be welcome.
- I have critically posted about Ushra'Khan before, and I considered alt-posting, but then the message wouldn't have the same gravity. "Oh no, a NPC alt thinks our alliance is going to hell in a handbasket!" Again, I can sort of understand it, but not really.
- This I can see, but it sort of defeats the point of #2 again. If anything, it can boost the enemy's morale: "Haha, they're being silenced because they're such blurfing idiots". I have been the one laughing like that, I know.
- Not to turn this into a discussion of Goonswarm's "death squads", but does this actually happen? I haven't heard of a real instance of it happening, only people worried about it (and blurfing using an alt about how it's terrible).
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1704
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:31:00 -
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whats alt posting?
"You were the chosen one Anakin, you were supposed to bring order to the galaxy, not destroy it!" -Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobi -á |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4042
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:32:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:CEO rules. Does not want unnecessary attention drawn to the corp.
I'm sure there a plenty of others that post for anonymity, high profile people Sewell. I can't come up with an instance where a post would draw bad attention to a corp would be a post that needs posting at all. Heh... I wonder if Chribba alt posts. Yes, but only in CAOD because CCP prohibited corps with less than 10 pilots. So I have to use an alt that has a corp with more pilots (Refia).
/c
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
418
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:32:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:I would like to ask: [b]Why do you alt post?
To collect tears and rage and, as you already noticed, it works perfectly for both. Pidgeons will alway be pidgeons. brb |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
755
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:33:00 -
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If its a proper conversation I want to join in with I'll post with Cutter, which is 99% of the time, the only time I've posted with an alt lately was in an ugly avatar thread. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Alara IonStorm
2556
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:37:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote: I have critically posted about Ushra'Khan before, and I considered alt-posting, but then the message wouldn't have the same gravity. "Oh no, a NPC alt thinks our alliance is going to hell in a handbasket!" Again, I can sort of understand it, but not really.
Well if you love the corp, maybe not close friends with everyone and you know them but your leader is a vindictive jerk who will kick you...
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Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
802
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:41:00 -
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I filled all of my character slots, and tend to post on which ever is logged in the forums. This character still has a real use and tends to get killed in low/null sec |
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
197
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:41:00 -
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my main suffers from severe social anxiety The Order of the Falcon or Hin +¡slenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:48:00 -
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Lesser beings are not worthy to glare upon my holiness, I use this avatar to speak to the unholy. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
325
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:50:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote: Not to turn this into a discussion of Goonswarm's "death squads", but does this actually happen? I haven't heard of a real instance of it happening, only people worried about it (and blurfing using an alt about how it's terrible).
I doubt this happens, really. Goonswarm and other 0.0 alliances frankly don't care what you think of them, and they aren't going to get mad if you call them evil blobbers, devil spawn, or whatever creative (or not) insult you can come up with. We've heard it all before. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window. (Link was wrong, now fixed) |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
802
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:51:00 -
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Solhild wrote:I filled all of my character slots, and tend to post on which ever is logged in the forums. This character still has a real use and tends to get killed in low/null sec
... Forgot to mention; in true alpha-clone style, mostly flies a reaper - the most terribad ship model in game |
Freezehunter
200
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:10:00 -
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I always main post. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
110
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:12:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I doubt this happens, really. Goonswarm and other 0.0 alliances frankly don't care what you think of them, and they aren't going to get mad if you call them evil blobbers, devil spawn, or whatever creative (or not) insult you can come up with. We've heard it all before.
Goons? Most other 0.0 alliances? Sure. Although the OP should be painfully aware of a wardec that Jade Constantine received. And I wouldn't doubt any level of utterly humorless vindictiveness from TEST. But if you're a small industrial corp with a POS and some newbies, it doesn't take a "Death Squad" program for someone to suddenly make the game exciting for you; 'one annoyed guy' might be enough.
But my main reply to Petrus is just: sure, :effort: is competitive with alt-posting. Effort at being fair in your criticism, effort at framing your "lasers suck!" post as coming from the perspective of someone who's lost five Punishers to Rifters and is unhappy with his chances. Which just establishes a fifth reason to alt-post: it's easier. And also, again: it's safer - because even if you put the effort in, you can fail. You can fail to emphasize that your experience is with Punishers and Omens because you don't know that other laser boats are famously good; you can attempt mild criticism and be seen as someone who's just publicly shitting on his own alliance.
I'd prefer good posting to two-facedness and pretentiousness, but two-faced and pretentious people really exist. I'm sure they make good use of alts. |
The Protato
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:26:00 -
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Main is banned, forum alt is banned. I Alt-alt post, mosuckra. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
New Eden Regimental Marines Rebel Alliance of New Eden
107
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:27:00 -
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Im proud of the fact I dont alt post, that people know me, Ive even had people follow me around for various reasons in game over the years. Im on good terms with many alts from many different areas of the game, some mains and other in game personas as well. I enjoy that portion of the game tbh that you CAN get some idiot try to grief you. It makes Eve exciting and challenging especially the way I play it by not pulling punches and being myself irregardless of the circumstances nevermind the ease you can just hide due to the internet.
And here Id have to agree with Malcanis.... if its worth posting, post it with a main. Accept the flak, flames and consequences. Cuz if youve spent any time in Eve and you cannot deal with all that by now....... oh boy!! Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |
Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
100
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:35:00 -
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Don't really have a main I don't identify with any character I've made or bought and tend to swap trade them all over the place. |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
418
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:48:00 -
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I like the way some are frustrated by the fact it's an alt posting, rage and tears collection: OP success brb |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
949
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:50:00 -
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The only time I posted with my alt (it is on the same account, I only have one) was when I first made him and couldn't figure out how to switch posting character |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1367
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:54:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:I like the way some are frustrated by the fact it's an alt posting, rage and tears collection: OP success I like it how you need the self-validation of posting this multiple times. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Muhammad Hassan
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:56:00 -
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Because some nimrod banned me for a month after he got patootiepained/rumpravaged. |
Muhammad Hassan
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:56:00 -
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fuckin infidels |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
418
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:03:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:I like the way some are frustrated by the fact it's an alt posting, rage and tears collection: OP success I like it how you need the self-validation of posting this multiple times.
And I love how that gets all your attention, don't feel frustrated for internet stuff Dude. Op success brb |
Bobo Cindekela
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:25:00 -
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alt posting is for being inflammatory without blow back to your main+mains corp. Some people can hold a grudge way to long, or get bent for just a few misconstrued words, it is 2012 afterall
you can also use them to ask sensitive questions without target painting your main You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,-á this is your final warning. |
Acot Voth
State War Academy Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:35:00 -
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Main here. I think people alt for a few reasons. Fear, trolling, reputation preservation. |
Tore Vest
304
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:49:00 -
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Alt here.... I use my main to mine veldspar in highsec No troll. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
471
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:51:00 -
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I always main-post unless that character is sleeping off a forums-ban. Both toons are a different side of my "e-personality," Tarryn is generally calmer, more overtly rational, and less prone to emotive arguments/verbally chainsawing people in their meat-holes (hence the aforesaid bans) , whereas The Other, she don't give a ****!
But then, handsome Tarryn here isn't really an "alt" in the traditional sense (I play him now much more than my "co-main," and have for a while), so that aspect's also become a bit more nebulous.
Oh, and good sock-puppetry, it's an art-form! In irae, veritas. |
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George Whitebread
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:53:00 -
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I have no alts. All my characters are my main character.
Besides, when discussing on a forum, people should reply to the post/argument - not the avatar. It's the same RL person behind my arguments no matter what character I'm posting with anyway. "I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say" - George Whitebread |
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions Solid Foundation
174
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:07:00 -
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Because Jade Constantine and Issler Whatever got wardecked.
But seriously, mainly it's for ****-posting. Whenever someone wants to say something that they know will be really unpopular and they don't want it to reflect badly on their main character. Or when they just want to drop the N-word a lot. I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544 |
Zoe Athame
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
93
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:12:00 -
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I pretend this is my main so people don't know I'm a goon alt. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1225
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:15:00 -
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this is an alt
one that I actually use, but an alt nonetheless a rogue goon |
George Whitebread
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:19:00 -
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Wolodymyr wrote:Whenever someone wants to say something that they know will be really unpopular and they don't want it to reflect badly on their main character.
Sadly, this is the case for many forumers I'm afraid. Hiding behind an Internet avatar instead of posting as themselves. Quite pathetic actually... I guess it takes one to know one. With people being so skeptical about others posting with alts I mean...
"I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say" - George Whitebread |
Garresh
Opposite of Low
8
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:22:00 -
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I main post pretty much all the time atm, but there was a time I alt-posted heavily, and I'll explain why.
I ran a solo w-space operation after just 6 months of first playing eve. I did have some allies, but not the kind with the skills or time to respond to any sort of offensive or invasion. Simply put, giving out my info on a character tied to my main would very likely be a death sentence, especially because the system I was in had fairly high value in today's market.
Furthermore, I do a lot of solo stuff and have pretty much made my entire post-wspace eve career in lowsec, as a solo player. When I'm discussing my tactics and strategy in depth, I alt post. It's just a security matter. |
ashley Eoner
21
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:58:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:You hear it all the time. "Post with your main". I know I do, and I have good reasons for doing so. The main one is building an "e-Personality". People know who I am, what I think, and what to expect from me -- and if they don't, it's easy to find out. It's also to help friends join discussions that are ongoing. "Check this out, I am actually Alt AbcXyz here" just seems like the wrong way to go about things. Plus, alts are not taken as seriously, even if their contribution to the discussion is perfectly valid.
So, with that in mind, I would like to ask: Why do you alt post? Or, if you main-post, why do you think others alt post?
Is it paranoia? Or, in more nasty terms, cowardice? Is in-game retribution for forum actions really that prevalent? Is the risk of some people not liking you that high? Or is it something else?
Discuss. (Sorry, couldn't help myself) Sometimes people labeled as "atls" really are mains... |
TheoS113nc3r
1Oth Legion Fretensis
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 00:16:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:CEO rules. Does not want unnecessary attention drawn to the corp.
I'm sure there a plenty of others that post for anonymity, high profile people Sewell. I can't come up with an instance where a post would draw bad attention to a corp would be a post that needs posting at all. Heh... I wonder if Chribba alt posts.
I think Chribba is a goon alt. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.07.05 00:25:00 -
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Alt posting is disgusting. |
Grandpa Bill
Twin Lakes Retirement Home
257
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Posted - 2012.07.05 00:27:00 -
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Dont have any alts seein that the nursing home hardly lets me have much money on my card to have one account as it is. Enter in -áGrandpa Bill's Offical Raffle/ -áhttp://everaffle.blogspot.com/ |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
461
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Posted - 2012.07.05 00:32:00 -
[51] - Quote
ad hominem...
thats why PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2582
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Posted - 2012.07.05 00:49:00 -
[52] - Quote
Kuehnelt wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I doubt this happens, really. Goonswarm and other 0.0 alliances frankly don't care what you think of them, and they aren't going to get mad if you call them evil blobbers, devil spawn, or whatever creative (or not) insult you can come up with. We've heard it all before. Goons? Most other 0.0 alliances? Sure. Although the OP should be painfully aware of a wardec that Jade Constantine received. And I wouldn't doubt any level of utterly humorless vindictiveness from TEST. But if you're a small industrial corp with a POS and some newbies, it doesn't take a "Death Squad" program for someone to suddenly make the game exciting for you; 'one annoyed guy' might be enough. But my main reply to Petrus is just: sure, :effort: is competitive with alt-posting. Effort at being fair in your criticism, effort at framing your "lasers suck!" post as coming from the perspective of someone who's lost five Punishers to Rifters and is unhappy with his chances. Which just establishes a fifth reason to alt-post: it's easier. And also, again: it's safer - because even if you put the effort in, you can fail. You can fail to emphasize that your experience is with Punishers and Omens because you don't know that other laser boats are famously good; you can attempt mild criticism and be seen as someone who's just publicly shitting on his own alliance. I'd prefer good posting to two-facedness and pretentiousness, but two-faced and pretentious people really exist. I'm sure they make good use of alts.
Well the social consequence of a wardec from the Goons for being an enemy of their organization does exist. Its just a bit of a shame that the social consequences of being an unpopular large alliance no longer lead to plenty of defensive allies through the Inferno 1.0 wardec system.
I received perma-war from the Swarm for basically being their most hated player in the game bar none (mostly for not being impressed by Mittani's fanfest antics). Lucky for me my alliance has been in a constant state of war since its inception and my first instinct on receiving the dec was to make it mutual and lock them into an eternal war with hundreds of defensive allies!
But I do quite understand why people choose to post on alts when they want to protect an industrial corp or something. In the current state of the game it is extremely cheap and easy for a nullsec alliance to spam wardecs at your corp that you can do literally nothing to counter or end - so the outcome for most small industrial corps would be either needing to alt-post to protect their assets or accept that their assets will need to be relocated to alt organizations.
If you are a player who doesn't want to attract wardecs this makes sense.
On the other side of the coin you have the nullsec trolling motivation where alt posting is either done because the person's other forum accounts have already been banned - or to attempt to goad people's main attempts into mutual ban situations by hurling abuse and invective at people with identities they care about.
F.ex. If a particular nullsec character wanted to score a victory over you Petrus - they would roll up a random disposable forum alt and try to troll you into losing your head and getting involved in an angry flame war that could then be petitioned by the colleagues of said alt. Worst case scenario for the nullsec'er in this instance is he or she loses a worthless alt its posting privileges - whereas worst case for you is you lose a posting identity you might have spent years building up. Its forum pvp with rifters against faction frigates and the people doing it with alts have very little to lose.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.07.05 00:49:00 -
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Because this was my first char and I was too lazy to pick another to post with? The purpose of hi sec isn't to eliminate PvP but to weed out the dumb pvpers.
My Blog-á (feedback welcome) |
Archie Benedict
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:02:00 -
[54] - Quote
I always post with my main, unless I'm talking about my multi billion isk mission ships that I sometimes afk in 0.0 with, or I am shitting on my alliance. |
George Whitebread
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:03:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:George Whitebread wrote:Wolodymyr wrote:Whenever someone wants to say something that they know will be really unpopular and they don't want it to reflect badly on their main character. Sadly, this is the case for many forumers I'm afraid. Hiding behind an Internet avatar instead of posting as themselves. Quite pathetic actually... I guess it takes one to know one. With people being so skeptical about others posting with alts I mean... You do realize what you just said makes absolutely no sense unless you're so obsessed with Eve that you now consider it your real life. The reality is we're ALL hiding behind internet avatars instead of using our real names and addresses.
No. I don't realize that. My previous statement(s) makes perfect sense to me.
I don't know about you, but when I sign up on a discussion board, it's to discuss matters concerning the game (or whatever the board is supposed to cover). Playing this game is in fact part of my real life. My avatar is not, but I don't roleplay my forum identity either. George Whitebread is simply my online alias. All statements made by "him" is in fact me, the real person sitting behind the keyboard.
When you go to the store, or just are communicating in general with people you don't know in real life, you don't give away your curriculum vitae and your personal information from the get go there either. Most random and/or temporary encounters in real life are in fact done "anonymously" (disregarding your looks).
Just as I am the same person no matter what haircut I have or what clothes I wear from day to day, I'm the same person regardless of what avatar I'm using on the Internet.
An alias on the Internet is not going to alter my identity. I have only one. And the Internet is as real as on any other arena in which my life plays out. This silly fear of the "alt"-posters thus have to come from the very people that take on a purpose made identity tied to a character they, in one way or another, are roleplaying. Many of you don't roleplay EVE, but it seems like you roleplay the Internet...
If a one day old "alt" talks on the forums like he's been playing for several years and shows great understanding of this game, and have some strong opinions on a certain subject... Then he probably have some other character lying around labeled as "main". So what? It's the player behind the keyboard that have the gaming experience, not his avatars.
Back to the OP question: Why "alt" post? Well, I have different accounts/characters for different in-game purposes. I post with the account that happens to be logged on when I'm browsing the forums.
"I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say" - George Whitebread |
Miss Yanumano
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:36:00 -
[56] - Quote
God damn forums keeps logging in my alt as default, which itself is strange, due to both name and character creation being after my main, so I'm too lazy to change it, but I've posted on my main on occasion where I feel it's appropriate to respond to "post with your main" (very seldom, I am a lazy person after all) to just prevent anyone trying to argue dumb **** by using intellectual dishonesty or willful ignorance as a shield from reason or logic.
EDIT: Eris Discordia also struck down my dissidence regarding how good a certain Sci-Fi show is, and I'm afraid she'll come back and finish me off. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
429
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:46:00 -
[57] - Quote
Because players use the alliance or corp you are in to pre-judge your comments on the forums.
There is only one location that your current corp or alliance matters and that is in CAOD. For the rest the comment of "post with your main" is a meaningless statement. EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
221
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:55:00 -
[58] - Quote
I post with an alt, because my main account requires me to be respected by all of my customers. |
Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
288
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:06:00 -
[59] - Quote
Why doesn't everyone post with their monkey? Post with your monkey. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1619
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:26:00 -
[60] - Quote
This is my forum main. |
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Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:40:00 -
[61] - Quote
Because I can Allocate resources to FiS |
TheoS113nc3r
1Oth Legion Fretensis
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:08:00 -
[62] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:You hear it all the time. "Post with your main". I know I do, and I have good reasons for doing so. The main one is building an "e-Personality". People know who I am, what I think, and what to expect from me -- and if they don't, it's easy to find out. It's also to help friends join discussions that are ongoing. "Check this out, I am actually Alt AbcXyz here" just seems like the wrong way to go about things. Plus, alts are not taken as seriously, even if their contribution to the discussion is perfectly valid.
So, with that in mind, I would like to ask: Why do you alt post? Or, if you main-post, why do you think others alt post?
Is it paranoia? Or, in more nasty terms, cowardice? Is in-game retribution for forum actions really that prevalent? Is the risk of some people not liking you that high? Or is it something else?
Discuss. (Sorry, couldn't help myself)
I post with an alt to keep my main from being ganked by people i might offend by expressing my views in forums. It happend to my main before so i'm more careful now. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1537
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:16:00 -
[63] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote: I would like to ask: Why do you alt post?
I don't alt anything. I specialize and focus. I have all my SP focused in forum warrior skills and specialize in posting.
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
240
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:20:00 -
[64] - Quote
I Alt Post because the forum just goes clicky when I post with my main. -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
123
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:21:00 -
[65] - Quote
I post exclusively on my main. I have nothing at all against alt posting, however, I just can't be assed to muster the effort to do it.
TheoS113nc3r wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:You hear it all the time. "Post with your main". I know I do, and I have good reasons for doing so. The main one is building an "e-Personality". People know who I am, what I think, and what to expect from me -- and if they don't, it's easy to find out. It's also to help friends join discussions that are ongoing. "Check this out, I am actually Alt AbcXyz here" just seems like the wrong way to go about things. Plus, alts are not taken as seriously, even if their contribution to the discussion is perfectly valid.
So, with that in mind, I would like to ask: Why do you alt post? Or, if you main-post, why do you think others alt post?
Is it paranoia? Or, in more nasty terms, cowardice? Is in-game retribution for forum actions really that prevalent? Is the risk of some people not liking you that high? Or is it something else?
Discuss. (Sorry, couldn't help myself) I post with an alt to keep my main from being ganked by people i might offend by expressing my views in forums. It happend to my main before so i'm more careful now.
I post with my main in hopes of attracting in-game gankers. Not one, so far. Lots of threats, though. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
119
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:22:00 -
[66] - Quote
I post with my main not to reveal my goon alt. |
Regnag Leppod
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:30:00 -
[67] - Quote
Because Tippia |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
161
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Posted - 2012.07.05 05:06:00 -
[68] - Quote
Because of multiple toons with total 200mil sp, i dont split my characters betwen main - alt they all vaulable and uniqe. Somtime i spent more time on character x while in other day on character y. Teemo for president. |
Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 06:16:00 -
[69] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Well the social consequence of a wardec from the Goons for being an enemy of their organization does exist. Its just a bit of a shame that the social consequences of being an unpopular large alliance no longer lead to plenty of defensive allies through the Inferno 1.0 wardec system.
I received perma-war from the Swarm for basically being their most hated player in the game bar none (mostly for not being impressed by Mittani's fanfest antics). Lucky for me my alliance has been in a constant state of war since its inception and my first instinct on receiving the dec was to make it mutual and lock them into an eternal war with hundreds of defensive allies!
And then CCP announced the 1.1 changes, you sperged about how CCP caved to goons, both CCP and the CSM told you that was wrong, and you completely ignored that and continued to sperg the same line for another 2-3 weeks. |
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
87
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:08:00 -
[70] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:You hear it all the time. "Post with your main". I know I do, and I have good reasons for doing so. The main one is building an "e-Personality". People know who I am, what I think, and what to expect from me -- and if they don't, it's easy to find out. It's also to help friends join discussions that are ongoing. "Check this out, I am actually Alt AbcXyz here" just seems like the wrong way to go about things. Plus, alts are not taken as seriously, even if their contribution to the discussion is perfectly valid.
So, with that in mind, I would like to ask: Why do you alt post? Or, if you main-post, why do you think others alt post?
Is it paranoia? Or, in more nasty terms, cowardice? Is in-game retribution for forum actions really that prevalent? Is the risk of some people not liking you that high? Or is it something else?
Discuss. (Sorry, couldn't help myself)
Not an intended derail but...
Who gets to determine what character is a persons alt or main?
I mean there are some pretty obvious examples out there where one can find a consensus but there are also a lot of gray areas. This is my second oldest character created mere hours after my first. I have made the majority of my income on this character though it has never fired so much as a pop gun.
I have both trained and traded for other characters that have more sp and have used them for everything from pve and pvp to infiltration as well as ganks. Yet I still consider this character as my main when it comes to market transactions (the bulk of my income) and forum posting.
From time to time i will make a post and some forum warrior will come on and check my history on battleclinic or some other source and chime in with "post with you main noob."
So I ask as a counter question who gets to say what is a persons main? Are kill stats the only determining factor?
I have many kills on many characters but i do not post on them and feel no need to.
Meh, --Posting with MY main.
Patri
Miners! Make Moar Isks Nao! |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8375
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:13:00 -
[71] - Quote
I don't, mainly becauseGǪMalcanis wrote:If it's not worth posting on your main, it's not worth posting. GǪand those that alt post obviously have nothing worth-while to say.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:15:00 -
[72] - Quote
Patri Andari wrote:Who gets to determine what character is a persons alt or main? You do.
There are some people, however, who'll try every trick in the book to win an argument. You can argue as correctly as you'd like about f.ex something combat-related, but if the char you're on doesn't have multiple thousands of kills in the last months, they'll happily go "post with your main, or your arguments are null and void because you don't have combat experience on that char!". |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
328
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:24:00 -
[73] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:I received perma-war from the Swarm for basically being their most hated player in the game bar none (mostly for not being impressed by Mittani's fanfest antics).
You must have been quite outspoken, since many posters on this forum posted their disapproval of his behavior, including some CFC members and even some Goons.
Anyway, I post with my main 'cause I post with my brain. . |
Daltzi
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:28:00 -
[74] - Quote
I do, only because alliance Leadership wishes I ONLY sold characters i train to sell to alliance only at a Bro Discount. Alas this is EVE I Have to make my isk somehow, I will sell my Nyx - Aeon sitters & Maxed out prober characters to anyone that pays the price i require! |
BabydoII
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:31:00 -
[75] - Quote
I dont really have alts. I dont beleive in the concept. I treat all of my characters equally.
I find the idea of calling one character a "main" and one an "alt" offensive actually.
How do you define which of your alteregos is your main alter ego ?
It boggles the mind. |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
197
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:37:00 -
[76] - Quote
Because people pigeonhole you based on what corp or alliance you are in an and presume that you are incapable of unbiased opinion. With alt posting they also presume some sort of agenda (tho undefined), which is IMO the lesser evil, but in the end it doesn't matter. |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
168
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:58:00 -
[77] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:If it's not worth posting on your main, it's not worth posting.
Not empty quoting.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:27:00 -
[78] - Quote
George Whitebread wrote:I have no alts. All my characters are my main character.
Besides, when discussing on a forum, people should reply to the post/argument - not the avatar. It's the same RL person behind my arguments no matter what character I'm posting with anyway.
Far too many need an internet existence behind some character in a space ship game where every one and his mother/dog/cat/grandma claims captain quarters and nex clothes are for wow players.
Interesting psychology, a real good study case.
Now please everyone, I'm testing mmo's players trust behaviour, send me a couple millions and of course I'll return them back to you with some extra to thank your participation.
Thx.
brb |
Dave Horizon
Big Donkey Floppy Disc NightSong Directorate
3
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:40:00 -
[79] - Quote
I dont have a main, just alts........ |
Kyle Ward
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2012.07.05 11:54:00 -
[80] - Quote
My main is ugly and I'm ashamed... The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
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Nirnias Stirrum
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:12:00 -
[81] - Quote
Cowards and braggarts thats who post on alts!
And those to afraid to face the ramifications of the stupid they post on forums. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:25:00 -
[82] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I received perma-war from the Swarm for basically being their most hated player in the game bar none (mostly for not being impressed by Mittani's fanfest antics).
You must have been quite outspoken, since many posters on this forum posted their disapproval of his behavior, including some CFC members and even some Goons.
Well, I might have been quite cutting and outspoken all at the same time
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
March rabbit
Gansa. Legion of xXDEATHXx
210
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:27:00 -
[83] - Quote
i always use my main. Have no reasons to hide |
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:29:00 -
[84] - Quote
As a general rule, I do not post on my main. I don't need crazy following me into the game. If I was required to post on my main, I'd stop posting. |
Alternate Poster
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:29:00 -
[85] - Quote
I just can't help myself. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:35:00 -
[86] - Quote
Because idgaf and if a person posts decently and cause use reason, logic, and evidence in their arguments then who they post with shouldn't matter.
The downside is that by using an alt small-minded people can more easily dismiss your arguments. But honestly, if I posted with my main they'd still dismiss my arguments because *Goons*. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:37:00 -
[87] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Because idgaf and if a person posts decently and cause use reason, logic, and evidence in their arguments then who they post with shouldn't matter.
The downside is that by using an alt small-minded people can more easily dismiss your arguments. But honestly, if I posted with my main they'd still dismiss my arguments because *Goons*.
Don't you feel that posting with your non-goon alt is somehow avoiding "social consequences" of your involvement with an organization that isn't very popular ingame?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:38:00 -
[88] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I received perma-war from the Swarm for basically being their most hated player in the game bar none (mostly for not being impressed by Mittani's fanfest antics).
You must have been quite outspoken, since many posters on this forum posted their disapproval of his behavior, including some CFC members and even some Goons. Well, I might have been quite cutting and outspoken all at the same time
Hey, look at this person with an over-inflated ego. Our most hated person is and always will be SirMolle. You're more like a little yappy dog that won't shut up while we're watching Spongebob.
Also, we've been annoyed with you since you started chestbeating and being dumb during the Great War. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
George Whitebread
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:41:00 -
[89] - Quote
Kyle Ward wrote:My main is ugly and I'm ashamed...
/thread
"I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say" - George Whitebread |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:42:00 -
[90] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Because idgaf and if a person posts decently and cause use reason, logic, and evidence in their arguments then who they post with shouldn't matter.
The downside is that by using an alt small-minded people can more easily dismiss your arguments. But honestly, if I posted with my main they'd still dismiss my arguments because *Goons*. Don't you feel that posting with your non-goon alt is somehow avoiding "social consequences" of your involvement with an organization that isn't very popular ingame?
Haha, why would I? The people who hate us already wardec us constantly. And this character isn't wardec immune or anything. I regularly travel around with her, and I have yet to be wardeced at all.
The problem of people dismissing alts comes when people use their npc-alts to post crazy nonsense simply in an effort to stir up **** without facing consequence. That ruins it for people who just prefer to post with alts because they like that alt. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:49:00 -
[91] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I received perma-war from the Swarm for basically being their most hated player in the game bar none (mostly for not being impressed by Mittani's fanfest antics).
You must have been quite outspoken, since many posters on this forum posted their disapproval of his behavior, including some CFC members and even some Goons. Well, I might have been quite cutting and outspoken all at the same time Hey, look at this person with an over-inflated ego.
protip deflating an eve-player's ego is not best achieved by having 9000 energetic posters frothing incoherently at every post that person makes for a five year period. I know it sounds crass - but the fact goons collectively don't like me convinces me that I'm doing something right
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:49:00 -
[92] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Because idgaf and if a person posts decently and cause use reason, logic, and evidence in their arguments then who they post with shouldn't matter.
The downside is that by using an alt small-minded people can more easily dismiss your arguments. But honestly, if I posted with my main they'd still dismiss my arguments because *Goons*. Don't you feel that posting with your non-goon alt is somehow avoiding "social consequences" of your involvement with an organization that isn't very popular ingame? If anything, what he's doing by posting (and making public the fact he is a goon) is the opposite of "avoiding social consequences". |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:51:00 -
[93] - Quote
Case in point.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
74
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:55:00 -
[94] - Quote
Posting with an alt would mean no consequences in game. You can say whatever you want, to whomever you want, with no worries. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 13:19:00 -
[95] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I received perma-war from the Swarm for basically being their most hated player in the game bar none (mostly for not being impressed by Mittani's fanfest antics).
You must have been quite outspoken, since many posters on this forum posted their disapproval of his behavior, including some CFC members and even some Goons. Well, I might have been quite cutting and outspoken all at the same time Hey, look at this person with an over-inflated ego. protip deflating an eve-player's ego is not best achieved by having 9000 energetic posters frothing incoherently at every post that person makes for a five year period. I know it sounds crass - but the fact goons collectively don't like me convinces me that I'm doing something right
We go after almost anyone who posts badly. All this means is that you were one of the first. You really aren't all that special except for the La Maison stuff and how you sperg constantly about any conspiracy you can think of. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
120
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Posted - 2012.07.05 13:49:00 -
[96] - Quote
I am bipolar. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:00:00 -
[97] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote: You really aren't all that special except for the La Maison stuff ...
And the irony being your directors made up the "La Maison stuff" / allegations of RL prostitution / child pornography etc simply to try to smear an internet spaceship election campaign and try to lose an eve player their RL job. You guys went as far as creating fake websites, erotic fan fiction and a rl letter writing campaign - you were pretty damned serious about it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1371
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:00:00 -
[98] - Quote
Hey Jade, maybe you should start alt-posting since people hate you so much.
To be honest, being well hated or well loved on the forums due to your posting is an "Op success" in my books. If only I could get thousands of idiots to hate me...
By the way, Goonswarm sucks and they are the worst kind of subhuman slime ever. *crosses fingers* Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:05:00 -
[99] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote: You really aren't all that special except for the La Maison stuff ... And the irony being your directors made up the "La Maison stuff" / allegations of RL prostitution / child pornography etc simply to try to smear an internet spaceship election campaign and try to lose an eve player their RL job. You guys went as far as creating fake websites, erotic fan fiction and a rl letter writing campaign - you were pretty damned serious about it. And yet again you manage to take even the littlest hint to make sure everyone associate you with all those things.
It's almost as if you want to be associated with those things. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:09:00 -
[100] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Hey Jade, maybe you should start alt-posting since people hate you so much.
To be honest, being well hated or well loved on the forums due to your posting is an "Op success" in my books. If only I could get thousands of idiots to hate me...
By the way, Goonswarm sucks and they are the worst kind of subhuman slime ever. *crosses fingers*
Well, I don't really believe in alt-posting. I think its a bit weak all in all. I think its pretty much one of the worst things about Eve Online forums and has been since day one. Its generally abused by people wanting to sling murky accusations without risk from the sidelines.
The key to getting "goonswarm" to hate you Petrus is to take their leader apart in online discussions. When the Mittani loses his head on the forums he starts calling posting CTA's to cover his blushes. Shooting humorous one-liners at the rank and file generally fails on the grounds they don't really understand humor unless it has a pony or lolcat attached in asciii code to let them know its meant to be funny.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:12:00 -
[101] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote: By the way, Goonswarm sucks and they are the worst kind of subhuman slime ever. *crosses fingers*
You have no idea how many Goons will agree with you on this. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:12:00 -
[102] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote: It's almost as if you want to be associated with those things.
What "things" are you talking about here "zim"? Because I'm saying that yes, Goonswarm did host several websites that were linked from poison-pen letters sent to my RL employers with the express intent of getting me fired from my job. And you guys do still host a goonwiki that has my RL photograph alongside an allegation of child-sex abuse.
Nobody sensible "wants" to be associated with these things, and I think no gamer really wants to be associated with a community that makes and sustains such allegations to "win" in-game political campaigns either.
How about you remove the websites in question and perhaps we can all stop talking about these things?
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:13:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Hey Jade, maybe you should start alt-posting since people hate you so much.
To be honest, being well hated or well loved on the forums due to your posting is an "Op success" in my books. If only I could get thousands of idiots to hate me...
By the way, Goonswarm sucks and they are the worst kind of subhuman slime ever. *crosses fingers* Well, I don't really believe in alt-posting. I think its a bit weak all in all. I think its pretty much one of the worst things about Eve Online forums and has been since day one. Its generally abused by people wanting to sling murky accusations without risk from the sidelines. The key to getting "goonswarm" to hate you Petrus is to take their leader apart in online discussions. When the Mittani loses his head on the forums he starts calling posting CTA's to cover his blushes. Shooting humorous one-liners at the rank and file generally fails on the grounds they don't really understand humor unless it has a pony or lolcat attached in asciii code to let them know its meant to be funny.
I think you're thinking of TEST. They're really all about ponies and lolcats. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:17:00 -
[104] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: It's almost as if you want to be associated with those things. What "things" are you "talking" about here "zim"? "Because" I'm "saying" that "yes", "Goonswarm" "did" "host" several websites that were "linked" from "poison-pen letters sent to my RL employers" with the "express intent" of getting me "fired" from my "job". And you "guys" do still host a "goonwiki" that has my "RL photograph" alongside an "allegation" of "child-sex abuse". Nobody "sensible" "wants" to be "associated" with these "things", and I "think" no "gamer" really wants to be "associated" with a "community" that makes and sustains such "allegations" to "win" "in-game political campaigns" either. How about you "remove" the "websites" in question and perhaps "we" can all stop "talking" about these "things"?
It's hard to take down a webcache. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:19:00 -
[105] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Because I'm saying that yes, Goonswarm did host several websites that were linked from poison-pen letters sent to my RL employers with the express intent of getting me fired from my job.
I am quite certain that this never happened. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:22:00 -
[106] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote: It's hard to take down a webcache.
http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Jade_Constantine.html
Doesn't look like a webcache to me.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1371
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:24:00 -
[107] - Quote
Nice suit and hairdo. I'm jealous. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:27:00 -
[108] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Nice suit and hairdo. I'm jealous.
I went through a bit of a new romantic phase.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:28:00 -
[109] - Quote
What is crackerjax? I've never heard of that. How do you know that that is a Goon controlled site? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:32:00 -
[110] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:What is crackerjax? I've never heard of that. How do you know that that is a Goon controlled site?
Right yeah.
The material there is very different from the stuff you post on eve-online forums every time you lose an argument.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:39:00 -
[111] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:What is crackerjax? I've never heard of that. How do you know that that is a Goon controlled site? Right yeah. The material there is very different from the stuff you post on eve-online forums every time you lose an argument.
Come on now Jade, why would we post things that obviously upset you?
I can think of a multitude of sites that have stolen content from the Goonwiki. Sites that are completely out of our control. Sites whose users can post anything, no matter what. Anyway, if you don't want to be associated with it, why do you keep bringing it up? I hardly ever see anyone mention it before you. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 14:49:00 -
[112] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote: I can think of a multitude of sites that have stolen content from the Goonwiki. Sites that are completely out of our control. Sites whose users can post anything, no matter what. Anyway, if you don't want to be associated with it, why do you keep bringing it up? I hardly ever see anyone mention it before you.
Strange then isn't it that every single time we have a discussion we end up on this subject. Almost as if you goons are trying your hardest to find ways to circumvent the new forum rules. Here's the thing, if you want to avoid the subject then just stop bringing it up in every thread. Perhaps you could say on topic and tell us again why you prefer to post on an alt.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
265
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:03:00 -
[113] - Quote
For a full explanation as to why I don't post with my main, please send me your RL name and address, and I'd be happy to turn up in person and tell you. UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch |
Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:05:00 -
[114] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: It's almost as if you want to be associated with those things. What "things" are you talking about here "zim"? Because I'm saying that yes, Goonswarm did host several websites that were linked from poison-pen letters sent to my RL employers with the express intent of getting me fired from my job. And you guys do still host a goonwiki that has my RL photograph alongside an allegation of child-sex abuse. Nobody sensible "wants" to be associated with these things, and I think no gamer really wants to be associated with a community that makes and sustains such allegations to "win" in-game political campaigns either.
So this is what, the third thread in a row that I've seen you veer completely off course with a "hey guys so goons accused me of [long list of things], and they made [link to a site with the very, very reputable name of "crackerjax"], too!"? I wouldn't have known you claim you were "associated with these things" if you wouldn't keep bringing it up at every opportunity you find (and probably then some).
And I swear, that list of allegations from your side keeps growing from thread to thread.
Jade Constantine wrote:How about you remove the websites in question and perhaps we can all stop talking about these things? Remove which website? the crackerjax one? Sorry, no can do, it's not my site. And at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was your site, designed to smear us, given the gusto with which you keep posting it. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1371
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:05:00 -
[115] - Quote
Miss Whippy wrote:For a full explanation as to why I don't post with my main, please send me your RL name and address, and I'd be happy to turn up in person and tell you. You can probably find my RL details in about 5-10 minutes of searching. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
black cree
Utopian Research I.E.L.
33
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:12:00 -
[116] - Quote
I think people post with alt because they fear the banhammer. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:13:00 -
[117] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote: I can think of a multitude of sites that have stolen content from the Goonwiki. Sites that are completely out of our control. Sites whose users can post anything, no matter what. Anyway, if you don't want to be associated with it, why do you keep bringing it up? I hardly ever see anyone mention it before you. Strange then isn't it that every single time we have a discussion we end up on this subject. Almost as if you goons are trying your hardest to find ways to circumvent the new forum rules. Here's the thing, if you want to avoid the subject then just stop bringing it up in every thread. Perhaps you could say on topic and tell us again why you prefer to post on an alt.
The wiki that we own has been fixed. I have done everything I can do to fix your reputation Jade. Now stop spreading these rumors about yourself. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:14:00 -
[118] - Quote
Back on topic: I really think that alt posting is different per the person posting. Some people can alt post responsibly, and some people just can't. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:15:00 -
[119] - Quote
And some people can't post responsibly at all. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:17:00 -
[120] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:And some people can't post responsibly at all.
When the posting gets tough, the tough stop posting. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
550
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:17:00 -
[121] - Quote
I really don't see in our wiki, our actual, goon controlled wiki, where Jade is called a pedo. Perhaps he should be reported for spreading rumors.
e: To the topic of the thread, as far as the rest of Eve is concerned, this is my main. 80m SP characters hardly can be called "alts" anyway. . |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:19:00 -
[122] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote: Remove which website? the crackerjax one? Sorry, no can do, it's not my site. And at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was your site, designed to smear us, given the gusto with which you keep posting it.
Wow, and you accuse me of wearing a tinfoil hat - that's a pretty wild accusation you have going there ...
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
205
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:19:00 -
[123] - Quote
why not I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
550
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:20:00 -
[124] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: Remove which website? the crackerjax one? Sorry, no can do, it's not my site. And at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was your site, designed to smear us, given the gusto with which you keep posting it. Wow, and you accuse me of wearing a tinfoil hat - that's a pretty wild accusation you have going there ... Doesn't sound any more or less wild than claiming that CCP changed the wardec system at the express request of nullsec alliances. . |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
168
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:21:00 -
[125] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:You hear it all the time. "Post with your main". I know I do, and I have good reasons for doing so. The main one is building an "e-Personality". People know who I am, what I think, and what to expect from me -- and if they don't, it's easy to find out. It's also to help friends join discussions that are ongoing. "Check this out, I am actually Alt AbcXyz here" just seems like the wrong way to go about things. Plus, alts are not taken as seriously, even if their contribution to the discussion is perfectly valid.
So, with that in mind, I would like to ask: Why do you alt post? Or, if you main-post, why do you think others alt post?
Is it paranoia? Or, in more nasty terms, cowardice? Is in-game retribution for forum actions really that prevalent? Is the risk of some people not liking you that high? Or is it something else?
Discuss. (Sorry, couldn't help myself)
Because I get extra tears for posting, like these ^
I'm an American, English is my second language... |
Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:23:00 -
[126] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: Remove which website? the crackerjax one? Sorry, no can do, it's not my site. And at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was your site, designed to smear us, given the gusto with which you keep posting it. Wow, and you accuse me of wearing a tinfoil hat - that's a pretty wild accusation you have going there ... As opposed to "hey guys guys goons are saying I'm a pedo and a million other bad things here's a link to a website which contains something which nobody can verify"?
Yeah, pretty wild accusation, given the gusto with which you keep posting it, again and again and again and again. |
Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:24:00 -
[127] - Quote
corestwo wrote:Doesn't sound any more or less wild than claiming that CCP changed the wardec system at the express request of nullsec alliances. Or keeping claiming that, 3 weeks after CCP, CSM and various goon directors have told him that that's an incorrect assumption on his part at every level. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1744
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:25:00 -
[128] - Quote
I don't. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:32:00 -
[129] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: Remove which website? the crackerjax one? Sorry, no can do, it's not my site. And at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was your site, designed to smear us, given the gusto with which you keep posting it. Wow, and you accuse me of wearing a tinfoil hat - that's a pretty wild accusation you have going there ... As opposed to "hey guys guys goons are saying I'm a pedo and a million other bad things here's a link to a website which contains something which nobody can verify"? Yeah, pretty wild accusation, given the gusto with which you keep posting it, again and again and again and again.
So just for the record. Are you claiming now that the http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Jade_Constantine.html site was not copied from the "official" goonwiki site and that page with my RL picture and accusations was not at any time hosted on the goon-controlled site?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
172
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:38:00 -
[130] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:The main one is building an "e-Personality".
Heh... you love Facebook and Twitter, dontcha? Admit it, you're one of those people that FB hours a day,aren't ya? (Don't bother answering, I doubt I'll get an honest answer).
Me, I post with this alt because I KNOW it annoys those of the "poast with yer main!" camp; these are pretty much the same people who insist you play THEIR game, not your own. Who insist you use THEIR fit, rather than use your own imagination. Who insist you calculate your costs according to THEIR rules, rather than what it actually costs. (Cue the "mined minerals are free" flame-war)
Relevant, informative, and ACCURATE posts here are what matters, and not the name or age of the toon doing the posting. Silly boy... ;-) |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:45:00 -
[131] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: Remove which website? the crackerjax one? Sorry, no can do, it's not my site. And at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was your site, designed to smear us, given the gusto with which you keep posting it. Wow, and you accuse me of wearing a tinfoil hat - that's a pretty wild accusation you have going there ... As opposed to "hey guys guys goons are saying I'm a pedo and a million other bad things here's a link to a website which contains something which nobody can verify"? Yeah, pretty wild accusation, given the gusto with which you keep posting it, again and again and again and again. So just for the record. Are you claiming now that the: http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Jade_Constantine.html page was NOT copied from the "official" goonwiki site and that page with my RL picture and accusations was not at any time hosted on the "official" goon-controlled site https://wiki.goonfleet.com ? Would just like to get your denial in writing for posterity.
So you're just going to ignore what I did for you completely huh? I'm of half a mind to go and make your Goonwiki page worse now. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:49:00 -
[132] - Quote
How would I know? I didn't check the wiki until the first thread you derailed, repeatedly, by constantly spamming the crackerjax link, which was 2-3 weeks ago. And the wiki entry looks nothing like that.
What's next, a "so mittani, when did you stop beating your wife?" smear, since you love him so much? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1371
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:58:00 -
[133] - Quote
Katja Faith wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:The main one is building an "e-Personality". Heh... you love Facebook and Twitter, dontcha? Admit it, you're one of those people that FB hours a day,aren't ya? (Don't bother answering, I doubt I'll get an honest answer). Me, I post with this alt because I KNOW it annoys those of the "poast with yer main!" camp; these are pretty much the same people who insist you play THEIR game, not your own. Who insist you use THEIR fit, rather than use your own imagination. Who insist you calculate your costs according to THEIR rules, rather than what it actually costs. (Cue the "mined minerals are free" flame-war) Relevant, informative, and ACCURATE posts here are what matters, and not the name or age of the toon doing the posting. Silly boy... ;-) I actually do not use FB for hours a day (hardly once a month, if that). Twitter, even less.
I don't think the problem is that alts don't have relevant, informative, or accurate posts. It's that, when the information is subjective or debatable, reputation and credibility are required to not simply dismiss the claim. It's why people don't even conceive believing or even taking seriously a tabloid that says "peanut butter cures cancer", but they would seriously lend the matter somethought if a scientific journal said the same thing.
Still, that's not usually what "post with your main" means. It's usually not "you are not a credible source", but rather "your arguments seem to have a hidden agenda, and your alt is a bad proxy for it" or "you are so stupid, please tell me your real identity so I can mock you properly". Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:58:00 -
[134] - Quote
ITT Jade thinks every thread is about him. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 16:01:00 -
[135] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:ITT Jade thinksturns every thread isinto being about him.
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Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
2
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Posted - 2012.07.05 16:18:00 -
[136] - Quote
Because it's so damn hard to Ctrl-post. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 16:46:00 -
[137] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:How would I know? I didn't check the wiki until the first thread you derailed, repeatedly, by constantly spamming the crackerjax link, which was 2-3 weeks ago. And the wiki entry looks nothing like that. What's next, a "so mittani, when did you stop beating your wife?" smear, since you love him so much?
Almost like you can't answer the question isn't it. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 16:53:00 -
[138] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:So you're just going to ignore what I did for you completely huh? I'm of half a mind to go and make your Goonwiki page worse now.
As long as you stop linking the material there from Eve Online every time you lose an argument I dare so nobody will really notice. But really, the fact I have a "goonwiki" page devoted to me is a pretty comprehensive sign I've gotten under your skin and become something of a signal obsession for the Goon organization. Not bad for a small corp anarchist driving a giant collectivist cult to virtual distraction.
The irony is what would really hurt my feelings would be if you guys started ignoring me. But that's hardly like to happen since I represent the one part of Eve you haven't exploited, dominated or generally crushed underfoot. Good forum posting!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
614
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Posted - 2012.07.05 16:58:00 -
[139] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:You hear it all the time. "Post with your main". I know I do, and I have good reasons for doing so. The main one is building an "e-Personality". People know who I am, what I think, and what to expect from me -- and if they don't, it's easy to find out. It's also to help friends join discussions that are ongoing. "Check this out, I am actually Alt AbcXyz here" just seems like the wrong way to go about things. Plus, alts are not taken as seriously, even if their contribution to the discussion is perfectly valid.
So, with that in mind, I would like to ask: Why do you alt post? Or, if you main-post, why do you think others alt post?
Is it paranoia? Or, in more nasty terms, cowardice? Is in-game retribution for forum actions really that prevalent? Is the risk of some people not liking you that high? Or is it something else?
Discuss. (Sorry, couldn't help myself)
who are you? pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
120
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:00:00 -
[140] - Quote
Can't be only a single reason in my opinion:
- Because they are legitimately trying to hide their main account. Could be fear of suicide ganking or simply disagreeing with your alliances viewpoints. Some alliances explicitly state "no forum posting in our name".
- Because their main was created without thinking about the forums? One of my alts looks ****ing jokes and I would sometimes rather post with him just because the character name and image are much more memorable.
- Because they care about reputation and only post "politically correct" with their main, using their alt for trolling/sarcasm.
- Because they have a split personality and/or roleplay.
- Because some people just like messing with your head.
I try to take all these factors into account when I read a post or write one. |
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Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:04:00 -
[141] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Almost like you can't answer the question isn't it. Yes, it's almost like I can't answer the question, and it's almost like I didn't say that the first time around. I've no idea when that "crackerjax" page was made, I've no idea who put what there, I've no idea where the content of that link came from, who made it up, or anything. It's not even proof of anything. Hell, I could put up a page claiming all sorts of things and hiding behind "it's a mirror off of the goon wiki, honest! talk to them!", if I wanted to, doesn't really make it an actual goon wiki, now does it?
Jade Constantine wrote:As long as you stop linking the material there from Eve Online every time you lose an argument I dare so nobody will really notice. I'd love to see you point out a single discussion where we've "linked the material there from eve online", since the only one I've seen, so far, who've spewed forth an increasingly long list of accusations, along with the crackerjax link, has been you. And in some threads, if it even looked like it was getting off the topic of you and back onto the topic which the thread started with, you'd make sure you'd copy/paste the entire list of things you accuse us of saying about/doing to you along with the crackerjax link, until the topic was well and properly steered back on to you. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:09:00 -
[142] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Almost like you can't answer the question isn't it. Yes, it's almost like I can't answer the question, and it's almost like I didn't say that the first time around. I've no idea when that "crackerjax" page was made, I've no idea who put what there, I've no idea where the content of that link came from, who made it up, or anything. It's not even proof of anything. Hell, I could put up a page claiming all sorts of things and hiding behind "it's a mirror off of the goon wiki, honest! talk to them!", if I wanted to, doesn't really make it an actual goon wiki, now does it? Jade Constantine wrote:As long as you stop linking the material there from Eve Online every time you lose an argument I dare so nobody will really notice. I'd love to see you point out a single discussion where we've "linked the material there from eve online", since the only one I've seen, so far, who've spewed forth an increasingly long list of accusations, along with the crackerjax link, has been you. And in some threads, if it even looked like it was getting off the topic of you and back onto the topic which the thread started with, you'd make sure you'd copy/paste the entire list of things you accuse us of saying about/doing to you along with the crackerjax link, until the topic was well and properly steered back on to you.
I actually saw where a Goon, I think it was someone high up, quoted from the Goonwiki.
Regardless, that was one instance. Also, losing an argument is a far sight different from realizing you are arguing with a brick wall. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:10:00 -
[143] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote: I've no idea when that "crackerjax" page was made, I've no idea who put what there, I've no idea where the content of that link came from, who made it up, or anything.
So ask your fellow goons if that page accurately represented the page on the goon wiki up to a few weeks ago. Ask around, then get back to me when you are ready to apologize for the slithering evasions you posted earlier on this thread.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:19:00 -
[144] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: I've no idea when that "crackerjax" page was made, I've no idea who put what there, I've no idea where the content of that link came from, who made it up, or anything. So ask your fellow goons if that page accurately represented the page on the goon wiki up to a few weeks ago. Ask around, then get back to me when you are ready to apologize for the slithering evasions you posted earlier on this thread.
I actually did that. No one knows who owns it. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1624
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:21:00 -
[145] - Quote
- I don't have a main - I sold my 'main' some time around '07, since then, I only have alts, but this is my posting main.
- The Facebook effect - I don't post anything using a character I use ingame for the same reason I've never stated anything in the internet using my RL name ecxept for strictly work related stuff. If there's data I can't erase myself, I don't make it public in the first place. It's a violation of my privacy. Specialized posting mains are a good way to post anyway since I can just biomass them and thus, clip the line.
- all my other alts are ugly. You know... morons. |
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
265
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:38:00 -
[146] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Miss Whippy wrote:For a full explanation as to why I don't post with my main, please send me your RL name and address, and I'd be happy to turn up in person and tell you. You can probably find my RL details in about 5-10 minutes of searching.
Considering I don't know your name, nationality, or indeed one single thing about you. I doubt that.
Frankly, people who have a problem with Alt posters just need to get the **** over it. What difference does it make if it's an Alt posting or not? It's the quality of the posts that count. People who **** and moan about Alts probably got embarrassed so badly on the forums by one that they want some revenge. UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch |
Anubis Star
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:45:00 -
[147] - Quote
this is my main |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
156
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:00:00 -
[148] - Quote
I only ever post on my main.
The fact that what you say here can have real in-game consequences (both good and bad) is key to the concept of main posting. In exchange for the risk you take by speaking with your main, your words have the potential to carry more weight, depending on who you are and what topic you are commenting on.
If a PVPer posting on their 50 m skillpoint main with an active and impressive killboard says "Weapon X is more effective than weapon Y when mounted on Ship Z" in a PVP discussion thread, they are more likely to be taken seriously by other PVPers on the thread than some 3 day old NPC corp sock puppet, even if the sock puppet is making the exact same point.
A large factor to the hate for alt posting is the fact that it shields the player's main from any repercussions that their words might have. This gives some players the perceived right to shiptoast or otherwise fill threads with meaningless trolls/threats/boasts or comments.
In the end, the choice of main posting or alt posting is all part of the EVE meta-game. Building a reputation with your main or trying to guide or influence conversations with an alt are just different strategies to the meta-game... just as mining and scamming are two legitimate strategies for making ISK in game. In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
172
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:03:00 -
[149] - Quote
All I have is alts. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:09:00 -
[150] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: I've no idea when that "crackerjax" page was made, I've no idea who put what there, I've no idea where the content of that link came from, who made it up, or anything. So ask your fellow goons if that page accurately represented the page on the goon wiki up to a few weeks ago. Ask around, then get back to me when you are ready to apologize for the slithering evasions you posted earlier on this thread. I actually did that. No one knows who owns it.
That wasn't the question I asked him to ask.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
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Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:43:00 -
[151] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: I've no idea when that "crackerjax" page was made, I've no idea who put what there, I've no idea where the content of that link came from, who made it up, or anything. So ask your fellow goons if that page accurately represented the page on the goon wiki up to a few weeks ago. If by "that page" you mean "crackerjax", then no, it did not represent the page on the goon wiki up to a few weeks ago. Not even close.
Jade Constantine wrote:Ask around, then get back to me when you are ready to apologize for the slithering evasions you posted earlier on this thread. I'm not going to apologize for squat, since I have nothing to apologize for. I've done nothing wrong, I haven't thrown around accusations, I didn't tell everyone that you've "been accused of RL prostitution/child pornography/child-sex abuse", you have. Repeatedly. You've also made sure to link what I can only assume is your RL picture (and no, I don't want proof), and then loudly accuse us of repeatedly linking your picture on the internet.
Face it, you've got a well-proven track record of throwing out wild accusations or claims with no basis in reality, even in the face of overwhelming facts, and the Until you come up with actual facts (no, a fabricated "wikipage" on some host named "crackerjax" isn't proof of anything, I could've done exactly the same today if I wanted to) I'm going to just treat this as yet another one of your "throw **** everywhere, something's bound to stick" sessions. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:19:00 -
[152] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote: If by "that page" you mean "crackerjax", then no, it did not represent the page on the goon wiki up to a few weeks ago. Not even close.
In which case I must conclude you are simply unable to speak truthfully on this matter since that page on the mirror did indeed accurately represent the same page until a few weeks ago. (Only change was the goon admins removed the rl picture from your hosted version.) The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:29:00 -
[153] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: If by "that page" you mean "crackerjax", then no, it did not represent the page on the goon wiki up to a few weeks ago. Not even close. In which case I must conclude you are simply unable to speak truthfully since that page on the mirror did indeed accurately represent the same page until a few weeks ago. (Only change was the goon admins removed the rl picture from your hosted version.) It did not. But hey, keep guessing, keep grasping at straws, and keep on saying "I've been accused of RL prostitution/child pornography/child-sex abuse" and linking the crackerjax link in every thread you can and then ***** and whine about how we're "sullying your good name and reputation" and "linking your real life picture". I'm sure any lawyer would take a look at your posting history, take a look at the "proof", and laugh all the way to the bank with your cheque while telling you that you're being a dumbass for doing more damage to your own name than anyone else ever could. |
Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:30:00 -
[154] - Quote
Why would I be "honorable" and post with my main to a bunch of EVE-O forums yey-hoos? But seriously...
I use a flagrant anonymous posting alt because: -It's kind of a psychology/sociology experiment. Having different internet personae, and seeing how people react to them. My main and alts each have different personalities.
-My main is a corp officer, and does corp recruiting. He's ambitious and someday wants to do something biggish. So like Petrus Blackshell, he's building a long-term persona and reputation. I try to say reasonably intelligent things with him.
-One alt I use to say whatever the hell I want. Might be obnoxious, controversial, or inflammatory. He's a meta-gamer. During the CSM elections I used him for subversion and trying to pick apart certain candidates and their supporters. It's a play-acting alt, really. This jerk alt gets a proportionally high amount of Likes.
-One alt is my innocent new carebear player alt. I use him to ask theoretical gameplay/strategy/tactics questions in New Citizens forum. He gets a proportionally high number of Likes too.
-I can't tell you about my other alts and whether or not they exist.
-Sometimes my alts talk to each other. They laugh at each other's jokes in threads and say "well said" and "true that." In fact, all of the anonymous alts posting in this thread are mine. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
431
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:31:00 -
[155] - Quote
Power to the peo...., ALTS !!
We will own ya all ! (some day) brb |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:31:00 -
[156] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote: It did not.
Obviously nobody is going to take your word for it, how about we have a web cached version of the wiki for the last few months and judge for ourselves when the changes were made?
But hey, keep on saying "I've been accused of RL prostitution/child pornography/child-sex abuse" and linking the crackerjax link in every thread you can and then ***** and whine about how we're "sullying your good name and reputation" and "linking your real life picture". I'm sure any lawyer would take a look at your posting history, take a look at the "proof", and laugh all the way to the bank with your cheque while telling you that you're being a dumbass for doing more damage to your own name than anyone else ever could.[/quote]
[quote=Lord Zim] The problem with your argument here "zim" is that you trying to claim a player who has suffered ooc harassment and abuse conducted in the name of your organization is actually to blame for complaining about said harassment and abuse. Your leader became the most public example of cyberbullying in eve online recent of course by suggesting that a fellow player should be trolled into suicide - but that hasn't stopped a number of the other goons doing some quite dodgy things yourselves. Had the goons in question lived in the UK doubtless we'd have a court case by now to add a little more spice and scandal to the reputation of Eve Online.
Bottom line. You guys need to stop targeting people out of game for in-game reasons. Stop taking the game so seriously that you take it into the realm of personal real life harassment. Because in pushing this agenda you are backing CCP into a wall where eventually they are going to have kneejerk to do something about this to preserve any kind of professional reputation in the games industry.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Lord Zim
981
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:55:00 -
[157] - Quote
The only one harassing you right now is yourself, by continually saying "I've been accused of RL prostitution/child pornography/child-sex abuse" and linking the crackerjax link in every thread imaginable. As I said, the only reason I even have the words "RL prostitution/child pornography/child-sex abuse" in my mind alongside your name, is because you can not stop talking about it, and I'm pretty certain I'm pretty damn far from the only one.
But as I said, keep on doing it for another few years, I'm sure it'll make you look less the victim and more like someone trying to victimize themselves to try to get at an ingame alliance.
Jade Constantine wrote:(I'm glad to see your knowledge of the law is as flawed as your knowledge of eve online gameplay matters though.) Considering I've schooled you in almost all discussions, that doesn't bode well for your understanding of law. |
Frank Truck
HAZMAT Hauling
10
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:57:00 -
[158] - Quote
Because I have 5 chars over 30mill sp and I really don't know which is my main |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:58:00 -
[159] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote: Considering I've schooled you in almost all discussions, that doesn't bode well for your understanding of law.
Then I'm sure we're all waiting for your goonwiki webcache evidence with baited breath. It should be quite simple for you to prove me wrong if you've been telling the truth. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Price Check Aisle3
146
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:12:00 -
[160] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Then I'm sure we're all waiting for your goonwiki webcache evidence with baited breath. It should be quite simple for you to prove me wrong if you've been telling the truth. Actually, no one but you really cares about this.
Also confirming that Zim is completely correct in that you are the one making you look bad. - Karl Hobb IATS |
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None ofthe Above
293
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:15:00 -
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Vicky Somers wrote:All I have is alts.
This.
I find it profoundly amusing that some people derive a sense of elitism from posting on a particular pseudonym over another. They are all alts, in the sense of alternative personalities.
Also things like this:
http://fiddlersedge.blogspot.com/2012/07/white-rose-conventicle.html
Sensible precautions, which some like to bait the practitioners by calling "fear". It's not fear when we lock our front door when leaving our residences nor when we buckle up our seat belts in our cars. Its taking sensible precautions. All the name calling and baiting is designed to get you to abandon sense and do something that leaves you unnecessarily vulnerable.
So:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:As a general rule, I do not post on my main. I don't need crazy following me into the game. If I was required to post on my main, I'd stop posting.
When a topic has relevance to stuff doing in game I do frequently post with a "main". But when discussing game balance or other activity that has zero to do with in-game activity and it makes no sense to expose that character and corp mates; posting on an alt that has no in game presence at risk makes more sense.
After all ideas to improve the game should stand or fall on their own merit.
So I say, post with your alt unless you have reason to otherwise. A little moderation of the moderation? CCP & CCL please reply to: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1552432#post1552432
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Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:15:00 -
[162] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: Considering I've schooled you in almost all discussions, that doesn't bode well for your understanding of law. Then I'm sure we're all waiting for your goonwiki webcache evidence with baited breath. It should be quite simple for you to prove me wrong if you've been telling the truth. Just fyi, the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. And besides, it's more fun to watch you keep slandering yourself time and time again while trying to slander goons, four years after you claim it happened.
Of course, you'll do all this while claiming we're the ones taking the game too seriously, while most goons wouldn't even have known about your supposed past until you rub it in everyone's faces. Repeatedly. In public. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:19:00 -
[163] - Quote
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Then I'm sure we're all waiting for your goonwiki webcache evidence with baited breath. It should be quite simple for you to prove me wrong if you've been telling the truth. Actually, no one but you really cares about this. Also confirming that Zim is completely correct in that you are the one making you look bad.
Nice demonstration of alt use to support one's own argument for the thread
But really, "zim" cannot be correct unless he proves his earlier assertion that the goon wiki mirror at http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Main_Page.html was not at one point an accurate copy of the goonwiki at the current site. I think he's currently claiming the crackerjax mirror is a complete fabrication (which is a pretty tinfoily thing to say) but it should be possible for him to demonstrate the truth of his words by a webcache of the goon-controlled site that shows a different content.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:21:00 -
[164] - Quote
Hang on while I make up a wiki and put it up somewhere, then I'll put up slander about myself and claim it's actually something Jade has written and put up on his wiki.
Proof? I don't need no proof, it's on the internet, that's all the proof you need. |
Price Check Aisle3
147
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:23:00 -
[165] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Nice demonstration of alt use to support one's own argument for the thread Jesus, does anyone read sigs? First DMC, now you... I also answered why on the first page.
If it was, at one point, an accurate copy, so what? As I understand, it was originally a private site so they can say whatever the **** they want on it; it's entirely for their members. - Karl Hobb IATS |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
92
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:24:00 -
[166] - Quote
Paranoia, plain and simple. I've got it in spades IRL and Eve only exacerbates it. Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |
None ofthe Above
294
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:28:00 -
[167] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:Paranoia, plain and simple. I've got it in spades IRL and Eve only exacerbates it.
I like to call that "sufficiently paranoid" A little moderation of the moderation? CCP & CCL please reply to: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1552432#post1552432
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:28:00 -
[168] - Quote
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Nice demonstration of alt use to support one's own argument for the thread Jesus, does anyone read sigs? First DMC, now you... I also answered why on the first page. If it was, at one point, an accurate copy, so what? As I understand, it was originally a private site so they can say whatever the **** they want on it; it's entirely for their members.
If it was an accurate copy then it means "zim" has been telling fibs on this thread. He's basically saying the crackerjax one was not an accurate mirror and denying the page slandering me there with a RL picture was present in the goon original.
Now he decided to come clean and post "hey it was a private site and we can post what the heck we want about other eve players there" then that's one thing.
I might still take exception to the criminal slander of course, but at least there wouldn't be so much lying about the situation.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
778
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:29:00 -
[169] - Quote
What is an Alt poast please ?
Serioulsy though, trolling, anonymity, paranoia, lots of other reasons, all of these ?
Who knows.
Personally, I read posts made by Alt's far less seriously than posts made by known players ingame, that's a fact.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
177
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:33:00 -
[170] - Quote
None ofthe Above wrote:I find it profoundly amusing that some people derive a sense of elitism from posting on a particular pseudonym over another. They are all alts, in the sense of alternative personalities.
This, +100. The whole notion of "mains" is ludicrous, and wholly irrelevent except to those that paid billions for a toon in the Character Bazaar (says the ALT who regularly builds and sells toons on the Bazaar). Never bought a toon in my life, although I have sold more than a few. ;-) |
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Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
241
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:37:00 -
[171] - Quote
A few of us were having a pretty trolly arguement about the war with Star Fraction. Someone was claiming the war went mutual at some point, but none of us could find a mutual declaration. So instead of doing any real work, would you like to clear that up for us Jade? I'm pretty sure that you didn't declare mutual. |
Price Check Aisle3
148
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:39:00 -
[172] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:He's basically saying the crackerjax one was not an accurate mirror Well, the proof is (ostensibly) on a private site so there's no real way for you to disprove him. Might as well quit spamming the slanderous link and making yourself look bad.
Jade Constantine wrote:I might still take exception to the criminal slander of course, but at least there wouldn't be so much lying about the situation. If it's a private site there's nothing to take exception to. - Karl Hobb IATS |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1371
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:39:00 -
[173] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:A few of us were having a pretty trolly arguement about the war with Star Fraction. Someone was claiming the war went mutual at some point, but none of us could find a mutual declaration. So instead of doing any real work, would you like to clear that up for us Jade? I'm pretty sure that you didn't declare mutual. He did not. Mutual wars cannot have allies for the defender, as there is no "defender". Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:39:00 -
[174] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:If it was an accurate copy then it means "zim" has been telling fibs on this thread. I have not.
Jade Constantine wrote:He's basically saying the crackerjax one was not an accurate mirror and denying the page slandering me there with a RL picture was present in the goon original. What I'm saying is that the crackerjax site isn't a goon site, and I'm not going to vouch in any way, shape or form for its content, and that for all we know it's something you've fabricated to slander goonswarm over something you claim happened 4 years ago.
Do you have proof?
Jade Constantine wrote:Now he decided to come clean and post "hey it was a private site and we can post what the heck we want about other eve players there" then that's one thing. Oh, and just FYI, that's not my alt. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
241
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Posted - 2012.07.05 21:21:00 -
[175] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: It's almost as if you want to be associated with those things. What "things" are you talking about here "zim"? Because I'm saying that yes, Goonswarm did host several websites that were linked from poison-pen letters sent to my RL employers with the express intent of getting me fired from my job. And you guys do still host a goonwiki that has my RL photograph alongside an allegation of child-sex abuse. Nobody sensible "wants" to be associated with these things, and I think no gamer really wants to be associated with a community that makes and sustains such allegations to "win" in-game political campaigns either. How about you remove the websites in question and perhaps we can all stop talking about these things?
Prove that the Website exists and further prove that it is hosted or otherwise controlled by Goonswarm leadership or members.
You are making the allegation. The burden of proof is on you.
crackerjax.org Doesn't look like a GSF site to me. Looks like it's owned by an anonymous user of some Canadian Registrar.
Goonfleet.com's owned by an anonymous user of GoDaddy.com, as is Goonswarm.com. Why would they use a Canadian registrar when they already have a relationship with america's worst registrar? -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
241
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Posted - 2012.07.05 21:30:00 -
[176] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Price Check Aisle3 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Then I'm sure we're all waiting for your goonwiki webcache evidence with baited breath. It should be quite simple for you to prove me wrong if you've been telling the truth. Actually, no one but you really cares about this. Also confirming that Zim is completely correct in that you are the one making you look bad. Nice demonstration of alt use to support one's own argument for the thread But really, "zim" cannot be correct unless he proves his earlier assertion that the goon wiki mirror at http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Main_Page.html was not at one point an accurate copy of the goonwiki at the current site. I think he's currently claiming the crackerjax mirror is a complete fabrication (which is a pretty tinfoily thing to say) but it should be possible for him to demonstrate the truth of his words by a webcache of the goon-controlled site that shows a different content.
I'm just gonna drop these here, since you don't seem to understand the concept:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof#Holder_of_the_burden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Deriah Book
Fox Clan Inari Kimon
15
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:03:00 -
[177] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So, with that in mind, I would like to ask: Why do you alt post?
To start with, I have only one account. I'm getting the impression that an 'alt' is a second or later account? Or does a non-primary character on one's only account count?
If it's the latter, then I will be perfectly honest and say that the reason I post under Deriah is that when I logged onto Eve forums for the first time I entered my password and Deriah was first in cue. I simply clicked my way forward without thinking about which character was being represented because... believe it or not, all of my Eve characters represent ME without discrepancy.
So, if this is an 'alt' there is your reason for the first post. Now the question is: Why do I continue to post with Deriah?
After establishing an "e-Personality" with Deriah I found no reason to cloud the issue by introducing my 'main'. I would like to further address the OP by saying that you may as well take Deriah seriously. At the very least as seriously as you would take my main's or even my own opinion. There is no difference in the three. Because, as I have stated previously, all of my Eve characters represent me without discrepancy. The reason I can say this with confidence may come as a shockingly obvious surprise.... All of my Eve characters, including those that will be on separate accounts in the future, are actually all...
Wait for it....
Me.
Hi. I'm Mark.
There is no Deriah. It's a fictional character made up of statistics and pixels. Granted, all those characteristics were initiated by me, Mark. I am not fictional. But Deriah, largely, is.
Just on the off chance that you are not completely familiar with how this process works: Deriah actually cannot, and does not, post on these forums. I, Mark, am doing all the posting.
So, how could you care which Eve character is in the upper left corner of the post here? It's me. It's always me. It can't be any other person than me.
Me? I, personally, don't take you all that seriously. Main or no. I hope you don't take that personally.
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Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:05:00 -
[178] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:You hear it all the time. "Post with your main". I know I do, and I have good reasons for doing so. The main one is building an "e-Personality".
Good luck with your e-Personality thingy... hope it serves you well. Meanwhile in real life... ...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |
Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:06:00 -
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Deriah Book wrote:To start with, I have only one account. I'm getting the impression that an 'alt' is a second or later account? Or does a non-primary character on one's only account count? Yes, it's got nothing to do with accounts, it's all about alternative characters. |
Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:09:00 -
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George Whitebread wrote:I have no alts. All my characters are my main character.
Besides, when discussing on a forum, people should reply to the post/argument - not the avatar. It's the same RL person behind my arguments no matter what character I'm posting with anyway.
AKA: Ad-hominem Avoidance, if we want to get technical. |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:11:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Price Check Aisle3 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Nice demonstration of alt use to support one's own argument for the thread Jesus, does anyone read sigs? First DMC, now you... I also answered why on the first page. If it was, at one point, an accurate copy, so what? As I understand, it was originally a private site so they can say whatever the **** they want on it; it's entirely for their members. If it was an accurate copy then it means "zim" has been telling fibs on this thread. He's basically saying the crackerjax one was not an accurate mirror and denying the page slandering me there with a RL picture was present in the goon original. Now he decided to come clean and post "hey it was a private site and we can post what the heck we want about other eve players there" then that's one thing. I might still take exception to the criminal slander of course, but at least there wouldn't be so much lying about the situation.
I can accurately say for sure that what is contained on that crackerjax site as of this posting is not what has been on your Goonwiki page for the last few months at least. The one on the Goonwiki page is much more "entertaining" because it has a few choice quotes by you about "Goons cosplaying as bees" or something like that.
But i really don't know who owns that crackerjax site. I can't say for sure it isn't owned by a Goon, but i do know that no one has come forward to claim it.
How hey, some poking around on the crackerjax.org site about you that you linked earlier in the thread shows this:
Quote:This page was last modified on 25 March 2009, at 22:31. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:13:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:What I'm saying is that the crackerjax site isn't a goon site, and I'm not going to vouch in any way, shape or form for its content, and that for all we know it's something you've fabricated to slander goonswarm over something you claim happened 4 years ago.
So you should be able to answer the question I asked you regarding the content of this allegedly "non goon site" as to whether it accurately replicates "mirrors" the official goon wiki up to a certain date. Ask around, ask your fellow goons, by all means produce some evidence by way of a web-cached copy or the edit notes on the actual page on the goon wiki. In fact anything other than simply claiming its some kind of strange conspiracy and pretending such a site appears from nothing.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:15:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Price Check Aisle3 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Nice demonstration of alt use to support one's own argument for the thread Jesus, does anyone read sigs? First DMC, now you... I also answered why on the first page. If it was, at one point, an accurate copy, so what? As I understand, it was originally a private site so they can say whatever the **** they want on it; it's entirely for their members. If it was an accurate copy then it means "zim" has been telling fibs on this thread. He's basically saying the crackerjax one was not an accurate mirror and denying the page slandering me there with a RL picture was present in the goon original. Now he decided to come clean and post "hey it was a private site and we can post what the heck we want about other eve players there" then that's one thing. I might still take exception to the criminal slander of course, but at least there wouldn't be so much lying about the situation. I can accurately say for sure that what is contained on that crackerjax site as of this posting is not what has been on your Goonwiki page for the last few months at least. The one on the Goonwiki page is much more "entertaining" because it has a few choice quotes by you about "Goons cosplaying as bees" or something like that.
Can you answer the question I asked of "zim" though. Does the "crackerjax site" represent an accurate picture of how the goonwiki site used to look at some point in the past? If you can't answer the question can you produce a goonswarm character who does remember looking at it perhaps?
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:18:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:
Can you answer the question I asked of "zim" though. Does the "crackerjax site" represent an accurate picture of how the goonwiki site used to look at some point in the past? If you can't answer the question can you produce a goonswarm character who does remember looking at it perhaps?
Why would i give out non-public information from our wiki and risk myself getting banned? Why would Zim?
Edit: Also, you can stop saying "Zim". Zim is a main. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:22:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
Can you answer the question I asked of "zim" though. Does the "crackerjax site" represent an accurate picture of how the goonwiki site used to look at some point in the past? If you can't answer the question can you produce a goonswarm character who does remember looking at it perhaps?
Why would i give out non-public information from our wiki and risk myself getting banned? Why would Zim? Edit: Also, you can stop saying "Zim". Zim is a main.
I don't really understand why you would risk getting banned simply for confirming that a public mirror of a private website contained an accurate copy of a website designed to smear an enemy player at some point in the past.
As for "zim" - he's already confirmed he's an alt. His main character is a mass fleet fight character in the CFC. I use the quotes to denote this so that its clear I don't afford this current posting identity particular status or recognition as an individual eve player. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
244
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:29:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote:What I'm saying is that the crackerjax site isn't a goon site, and I'm not going to vouch in any way, shape or form for its content, and that for all we know it's something you've fabricated to slander goonswarm over something you claim happened 4 years ago. So you should be able to answer the question I asked you regarding the content of this allegedly "non goon site" as to whether it accurately replicates "mirrors" the official goon wiki up to a certain date. Ask around, ask your fellow goons, by all means produce some evidence by way of a web-cached copy or the edit notes on the actual page on the goon wiki. In fact anything other than simply claiming its some kind of strange conspiracy and pretending such a site appears from nothing.
You still have not shown any evidence that Crackerjacks was at any point an accurate mirror of any other site, as you Claim.
You make the claim, You provide the evidence. -RubyPorto
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Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:29:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:So you should be able to answer the question I asked you regarding the content of this allegedly "non goon site" as to whether it accurately replicates "mirrors" the official goon wiki up to a certain date. Ask around, ask your fellow goons, by all means produce some evidence by way of a web-cached copy or the edit notes on the actual page on the goon wiki. In fact anything other than simply claiming its some kind of strange conspiracy and pretending such a site appears from nothing. How about you provide proof of what you claim goons have done to you, since you seem adamant to slander yourself in public, repeatedly, and then blame goonswarm?
Jade Constantine wrote:As for "zim" - he's already confirmed he's an alt. Nope.
Jade Constantine wrote:His main character is a mass fleet fight character in the CFC. Nope.
Jade Constantine wrote:I use the quotes to denote this so that its clear I don't afford this current posting identity particular status or recognition as an individual eve player. You do realize that you look like a petulent child when you do this, right? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:40:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:So you should be able to answer the question I asked you regarding the content of this allegedly "non goon site" as to whether it accurately replicates "mirrors" the official goon wiki up to a certain date. Ask around, ask your fellow goons, by all means produce some evidence by way of a web-cached copy or the edit notes on the actual page on the goon wiki. In fact anything other than simply claiming its some kind of strange conspiracy and pretending such a site appears from nothing. How about you provide proof of what you claim goons have done to you, since you seem adamant to slander yourself in public, repeatedly, and then blame goonswarm? Jade Constantine wrote:As for "zim" - he's already confirmed he's an alt. Nope. Jade Constantine wrote:His main character is a mass fleet fight character in the CFC. Nope. Jade Constantine wrote:I use the quotes to denote this so that its clear I don't afford this current posting identity particular status or recognition as an individual eve player. You do realize that you look like a petulent child when you do this, right?
Or a self-flagellating BDSM/Public Humiliation freak. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Price Check Aisle3
148
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Posted - 2012.07.05 23:09:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:confirming that a public mirror of a private website contained an accurate copy of a website designed to smear an enemy player at some point in the past. Designed to smear an enemy privately. If it's such a big deal now that it's out in the open, you need to contact the maintainer of the mirror site because the Goons likely have nothing to do with it. - Karl Hobb IATS |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
182
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Posted - 2012.07.05 23:26:00 -
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I post with my main mostly, sometimes I'll altpost, but all of my alts are in GSF so it's not like I'm trying to hide alliegences, if I altpost it's to troll.
People who exclusively altpost are likely all dropouts from the H Ratli Smirks School of Good Posting. |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.05 23:36:00 -
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Triskian wrote:
People who exclusively altpost are likely all dropouts from the H Ratli Smirks School of Good Posting.
FYP Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Sam Ruger
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.07.05 23:44:00 -
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Linna Excel wrote:Because this was my first char and I was too lazy to pick another to post with?
I'm glad I'm not the only one that lazy. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
549
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Posted - 2012.07.05 23:53:00 -
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My accounts keep getting banned. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2012.07.05 23:54:00 -
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To respond to the OP:
I started alt posting due to taking the reputation of this game perhaps a bit too seriously in some respects. The "harsh cruel universe" that is eve was never the drawing point for me to this game and as such I became rather paranoid that my opinions would be rather unpopular and prone to retaliation in the infamous meta game.
By the time my fears proved to be not entirely justified I'd already associated my identity as a poster with this character and felt it would be detrimental to change since I did what to retain what little reputation I had accumulated. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.05 23:59:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Or a self-flagellating BDSM/Public Humiliation freak.
I notice you haven't answered my question.
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Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.05 23:59:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Or a self-flagellating BDSM/Public Humiliation freak. I notice you haven't answered my question. I notice you haven't provided any proof for your claims. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:00:00 -
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Price Check Aisle3 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:confirming that a public mirror of a private website contained an accurate copy of a website designed to smear an enemy player at some point in the past. Designed to smear an enemy privately. If it's such a big deal now that it's out in the open, you need to contact the maintainer of the mirror site because the Goons likely have nothing to do with it.
I think its highly unlikely that the "goons" have nothing to do with it - but rest assured I have contacted the domain provider with a complaint over the content of the site.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:01:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Or a self-flagellating BDSM/Public Humiliation freak. I notice you haven't answered my question. I notice you haven't provided any proof for your claims.
I'm asking you (and deadtear) a question. You can refuse to answer of course, but don't attempt to straw-man an evasion. That would be silly.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
550
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:03:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Or a self-flagellating BDSM/Public Humiliation freak. I notice you haven't answered my question. I notice you haven't provided any proof for your claims. I'm asking you (and deadtear) a question. You can refuse to answer of course, but don't attempt to straw-man an evasion. That would be silly.
I'll bet you and Xenuria get along real well. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:05:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Or a self-flagellating BDSM/Public Humiliation freak. I notice you haven't answered my question. I notice you haven't provided any proof for your claims. I'm asking you (and deadtear) a question. You can refuse to answer of course, but don't attempt to straw-man an evasion. That would be silly. I'll bet you and Xenuria get along real well.
I've never spoken to Xenuria. Know absolutely nothing about that person (and unlike certain goons I could mention) have no desire whatsoever to go hunting through somebodies facebook and rl dating records to e-stalk my way to an e-conviction for forum points.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
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Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:06:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Or a self-flagellating BDSM/Public Humiliation freak. I notice you haven't answered my question. I notice you haven't provided any proof for your claims. I'm asking you (and deadtear) a question. You can refuse to answer of course, but don't attempt to straw-man an evasion. That would be silly. So what you're saying is, when you keep slandering yourself and blaming us for something you claim happened 4 years ago, you have absolutely no proof, and as such GSF can claim that you're wilfully slandering us (and yourself)?
I see. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:12:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: So what you're saying is, when you keep slandering yourself and blaming us for something you claim happened 4 years ago, you have absolutely no proof, and as such GSF can claim that you're wilfully slandering us (and yourself)?I see.
On the contrary ... what I am saying is
Jade Constantine wrote:Can you answer the question I asked of "zim" though. Does the "crackerjax site" represent an accurate picture of how the goonwiki site used to look at some point in the past? If you can't answer the question can you produce a goonswarm character who does remember looking at it perhaps?
Its not a complicated question. Why not take a shot at answering it (or maybe ask a Goon character who can answer the question if you are claiming you didn't spent the last couple of years composing forum trolling from the cliff notes available at that post.) The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:18:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: So what you're saying is, when you keep slandering yourself and blaming us for something you claim happened 4 years ago, you have absolutely no proof, and as such GSF can claim that you're wilfully slandering us (and yourself)?I see. On the contrary ... what I am saying is that you're slandering yourself and claiming we did something 4 years ago, and have absolutely nothing to prove this, and as such are slandering our good name and reputation.
You're the accuser, provide proof. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:22:00 -
[204] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: So what you're saying is, when you keep slandering yourself and blaming us for something you claim happened 4 years ago, you have absolutely no proof, and as such GSF can claim that you're wilfully slandering us (and yourself)?I see. On the contrary ... what I am saying isJade Constantine wrote:Can you answer the question I asked of "zim" though. Does the "crackerjax site" represent an accurate picture of how the goonwiki site used to look at some point in the past? If you can't answer the question can you produce a goonswarm character who does remember looking at it perhaps? Its not a complicated question. Why not take a shot at answering it (or maybe ask a Goon character who can answer the question if you are claiming you didn't spent the last couple of years composing forum trolling from the cliff notes available at that post.)
Unless you have some evidence to suggest otherwise, there is a strong basis to assume that two sites on unrelated domain names, owned through unrelated registrars are in fact, unrelated.
For instance, even though yahoo.com and google.com have a similar piece of content in common, they're probably not related. -RubyPorto
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:22:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: You're the accuser, provide proof.
I'm asking you a question (its not a complicated one) answer it or not, public opinion will decide how credible you end up looking.
Jade Constantine wrote: Can you answer the question I asked of "zim" though. Does the "crackerjax site" represent an accurate picture of how the goonwiki site used to look at some point in the past? If you can't answer the question can you produce a goonswarm character who does remember looking at it perhaps?
At this stage failing to answer and flailing madly with evasions just makes you look like you have something to hide or be guilty about. Just come clean, be honest and answer the question.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:24:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: Unless you have some evidence to suggest otherwise, there is a strong basis to assume that two sites on unrelated domain names, owned through unrelated registrars are in fact, unrelated.
Nobody really gives that much credence to what an alt thinks (sorry to be blunt but there it is) I'm asking the guy a question. He can give a simple "yes" or "no" or even "I don't know" answer. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:25:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: You're the accuser, provide proof. I'm asking you a question (its not a complicated one) answer it or not, public opinion will decide how credible you end up looking. Jade Constantine wrote: Can you answer the question I asked of "zim" though. Does the "crackerjax site" represent an accurate picture of how the goonwiki site used to look at some point in the past? If you can't answer the question can you produce a goonswarm character who does remember looking at it perhaps? At this stage failing to answer and flailing madly with evasions just makes you look like you have something to hide or be guilty about. Just come clean, be honest and answer the question.
Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? If you want to compel someone to provide you with evidence, you have to come up with some basis for that evidence being likely to exist. -RubyPorto
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:27:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: Unless you have some evidence to suggest otherwise, there is a strong basis to assume that two sites on unrelated domain names, owned through unrelated registrars are in fact, unrelated. Nobody really gives that much credence to what an alt thinks (sorry to be blunt but there it is) I'm asking the guy a question. He can give a simple "yes" or "no" or even "I don't know" answer.
So that's a "No, I don't have any evidence to suggest otherwise," then? -RubyPorto
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:29:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? If you want to compel someone to provide you with evidence, you have to come up with some basis for that evidence being likely to exist.
I can't "compel" anyone to do anything on an internet forum. I can simply ask a reasonable question and if the question is not answered then people will draw certain conclusions from the failure to answer said question. Its not a complicated question. He can even say he doesn't have a clue and doesn't know!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
112
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:29:00 -
[210] - Quote
I was prepared to blame myself for derailing this thread, but in fact it is Lapine Davion's fault. For shame! Post with your main! |
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Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:30:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: You're the accuser, provide proof. I'm asking you a question (its not a complicated one) answer it or not, public opinion will decide how credible you end up looking. And I'm asking you a question, do you have proof of what you claim goonswarm did to you 4 years ago, or are you just slandering yourself to slander us?
Jade Constantine wrote:Nobody really gives that much credence to what an alt thinks (sorry to be blunt but there it is) I'm asking the guy a question. He can give a simple "yes" or "no" or even "I don't know" answer. The only one saying I'm an alt here, is you. And right now, watching you squirm desperately after an answer, while desperately avoiding providing proof of goonswarm even doing what you're slandering yourself to claim we did, is a lot more fun than actually giving an answer. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:31:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? If you want to compel someone to provide you with evidence, you have to come up with some basis for that evidence being likely to exist. I can't "compel" anyone to do anything on an internet forum. I can simply ask a reasonable question and if the question is not answered then people will draw certain conclusions from the failure to answer said question. Its not a complicated question. He can even say he doesn't have a clue and doesn't know!
I asked a simple question. Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? It's not a complicated question. -RubyPorto
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:32:00 -
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Only thing I'm interested in reading from you is an answer to my question or an admission that you simply "don't know."
Jade Constantine wrote:Can you answer the question I asked of "zim" though. Does the "crackerjax site" represent an accurate picture of how the goonwiki site used to look at some point in the past? If you can't answer the question can you produce a goonswarm character who does remember looking at it perhaps?
Do get on with i!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Betrinna Cantis
20
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:33:00 -
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hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:CEO rules. Does not want unnecessary attention drawn to the corp.
I'm sure there a plenty of others that post for anonymity, high profile people Sewell. Same
Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2584
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:34:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:I asked a simple question. Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? It's not a complicated question.
Post with your main and I'll be happy to answer your question!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:35:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Only thing I'm interested in reading from you is an answer to my question or an admission that you simply "don't know." Jade Constantine wrote:Can you answer the question I asked of "zim" though. Does the "crackerjax site" represent an accurate picture of how the goonwiki site used to look at some point in the past? If you can't answer the question can you produce a goonswarm character who does remember looking at it perhaps? Do get on with i! Guess I'll be having a chat with our lawyers about someone slandering us, then. I'm sure they'll giggle when we tell them you've basically been running a slander crusade against yourself at the same time. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2585
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:37:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: Guess I'll be having a chat with our lawyers about someone slandering us, then. I'm sure they'll giggle when we tell them you've basically been running a slander crusade against yourself at the same time.
So you'd rather talk to the goonswarm "lawyers" than answer my question. LOL - you guys, you make me laugh! Ah dear, I can't stay angry with such complete muppets for too long
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:40:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:I asked a simple question. Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? It's not a complicated question. Post with your main and I'll be happy to answer your question!
It goes clicky when I do that, but I've got him linked in my Sig. Why is it that you can't answer a simple question just because someone's main didn't ask it? -RubyPorto
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2585
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:51:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:I asked a simple question. Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? It's not a complicated question. Post with your main and I'll be happy to answer your question! It goes clicky when I do that, but I've got him linked in my Sig. Why is it that you can't answer a simple question just because someone's main didn't ask it?
Well mainly because one has to assume that npc alts are just spoiler characters on the side of the enemy. I honestly don't have much respect for players who hide their identity behind alts so don't take their questions as seriously as main characters.
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Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:53:00 -
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i refuse to alt post.
i'm too lazy to change the posting thingy to an alt.
being lazy, yeah! |
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:54:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:I asked a simple question. Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? It's not a complicated question. Post with your main and I'll be happy to answer your question! It goes clicky when I do that, but I've got him linked in my Sig. Why is it that you can't answer a simple question just because someone's main didn't ask it? Well mainly because one has to assume that npc alts are just spoiler characters on the side of the enemy. I honestly don't have much respect for players who hide their identity behind alts so don't take their questions as seriously as main characters.
Great. Then since my identity is established, feel free to answer the question. -RubyPorto
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2586
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:01:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:I asked a simple question. Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? It's not a complicated question. Post with your main and I'll be happy to answer your question! It goes clicky when I do that, but I've got him linked in my Sig. Why is it that you can't answer a simple question just because someone's main didn't ask it? Well mainly because one has to assume that npc alts are just spoiler characters on the side of the enemy. I honestly don't have much respect for players who hide their identity behind alts so don't take their questions as seriously as main characters. Great. Then since my identity is established, feel free to answer the question.
Sure post with your main and I'm happy too!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:05:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Well mainly because one has to assume that npc alts are just spoiler characters on the side of the enemy. I honestly don't have much respect for players who hide their identity behind alts so don't take their questions as seriously as main characters.
Great. Then since my identity is established, feel free to answer the question. Sure post with your main and I'm happy too!
No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established.
So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question;
Pipa Porto wrote:Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? -RubyPorto
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2586
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:09:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question
Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question.
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Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
241
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:14:00 -
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Jade needs to work on the tunnel vision. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:15:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question.
1) Waffles is most certainly not a member of the CFC. We're in (or at least associated with) the HoneyBadger Coalition. And since you seem to accept my identity, your concerns over sockpuppetry are allayed, and you can "Happily answer the question" 2) Why does the asker of what you admitted (through your happiness to answer) to be a simple question matter? 3) You started with an accusation (and then repeated and repeated it). Gotta show a factual basis for that before you get to go on a fishing expedition. -RubyPorto
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2586
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:21:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question. 1) Waffles is most certainly not a member of the CFC. We're in (or at least associated with) the HoneyBadger Coalition. And since you seem to accept my identity, your concerns over sockpuppetry are allayed, and you can "Happily answer the question" 2) Why does the asker of what you admitted (through your happiness to answer) to be a simple question matter? 3) You started with an accusation (and then repeated and repeated it). Gotta show a factual basis for that before you get to go on a fishing expedition.
I thought you guys were FC'ing for TEST. Means you are certainly CFC and by definition not neutral in any way shape or form. Like I said, get somebody else to post with their main.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
764
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:21:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question.
Not entirely sure what you two are arguing about now, but refusing to communicate with a member of a particular group based on the generalised actions of said group is a poor excuse. The group may influence the individual, but the individual remains precisely that, an individual and thus a discussion with that person is likely to involve said individuals own personal beliefs, rather than the generalised beliefs of the group.
tl;dr We are not Borg. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2586
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:26:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question. Not entirely sure what you two are arguing about now, but refusing to communicate with a member of a particular group based on the generalised actions of said group is a poor excuse. The group may influence the individual, but the individual remains precisely that, an individual and thus a discussion with that person is likely to involve said individuals own personal beliefs, rather than the generalised beliefs of the group. tl;dr We are not Borg.
That's not really the position. I'm saying I don't like having discussions with NPC corp alts. Since the CFC have 30,000+ accounts to post with I'm assuming at least some of them have some main characters to post with. (Of course the thing is this particular derail was spawned to take the pressure off "zim" so I'm not terribly inclined to play.)
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:37:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question. Not entirely sure what you two are arguing about now, but refusing to communicate with a member of a particular group based on the generalised actions of said group is a poor excuse. The group may influence the individual, but the individual remains precisely that, an individual and thus a discussion with that person is likely to involve said individuals own personal beliefs, rather than the generalised beliefs of the group. tl;dr We are not Borg. That's not really the position. I'm saying I don't like having discussions with NPC corp alts. Since the CFC have 30,000+ accounts to post with I'm assuming at least some of them have some main characters to post with. (Of course the thing is this particular derail was spawned to take the pressure off "zim" so I'm not terribly inclined to play.)
Like he said, neither the CFC nor their allies are the Borg.
I simply want you to explain what factual basis you have to ask the question, and now that you have accused me of Colluding with mister Zim, I'd like you to explain what factual basis you have to accuse me of collusion. -RubyPorto
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
768
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:46:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question. Not entirely sure what you two are arguing about now, but refusing to communicate with a member of a particular group based on the generalised actions of said group is a poor excuse. The group may influence the individual, but the individual remains precisely that, an individual and thus a discussion with that person is likely to involve said individuals own personal beliefs, rather than the generalised beliefs of the group. tl;dr We are not Borg. That's not really the position. I'm saying I don't like having discussions with NPC corp alts. Since the CFC have 30,000+ accounts to post with I'm assuming at least some of them have some main characters to post with. (Of course the thing is this particular derail was spawned to take the pressure off "zim" so I'm not terribly inclined to play.)
Jade, on this occasion I think it best to let it go. Everyone, including you, knows that Pipa is not just an NPC alt and is in fact Ruby's only way of posting, so using that as an excuse to be evasive will do nothing to help your cause nor win any argument.
And to be honest with all of you, I've seen you, Zim and Pipa/Ruby posting, and the more I read the harder it is to tell you all apart. You all use the same arguments and evasion tactics so often that you run the risk of blending in to one big and very odd forum troll. Not that its not a learning experience and a comedic one, just getting a little weird is all. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2586
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:47:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: Like he said, neither the CFC nor their allies are the Borg.
Ironically I think you are just like the borg. I see precious little demonstration of individuality from any of your members and I think you are pretty much programmed by the bias and opinions of your leadership. Case in point. The wiki page we are arguing about was posted onto the goon wiki with certain lies about my RL life and personality that has been uncritically regurgitated by literally hundreds of goons in the years since. Its very much like a form of cult programming in religious organizations - demonize through repetition and peer pressure.
Quote:I simply want you to explain what factual basis you have to ask the question, and now that you have accused me of Colluding with mister Zim, I'd like you to explain what factual basis you have to accuse me of collusion.
Problem is I literally don't recognize your individual right to ask a question of me. That's because you are not using a forum account with reputation and consequence. You could use that account to hurl invective, make up lies, say whatever you want and face no real negative outcomes because you literally don't care about it.
So I adopt a position of not granting your request because frankly I consider people posting with their mains have more credibility. Combine that with your admission that you got your main forum banned for bad-posting and frankly I think treating you seriously would be encouraging the wrong kind of behavior on the eve online forums. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1152
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:50:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Like he said, neither the CFC nor their allies are the Borg. Wouldn't want to assimilate those -A- FCs, wow.
Have you heard those soundclouds, sheesh. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2586
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:54:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Jade, on this occasion I think it best to let it go. Everyone, including you, knows that Pipa is not just an NPC alt and is in fact Ruby's only way of posting, so using that as an excuse to be evasive will do nothing to help your cause nor win any argument.
I'm really making it a point of principle. There is absolutely nothing to be evasive about on my side, you ask me the same question and I'm happy to give you an answer. (not that its a particularly difficult question)
Cutter Isaacson wrote:And to be honest with all of you, I've seen you, Zim and Pipa/Ruby posting, and the more I read the harder it is to tell you all apart. You all use the same arguments and evasion tactics so often that you run the risk of blending in to one big and very odd forum troll. Not that its not a learning experience and a comedic one, just getting a little weird is all.
Well I did have the weird feeling earlier that "zim" has kinda fallen in love with me - its like that awkward scene in a movie where a couple of jocks get into a wrestling match, turns into a clinch and then into smoldering glances from the gym mat. Ultimately though, it is a silly kind of forum warfare these guys try to pull - there is no place for rl personal attacks in eve online, as long as they keep it ingame there is no problem.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1152
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:58:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:1) Waffles is most certainly not a member of the CFC. We're in (or at least associated with) the HoneyBadger Coalition. And since you seem to accept my identity, your concerns over sockpuppetry are allayed, and you can "Happily answer the question" Oh, another Honeybadger.
Have you started looking at places in Delve etc and picked out a nice station to live in? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
555
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:59:00 -
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So the Borg aren't people now? Captain Picard would be dismayed to see your lack of humanity and compassion towards another race.
Alot of people alt post, just to give **** and troll people. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2587
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:02:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Alot of people alt post, just to give **** and troll people.
Pretty much my point.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
768
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:03:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: Like he said, neither the CFC nor their allies are the Borg. Ironically I think you are just like the borg. I see precious little demonstration of individuality from any of your members and I think you are pretty much programmed by the bias and opinions of your leadership. Case in point. The wiki page we are arguing about was posted onto the goon wiki with certain lies about my RL life and personality that has been uncritically regurgitated by literally hundreds of goons in the years since. Its very much like a form of cult programming in religious organizations - demonize through repetition and peer pressure. Quote:I simply want you to explain what factual basis you have to ask the question, and now that you have accused me of Colluding with mister Zim, I'd like you to explain what factual basis you have to accuse me of collusion. Problem is I literally don't recognize your individual right to ask a question of me. That's because you are not using a forum account with reputation and consequence. You could use that account to hurl invective, make up lies, say whatever you want and face no real negative outcomes because you literally don't care about it. So I adopt a position of not granting your request because frankly I consider people posting with their mains have more credibility. Combine that with your admission that you got your main forum banned for bad-posting and frankly I think treating you seriously would be encouraging the wrong kind of behavior on the eve online forums.
A wise man knows when to listen.
M. Scott Peck wrote: "An essential part of true listening is the discipline of bracketing, the temporary giving up or setting aside of one's own prejudices, frames of reference and desires so as to experience as far as possible the speaker's world from the inside, step inside his or her shoes. This unification of speaker and listener is actually an extension and enlargement of ourselves, and new knowledge is always gained from this. Moreover, since true listening involves bracketing, a setting aside of the self, it also temporarily involves a total acceptance of the other. Sensing this acceptance, the speaker will feel less and less vulnerable and more and more inclined to open up the inner recesses of his or her mind to the listener. As this happens, speaker and listener begin to appreciate each other more and more, and the duet dance of love is begun again."
A lot of people, probably myself included, could learn something from this.
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Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:10:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question. And I see no point in providing you with an answer, since you'll just keep on posting exactly the same slander anyways, just like you did when 1.1 was announced and CCP, CSM and various goon directors said that no, we weren't afraid of you, no, we hadn't whined to CCP and no, CCP hadn't made any changes or begun planning any changes based on goon input. Even mittani tweeted about it, saying he would've had all of hisec wardecced if he could, and still you yammered on and on about how goons controlled CCP.
As for you, you've been claiming, repeatedly, and in every thread you can find that we've done something to you 4 years ago. You've provided no proof of any of this, all you've done is things like claim "I've been accused of RL prostitution, child pornography and child-sex abuse" and throw out a link to a site (with what can only be called a shady hostname of "crackerjax.org"), and call that proof.
Trouble is, nobody knows who owns it, who put it there, if it's been modified or fabricated, and in any case it doesn't even mention RL prostitution, child pornography or child-sex abuse, so god knows where you've gotten those ideas from or why you're so hellbent on seeing what our wiki actually contains (hint: you're not getting it, certainly not from me. Watching you squirm is more fun.).
I've no idea who the picture is of, either. You keep claiming it's you, but I've yet to see any evidence of that, so I'll take that with a pinch of salt as well. I've even asked you before where anyone of us (not you, us) linked anyone to a page which accuses you of RL prostitution, child pornography, child-sex abuse and shows your picture. It was completely ignored, so I can only assume that you're making that up as well, which just makes this whole process ever weirder, because the only one that's been slandering you by claiming you've been accused of RL prostitution, child pornography and child-sex abuse is ... you.
Jade Constantine wrote:I'm really making it a point of principle. There is absolutely nothing to be evasive about on my side, you ask me the same question and I'm happy to give you an answer. (not that its a particularly difficult question) So where's your proof, then? |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
769
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:15:00 -
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Perhaps you lot could take this to OOPE and make your own thread there, rather than de-railing someone else's thread and risk getting it locked. Lets have a some common decency here eh? Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2587
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:15:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: And I see no point in providing you with an answer
Probably because you are scared.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2587
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:22:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Perhaps you lot could take this to OOPE and make your own thread there, rather than de-railing someone else's thread and risk getting it locked. Lets have a some common decency here eh?
The more sensible thing would be for "zim" and his ilk to do their own thing and stop trying to harass other players with ooc accusations and shady unpleasantness. But that's not going to happen because the "great leader" mittani commanded his servants to troll the infidel and trolling the infidel became their holy mission.
Seriously - I have no real interest routinely interacting with the like's of "zim" on eve-online forums but a moment's glance through the guys posting history will reveal he is seriously committed to stalking my threads and general posting. Have a read back on how this discussion started on this thread for object example.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
gulftobay
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:23:00 -
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I'm seriously beginning to get creeped out by metagaming issues raised in this thread, whether true or not I'll err on the side of caution on controversial topics.
Low self-esteem?-á Bored?-á-áLonely?-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1152
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:24:00 -
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gulftobay wrote:I'm seriously beginning to get creeped out by metagaming issues raised in this thread, whether true or not I'll err on the side of caution on controversial topics. Just keep posting, so it'll stay on the first page. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:26:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:I was prepared to blame myself for derailing this thread, but in fact it is Lapine Davion's fault. For shame! Post with your main!
I've posted with my main a few times. He's not a ginger though, so doesn't accurately reflect my attitudes or feelings. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:26:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Probably because you are scared. Yep. Scared, just like I were during the war against you in hisec. The war I learned through your whining on the forums after CCP announced the 1.1 changes. The war which supposedly was so scary to our leaders that we whined to CCP to get the mechanics fixed, and yet we, CCP, CSM said that you were wrong, and even mittani (whom you said were so scared shitless at the mere thought of losing a few ships) tweeted that he wished we could've had all of hisec wardecced.
Jade Constantine wrote:The more sensible thing would be for "zim" and his ilk to do their own thing and stop trying to harass other players with ooc accusations and shady unpleasantness. Says the guy who's been harassing himself by slandering his own name loudly and repeatedly, by pointing to some website and claiming it's proof of things which the site doesn't even mention, just to try to get at goonswarm.
The word for that behavior is: creepy. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:27:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Perhaps you lot could take this to OOPE and make your own thread there, rather than de-railing someone else's thread and risk getting it locked. Lets have a some common decency here eh? The more sensible thing would be for "zim" and his ilk to do their own thing and stop trying to harass other players with ooc accusations and shady unpleasantness. But that's not going to happen because the "great leader" mittani commanded his servants to troll the infidel and trolling the infidel became their holy mission. Seriously - I have no real interest routinely interacting with the like's of "zim" on eve-online forums but a moment's glance through the guys posting history will reveal he is seriously committed to stalking my threads and general posting. Have a read back on how this discussion started on this thread for object example.
Haha, but see you brought this up first. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:27:00 -
[248] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The more sensible thing would be for "zim" and his ilk to do their own thing and stop trying to harass other players with ooc accusations and shady unpleasantness. Says the guy who's been harassing himself by slandering his own name loudly and repeatedly, by pointing to some website and claiming it's proof of things which the site doesn't even mention, just to try to get at goonswarm. The word for that behavior is: creepy.
Actually, the phrase for that behavior is: public humiliation.
It's real, you can find it on wikipedia. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
769
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:28:00 -
[249] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Perhaps you lot could take this to OOPE and make your own thread there, rather than de-railing someone else's thread and risk getting it locked. Lets have a some common decency here eh? The more sensible thing would be for "zim" and his ilk to do their own thing and stop trying to harass other players with ooc accusations and shady unpleasantness. But that's not going to happen because the "great leader" mittani commanded his servants to troll the infidel and trolling the infidel became their holy mission. Seriously - I have no real interest routinely interacting with the like's of "zim" on eve-online forums but a moment's glance through the guys posting history will reveal he is seriously committed to stalking my threads and general posting. Have a read back on how this discussion started on this thread for object example.
How it begins is of no consequence Jade. I respect the fact that you feel aggrieved, but the excuse of "He/They started it" is still no defence. If they continue to post off topic or make personal attacks then they will be dealt with, but aggravating a situation whilst in someone else's thread is still rather insulting. As I am sure your parents once said, much as my own mother did, take the higher ground and ignore them. If you do not wish to ignore them then you are as well versed in the options option to you as I am.
Do not take this as me siding with you or them, I am merely looking at this from the point of view of the numerous people who's threads have been derailed by what appears to be an endless argument between the same two or three people. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
506
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:28:00 -
[250] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: And I see no point in providing you with an answer
Probably because you are scared.
I have to admit, you scary. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
769
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:29:00 -
[251] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The more sensible thing would be for "zim" and his ilk to do their own thing and stop trying to harass other players with ooc accusations and shady unpleasantness. Says the guy who's been harassing himself by slandering his own name loudly and repeatedly, by pointing to some website and claiming it's proof of things which the site doesn't even mention, just to try to get at goonswarm. The word for that behavior is: creepy.
Zim, seriously, take this to OOPE where it belongs and stop derailing other peoples threads with this. It really isn't fair on people who's threads get locked for going off topic because other people don't know when to stop. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:31:00 -
[252] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Actually, the phrase for that behavior is: public humiliation.
It's real, you can find it on wikipedia. If it had been him actually humiliating someone else, sure. Him humiliating himself? Weird, bordering on creepy. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
476
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:32:00 -
[253] - Quote
Guys.
Guys!
Errrrrm...Guys?
It is just a video-game.
Isn't it? In irae, veritas. |
Drakarin
Omnitech Corporation Wonder Kids
11
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:32:00 -
[254] - Quote
Because I don't use alts. |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:35:00 -
[255] - Quote
Replying to the OP: I alt post because my main was permanently banned from posting on the Eve-O forums in 2008. I have since developed a posting main which I then cashed in and now post on this particular alt. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1152
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:45:00 -
[256] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Guys.
Guys!
Errrrrm...Guys?
It is just a video-game.
Isn't it? EVE is real.
I was there.
... on the General Discussion forums. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2587
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:59:00 -
[257] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:Do not take this as me siding with you or them, I am merely looking at this from the point of view of the numerous people who's threads have been derailed by what appears to be an endless argument between the same two or three people.
Sadly yes, it is a bit of an eternal argument - in the days before the internet this kind of thing would have been resolved with a fight behind the bikesheds or a swift kicking on the waste ground beside the public house. But the world of international MMO's has heralded a wondrous new era of consequence-free unpleasantness where people feel entitled to says things that would have gotten them soundly thrashed in the decades before. But that I imagine is what they call progress.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
770
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Posted - 2012.07.06 03:00:00 -
[258] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Do not take this as me siding with you or them, I am merely looking at this from the point of view of the numerous people who's threads have been derailed by what appears to be an endless argument between the same two or three people. Sadly yes, it is a bit of an eternal argument - in the days before the internet this kind of thing would have been resolved with a fight behind the bikesheds or a swift kicking on the waste ground beside the public house. But the world of international MMO's has heralded a wondrous new era of consequence-free unpleasantness where people feel entitled to says things that would have gotten them soundly thrashed in the decades before. But that I imagine is what they call progress.
So how about progressing this a little further and taking it out of this persons thread before it gets locked eh? Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
248
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Posted - 2012.07.06 03:00:00 -
[259] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I'm really making it a point of principle. There is absolutely nothing to be evasive about on my side, you ask me the same question and I'm happy to give you an answer. (not that its a particularly difficult question) So where's your proof, then?
There you go, you've been asked by someone's main.
Jade Constantine wrote:Sure post with your main and I'm happy too!
You said you'd be happy to answer if asked by a Main.
Jade Constantine wrote:I'm really making it a point of principle. There is absolutely nothing to be evasive about on my side, you ask me the same question and I'm happy to give you an answer. (not that its a particularly difficult question)
And you indicated that whose main you were asked by didn't much matter.
So, to remind you, the question:
Pipa Porto wrote:Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for?
Go ahead, and do be prepared to show your work. -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2588
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Posted - 2012.07.06 03:06:00 -
[260] - Quote
wrote:Pipa Porto There you go, you've been asked by someone's main.
Well he (in particular) does need to answer the question I asked him first of course. I'm hardly likely to pay him the respect of giving him an answer while he's still dodging and wriggling the question I asked him first am I ? The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
555
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Posted - 2012.07.06 03:15:00 -
[261] - Quote
I want to see homework, I want to see homework. Make this thread worth coming to. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
None ofthe Above
299
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Posted - 2012.07.06 03:16:00 -
[262] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Do not take this as me siding with you or them, I am merely looking at this from the point of view of the numerous people who's threads have been derailed by what appears to be an endless argument between the same two or three people. Sadly yes, it is a bit of an eternal argument - in the days before the internet this kind of thing would have been resolved with a fight behind the bikesheds or a swift kicking on the waste ground beside the public house. But the world of international MMO's has heralded a wondrous new era of consequence-free unpleasantness where people feel entitled to says things that would have gotten them soundly thrashed in the decades before. But that I imagine is what they call progress. So how about progressing this a little further and taking it out of this persons thread before it gets locked eh?
Hence the problem with that policy. Maybe that needs to be rethunk?
Seriously guys, you all look terribad at this point. Pipa/Ruby, Zim, Alavaria (yes I see that in your sig), Lapine AND Jade.
You've been mud wrestling for pages now and you are all dirty.
Cutter is right, Its pretty rude to dump this in this thread. A little moderation of the moderation? CCP & CCL please reply to: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1552432#post1552432
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1372
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Posted - 2012.07.06 03:45:00 -
[263] - Quote
None ofthe Above wrote:Cutter is right, Its pretty rude to dump this in this thread. To be honest, I pretty much expected someone would dump in this thread when I posted it, and I knew "I hate Goonswarm" would be involved in one way or another. Jade was a surprise, though. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
476
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Posted - 2012.07.06 04:32:00 -
[264] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Guys.
Guys!
Errrrrm...Guys?
It is just a video-game.
Isn't it? EVE is real. I was there. ... on the General Discussion forums.
Forum PvP = end-game PvP!
In irae, veritas. |
Benjamin Eastwood
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.07.06 04:52:00 -
[265] - Quote
The anonymity is nice. Not having to watch what you say because of a potential fireball exploding is kinda fun too. I wouldn't knock people who post with their main's or alt's for legitimate conversations, but it's not sensible for some people to do so, especially if their main is in a position where everything they say seems like a) gospel or b) a press release. Forum trolls will be forum trolls, "main" or otherwise, you're not going to stop it by telling someone to man-up over the internet. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
262
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Posted - 2012.07.06 05:33:00 -
[266] - Quote
I don't have a main. I have several mains used in almost equal measure.
Which one do I post with? All of them? Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2012.07.06 05:35:00 -
[267] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: wrote:Pipa Porto There you go, you've been asked by someone's main. Well he (in particular) does need to answer the question I asked him first of course. I'm hardly likely to pay him the respect of giving him an answer while he's still dodging and wriggling the question I asked him first am I ?
You mean this post?
Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote: You really aren't all that special except for the La Maison stuff ... And the irony being your directors made up the "La Maison stuff" / allegations of RL prostitution / child pornography etc simply to try to smear an internet spaceship election campaign and try to lose an eve player their RL job. You guys went as far as creating fake websites, erotic fan fiction and a rl letter writing campaign - you were pretty damned serious about it.
That's the allegation you're being asked to prove. Linking a site does nothing to prove that, unless you can prove the provenance.
You allege the Following, long before you asked Zim any questions: 1) Goonswarm Directors created the following a) La Maison b) RL Prostitution/CP claims c) websites that purported to be under your control, including Erotic Fan Fiction d) administered a letter writing campaign 2) they did this with the intention to make your CSM campaign fail 3) they did this with the intention to make you lose your job
TBH, I've seen no evidence that they created anything. They may be culpable in continued hosting of La Maison (whoever created it)*, but that's all I've ever seen you prove.
*Hosting it's in poor taste if it's without any provenance (and I haven't really looked for any).
PS: While I grant that someone else brought up La Maison, you are the only one who I've ever seen bring up references to RL prostitution/cp in any thread, and you did bring up (for no apparent reason, this purported GSF hatred of you) before that. -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
343
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Posted - 2012.07.06 05:54:00 -
[268] - Quote
Because my views, and those of my corp may differ from time to time, and I have no wish to bring the 'wrong' sort of attention to them.
Also, it gives the goons something to whinge about. You want fries with that? |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
30
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:00:00 -
[269] - Quote
Always post with main.
Whats the point of pissing people off if they don't know who pissed them off? Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
68
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:07:00 -
[270] - Quote
I post with my surrogate. |
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
343
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:10:00 -
[271] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:And some people can't post responsibly at all.
Stop putting yourself down.
One day you will make a post without managing to sound hurt and angry You want fries with that? |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
344
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:29:00 -
[272] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: wrote:Pipa Porto There you go, you've been asked by someone's main. Well he (in particular) does need to answer the question I asked him first of course. I'm hardly likely to pay him the respect of giving him an answer while he's still dodging and wriggling the question I asked him first am I ? You mean this post? Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote: You really aren't all that special except for the La Maison stuff ... And the irony being your directors made up the "La Maison stuff" / allegations of RL prostitution / child pornography etc simply to try to smear an internet spaceship election campaign and try to lose an eve player their RL job. You guys went as far as creating fake websites, erotic fan fiction and a rl letter writing campaign - you were pretty damned serious about it. That's the allegation you're being asked to prove. Linking a site does nothing to prove that, unless you can prove the provenance. You allege the Following, long before you asked Zim any questions: 1) Goonswarm Directors created the following a) La Maison b) RL Prostitution/CP claims c) websites that purported to be under your control, including Erotic Fan Fiction d) administered a letter writing campaign 2) they did this with the intention to make your CSM campaign fail 3) they did this with the intention to make you lose your job TBH, I've seen no evidence that they created anything. They may be culpable in continued hosting of La Maison (whoever created it)*, but that's all I've ever seen you prove. *Hosting it's in poor taste if it's without any provenance (and I haven't really looked for any). PS: While I grant that someone else brought up La Maison, you are the only one who I've ever seen bring up references to RL prostitution/cp in any thread, and you did bring up (for no apparent reason, this purported GSF hatred of you) before that.
All it would take to settle this horrible affair, would be for mittens to issue a statement saying that the goons have never had anything to do with this issue in any way shape or form.
Not going to happen is it. You want fries with that? |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
261
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:34:00 -
[273] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Well he (in particular) does need to answer the question I asked him first of course. I'm hardly likely to pay him the respect of giving him an answer while he's still dodging and wriggling the question I asked him first am I ? You mean this post? Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote: You really aren't all that special except for the La Maison stuff ... And the irony being your directors made up the "La Maison stuff" / allegations of RL prostitution / child pornography etc simply to try to smear an internet spaceship election campaign and try to lose an eve player their RL job. You guys went as far as creating fake websites, erotic fan fiction and a rl letter writing campaign - you were pretty damned serious about it. That's the allegation you're being asked to prove. Linking a site does nothing to prove that, unless you can prove the provenance. You allege the Following, long before you asked Zim any questions: 1) Goonswarm Directors created the following a) La Maison b) RL Prostitution/CP claims c) websites that purported to be under your control, including Erotic Fan Fiction d) administered a letter writing campaign 2) they did this with the intention to make your CSM campaign fail 3) they did this with the intention to make you lose your job TBH, I've seen no evidence that they created anything. They may be culpable in continued hosting of La Maison (whoever created it)*, but that's all I've ever seen you prove. *Hosting it's in poor taste if it's without any provenance (and I haven't really looked for any). PS: While I grant that someone else brought up La Maison, you are the only one who I've ever seen bring up references to RL prostitution/cp in any thread, and you did bring up (for no apparent reason, this purported GSF hatred of you) before that. All it would take to settle this horrible affair, would be for mittens to issue a statement saying that the goons have never had anything to do with this issue in any way shape or form. Not going to happen is it.
Because he understands where the burden of proof lies (Hint: It's with the Accuser). -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc Soldiers Of New Eve
68
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Posted - 2012.07.06 07:45:00 -
[274] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: You're the accuser, provide proof. I'm asking you a question (its not a complicated one) answer it or not, public opinion will decide how credible you end up looking. Jade Constantine wrote: Can you answer the question I asked of "zim" though. Does the "crackerjax site" represent an accurate picture of how the goonwiki site used to look at some point in the past? If you can't answer the question can you produce a goonswarm character who does remember looking at it perhaps? At this stage failing to answer and flailing madly with evasions just makes you look like you have something to hide or be guilty about. Just come clean, be honest and answer the question. I think public opinion at this point has got bored and is now reading another thread.......
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1153
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Posted - 2012.07.06 08:09:00 -
[275] - Quote
I think public opinion at this point has got bored and is now reading another thread.......[/quote] What else is there to do when we blob SoCo so much they dock in a hurry.
Haha, Delve V is great. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2591
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Posted - 2012.07.06 13:47:00 -
[276] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: wrote:Pipa Porto There you go, you've been asked by someone's main. Well he (in particular) does need to answer the question I asked him first of course. I'm hardly likely to pay him the respect of giving him an answer while he's still dodging and wriggling the question I asked him first am I ? You mean this post? (snipped)
Well obviously not, it was the one I actually linked Here I'll underline it for you
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.07.06 13:49:00 -
[277] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: wrote:Pipa Porto There you go, you've been asked by someone's main. Well he (in particular) does need to answer the question I asked him first of course. I'm hardly likely to pay him the respect of giving him an answer while he's still dodging and wriggling the question I asked him first am I ? You mean this post? (snipped) Well obviously not, it was the one I actually linked Here I'll underline it for you
Posting in a Jade Constantine thread |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2591
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Posted - 2012.07.06 13:57:00 -
[278] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote: All it would take to settle this horrible affair, would be for mittens to issue a statement saying that the goons have never had anything to do with this issue in any way shape or form. Not going to happen is it.
Hardly likely when Mittani is still knuckle-posting tweets like this one is it?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:20:00 -
[279] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:All it would take to settle this horrible affair, would be for mittens to issue a statement saying that the goons have never had anything to do with this issue in any way shape or form. Actually, no, we don't have to do squat, because what Jade has come up with hasn't proven anything. He hasn't come up with any proof that gsf directors fabricated any websites, administered a letter writing campaign, fabricated websites purporting to be under jade's control (including erotic fan fiction), or even made any claims of RL prostitution, child pornography, child-sex abuse or being a pedo (or whatever it is he'll invent next). And the one thing he has come up with, which is on what can only be described as a severely shady source of questionable reliability, makes absolutely no allegations to any of these things, so god knows why he insists on repeatedly linking it and claiming it's proof that he has been accused of these things.
He has also made allegations that we've linked to sites which claim these things, I've yet to see any evidence of that whatsoever, on any count, despite making specific requests that he provide said evidence. In fact, the only one who keeps on saying he's been accused of any of these things, is jade himself, while linking to said shady site of questionable reliability, which is something he does at any opportunity he can get to make sure everybody knows he thinks he's been accused of these things.
Jade Constantine wrote:Hardly likely when Mittani is still knuckle-posting tweets like this one is it? I'm seeing absolutely no reference to RL prostitution, child pornography, child-sex abuse or being a pedo there. |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
174
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:24:00 -
[280] - Quote
IbanezLaney wrote:Always post with main.
Whats the point of pissing people off if they don't know who pissed them off?
Internet trolling; you fail at it. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
174
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:25:00 -
[281] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:What else is there to do when we blob SoCo so much they dock in a hurry.
Haha, Delve V is great.
Confirming goons love station games and high sec pvp mechanics. Confirming I love goons. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
Pahah Pahineh
Universal Ally
12
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:25:00 -
[282] - Quote
Mains get banned quickly (Forum moderators are simply incapable of unbiased moderation) Alts don't get banned for months and months of shitposting unless their mains get outed.
That's why. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1412
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:31:00 -
[283] - Quote
you are a
1) bad poster and/or a 2) coward poster |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
104
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:32:00 -
[284] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:There are some people, however, who'll try every trick in the book to win an argument. You can argue as correctly as you'd like about f.ex something combat-related, but if the char you're on doesn't have multiple thousands of kills in the last months, they'll happily go "post with your main, or your arguments are null and void because you don't have combat experience on that char!". The thing is, many (most?) of the things that pass for discussions on eve-o relate to matters of opinion rather than fact or pure logic, and when you're evaluating the merits of someone's opinion, their background and related experience matter a lot. Suppose we were discussing an unresolved question of astrophysics - almost everyone would unhesitatingly accept that my opinion as Some Guy On The Internet would be worth a lot less than, say, Stephen Hawking's opinion as an extremely distinguished professor of physics. His opinion is valuable because it's going to be based on easily-demonstrated experience and expertise in the subject in question whereas mine is worth a lot less because it's based on a completely unknown (to you) body of experience/knowledge. |
5nake pliskan
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
8
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:32:00 -
[285] - Quote
because CCP banned everyone's main |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2591
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:42:00 -
[286] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote: snipped evasive nonsense
Answer the question I've been asking you for the last half dozen pages.
"Does the "crackerjax site" represent an accurate picture of how the goonwiki site used to look at some point in the past?"
(If you can't answer the question can you produce a goonswarm character who does remember looking at it perhaps?) The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
16
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:50:00 -
[287] - Quote
This thread is spending more time off-topic than on-topic. If it continues to stay off-topic there will be serious consideration to locking the thread.
Please, stay on topic.
ISD Tyrozan Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
208
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:54:00 -
[288] - Quote
ISD Tyrozan wrote:This thread is spending more time off-topic than on-topic. If it continues to stay off-topic there will be serious consideration to locking the thread.
Please, stay on topic.
My henchmen will help re-rail this thread.
To my henchmen: Operation Drugged Rifter is a go. I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
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WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWM WMWMWMWMWMWM
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:56:00 -
[289] - Quote
cuz its fun when u no that no 1 nos who u are on the forums |
Longestnameyouveeverread inyourlifeha
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:57:00 -
[290] - Quote
Nothin's wrong with altpostin', brah. |
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Taurich Vorsel
0
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:58:00 -
[291] - Quote
Because my main was naughty :( Copine Callmeknau disappeared one day now we are left with Taurich Vorsel AKA BIZARRO COPE! |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
208
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:59:00 -
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Taurich Vorsel wrote:Because my main was naughty :(
ifyouknowwhatimean.jpg I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
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Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:04:00 -
[293] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: snipped evasive nonsense I guess calling you out on your fallacious claims that we've made public claims that you've been a RL prostitute, involved in child pornography, child-sex abuse or being a pedo, is "evasive nonsense".
I grow weary of your constant evasion of the core of this issue, which is that whenever someone mentions "space brothel", "la maison" or the like, you spring forth with your crackerjax link and claiming that this, this is proof that we've sent you things to your workplace, fabricated websites which were purported to be under your control (including erotic fan fiction), called you a RL prostitute, involved in CP, child-sex abuse or being a pedo. And every time you're pushed on this, you completely ignore it.
Fact: This is a copy of the website you made. It is referenced from http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=794696. You confirmed that it had been copied from your server, you've made no claims that it was altered, and you're referencing something called the "elariel pleasure gardens security detail", whatever that is, plenty of references to "space-wine while being courted by my noble suiters" in http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=794696&page=2#48, and barely a "it's not actually a brothel you know..." in defense. That's the space brothel/la maison taken care of.
Now, provide proof we've publically accused you of being, and I'll quote you, "a RL prostitute, involved in child pornography, child-sex abuse or being a pedo". Actual proof, mind you.
Jade Constantine wrote:Answer the question I've been asking you for the last half dozen pages. How about you answer the questions which you're obligated to have the answer to, since you are the accuser?
Or, you could just do what you should've done a long time ago, and stop fabricating claims which you cannot prove. The only thing you're achieving with that is slandering your own name, repeatedly. |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
208
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:07:00 -
[294] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote: snipped evasive nonsense I guess calling you out on your fallacious claims that we've made public claims that you've been a RL prostitute, involved in child pornography, child-sex abuse or being a pedo, is "evasive nonsense". I grow weary of your constant evasion of the core of this issue, which is that whenever someone mentions "space brothel", "la maison" or the like, you spring forth with your crackerjax link and claiming that this, this is proof that we've sent you things to your workplace, fabricated websites which were purported to be under your control (including erotic fan fiction), called you a RL prostitute, involved in CP, child-sex abuse or being a pedo. And every time you're pushed on this, you completely ignore it. Fact: This is a copy of the website you made. It is referenced from http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=794696. You confirmed that it had been copied from your server, you've made no claims that it was altered, and you're referencing something called the "elariel pleasure gardens security detail", whatever that is, plenty of references to "space-wine while being courted by my noble suiters" in http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=794696&page=2#48, and barely a "it's not actually a brothel you know..." in defense. That's the space brothel/la maison taken care of. Now, provide proof we've publically accused you of being, and I'll quote you, "a RL prostitute, involved in child pornography, child-sex abuse or being a pedo". Actual proof, mind you. Jade Constantine wrote:Answer the question I've been asking you for the last half dozen pages. How about you answer the questions which you're obligated to have the answer to, since you are the accuser? Or, you could just do what you should've done a long time ago, and stop fabricating claims which you cannot prove. The only thing you're achieving with that is slandering your own name, repeatedly.
Sir, I have to ask you to calm down. This thread is about the question "Why do you alt post?" and not your unimportant forum war with some nonfactor entity. I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
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Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:08:00 -
[295] - Quote
Derp, misclick |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
775
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:09:00 -
[296] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:long argument snipped
Please read this Zim
ISD Tyrozan wrote:This thread is spending more time off-topic than on-topic. If it continues to stay off-topic there will be serious consideration to locking the thread.
Please, stay on topic.
This thread is not the place for your arguments and if it continues then the OP runs the risk of having his thread locked. Show a little respect. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Lord Zim
982
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:11:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:This thread is not the place for your arguments and if it continues then the OP runs the risk of having his thread locked. Show a little respect. Don't worry, I'm done with this. |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
208
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:12:00 -
[298] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:This thread is not the place for your arguments and if it continues then the OP runs the risk of having his thread locked. Show a little respect. Don't worry, I'm done with this.
My henchmen and I will make sure you are done with this. I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
446
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:13:00 -
[299] - Quote
So, walls of text having nothing to do with this thread to say what?
Alt posting best posting and it creates frustration to some paranoid unsocial dudes, then it's OP success. WTH about some people with internet misplaced honour about main posting and crap alike? -those should get a life.
It's a space ship game, not Barbies On Line and as those should already know the old song: deal with it brb |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
208
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:14:00 -
[300] - Quote
doublepost I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
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TotalCareBear
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:14:00 -
[301] - Quote
One very simple reason - 0.0 carebears in your alliance get angry. |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
208
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:15:00 -
[302] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Alt posting best posting and it creates frustration to some paranoid unsocial dudes, then it's OP success.
I just thought of something when reading this.
Alt posting on these forums is like AFK cloaking. Even though you're not really doing anything or sacrficing anything or putting yourself at any risk at all, you're still upsetting people!
It's amazing really. I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1372
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:16:00 -
[303] - Quote
Private Pineapple wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Alt posting best posting and it creates frustration to some paranoid unsocial dudes, then it's OP success. I just thought of something when reading this. Alt posting on these forums is like AFK cloaking. Even though you're not really doing anything or sacrficing anything or putting yourself at any risk at all, you're still upsetting people! It's amazing really. Except I feel like the group of people who AFK cloak and the group of people who alt post are rather disparate. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2591
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:23:00 -
[304] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote: snipped a load more nonsense
Well you've been asked to stop dragging this thread off-topic with your bad-posting "zim" - I suggest you do that. If you want to post a new topic to discuss how an in-character chat-channel called "la maison" justifies the campaign of harassment you guys have attempted over the last five years then be my guest. I'll be glad to discuss these things (and keep asking you the question you appear incapable of answering - there.)
But until then lets get back to discussing "alt-posting" as the nice ISD volunteer moderator suggested.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Kyle Ward
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
171
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:27:00 -
[305] - Quote
Can we go back off topic? It was more entertaining... The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Xpaulusx
V I R I I Ineluctable.
50
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:37:00 -
[306] - Quote
No reason not to post with your main, unless your afraid to deal with someones opinion that may differ from yours. If you got a beef with someone you deal with them on the battlefield, not the forums like some child. |
MadMuppet
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
493
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:39:00 -
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I almost never post with my alts, they are both loud-mouthed annoying asshats who drink way too much and smash beer cans on their heads. If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy. |
Kei Masuda
Les Enfants de Gaia
1
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:48:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:I guess calling you out on your fallacious claims that we've made public claims that you've been a RL prostitute, involved in child pornography, child-sex abuse or being a pedo, is "evasive nonsense".
tbh I've heard goons do this stuff all the time on our channels during operations; granted its not supposed to be public but people do go off on it all the time.
Lord Zim wrote:I grow weary of your constant evasion of the core of this issue, which is that whenever someone mentions "space brothel", "la maison" or the like, you spring forth with your crackerjax link and claiming that this, this is proof that we've sent you things to your workplace, fabricated websites which were purported to be under your control (including erotic fan fiction), called you a RL prostitute, involved in CP, child-sex abuse or being a pedo. And every time you're pushed on this, you completely ignore it.
lol Lord Zim that crackerjax link is exactly the same as the wiki page on Constantine I remember seeing last year when it was linked in fleet by one of our fc's vov - it does say Jade is putting drugs in children's fizzy pop for bad purposes.
Well that link goes to lolCSM slander post says goons copied a website and rehosted it to troll with. Was lamaison a cyber brothel or not really? Pehaps someone has some chatlogs to lol at.
editz : sorry for offtopic |
Varcutii Renalard
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:53:00 -
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What a thread to make a first eve-o forums post.
To answer your question, i can see myself posting with an alt if i wanted to buy something atrociously costly in the Buy/Sell/Trade parts of the forum. I'm not particularly fond of practicing conspicuous consumption. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2591
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:55:00 -
[310] - Quote
Varcutii Renalard wrote:What a thread to make a first eve-o forums post.
To answer your question, i can see myself posting with an alt if i wanted to buy something atrociously costly in the Buy/Sell/Trade parts of the forum. I'm not particularly fond of practicing conspicuous consumption.
Funnily enough that's probably a fair use of it ... arranging a supercap transfer would be a bit silly to use your main for if you wanted a bit of operational security or something.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
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Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
84
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:00:00 -
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The main reason to alt post is to 'harvest tears'.
If you are part of a big bad organization and wish to harvest tears you set up an alt and complain about your big bad organization. You can then come back with your main and 'harvest' tears.
I htink 95% of all 'tears' posts are this type...and that 95% is probably too low. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1372
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:03:00 -
[312] - Quote
Varcutii Renalard wrote:What a thread to make a first eve-o forums post.
To answer your question, i can see myself posting with an alt if i wanted to buy something atrociously costly in the Buy/Sell/Trade parts of the forum. I'm not particularly fond of practicing conspicuous consumption. Oh wow. That is the first legit reason I have seen here. Have your first like. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:04:00 -
[313] - Quote
I alt post cause my main is too famous |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
141
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:13:00 -
[314] - Quote
I alt Post because my main does not speak English. in-fact he does not speak at all. Had his tongue cut out deep in Syndicate. |
Korsiri
Mousetrap Building Inc.
49
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:18:00 -
[315] - Quote
has no alts has no mains
:)
But agree with others, most do it for reasons already stated, like being free to badmouth same corp your "main" is in etc etc. |
Taurich Vorsel
1
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:25:00 -
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Private Pineapple wrote:Taurich Vorsel wrote:Because my main was naughty :( ifyouknowwhatimean.jpg bowchickawupwow.wav Copine Callmeknau disappeared one day now we are left with Taurich Vorsel AKA BIZARRO COPE! |
Kyle Ward
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
175
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:35:00 -
[317] - Quote
Taurich Vorsel wrote:Private Pineapple wrote:Taurich Vorsel wrote:Because my main was naughty :( ifyouknowwhatimean.jpg bowchickawupwow.wav
horseandpancakes.mp4 The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
264
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:41:00 -
[318] - Quote
I have many accounts so more than one main. There are some of my mains that I will never post with. Because I do not want in game contact from the forum to those characters, because I would rather not draw attention to them, they stay off the forums. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Forum Foreplay
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.07.07 04:42:00 -
[319] - Quote
Reading this thread has convinced me that posting on my main was dumb |
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.07.28 16:14:00 -
[320] - Quote
oh, yeah, and...
main posting = free intel. |
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Mallak Azaria
434
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Posted - 2012.07.28 16:15:00 -
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My main decided to take an involuntary, permanent holiday from the forums. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Sid Hudgens
Totally not an NPC Corp
118
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Posted - 2012.07.28 16:23:00 -
[322] - Quote
I ... Uh ... Wait what was the question again? "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
275
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Posted - 2012.07.28 16:24:00 -
[323] - Quote
because ccp phantom felt mocking a guy who spent $200 relentlessly was inappropriate :( |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.07.28 16:52:00 -
[324] - Quote
"Search" feature up above, or eve-search.com. Look into it. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
9023
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Posted - 2012.07.28 16:55:00 -
[325] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:I asked a simple question. Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? It's not a complicated question. Post with your main and I'll be happy to answer your question! OK I'll ask.
Do you have any factual basis to believe, that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for?
Edit: AS far as the OP is concerned, no. Have done in the passed, but now can't be bothered.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2012.07.28 16:57:00 -
[326] - Quote
My personal views may not be the same as, and may cause problems for my corp.
Hence alt posting. You want fries with that? |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:04:00 -
[327] - Quote
Tom Gerard wrote:I post with an alt, because my main account requires me to be respected by all of my customers.
That guy is the hero of these forums. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:11:00 -
[328] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:If it's not worth posting on your main, it's not worth posting.
I tend to pay attention to the content of the post, rather than conerning myself with trying to decide if it is an alt post.
Who cares if a post is an alt post, and why would it amtter? You want fries with that? |
Caucus Prime
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.07.29 07:56:00 -
[329] - Quote
Prime hates alt-posters. |
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
57
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Posted - 2012.07.29 10:16:00 -
[330] - Quote
The only time I have ever alt post was due to a banning, and I had my main's name in my alt's sig.
Only peasants alt post.
Nobody is going to come gank you in game over crap you spew on forums, don't be such a putty tat, show some cajones.
Post With Your Main, Just Not Like This, Its Annoying. Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum
Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes. |
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george harries
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.07.29 10:29:00 -
[331] - Quote
Alt post 'cos my I can happily post about indy and mission stuff and fits and not worry about every ganker putting locations out for a multi-billion isk KM.
Never fussed about 'retribution' but initial corp was 100% carebear with no clue how to PvP (nor would want to)....but I have never attacked someone in forums, which if you do with an alt is pretty cowardly imho.
I can however understand that if you are in a corp/alliance you may want to alt post as your views may not be appreciated or look good on the eve forums. |
Crimsonjade
Reikoku The Retirement Club
5
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Posted - 2012.07.29 10:30:00 -
[332] - Quote
after 9 years i have no idea which of my character's is a main and which is an alt :/ |
terzslave
Vendetta Rising
22
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Posted - 2012.07.29 10:34:00 -
[333] - Quote
My main is ugly.......this guys got swag. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1653
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Posted - 2012.07.29 10:55:00 -
[334] - Quote
Ignore whatever they tell you. They'd never tell you the truth of why they are doing it.
They are COWARDS, because they are afraid of consequences !
Kill 'em all. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
320
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Posted - 2012.07.29 11:18:00 -
[335] - Quote
My mains alliance leader does not want forum posting with any character with the alliance tag, the opinions of capsuleers and bunnies should not be seen as that of the alliance and people in the alliance should not be made a target because of the opinions of capsuleers and bunnies. Plus the added benefit of people saying 'post with your main' is another enjoyment, the little things that annoy people are funny. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1653
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Posted - 2012.07.29 11:21:00 -
[336] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:My mains alliance leader does not want forum posting with any character with the alliance tag, the opinions of capsuleers and bunnies should not be seen as that of the alliance and people in the alliance should not be made a target because of the opinions of capsuleers and bunnies. Plus the added benefit of people saying 'post with your main' is another enjoyment, the little things that annoy people are funny. Who's that coward you're talking about ? Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Americe Zane
Dovahkiin. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
24
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Posted - 2012.07.29 11:23:00 -
[337] - Quote
I post on my main.
I can see why people do alt post. I tend to look at the merits of a post and not a corp tag. |
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
57
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Posted - 2012.07.29 12:39:00 -
[338] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:because ccp phantom felt mocking a guy who spent $200 on virtual pants relentlessly was inappropriate :(
at least you didn't say horrible things about a certain new ccp employee Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum
Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes. |
Hicksimus
Hyperion Corporation
122
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Posted - 2012.07.29 13:17:00 -
[339] - Quote
I alt post because....aw **** this isn't an alt. Things I have realized from the EvE forums: Many people beleive cost means money and only money If you use it then it needs a buff. -áIf you don't use it then it needs to be nerfed. |
Celeste Lovette
The Scope
566
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Posted - 2012.07.29 13:20:00 -
[340] - Quote
I am an alt ! "Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." |
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