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Ocih
Amarr The Program Vanguard.
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Posted - 2010.05.28 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Adeptus mecanicus
Originally by: Codo Yagari
Originally by: Koronos Damn, I read your whole post and right up until the next-to-last line I thought you were going to say "kill 'em all".
Anyway, that's pretty much our solution.
Dont be surprised to wake up one day and find that this attitude is reversed and is aimed towards yourself. When that happens I hope for your sake that the ruler of the universe will forgive you when you repent.
Originally by: Kayl Breinhar Just what EVE needed, another longwinded "Jade."
Considering the current average level of mental and social abilities in and around New Eden, we need more propagators for NRDS and decent behaviour. I dont care what you think, but New Eden deserves better than to be ruled by people who just want to blow things up.
so yes i can see your dream......macro ice miners in 0.0 and belt ratters and miners all sitting safe and snug, oh btw market and trade as you know it whold die due to your tree hugging hippe dream m8
6 years of NRDS Provi, New Eden didnt crash and burn in a nightmarish carebear hell. Nobody macro mined, not for very long. Too many wannabe null sec pirates for that. All the macro mining goes on in the 70 system megacorps because nobody will get near the hub before someone spots them.
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Pistrik
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.05.28 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: Pistrik on 28/05/2010 08:32:07
Originally by: Ocih
Originally by: Adeptus mecanicus
Originally by: Codo Yagari
Originally by: Koronos Damn, I read your whole post and right up until the next-to-last line I thought you were going to say "kill 'em all".
Anyway, that's pretty much our solution.
Dont be surprised to wake up one day and find that this attitude is reversed and is aimed towards yourself. When that happens I hope for your sake that the ruler of the universe will forgive you when you repent.
Originally by: Kayl Breinhar Just what EVE needed, another longwinded "Jade."
Considering the current average level of mental and social abilities in and around New Eden, we need more propagators for NRDS and decent behaviour. I dont care what you think, but New Eden deserves better than to be ruled by people who just want to blow things up.
so yes i can see your dream......macro ice miners in 0.0 and belt ratters and miners all sitting safe and snug, oh btw market and trade as you know it whold die due to your tree hugging hippe dream m8
6 years of NRDS Provi, New Eden didnt crash and burn in a nightmarish carebear hell. Nobody macro mined, not for very long. Too many wannabe null sec pirates for that. All the macro mining goes on in the 70 system megacorps because nobody will get near the hub before someone spots them.
Got any more utter rubish you want to lay on us?
You just sort of confirmed that the only reason you DIDN'T have too many macro miners was because of the NBSI people who infiltrated providence and took care of them. So in essence, yes... he is right. If providence had been a true NRDS, you would have been nothing but a macro miner hell with carebear flavorings.
Luckily that is no longer the case.
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Adeptus mecanicus
Caldari The Flaming Sideburn's Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Pistrik Edited by: Pistrik on 28/05/2010 08:32:07
Originally by: Ocih
Originally by: Adeptus mecanicus
so yes i can see your dream......macro ice miners in 0.0 and belt ratters and miners all sitting safe and snug, oh btw market and trade as you know it whold die due to your tree hugging hippe dream m8
6 years of NRDS Provi, New Eden didnt crash and burn in a nightmarish carebear hell. Nobody macro mined, not for very long. Too many wannabe null sec pirates for that. All the macro mining goes on in the 70 system megacorps because nobody will get near the hub before someone spots them.
Got any more utter rubish you want to lay on us?
You just sort of confirmed that the only reason you DIDN'T have too many macro miners was because of the NBSI people who infiltrated providence and took care of them. So in essence, yes... he is right. If providence had been a true NRDS, you would have been nothing but a macro miner hell with carebear flavorings.
Luckily that is no longer the case.
Im unshure if Ocih was trying to be ironic
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.05.30 10:46:00 -
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This thread is awesome. Needs more drool.
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Neutrino Sunset
Minmatar Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.05.31 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Doppleganger Well for the 7 yrs I have been playing Prov has always been a ghetto..... there was just a change in slum lords from one to many.
Except that the old Providence was one of (if not the) most developed regions of nullsec in the whole of Eve and was certainly the most outsider friendly.
Originally by: Pistrik You just sort of confirmed that the only reason you DIDN'T have too many macro miners was because of the NBSI people who infiltrated providence and took care of them. So in essence, yes... he is right. If providence had been a true NRDS, you would have been nothing but a macro miner hell with carebear flavorings.
Luckily that is no longer the case.
If you think the point of NRDS is to eliminate PvP you're falling into the trap of mixing up the RP with the real world intentions. The point of NRDS isn't to stifle combat at all. The point of NRDS is provide an environment not completely suicidal to neutrals trying to make a living and in doing so providing enough of a population of low and average skilled neutrals that it attracts small gang and solo pirate outfits and similarly sized anti-pirate outfits thereby promoting enjoyable small gang and solo combat of a kind you don't find much of elsewhere in Eve. Which is what the old Providence had in sackfulls, although admittedly mixed in with the odd blob and hot drop here and there. In short it was diverse.
The new Providence though is just the same homogenous roaming gangs of Counterstrike in Space style blow **** up for no real reason type combat you get in nullsec everwhere, except in the new Providence it's even worse than anywhere else because with the NIP enforced by -A- it's now a pointless circlejerk of monstrous proportions and is now a region devoid of any life or character whatsoever.
As far as I can tell the only people that seem to think that's a good thing are the ones who couldn't get space any other way than by having -A- and Atlas conquer it for them and who are now happily carebearing away in the safest nullsec protectorate in Eve.
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Arama Bishop
Gallente Holiday On ICE Quasar Generation
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Posted - 2010.05.31 08:16:00 -
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I agree, now EVE began to be a joke for new player or small corporation or alliance.
For them they are no way to began to learn the 0.0, the old Providence was a place, where a lot of player have learn how do you leave in 0.0
Now for these player they are not a lot of choice.
- Stay in empire - Become pets of NC - Become pets of SC
CVA and holder have certainly make an error with the attack of HED. But AAA has destroy the freedom of EVE than was Providence.
Thx also to CCP, when some full cap fleet was destroy in problem of loading grid resulting the lost of 100% sov after that, Perhaps they are some real problem more important than planet mining.
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Zealch
Caldari Moonlight Industrys
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Arama Bishop I agree, now EVE began to be a joke for new player or small corporation or alliance.
For them they are no way to began to learn the 0.0, the old Providence was a place, where a lot of player have learn how do you leave in 0.0
Now for these player they are not a lot of choice.
- Stay in empire - Become pets of NC - Become pets of SC
CVA and holder have certainly make an error with the attack of HED. But AAA has destroy the freedom of EVE than was Providence.
Thx also to CCP, when some full cap fleet was destroy in problem of loading grid resulting the lost of 100% sov after that, Perhaps they are some real problem more important than planet mining.
From the sidelines imo it seems great in theory, but also seems the new owners want to promote small alliance pvp. However with CVA NAPing everyone around they are just creating another NC vs SC in a smaller scale. Most threads already point out the new provi block will reset each other once the battle of provi is over.
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ImmaSplodeYou
Amarr Hounds of Cullan
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Mystique How did we let things escalate to what they are today?
AFAICT you lost
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ShadowandLight
Amarr 142nd GhostRiders
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Arama Bishop
Thx also to CCP, when some full cap fleet was destroy in problem of loading grid resulting the lost of 100% sov after that, Perhaps they are some real problem more important than planet mining.
Thats a pretty damn good point
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S21 Duch
Amarr Assisted Genocide
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: S21 Duch on 31/05/2010 20:00:14
Originally by: Zealch
Originally by: Arama Bishop I agree, now EVE began to be a joke for new player or small corporation or alliance.
For them they are no way to began to learn the 0.0, the old Providence was a place, where a lot of player have learn how do you leave in 0.0
Now for these player they are not a lot of choice.
- Stay in empire - Become pets of NC - Become pets of SC
CVA and holder have certainly make an error with the attack of HED. But AAA has destroy the freedom of EVE than was Providence.
Thx also to CCP, when some full cap fleet was destroy in problem of loading grid resulting the lost of 100% sov after that, Perhaps they are some real problem more important than planet mining.
From the sidelines imo it seems great in theory, but also seems the new owners want to promote small alliance pvp. However with CVA NAPing everyone around they are just creating another NC vs SC in a smaller scale. Most threads already point out the new provi block will reset each other once the battle of provi is over.
God forbid there is a place in Eve where small gang roaming skirmish PVP can flourish. It's refreshing to be able to fly around and not see that 80 person old school proviblob camping a gate thinking they where having the pvp experience of a lifetime.
Once the provi reset occurs and the current holders are ready to focus on pvping each other and not napping to deal with cva/pxf it may even feel like the old days in eve where a small gang of 5 or so can roam, fight, kill and die and while having good times.
Teach new players the value of small gang pvp and not the idea that you need to be in a gang of 100 with 25 logistics to have fun.
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Arama Bishop
Gallente Holiday On ICE Quasar Generation
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:19:00 -
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Quote: God forbid there is a place in Eve where small gang roaming skirmish PVP can flourish. It's refreshing to be able to fly around and not see that 80 person old school proviblob camping a gate thinking they where having the pvp experience of a lifetime.
Once the provi reset occurs and the current holders are ready to focus on pvping each other and not napping to deal with cva/pxf it may even feel like the old days in eve where a small gang of 5 or so can roam, fight, kill and die and while having good times.
Teach new players the value of small gang pvp and not the idea that you need to be in a gang of 100 with 25 logistics to have fun.
About PVP they are not differenc between now and before for me. The biggest difference is that providence is close for about 65 % of the new player. Providence was the third place in eve (number of people). Now it's about not more than other 0.0 I have not idea if AAA stay in the history about the war against the NC. But i am sure than AAA stay in the story about kill the only freedom place in eve.
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Zealch
Caldari Moonlight Industrys
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Arama Bishop
I have not idea if AAA stay in the history about the war against the NC. But i am sure than AAA stay in the story about kill the only freedom place in eve.
Isn't all of eve free space? Teaching players a false hood of 0.0 and declaring Providence as free space isn't good way for new players to learn. Allowing players to fly under the iron curtain, with the holders acting as they were concord isn't free. True free space is 0.0 and not empire. No rules, no laws, only freedom.
Since I haven't been playing to long, I go only say what websites, and back of boxes promote. |
Ocih
Amarr The Program Vanguard.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: S21 Duch
God forbid there is a place in Eve where small gang roaming skirmish PVP can flourish. It's refreshing to be able to fly around and not see that 80 person old school proviblob camping a gate thinking they where having the pvp experience of a lifetime.
Once the provi reset occurs and the current holders are ready to focus on pvping each other and not napping to deal with cva/pxf it may even feel like the old days in eve where a small gang of 5 or so can roam, fight, kill and die and while having good times.
Teach new players the value of small gang pvp and not the idea that you need to be in a gang of 100 with 25 logistics to have fun.
No.
what I see happening is every pet alliance and thier dog who think they want to be a Sov holder will trade systems with the ones that are there now. Each set including the ones that are there now will figure out that being a Sov holder is about as fun as being a secretary at a dental office. After some time, CVA will recover most of thier systems, not including the Kari pipe because the Kari Pipe fetish is 5 years old and -A- and Atlas will absorb the cost of it for some imaginary reason. Provi is poor null sec. It survived on the ISK created from NRDS policy and we saw alot of Outposts and no super caps. NRDS or NBSI, Provi will never build its own Titans or super caps or will do so at 5% of the rate other null sec areas of EvE will and will always be subject to the bad mood of any Supercap alliance with a notion to take it. Just like U'K couldnt take it for 7 years without -A- and Atlas, U'K wont hold it without -A- and Atlas. They will get tired of running to the rescue for bad space. The only people who ever truly wanted Provi was CVA. Everyone else just didnt want them to have it for no obvious reason other than it gave them something to hate that they might actually be able to confront. |
S21 Duch
Amarr Assisted Genocide
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ocih
No.
what I see happening is every pet alliance and thier dog who think they want to be a Sov holder will trade systems with the ones that are there now. Each set including the ones that are there now will figure out that being a Sov holder is about as fun as being a secretary at a dental office. After some time, CVA will recover most of thier systems, not including the Kari pipe because the Kari Pipe fetish is 5 years old and -A- and Atlas will absorb the cost of it for some imaginary reason. Provi is poor null sec. It survived on the ISK created from NRDS policy and we saw alot of Outposts and no super caps. NRDS or NBSI, Provi will never build its own Titans or super caps or will do so at 5% of the rate other null sec areas of EvE will and will always be subject to the bad mood of any Supercap alliance with a notion to take it. Just like U'K couldnt take it for 7 years without -A- and Atlas, U'K wont hold it without -A- and Atlas. They will get tired of running to the rescue for bad space. The only people who ever truly wanted Provi was CVA. Everyone else just didnt want them to have it for no obvious reason other than it gave them something to hate that they might actually be able to confront.
I think your forgetting that this space isn't so terrible after Dominion came out with the ability to upgrade systems, just ask Daisho Syndicate who love to run those Sanctums 23/7 in Super Carriers, let alone the grav site mining ops :)
If push came to shove and CVA became a major threat I'm sure -A- would gladly come and defend it's fish farm. I can't see them giving up their only close roaming grounds. Must feel funny living in a Russian fish farm getting plump and ready for harvest,Ii'm sure if 1 sov holder wants out there are 3 ore small alliances more than happy to take their spot.
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Cyrus Doul
Caldari Cosmic Vacum Cleaners Opticon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: S21 Duch Edited by: S21 Duch on 01/06/2010 01:47:14
If push came to shove and CVA became a major threat I'm sure -A- would gladly come and defend it's fish farm. I can't see them giving up their only close roaming grounds. Must feel funny living in a Russian fish farm getting plump and ready for harvest.
I'm sure if 1 sov holder wants out there are 3 ore small alliances more than happy to take their spot.
i thought aaa was german. I guess I don't pay attention.
Also, already happened. EOS left and important internet spaceship league moved in. then two days later blew up a freighter.
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5kyscreamx
Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.01 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: S21 Duch Edited by: S21 Duch on 31/05/2010 20:00:14
Originally by: Zealch
Originally by: Arama Bishop I agree, now EVE began to be a joke for new player or small corporation or alliance.
For them they are no way to began to learn the 0.0, the old Providence was a place, where a lot of player have learn how do you leave in 0.0
Now for these player they are not a lot of choice.
- Stay in empire - Become pets of NC - Become pets of SC
CVA and holder have certainly make an error with the attack of HED. But AAA has destroy the freedom of EVE than was Providence.
Thx also to CCP, when some full cap fleet was destroy in problem of loading grid resulting the lost of 100% sov after that, Perhaps they are some real problem more important than planet mining.
From the sidelines imo it seems great in theory, but also seems the new owners want to promote small alliance pvp. However with CVA NAPing everyone around they are just creating another NC vs SC in a smaller scale. Most threads already point out the new provi block will reset each other once the battle of provi is over.
God forbid there is a place in Eve where small gang roaming skirmish PVP can flourish. It's refreshing to be able to fly around and not see that 80 person old school proviblob camping a gate thinking they where having the pvp experience of a lifetime.
Once the provi reset occurs and the current holders are ready to focus on pvping each other and not napping to deal with cva/pxf it may even feel like the old days in eve where a small gang of 5 or so can roam, fight, kill and die and while having good times.
Teach new players the value of small gang pvp and not the idea that you need to be in a gang of 100 with 25 logistics to have fun.
err. pretty sure you guys barely leave the dital gate in your dr4k3s and smartbombing ph00n =====
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S21 Duch
Amarr Assisted Genocide
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Posted - 2010.06.01 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: 5kyscreamx
err. pretty sure you guys barely leave the dital gate in your dr4k3s and smartbombing ph00n
U Mad
Hydra must be missing the gate
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SwindonBadger
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2010.06.01 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Arama Bishop I agree, now EVE began to be a joke for new player or small corporation or alliance.
For them they are no way to began to learn the 0.0, the old Providence was a place, where a lot of player have learn how do you leave in 0.0
Now for these player they are not a lot of choice.
- Stay in empire - Become pets of NC - Become pets of SC
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ADD > join pirates say yargh go wherever in 0.0 u want to dangle your balls. Watch big blobby allainces stumble for hours over a poss while u do a few laps of someone elses space taking candy from bears and tickling the deffence force with 15k 93nice disrupter.
u could join a fun going 0.0 outfit after a few days training and a rifter, if u want to sit there and bare all day there are many many syatems u could cloaky rat in, with or withought any contact/being part of a big allaiance. If u want to develop/hold space then yah your gonna have to pay/ join some of the big old names that have been fighting for that since they where made.
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Cordin Hamir
Amarr the oNe Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.01 22:18:00 -
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I call shenanigans on this. I am fed up hearing people go on about 'small gang' warfare and 'proviblobs'. The impression given by guys like S21 Duch is that in the 'old days' bold groups of brave individuals went roaming around Providence and Catch looking for tough pvp and the response was always a huge blob of ships. Further this type of individual promulgates a view that Catch/Providence was full of macro-miners trying to mine away in peace and only the brave small gang guys stopped them. I spent two years out that way (other char Arcin Hamir, half pvp/half PoS feeding and ratting) and that is NOT how I recall it. Yes there were small gangs roaming but invariably what they were after were lone individuals that they could 'blob' very quickly or mining ops that they could destroy. The attacking groups were very hard to counter, most were skilled pilots and given they were prepared and fast moving any quick response was likely to be piece meal and likely to be destroyed, equally the fast ships used could easily run straight through small groups or camps (that is of course when they did not just cloak or log off) - thus often the response tended to end up as a large group (proviblob) as the only simple counter. I have no problems with any of this, it was and is a valid tactic usually executed by skilled pilots, but given the intent of the attacking groups was normally to 'blob' (i.e. massively outnumber/outgun) single individuals and then run off they can hardly then complain if others try to outnumber/outgun you! On the mining front any macro miners in that area would have lasted zero time and as the rocks in Catch/Providence are no better than those in empire why would they ever bother?
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Ocih
Amarr The Program Vanguard.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cordin Hamir I call shenanigans on this. I am fed up hearing people go on about 'small gang' warfare and 'proviblobs'. The impression given by guys like S21 Duch is that in the 'old days' bold groups of brave individuals went roaming around Providence and Catch looking for tough pvp and the response was always a huge blob of ships. Further this type of individual promulgates a view that Catch/Providence was full of macro-miners trying to mine away in peace and only the brave small gang guys stopped them. I spent two years out that way (other char Arcin Hamir, half pvp/half PoS feeding and ratting) and that is NOT how I recall it. Yes there were small gangs roaming but invariably what they were after were lone individuals that they could 'blob' very quickly or mining ops that they could destroy. The attacking groups were very hard to counter, most were skilled pilots and given they were prepared and fast moving any quick response was likely to be piece meal and likely to be destroyed, equally the fast ships used could easily run straight through small groups or camps (that is of course when they did not just cloak or log off) - thus often the response tended to end up as a large group (proviblob) as the only simple counter. I have no problems with any of this, it was and is a valid tactic usually executed by skilled pilots, but given the intent of the attacking groups was normally to 'blob' (i.e. massively outnumber/outgun) single individuals and then run off they can hardly then complain if others try to outnumber/outgun you! On the mining front any macro miners in that area would have lasted zero time and as the rocks in Catch/Providence are no better than those in empire why would they ever bother?
Pretty much and the idea that Dominion made Provi any better is rubbish. Our CVA corp was Sov holder in a system and we had it set up to spawn Plexes. 6/10 Plexes, just more. Thats what Dominion did for Prov.
I'm not concerned with convincing anyone of anything. Let -A- and their welfare buddies find out for themselves. |
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