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Ashera Yune
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:23:00 -
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Does anyone actually believe anyone will be playing this game compared to games like Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3? Even more that its only a PS3 exclusive. Console Shooter games have a short life expectancy compared to MMO's. If CCP's way of doing EVE is any indicator of their work performance and work ethic I bet it will come out as a 5.5-7 out of 10 rated game.
This game will fail to produce enough revenue to overcome the developing costs.
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Jasdemi
Interstellar Whine Brewery
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:24:00 -
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In year 2012 is the end of world.
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:25:00 -
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Well tbh I also think it will fail, but we will have to wait first, don't we? :)
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:25:00 -
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Since my point of reference isn't some bland and generic MilShooter, but rather an actual MMOFPS (Planetside)à yes. I think people will. It will be niche, just like EVE, but that's not a bad thing. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Katrina Cortez
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:29:00 -
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If they plan on charging prices like they are in EVE then yes it will...
Just wait, when it comes out ppl are going to compare the prices between games and this mess is going to start all over.
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:29:00 -
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It's actually getting pretty funny how even the reviewers who blatantly get paid under the table with advertising campaigns are getting sick of games companies who just aren't making full products anymore. I like the ideas and everything but these days I'm honestly just wanting them to die off and stop having a monopoly over the games industry and let people who actually care about games have a shot.
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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Since my point of reference isn't some bland and generic MilShooter, but rather an actual MMOFPS (Planetside)à yes. I think people will. It will be niche, just like EVE, but that's not a bad thing.
So your point of reference for a platform where generic MilShooter's are king is a 10 year old PC game? You need a new point of reference. Also, PC gamer niche and PS3 gamer niche is a whole lot less 0's in player count --------------------
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ashera Yune This game will fail to produce enough revenue to overcome the developing costs.
So what?
CCP is its own company, the money for Dust development is paid by EVE. If Dust fails, it fails. And? Expensive lesson for CCP, nothing else. |
Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nypheas Azurai So your point of reference for a platform where generic MilShooter's are king is a 10 year old PC game?
No, my point is that there is no point of reference on consoles and that the comparable game on PC had surprising lasting power compared to its mainstream not-quite-competitors. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Ashera Yune
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Ashera Yune This game will fail to produce enough revenue to overcome the developing costs.
So what?
CCP is its own company, the money for Dust development is paid by EVE. If Dust fails, it fails. And? Expensive lesson for CCP, nothing else.
Ah yes and losing confidence of their investors.
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Death Merchant
United Mining And Distribution
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ashera Yune Does anyone actually believe anyone will be playing this game compared to games like Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3? Even more that its only a PS3 exclusive. Console Shooter games have a short life expectancy compared to MMO's. If CCP's way of doing EVE is any indicator of their work performance and work ethic I bet it will come out as a 5.5-7 out of 10 rated game.
This game will fail to produce enough revenue to overcome the developing costs.
CCP have been busting their ass for years and now after 1 expansion their performance and work ethic is a 5.5?
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Suki Youov
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:36:00 -
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This is blatantly going to be crap. Looks like another bland on-rails shooter for the mass market, to me.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:37:00 -
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It will fail. There is absolutely nothing remarkable about it. It doesn't look bad. But it doesn't look great. And for console shooters, mediocrity is the kiss of death.
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Ashera Yune
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Death Merchant
Originally by: Ashera Yune Does anyone actually believe anyone will be playing this game compared to games like Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3? Even more that its only a PS3 exclusive. Console Shooter games have a short life expectancy compared to MMO's. If CCP's way of doing EVE is any indicator of their work performance and work ethic I bet it will come out as a 5.5-7 out of 10 rated game.
This game will fail to produce enough revenue to overcome the developing costs.
CCP have been busting their ass for years and now after 1 expansion their performance and work ethic is a 5.5?
Hahahahahaha! Busting their ass? They had many years to work on Incarna, what did we get? One frikkin room! Why have they not fixed issue with covert T3 not working with Black Ops, Took 2 years to fix the explosion velocity of rockets, not fixed the crappy subsystems of T3s, the fitting issues of many ships especially the Omen, I can list on and on about problems in the game which should have been solved already!
This is sloppy work! You do not leaves your foundations full of holes or else it will crumble!
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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia No, my point is that there is no point of reference on consoles is bland generic shooters such as Halo or in the case of PS3 something equally but lesser-known clone and that the comparable game on PC had surprising lasting power compared to its mainstream not-quite-competitors because PC games have surprising lasting power in general and therefore cannot at all be compared to console games which last 1-2 years at most and at maximum the life of the platform.
fixed your post. --------------------
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Inherent Vice
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Inherent Vice on 27/06/2011 09:52:59 I assume it will have its 2 or 3 months where PS3-playes actually give it a chance. Then it gets replaced by the next MilShooter that will be relased. At this time, CCP won¦t have fixed even 10% of its initial problems, so Dust goes into history as one of the laughing stocks of console gaming industry.
Shortly after this, when no one plays it anymore, it will be converted into the main intrument in sov warfare what pretty much f**ks up EVE. Blog posts by Hilmar and Zulu will point out the huge number of players which play on both systems (PS3 and PC). They will try to convince you to buy a PS3 and Dust if you are interested in 0.0 and of course they will introduce a very convenient way to combine both accounts, so you can spent the Aurum from your EVE-O account on Dust-ammo and equipment. What comes after this isn¦t really important, because the Vogons will pulverize Earth for an intergalactic hyperspace bypass route. Humanity will find out that the ancient Maya were the only ones who got the information letter about the destruction of earth.
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WhiskeyGirl
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:53:00 -
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what my friend said, it'll be in the Walmart discount basket...
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Katrina Cortez
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:54:00 -
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It is going to be the first FPS you will need 3 separate apps to play.
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Cannonfodder1982
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:58:00 -
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im not so sure it will fail as such, but if ccp think they will get long life out of a console shooter they are mistaken, all they have to do is look at past records console gamers buy new games hammer em and then move on when something new comes out,
and like stated earlier dropping the 360 in favor for the ps3 is not a wise move, last time i checked the ps3 had ther smallest player base of this generation of consoles (correct me if im wrong)
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Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tolaskar Hardrada on 27/06/2011 10:06:25 Edited by: Tolaskar Hardrada on 27/06/2011 10:05:49
Originally by: Cannonfodder1982 im not so sure it will fail as such, but if ccp think they will get long life out of a console shooter they are mistaken, all they have to do is look at past records console gamers buy new games hammer em and then move on when something new comes out,
and like stated earlier dropping the 360 in favor for the ps3 is not a wise move, last time i checked the ps3 had ther smallest player base of this generation of consoles (correct me if im wrong)
You're wrong. Worldwide PS3 comes in at a close second behind the Wii.
Also, all the console shooters only last a couple months" talk is so off base I'd stupid. Modern Warfare 1 is 4 years old and still has over a million online players.
But you know, if all of you nay-sayers want to bet some ISK on the viability of Dust 514, I'm all for it. Offers in billions only please.
Edit: And for the thousandth time, Micro**** shut CCP out, not the other way around.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:09:00 -
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I dont think it will fail at all. the Carbon Technology that CCP has been developing is not only going towards EVE and DUST, but it seems they are gearing to sell it to other developers as well. (Much like the Quake2 engine was used for HalfLife, or Unreal Engine used in Mass Effect)
Their character creator (which is also part of Carbon) is superior to any character creator in the game industry currently. Compare it to Fallout 3 or Mass Effect 2 for examples. CCP clearly is leading here.
Further, consider how hardcore eve is. When you die, you actually lose ****. How many FPS games are like that? I cant wait to see this hardcore aspect of eve tied into an FPS game. it should be ****ing awesome.
And, assuming that Dust and Eve are both sharing much of the same Carbon code, im hoping that 5 years down the road when PS3 is dead and gone... maybe CCP will release Dust for Eve as an expansion ^_^
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Since my point of reference isn't some bland and generic MilShooter, but rather an actual MMOFPS (Planetside)à yes. I think people will. It will be niche, just like EVE, but that's not a bad thing.
More likely a low populated niche.
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Mouthy Misses
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:11:00 -
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i never said months and one game like mw1 doesnt typically cogver the whole console community as whole
and if i was MS id shut ccp out too although i dont believe that is the case regardless of whats been said, ccp looks to be climbing in bed with SONY even if they do deny it someone at ccp leaked that info so there is bound to be some truth in it to some degree
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Ayame Yubari
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:16:00 -
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I'm inclined to agree, simply because CCP has no experience whatsover with shooters and the shooter market is extremely saturated. Mediocrity simply won't cut it.
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Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Tippia Since my point of reference isn't some bland and generic MilShooter, but rather an actual MMOFPS (Planetside)à yes. I think people will. It will be niche, just like EVE, but that's not a bad thing.
More likely a low populated niche.
And Dust only having 250-500 thousand players is bad? Eve is likewise a low populated niche.
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edith prickley
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:23:00 -
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By developing a FPS, they're entering a very competitive market with no experience or track record, and that will be a big problem for them.
There will be higher expectations placed on this game, especially in terms of delivering a polished, finished product, which has not exactly been CCP's forte. And there are plenty of strong alternatives to distract people away if they don't deliver on that.
They are differentiating their product from the rest of the field by the MMO/persistent world aspect. Time will tell, but I'm not sure the average FPS player will appreciate this added value enough to justify the extra technical complication. It will be a technical handful to implement, and take a lot of developer time away from achieving the triple-A "polish" mentioned above. And if the concept really does catch on like wildfire, the major players will be up and running with MMO features tacked onto their own titles within a year.
Yeah, there is probably a niche of hard-core FPS/MMO types with enough attention span to enjoy the persistent world gimmick. Maybe they will have wallets to back up their enjoyment with in-game purchases, and maybe they'll be loyal for more than the couple of months until the next major triple-A shooter release.
But if CCP were any less Fearless, I imagine they'd be having a lot of sleepless nights about those questions.
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Azanee Yarabokin
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Terminal Insanity I dont think it will fail at all. the Carbon Technology that CCP has been developing is not only going towards EVE and DUST, but it seems they are gearing to sell it to other developers as well. (Much like the Quake2 engine was used for HalfLife, or Unreal Engine used in Mass Effect)
CQ has shown just how much this Carbon technology will be worth in an FPS. They can't even get a decent framerate for one toon in a single room without turning modern PCs into ovens. What do you think will happen when they try the same codebase on consoles that were designed years ago? I'll give you a hint: Mummy and Daddy won't be happy when Junior sets the family room on fire trying to play Dust. Don't even bother arguing this is a first implementation and they'll improve the code. By now all the CQ coders are working on code to force you to buy $1k pants to power your internet spaceship. One pair of pants = one AU in warp. Fixing bugs is for suckers, not for people who wear $1k pants!
I pity the fool who licenses CCP code!
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Obsidian Cobra
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:34:00 -
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It will fail and the reason why are:
1: Lets face it there are alot better shooters for the consols, Modern warfare, Battlefield, Gears of war....an Unknown developer making a semi good shooter with RMT Involved Its gona go down fast
2: Playstation 3 exclusive, CUTS down the market alot if you take out the Xbox and the PC..( and I think there were god reason behind why Xbox did not want it)
3: I think they are kidding themselfs if they think Consol players will dedicate themself more then 6 months( and then im being generous) to any FPS..
It has Massive FAIL writen all over it but after 1 year it might get ported to the PC as a free to play title... might save it but I fear CCP might be close to shuting down by then.. If they stay on the Path they have set for themselfs...
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Iluminat
Minmatar Sharp Dressed Man
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Azanee Yarabokin CQ has shown just how much this Carbon technology will be worth in an FPS. They can't even get a decent framerate for one toon in a single room without turning modern PCs into ovens.
i5 2500k-gtx 560 = 80 FPS
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Cobra
3: I think they are kidding themselfs if they think Consol players will dedicate themself more then 6 months( and then im being generous) to any FPS..
I think this point sums it up for me, even if they get the hype and get the figures at launch I find it hard to imagine console players maintaining an interest in it long terms and changing that is the real challenge. Good luck to them though, it's a brave move.
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