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Posted - 2006.03.27 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Voyager Question about the shield tanks. I'm seeing a large number of people fitting various Large Shield Boosters, yet many people say you need an XL to handle lvl 4s. How does the Large Shield Booster tank handle?
Are we looking at tanks that work mostly because the Raven kills things before they can threaten it, or are these tanks that hold solid, even when clusters get right on top of you?
Harry Voyager
Dont think anyone answered your question, but i could have missed it. the reason is simple if you compare a large sheild booster II, and an XL sheild booster II you get the same hp/cap and 90% of the time you will run out of cap before you run out of Sheilds so its makes more sense to fit the large booster because its fitting requirments are not as step. however if you find your sheilds are down before your cap is (running a large booster) then for you it would make more sense running an XL booster.
My current fitting is as follows High: 6x cruise missiles launcher II's 1x domination large smartbomb 1x dread guristass large smart bomb (i like smart bombs for close stuff... some missions i dont need them well most i dont even have frigs in smartbomb range but when they do come in that close they are nice to have)
Mids: 1x Gisti b-type large shield booster 1x gisti b-type sheild boost amp 4x gisti b-type sheild hardeners (depends on rats, i have enough b-types for any situation)
Lows: 3x bcu II 2x pdu II
i was running 4x bcu II's and 1 smartbomb but i changed that to 3x bcu's and 2 smart bombs since my gain in damage from 3-4 bcu's was not that much. and i kill those close frigates that much faster with 2x smartbombs
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Wulfe Stillborne
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Posted - 2006.04.01 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Stems Edited by: Stems on 20/03/2006 16:41:53 Well I'm having no more problems now Setup Below:
High 6x Arba Siege 1x E500 NOS -------------------------- Medium Gist X-Type X-Large Booster Shield Amp 2x Invul II 2x Rat Specific II(1 Primary / 1 Secondary) -------------------------- Low 4x PDS II 2x BCS II
WTB: Raven with 6 low slots... dejavuuu? :)
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Nekkro Taal
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Posted - 2006.04.01 10:44:00 -
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Everybody seems to accept that it is mandatory that you have to tank loads of damage on lvl4 missions. I would suggest that if you sort out the mid setup as regard to shield res values then all the rest of the mid and low setup of the ship is a lot less critical as regard to getting that perfect tanking and never ending XL booster running. To this end and I know I will prob take some flak for suggesting this but the solution is to buy the best shield hardners that you can afford. By this I mean at least Gist X type standard which give 61% plus bonus and DG invulnerability fields at 37% all dam types. Some might say 'yeah right but that is approx 1 bill in hardners', I would say correct but if you are doing Lvl4 missions regularly is 1 bill alot when you can rake in about 100 mill from the worlds collide mission? In any case I am not advocating you buy all of them at once. You would prob only need to buy 2 or 3 to suit the most common rats you take on. Using 2 rat specific and one DG invul will give your ship very good res and thus reduce the requirement substatially on the need to run the cap hungry booster. With this the hard setup I regularly do the harder lvl 4 missions with minimal booster use which sort of means that I have wasted is on that nice shiny Gist X type XL but it is a nice insurance policy.
Note to all those hardened Pvp'ers that are now going red in the face and shouting CEARBEAR at the screen now, yes this is a lvl 4 mission only suggestion so save your time and do not reply saying it is stupid to spend all that isk etc:)
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Natasha Kerensky
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Posted - 2006.04.01 15:48:00 -
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This solo setup has worked decently for me so far:
Hi: 6 Siege Launcher 2s Med: 5x T2 Hardeners (rat specific), Gisti XL shield booster Low: 4x pdu 2s, 1 Internal Force Field Array (Best named Damage Control Mod)
7 Vespa 2s
However, Lvl 4 missions go ALOT smoother when I have my friend drawing aggro and tanking (armor tanking) and I come in under the radar with this setup:
Hi: 6x Siege Launcher 2s 2x med nos
Med: 2x Sensor Booster 2s, Lif Fueled Booster Rockets, 1 Cap charger 2, 2x Target Painter 2s
Low: 4x BCU 2s, 1 Internal Force field array (best named damage control mod)
3 Heavy Repair Drones
I call it the "Hammer and Anvil" tactic. My friend goes in with his domi, fitted for max tanking potential and draws aggro from one group at a time. Then I warp in when I get the word, and begin ganking the targets he has tagged for me. I also use my repper drones to boost his tank.
We've swept through every lvl4 mission so far, except Angel Extravaganza, without having to warp out.
Commander, Deputy Chief of Security Channel: CAINCOM
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Serena Sinclair
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Posted - 2006.04.01 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Natasha Kerensky Low: 4x pdu 2s, 1 Internal Force Field Array (Best named Damage Control Mod)
WTB a PDU --
Define PDU Define BCU
You can't? ORly?
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Natasha Kerensky
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Posted - 2006.04.01 21:38:00 -
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PDU = Power Diagnostic System BCU = Ballistic Control System
Im old school, back in the day, they were called units, not systems. I guess "unit" was too politically incorrect
Commander, Deputy Chief of Security Channel: CAINCOM
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Serena Sinclair
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Posted - 2006.04.01 23:05:00 -
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Thanks, didn't know that. I just assumed everyone was really calling them units and were just wrong about it and didn't realize it. Now it won't make me so mad to see it every post.
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Fusaiyuki
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Posted - 2006.04.04 11:49:00 -
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Few people have noticed that a Raven can carry 5 light drones and 5 mediums. So:
High: 6x Arbalest cruise launcher, 2x Heavy diminishing nos
Med: 1x shield booster amp, 1x Dread Guristas XL booster, 2x Ballistic deflection field II, 2x Heat dissipation field II
Low: 3x PDS II, 2x BCU II
Drones: 5x Hobgoblin II, 5x Hammerhead II
With good skills and two BCU cruise is much better than using torps, the DPS is quite close on BS, plus you can pwn cruisers too. medium drones eat through drones and are very helpful on cruiser, if interceptors (such as Guardian Veterans) threaten light drones kill them very quickly. A Dread Guristas XL booster preferred to T2 because it uses far less CPU, and cycles every 4 seconds not 5. The hardeners give good resists for Guristas/Serp missions, at about 81% and 85%, meaning you should only need to use the booster occasionally. And T2 drones are great
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xPreatorianx
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Posted - 2006.04.04 17:25:00 -
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When you nos an npc You get about 15 cycles or less from a bs I can always sustain my large sheild booster II with 2 heavy dimis! But i probably could without but i have poor cap skills still workin on them atm.
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Basileus
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Posted - 2006.04.05 00:21:00 -
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High 3x XT-9000 cruise 3x Siege II 1x E500 prototype energy vampire 1x Small tractor beam --------------- Medium 1x Gist B-Type XL SB 1x Large shield extender II 2x Invul field II 1x 5a Prototype shield support I 1x PWNAGE --------------- Low 1x Internal force field array I 3x PDS II 1x BCS II ---------------
Drones: mix 'n match T1 medium & scout. I've tried EW drones; they work nicely, but rats give 'em a lot of love of the wrong kind.
Someone in this thread said the painters don't do anything. I'd have to disagree. They help take out cruisers a lot faster. To shoot at frigs with cruise missiles or torps is pointless.
...And I don't solo lvl 4 missions.
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Garandrel
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Posted - 2006.04.05 10:54:00 -
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HIGH-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ 6 x 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 1 x Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I 1 x Large 'Vehemence' I Shockwave Charge
MED-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~ 1 x XLarge C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 1 x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I 2 x Invulnerability Field II 1 x Photon Scattering Field II 1 xHeat Dissipation Field II
LOW-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~ 3 xPower Diagnostic System II 2 x Ballistic Control System II
I also got 5 medium drones, flavor dependent on what I'll fight. Infiltrators for Sansha etc. I'm soloing lvl4.
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Zafon
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Posted - 2006.04.05 11:02:00 -
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High slots:-
7 Arbalest Cruise 1 Heavy Diminishing Nos
Medium slots:-
1 XL Shield Booster 2 3 T2 Hardeners (as appropriate) 1 named Target Painter (can't remember the name) 1 named Shield Boost Amplifier
Low slots:-
3 PDS 2s 2 BCU 2s
Drones:-
5 T1 medium drones 5 T1 light drones
Occasionally I will swap out the target painter for a fourth hardener.
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Titainus
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Posted - 2006.04.05 12:12:00 -
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I never had faction fittings for my raven as it was just for missions and i rarely did missions but here is my cheapo fit:
6x malkuth 2x heavy NOS +++++++++++++ 1x XL T2 booster 2x boost amps 2x appropriate hardeners (eg ditrigonal thermal) +++++++++++++ 5x T2 PDU's
It's not fancy but it gets the job done and i never got into armour with this fit.
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dj skywing
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Posted - 2006.04.06 10:00:00 -
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i fit my navy raven as below:
7 cruise missiles launchers, 1 nos,
1 gist-b-type xlarge shield boost; 1 cap recharger II, kin + heat + invln 3 hardeners ; one gist boost amp
5 pds II,
doing lvl 4 missions easily
by the way, is trops better then cruise missiles ?
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Ikthorn Balhar
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Posted - 2006.04.07 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zafon High slots:-
7 Arbalest Cruise 1 Heavy Diminishing Nos
Medium slots:-
1 XL Shield Booster 2 3 T2 Hardeners (as appropriate) 1 named Target Painter (can't remember the name) 1 named Shield Boost Amplifier
Low slots:-
3 PDS 2s 2 BCU 2s
Drones:-
5 T1 medium drones 5 T1 light drones
Occasionally I will swap out the target painter for a fourth hardener.
Care to explain how you fit 7 cruise launchers when you only have 6 missile launcher hardpoints on the raven?
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Ikthorn Balhar
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Posted - 2006.04.07 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: dj skywing i fit my navy raven as below:
7 cruise missiles launchers, 1 nos,
1 gist-b-type xlarge shield boost; 1 cap recharger II, kin + heat + invln 3 hardeners ; one gist boost amp
5 pds II,
doing lvl 4 missions easily
by the way, is trops better then cruise missiles ?
You're either not using a raven, or you're not using 7 launchers, since you can have a max of 6 missile launchers on it.
With regards to torps vs cruise missiles, depends. Torps do a lot more damage, but they're very slow and have less range than a cruise missile. They're great against *large* slow-moving targets, like say, another battleship or a stationary object. Cruise missiles are very fast, have quite a bit of range, and dish out some nice damage, although less than a torp. You can probably shoot 2 or 3 volleys of cruise missiles before your first torpedo hits your target, depending on the range you're at.
Both suck against small fast targets like frigates. Use drones if possible.
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Basileus
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Posted - 2006.04.07 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ikthorn Balhar
Care to explain how you fit 7 cruise launchers when you only have 6 missile launcher hardpoints on the raven?
The Caldari Navy Raven rocks... I want one.
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dj skywing
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Posted - 2006.04.07 06:25:00 -
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NAVY RAVEN
7 LAUNCHERS
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dj skywing
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Posted - 2006.04.07 06:28:00 -
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so it's better to fit in cruise missiles for lvl 4 missions right ? thanks Ikthorn Balhar
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IDesert FoxI
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Posted - 2006.04.07 08:26:00 -
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Ive noticed that a lot of set ups dont use cap rechargers. Doesn't this mean you have cap problems?
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Tomas Nuerin
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Posted - 2006.04.07 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: dj skywing so it's better to fit in cruise missiles for lvl 4 missions right ?
IMO, yes. But remember to fit 2-3 BCU's if you're using cruise missiles. |
Tomas Nuerin
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Posted - 2006.04.07 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: IDesert FoxI Ive noticed that a lot of set ups dont use cap rechargers. Doesn't this mean you have cap problems?
I'm using heavy cap booster with 800's but I hardly ever need to use it. I think I've used it twice (in Enemies Abound). Might as well fit something else (sensor booster or AB maybe).
So, can't tell I have probs with cap. |
Zafon
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Posted - 2006.04.07 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ikthorn Balhar
Care to explain how you fit 7 cruise launchers when you only have 6 missile launcher hardpoints on the raven?
Yeah, I was only having fun / showing off because I fly a CNR for lvl 4 missions
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denzilmason
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Posted - 2006.04.07 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nekkro Taal Edited by: Nekkro Taal on 01/04/2006 10:45:16 Everybody seems to accept that it is mandatory that you have to tank loads of damage on lvl4 missions. I would suggest that if you sort out the mid setup as regard to shield res values then all the rest of the mid and low setup of the ship is a lot less critical as regard to getting that perfect tanking and never ending XL booster running. To this end and I know I will prob take some flak for suggesting this but the solution is to buy the best shield hardners that you can afford. By this I mean at least Gist X type standard which give 61% plus bonus and DG invulnerability fields at 37% all dam types. Some might say 'yeah right but that is approx 1 bill in hardners', I would say correct but if you are doing Lvl4 missions regularly is 1 bill alot when you can rake in about 100 mill from the worlds collide mission? In any case I am not advocating you buy all of them at once. You would prob only need to buy 2 or 3 to suit the most common rats you take on. Using 2 rat specific and one DG invul will give your ship very good res and thus reduce the requirement substantially on the need to run the cap hungry booster. With this the hard setup I regularly do the harder lvl4 missions with minimal booster use which sort of means that I have wasted isk on that nice shiny Gist X type XL but it is a nice insurance policy.
Note to all those hardened Pvp'ers that are now going red in the face and shouting CEARBEAR at the screen now, yes this is a lvl 4 mission only suggestion so save your time and do not reply saying it is stupid to spend all that isk etc:)
I have my raven setup as follows
Highs 6 Siege Missile Launcher II 1 Heavy Diminishing Nosf
Mids 1 Gist X-Type Heat Dissipation Field 1 Gist X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field 1 Gist X-Type Photon Scattering Field 1 Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier 1 Shield Boost Amplifier 1 Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Lows 1 Ballistic control Unit II 3 Power Diagnostic Units 1 Co-Processor II (<<< I hate having to have that)
Drones 7 Vespa II's (Can only use 5 but T2 drones are a huge part of this setup without them it can take a while to kill the frigs with them it's a matter of you concentrating on the other ships and watching the frigs pop 1 by 1)
I've never any problems with the level 4 missions. I think the 2 amplifiers helped me out the most, it's only in the last 6 months I've started using the 2 amp approach and I've found it alot better than having another hardener etc.
I was quite interested in the spare high slot being used for drone increase. That sounds good if I could fit it into my setup. Never thought of that.
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Lockheed19
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Posted - 2006.04.08 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Natasha Kerensky Edited by: Natasha Kerensky on 01/04/2006 21:36:24We've swept through every lvl4 mission so far, except Angel Extravaganza, without having to warp out.
Natasha,
Please don't be offended at this, but how on Earth could you not do the Angel X with only one of you, let alone both?
If I may be so bold as to suggest, when you get into the Angel X, first thing you do is line up and max speed towards that potential warp-out point. Then kill all the frigs' with t2 drones as they will web you long enough for those cruisers to get into their optimal. Whilst killing the frigs, keep taking out the cruisers.
I really don't wiah to appear trite or condescending, but I can now get through all the Angel X [including the dreaded 1st level] without warping out [see my set-up posted above somewhere]. As long as you target 3/3 [3 x frigs/3 x cruisers] at all times and make sure you replace a frig killed with a new frig target lock, you should be ok. I simply cannot fathom how with an armour-tanked Domi and a gank-Raven that you don't whizz through Angel X.
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Lockheed19
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Posted - 2006.04.08 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Lockheed19 on 08/04/2006 11:54:38 Edited by: Lockheed19 on 08/04/2006 11:54:16
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benze
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Posted - 2006.04.08 20:37:00 -
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6 cruise tech2 1 or 2 diminishing 1 or not small tractor beam Xl DG ampli DG 3 or 4 hardeners tech 2(gist B,C,DG) and 1 or not Cap recharger 2 3 Pdu 2 ballistic 2 I need 2 siege tech2 for vengeance, a healer for world collide and 7/10 complexe. Enjoy the murder of gallente federation, caldari 4TW. Special thanks to the serpentis for helping me to kill this ....
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2006.04.09 06:46:00 -
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I find my setup quite fine for any level 4 mission:
High -
6 T2 Siege (fitted with T2 javelin torps) 1 Heavy Diminishing Nos 1 Small Tractor beam
Medium -
Gistii X-Type XL Booster Dread Gurista Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Gurista Invulnerability Field Dread Gurista Photon Scattering Ward (switch for kinetic depending on mission) T2 Heat Dissipation ward PWNAGE Target Painter
Low -
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control Unit Power Diagnostic II Power Diagnostic II Power Diagnostic II Capacitor Power Relay
Full head of crystal low-grade implants.
Yeh, I have a CPR. And even WITH the CPR fitted, my shield boost is still 1187 boost / 4 seconds, with a cap recharge of 340 or so. This means the gist booster can be run forever (or damn close havent run it out yet).
While I have a sweet setup, I never really meddled with drones too much. I have always just had a coupla heavies, 2 meds and a light to do the deed on frigs. I didnt think that t2 would make as much of a difference as some of you have suggested. I will have to train the skills up and give a rack of t2 hammerheads a whirl.
Still trying to find a way to keep all of my setup (exception is PDU's/CPR/target painter, to try and find a way to fit another BCU, but if drones are as good as you say, I might be able to drop the CPR, drop the target painter, replace target painter with cap recharger II, and replace CPR with another ballistic.
Of course, the ultimate goal is Caldari Navy Raven or Rattlesnake, but it is such a hard decision that I have decided to sit on my isk until I find a good enough reason to make the choice.
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Natasha Kerensky
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Posted - 2006.04.12 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lockheed19
Originally by: Natasha Kerensky Edited by: Natasha Kerensky on 01/04/2006 21:36:24We've swept through every lvl4 mission so far, except Angel Extravaganza, without having to warp out.
Natasha,
Please don't be offended at this, but how on Earth could you not do the Angel X with only one of you, let alone both?
If I may be so bold as to suggest, when you get into the Angel X, first thing you do is line up and max speed towards that potential warp-out point. Then kill all the frigs' with t2 drones as they will web you long enough for those cruisers to get into their optimal. Whilst killing the frigs, keep taking out the cruisers.
I really don't wiah to appear trite or condescending, but I can now get through all the Angel X [including the dreaded 1st level] without warping out [see my set-up posted above somewhere]. As long as you target 3/3 [3 x frigs/3 x cruisers] at all times and make sure you replace a frig killed with a new frig target lock, you should be ok. I simply cannot fathom how with an armour-tanked Domi and a gank-Raven that you don't whizz through Angel X.
Again, no offence.
The main problem we've had with that mission is aggro control. For some reason the Angels really dont like us. More often then not, the entire complex will aggro us. Not completely sure, but I think it happens whenever I release my repair drones. Since Im fitted for max damage, no tanking, I bail out ASAP.
But Ill try out that strategy you suggested, thnx
Commander, Deputy Chief of Security Channel: CAINCOM
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Zafon
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Posted - 2006.04.13 07:52:00 -
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I think that, if you launch drones in the first pocket of Angel Extravaganze, the whole pocket aggs. Drones are fine on the other four pockets though.
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