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Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:32:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Degren wrote:Let me repeat that.
-A-'s strategy was to stay docked and let us get bored.
Makalu's strategy was to stay docked and let us get bored. *snort* You should listen to your enemies instead of your leaders.
Thank you for supporting my argument with your helpful link. Better consult the chart. |
Zoe Athame
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
106
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:39:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:I'm not a fan of blob warfare, but it's actually pretty impressive to see the speed of sov changes on dotlan. Edit: I mean especially looking at the map.
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png
This map is prettier. |
Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
205
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:47:00 -
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I kinda like this one myself...
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Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:48:00 -
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Degren wrote:GOON PET NUMBA ONE F1 BUTAN PUSHA.
What started out as good fights, Turned into a big steaming pile of propaganda. You say you went there for "Good Fights" which in the begining probably was true. When it escalated you should have only brought in One back up alliance to "Even" the numbers and you would have had your "GoodFights". But instead you screamed at your masters and then Goons jerked the leash and everyone was TOLD to go to Delve.
Nulli and friends, Screw -A-, dont have the ISK that TECH income brings to an Alliance. While you are able to **** out ships for RISK FREE PVP, SoCo dosent. Nulli was at war with RA before Pet Legion decided to make it a 3 way. Then this **** storm of a circle jerk happened.
Congrats on being able to win EVE by just putting people in the system. The results of you camping and watching a station is a direct result of your actions and Mastser and Pets. Maybe we should contact the Guinness Book of World Records to see if it Qualifies.
Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
133
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:51:00 -
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I love it when all the goon pets start acting like smart asses about how much leet sov space pvp they are doing and how much of an impact its having, when in reality goons dont even need you lol. The alliance itself has a large enough memberbase to just stomp over anyone anyways.
Soon all eve will belong to goons, cant wait. I can just do 10 jumps to kill a goon rather than 40 to VFK :D Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:54:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Degren wrote:Correct things angry things
Sounds like someone should have undocked in something besides T3s.
This is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:56:00 -
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In fairness, wallpapers have shown more balls than the rest of the SoCo put together, massive props to those guys. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
127
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:00:00 -
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Degren wrote:Or, assuming you're Nulli, probably shouldn't have batphoned and chest thumped.
Please, feel free to continue blaming everyone but yourselves.
TEST's unique factional Casus Belli: "Someone said things about us that were meeeeeeeeeeeeeeean." |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
869
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:01:00 -
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You know what really struck me on that influence map? Against All Authorities. Man do they have staying power.... hat's off to you gents o7
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MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:03:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Due to the amount of time it took the goon and pets to clear Delve, its apparent that sov structures need more ehp or timers or switch back to the old sov mechanics.
or it means they could of brought out just as many ships and DEFENDED THEMSELVES. The fix isn't some buff or game design change. It's working as intended. You have to actually defend your systems! gasps! over expanding shouldn't be safe. They are eating undefended systems, of course it's easy. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
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Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:04:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Degren wrote:Or, assuming you're Nulli, probably shouldn't have batphoned and chest thumped.
Please, feel free to continue blaming everyone but yourselves. TEST's unique factional Casus Belli: "Someone said things about us that were meeeeeeeeeeeeeeean."
You're just embarrassing yourself, now. Go take space in the east or something. This is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
466
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:14:00 -
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Cpt Roghie wrote:Like SoCo could win that war anyway. They did however win something, the "staying docked up the longest" award.
i would warn ccp about getting rid of isk faucets... seems like if you are reliant on "renters" for isk then your ability to fight is not so great as you cannot take that much risk... (furhtermore the first sign of a war going wrong and the nullbears pack up and run)
when tech gets nerfed i hope they do it by reactions... that way you can make your own tech with lesser moongoo...
from what i can see eve the arcade game seems more fun then eve the sandbox... PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
157
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:14:00 -
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oh look, another delve/soco/cfc/goons/nullsec thread! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
466
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:17:00 -
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but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...
so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started. PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:20:00 -
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I am interested in this as well as I remember the other fights for Delve over the years. What has been apparent afterwards is the chest-beatings of the victor stating how they won and why - and it is still continuing in this thread VASTLY exaggerated and blown out of all proportion ...by the victors. As we see in history, when the victor has the writing tools we see a very one sided view of how things happened.
However, Eve is a DB that allows matching dates with numbers, so I would like to see what happened on the relevant date with the relevant system and the relevant alliance. That would be a story!!!
Would we see overwhelming blob warfare killing PL or the Goons helping their pets out a tight spot because of the amount of ships lost? Come on you keeper of numbers - SHOW US THE FACTS!!!!!
I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
466
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:24:00 -
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Klandi wrote:I am interested in this as well as I remember the other fights for Delve over the years. What has been apparent afterwards is the chest-beatings of the victor stating how they won and why - and it is still continuing in this thread VASTLY exaggerated and blown out of all proportion ...by the victors. As we see in history, when the victor has the writing tools we see a very one sided view of how things happened.
However, Eve is a DB that allows matching dates with numbers, so I would like to see what happened on the relevant date with the relevant system and the relevant alliance. That would be a story!!!
Would we see overwhelming blob warfare killing PL or the Goons helping their pets out a tight spot because of the amount of ships lost? Come on you keeper of numbers - SHOW US THE FACTS!!!!!
if you want to know how they won go look up William Tecumseh Sherman and how war of attrition works... PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:24:00 -
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Degren wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Degren wrote:Correct things angry things Sounds like someone should have undocked in something besides T3s. Or, assuming you're Nulli, probably shouldn't have batphoned and chest thumped. Please, feel free to continue blaming everyone but yourselves. o7m8 You mean like PL shouldn't have batphoned you and chest thumped? Though in hindsight we should have wondered whether us batphoning our allies would be as effective as you batphoning yours... It clearly wasn't, mistakes were made and sov lost. But no sense in crying over what could have been, we have to face realities and get back on the horse from where we are right now.
Sadly (And we agree here, eww), -A- held the firm belief that sov wars are won by docking in an NPC station and never risking fleets, so of course those who actually dared undock would have even less numbers when the majority stayed in station. The small alliances who defied the overwhelming opponents - PANGU and WALLT especially - puts the rest to shame. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
804
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:30:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:if you want to know how they won go look up William Tecumseh Sherman and how war of attrition works... Did his enemies also give up after 1 week and huddle in an impregnable space station to save their assets? Why did you take my wings away? |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
158
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:37:00 -
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is it my imagination or are all the smaller alliances the ones who have really proved anything in this war? |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:40:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:stuff.
To be completely honest, a lot of us really like Wallpapers, PANGU and Nulli.
I do, especially, because the idea of flying in a spanish speaking or chinese speaking fleet is too delicious, and the three of you actually gave us fights. Wallpapers are actually ******* legit, too, I ******* love them.
We give you guys **** for batphoning because we were genuinely enjoying just fighting you guys until the **** posting started. This avatar is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
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Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
870
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:44:00 -
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So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in...
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
141
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:46:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:MeBiatch wrote:if you want to know how they won go look up William Tecumseh Sherman and how war of attrition works... Did his enemies also give up after 1 week and huddle in an impregnable space station to save their assets? The inhabitants of Georga, in that sixty mile wide path to the sea, wish they could have. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:55:00 -
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Gogela wrote:So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in...
It was two.
Solar, -A- and co. kicked them out of the east and gave them pity space in delve which they have now all but lost. |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
871
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:59:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:Gogela wrote:So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in... It was two. Solar, -A- and co. kicked them out of the east and gave them pity space in delve which they have now all but lost. Wow. If I were a betting man I would be broke. I would not have thought there would be a significant war in null sec before winter. What brought this on? What sparked this big Delve shipstorm?
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Bolow Santosi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:00:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote:Like SoCo could win that war anyway. They did however win something, the "staying docked up the longest" award. i would warn ccp about getting rid of isk faucets... seems like if you are reliant on "renters" for isk then your ability to fight is not so great as you cannot take that much risk... (furhtermore the first sign of a war going wrong and the nullbears pack up and run) when tech gets nerfed i hope they do it by reactions... that way you can make your own tech with lesser moongoo... from what i can see eve the arcade game seems more fun then eve the sandbox...
The income from renters is pretty decent. The problem is how that money is managed. We choose to spend it on ship reimbursement, in house super cap subsidies and things that improve the line members quality of life.
-A- on the other hand uses it to line their own pockets and give their directorate personal titans or super carriers. On top of you know fining people for losing certain ships when the person handing out the fine lost over 7b isk 10 hours prior to his own massive stupidity. |
Y'nit Gidrine
Gold Horizons Industrial
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:05:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:Gogela wrote:So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in... It was two. Solar, -A- and co. kicked them out of the east and gave them pity space in delve which they have now all but lost. Wow. If I were a betting man I would be broke. I would not have thought there would be a significant war in null sec before winter. What brought this on? What sparked this big Delve shipstorm?
Boredom. |
Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:08:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:Gogela wrote:So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in... It was two. Solar, -A- and co. kicked them out of the east and gave them pity space in delve which they have now all but lost. Wow. If I were a betting man I would be broke. I would not have thought there would be a significant war in null sec before winter. What brought this on? What sparked this big Delve shipstorm?
TL;DR PL and TEST went to delve for 'gudfites' with Nulli and RA. They wouldn't fight to begin with so Test started to accidentally the region. Nulli and RA batphoned the SoCo and they took an 800 man fleet to fight PL and TEST's 300. Test went 'heh two can play at that game' and batphoned the cfc who have annihilated the SoCo at every turn.
EDIT: But yeah boredom covers it. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
964
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:08:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...
so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started.
AND that's the downside of the the SOV system in eve. no reasons to not own SOV is 100's of empty systems you never use or defend. This is just a natural effect of that. The war will happen when they reach the real borders of the allaince. The rest is empty space, tech income. eve null sec warfare is wierd like that.
hopefully the winter expansion i hear has some changes to sov warfare to make it so you have a reason to own 40 systems, versus 300. You could strill moon mine in those systems and push your infulance into them by setting up POS and roams. But you shouldn't be able to get sov at such large levels. I think it's ok if the sov map in eve had large empty areas between players, that would MAKE SENSE. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:12:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:MeBiatch wrote:but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...
so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started. AND that's the downside of the the SOV system in eve. no reasons to not own SOV is 100's of empty systems you never use or defend. This is just a natural effect of that. The war will happen when they reach the real borders of the allaince. The rest is empty space, tech income. eve null sec warfare is wierd like that. hopefully the winter expansion i hear has some changes to sov warfare to make it so you have a reason to own 40 systems, versus 300. You could strill moon mine in those systems and push your infulance into them by setting up POS and roams. But you shouldn't be able to get sov at such large levels. I think it's ok if the sov map in eve had large empty areas between players, that would MAKE SENSE.
Why would it make more sense than alliances owning everything they can? You don't see a no-man's-land between countries. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
804
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:12:00 -
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SoCo's strategy of 'we'll take it back' relies on CFC+HB not actually, you know, filling that space with allies. Exactly like all the space we didn't fill elsewhere. Why did you take my wings away? |
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