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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:50:00 -
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Andski wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:He's a major contributor to events large and small. From fanfest to EVE Vegas. Of course the marketing dept would be very familiar with him.] tell us more about somer blink being a charity
You're doing fine in here already, Andski. No need to fall back on willfully misinterpreting posts for forum fame.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10942
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:52:00 -
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Edward Harris wrote:Andski wrote:
tell us more about somer blink being a charity
He makes a profit, so he must be a criminal. Burn the witch! Reading this forum makes one lose all hope in humanity..
if he wants to make a fat profit in isk that's all fine
if he wants to turn his fat profits into real money that's not fine Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23950
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:53:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Andski wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:He's a major contributor to events large and small. From fanfest to EVE Vegas. Of course the marketing dept would be very familiar with him.] tell us more about somer blink being a charity You're doing fine in here already, Andski. No need to fall back on willfully misinterpreting posts for forum fame. He's simply referring to the pathetic excuses used last time to explain why Somer should get preferential treatment. You were hitting very close to home there, after all. Whether they will be dragged out and ridiculed this time as well is yet to be determined.
While it certainly explains the connection between player and exec (and really, in this size community this is hardly shocking GÇö just go to fanfest and buy them pallets-full of beer and you're in ), think of it as a preemptive GÇ£don't go thereGÇ¥ since some will very likely try to use it as an excuse once again. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
89
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:54:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote: a bunch of good points, showing he might have actually read the thread
Just FYI though, the torch and pitchfork are waiting in the hall closet for easy access. Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll. |
Edward Harris
Lazerhawks
32
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:55:00 -
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Andski wrote:Edward Harris wrote:Andski wrote:
tell us more about somer blink being a charity
He makes a profit, so he must be a criminal. Burn the witch! Reading this forum makes one lose all hope in humanity.. if he wants to make a fat profit in isk that's all fine if he wants to turn his fat profits into real money that's not fine
A discussion is much better and easier to hold if you stick to your previous argument and try to make a point, instead of throwing in one non-related argument after another.. Think about what you want to say first, then discuss. This just makes you look like someone who enjoys throwing tomatoes at ppl. |
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
610
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:56:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:This is a thing again?
How surprising since SOMER basically posted on their site after the initial order to cease that they were looking for loopholes.
SOMER is an RMT scam, an RMT scam that has been showered with praise and gifts from CCP and now this backdoor shenanigans goes down.
We told CCP they needed to keep their hands out of SOMER last time - and apparently no one wants to listen. If this was approved by 'someone' that 'someone' needs to be fired this time.
There you are. The cool part is our educational program a year ago worked for the players. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10944
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:57:00 -
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Edward Harris wrote:A discussion is much better and easier to hold if you stick to your previous argument and try to make a point, instead of throwing in one non-related argument after another.. Think about what you want to say first, then discuss. This just makes you look like someone who enjoys throwing tomatoes at ppl.
a discussion is also a lot better when you don't try to put words in my mouth Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7694
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:57:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?
How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread? Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it. Which means all they can do is tell each other how awesome they are. Great isn't it Gÿ¦ You're damn right I'm going to give credit to a group of people who volunteer their time to assist us at times like this, and take time out of their family lives to be present in meetings that are called early morning or late evening sometimes with under an hour of notice. I'll give them all the encouragement I can to continue to support both CCP and the Community the way that they are. That's what they're elected to do, and I'd like the people who voted them in to know they're being fairly represented. If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.
That was CCP talk for **** off , trolls
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Sketchy Bob
Mother caking corp
1
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:01:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?
How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread? Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it. Which means all they can do is tell each other how awesome they are. Great isn't it Gÿ¦ You're damn right I'm going to give credit to a group of people who volunteer their time to assist us at times like this, and take time out of their family lives to be present in meetings that are called early morning or late evening sometimes with under an hour of notice. I'll give them all the encouragement I can to continue to support both CCP and the Community the way that they are. That's what they're elected to do, and I'd like the people who voted them in to know they're being fairly represented. If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple. That was CCP talk for **** off , trolls
No thats CCP talk for "look over here while we try to spin this ****". |
NFain
Elysian. Orderly Misconduct
73
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote: There's no need to stop referral money. They just have to be very clear that you are not allowed to incentivise a real-life transaction of any kind with an in-game transaction of any kind (or vice versa).
And by GÇ£be very clearGÇ¥ I mean, GÇ£they have always been very clear so just shout it louder and don't accept any kind of silly work-aroundsGÇ¥. You are entirely free to do a transaction that involves 1 trit on one end and 1bn ISK on the other without any repercussions. You are also entirely free to engage in cash kickback schemes and ad revenue and whathaveyou to support the out-of-game efforts of other players, such as server hosting and bandwidth fees and the like. It's when you mix the two, when you use one as a quid-pro-quo for the other, that you dive headlong into the putrid ditch of RMT.
I agree Tippia. However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop.
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Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Test Alliance Please Ignore
618
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:04:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:loving falcon's realtalk
there are some in the thread talking badly of somer's motivations, and mike azariah asked on page eight 'what do you want to happen?', so here's an opinion
it would be possible, through the investigation and final decision on what action to take, to assume good intent on somer's part (or on the part of whoever was involved in creating this promotion). but i don't think somer should be given that credit. it's not plausible in my mind that this was anything but a deliberate attempt to work an isk->money trade, within the guidelines for gtc selling laid by ccp, and knowlingly against the spirit of those guidelines.
ofc this is almost certainly something everybody's already realised. but i'm going to give my opinion anyway because frankly my opinion is the most important and also i'm great
You are great - for putting it so.
Clearly Somer's intent was RMT. Otherwise, why require that you buy the ETC through Markee Dragon? All they did in reality, is replace SOMER credits with PLEX credits. It doesn't take a genius to see this. CCP needs a serious primer on conflict of interest issues.
It is obvious that no matter what happens, that SOMER and Markee Dragon, as they have implied they would do in various sources, will continually look for loopholes to get away with RMT - they should be banned from EVE and ETC sales respectively. |
Igor Nappi
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:05:00 -
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Whatever the result of the investigation is, I hope CCP exclusively hands Somer Blink limited edition ships or other in-game assets of value. Furthermore, I think that links must be removed from the game. |
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
610
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:08:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Lauresh Thellere wrote:
This CSM wasn't elected a year ago.
A few of us were and we have decent memories. m
Mike drunken recall does not count. As for your sober memory I will draw that into question. J/K |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5283
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:08:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Glasgow Dunlop wrote:The one thing I know that will happen is Falcon will sort this out, id put whisky on it Yeah I hear that his investigative skills & ability to comprehend the information provided to make the correct decisions is unrivaled at CCP.
Damning Falcon with faint praise. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1381
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:13:00 -
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DNSBLACK wrote:
Mike drunken recall does not count. As for your sober memory I will draw that into question. J/K
question all you want my sober memory. you may also want to interview unicorns and dragons. same chances of finding them
m
Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23951
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:14:00 -
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NFain wrote: However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop. Definitely, which is why the current situation is so baffling.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
524
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:NFain wrote: However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop. Definitely, which is why the current situation is so baffling. Unless Somer is kicking back some profits within CCP...? |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
273
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:16:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:loving falcon's realtalk
there are some in the thread talking badly of somer's motivations, and mike azariah asked on page eight 'what do you want to happen?', so here's an opinion
it would be possible, through the investigation and final decision on what action to take, to assume good intent on somer's part (or on the part of whoever was involved in creating this promotion). but i don't think somer should be given that credit. it's not plausible in my mind that this was anything but a deliberate attempt to work an isk->money trade, within the guidelines for gtc selling laid by ccp, and knowlingly against the spirit of those guidelines.
ofc this is almost certainly something everybody's already realised. but i'm going to give my opinion anyway because frankly my opinion is the most important and also i'm great You are great - for putting it so. Clearly Somer's intent was RMT. Otherwise, why require that you buy the ETC through Markee Dragon? All they did in reality, is replace SOMER credits with PLEX credits. It doesn't take a genius to see this. CCP needs a serious primer on conflict of interest issues. It is obvious that no matter what happens, that SOMER and Markee Dragon, as they have said they would , will continually look for loopholes to get away with RMT - they should be banned from EVE and ETC sales respectively. Yep. After what happened last year, I don't believe Somer deserves the benefit of the doubt. It is very hard for me to look at this and find any angle where it is a legitimate service being provided and not an obvious attempt to loophole around the EULA. The 'business proposal' and emails just aren't good, in fact, rather than exonerating Somer they make him look more shady. The manipulative language in the proposal and then his badgering on getting it cleared with 'Legal' don't strike me as the actions of a service provider, but rather as the calculated steps of a businessman. And we know what the EULA has to say about using Eve for business purposes. In my opinion, this should be viewed as a *second strike* and dealt with accordingly. Somer already did this before and made it pretty clear what the true aim was with that 1bil bonus cashout fiasco last time. There was also clear premeditation, as Somer was basically saying 'don't worry, we'll find a loophole' during the last debacle when they were forced to stop. They should be punished as repeat offenders. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5287
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:NFain wrote: However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop. Definitely, which is why the current situation is so baffling.
To me it seems a lot like what I did when I was a kid and my mother said no to something. I asked my dad (or vice versa) in the hopes that they hadn't talked about it. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar
d-£-󦦦º-ó-ꦪ¦¦e¦¦-í-ë-í-󦦦+¦¦¦»-ö¦+b-¥¦º¦¦¦¦¦½¦¦-ö-ëa-Ŧ+-¥¦í¦+-à-à¦ñc¦ó-á¦í-ƒ¦«¦½¦Ö¦¦¦á-ò-çl-Ǧ¢-ü¦+-û¦ƒ¦¦-ô-ë-Ö-ô¦Ñ-ô¦¬¦½e¦+¦¿¦ù¦¦¦ÿ¦ù¦Ñ¦¼-ò-ꦽ¦¦¦+¦+-ö¦¦-à¦á¦ú¦ÿ |
virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
143
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:18:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:Tippia wrote:NFain wrote: However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop. Definitely, which is why the current situation is so baffling. Unless Somer is kicking back some profits within CCP...?
I strongly advise you don't start throwing mud for fun. There's enough broo-ha already without starting wild new rumours. |
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Sketchy Bob
Mother caking corp
2
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:19:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:Guttripper wrote:Tippia wrote:NFain wrote: However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop. Definitely, which is why the current situation is so baffling. Unless Somer is kicking back some profits within CCP...? I strongly advise you don't start throwing mud for fun. There's enough broo-ha already without starting wild new rumours.
CCP could easily stop a lot of the rumors by saying something. But we have yet to hear anything. |
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
610
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:20:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:DNSBLACK wrote:
Mike drunken recall does not count. As for your sober memory I will draw that into question. J/K
question all you want my sober memory. you may also want to interview unicorns and dragons. same chances of finding them m
Mike drunken recall best recall. The eve gods saved me from being elected. Could you imagine me and you drunk sitting i n those meetings about SOMER.
BLACK; (YELLS) OFF WITH HIS HEAD.
Mike: Com down little buddy. Pour me a drink and lets talk this thru.
BLACK; Damit Mike some one has to die.
Mike: Your right but lets cut his balls off first and let him bleed. Then OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!!!!
BLACK: Careful Mike ALI is listening shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23952
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:21:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Tippia wrote:NFain wrote: However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop. Definitely, which is why the current situation is so baffling. To me it seems a lot like what I did when I was a kid and my mother said no to something. I asked my dad (or vice versa) in the hopes that they hadn't talked about it. That's a horribly apt description. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
273
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:21:00 -
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I was happy that CCP Falcon said 'nobody is too big to fail in Eve'. If Somer falls, other competitive sites will emerge. If Markee falls, other ETC sellers will pick up the slack.
Somer doesn't actually offer anything of real value to the community, anybody can start their own casino.
Now lets just hope that Somer, if found guilty, is treated how other offenders would be. |
Lauresh Thellere
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:21:00 -
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Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Lauresh Thellere wrote:Argus Sorn wrote:Lauresh Thellere wrote: Sigh, I wrote this cool response about how you're being a **** to people who are exhausted from working their asses off the last day or two and have had little to no sleep but the forums ate it.
I will never support being a complete jerk to anyone - but the people who are working their asses off are only doing it because they didn't take appropriate action a year ago. So while they have my respect for their current work, you have to pardon some of us if we aren't exactly sympathetic. This CSM wasn't elected a year ago. Good thing the CSM has no say in what punishments Somer should have received a year ago. Especially given it's clear he's referring to CCP's actions. Reading comprehension yo.
I'm well aware of what the poster meant but thanks for pointing out that my reading comprehension is poor simply because I chose to ignore an argument made that would start a pissing match. |
Karra Masamune
Intelligence Operation NetCorp Khaos Legion
3
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:22:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?
How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread? Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it. Which means all they can do is tell each other how awesome they are. Great isn't it Gÿ¦ You're damn right I'm going to give credit to a group of people who volunteer their time to assist us at times like this, and take time out of their family lives to be present in meetings that are called early morning or late evening sometimes with under an hour of notice. I'll give them all the encouragement I can to continue to support both CCP and the Community the way that they are. That's what they're elected to do, and I'd like the people who voted them in to know they're being fairly represented. If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.
Why credit them for something they wanted to do in first place? I mean sure it can be inconvenience to make time for something as unexpected as this, but isn't that a part of being CSM in first place?
As far as I understand being CSM ins't a privilege where you get cool title on forum, it's extra responsibility where you invest your time to make game better.
On subject on topic, if you can prove RMT people involved should be banned as that would normally happen. On other hand things like this take time and most games aren't patient so they will rage, troll and demand something to be done now. I just hope that we will get more then generic answer in lines of "Actions have been taken again people involved, bla bla bla" as this could impact on eve economy based on how many people are using somerblink. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
568
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:22:00 -
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It looks like there's blood on the dancefloor again. |
virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
143
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:24:00 -
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Sketchy Bob wrote: CCP could easily stop a lot of the rumors by saying something. But we have yet to hear anything.
They have said a ton. They have let us know they are looking into it, and they have kept us informed. Within a few hours they will update us. Short of doing it all in front of a webcam there's not much more they could do to communicate.
Just let them sort it out, and they will tell us when they are ready. Your statement could not have been more wrong. |
POS Trader
Merchants of Lore
10
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:24:00 -
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Andski wrote:POS Trader wrote:Unless CCP stops ALL referral money, a business transaction, then this situation is unavoidable. SOMER does not directly exchange ISK -> $$$. What happens is he's incentivizing purchasing of PLEX through his referral program by paying more ISK for the PLEX than market price in Jita. This way he's losing ISK, and supposedly gaining *some* additional revenue. How much additional revenue? That's up to debate.
buy this rock for $200 and i'll buy a piece of trit from you for 15 billion isk that way i'm losing money this can't possibly be against the rules right
He said, click the link and buy the PLEX from CCP (or some third party) and I'll give you some ISK for clicking my link. No rocks, or trit involved or some other useless intermediaries involved. No one pays him $$$ except the referral program.
As I said, either cancel ALL referrals (which obviously includes Amazon), or don't. And if you don't, then what SOMER does should not be against rules.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2494
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:26:00 -
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If indeed it determined that it is a scam -RMT operation by SOMERBlink, at least it is worthy of Eve Online. This is not a signature. |
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