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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.11.27 20:58:05 -
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Everyone who can get on SISI, take a look towards Jove space and UUA-F4: all of the stargates in the three regions have disappeared. As it is, there will be 110 new systems with Rhea- and there are 110 systems in UUA-F4 excluding the dev test systems.
From this, we can say that Jove space is safe. But at the same time, this means something even bigger- if the new wormhole systems and Thera are UUA-F4, than the Sleepers have been closer than we knew all along- and they have been right next to the Jovians.
The Jovians have stayed out of that region- they hold no sovereignty in it and have avoided it. And with the new star appearing and the Sleepers returning, they have decommissioned all of their gates- and looking at the story so far, it seems like the gates in UUA are gone because of whatever shattered every planet in the systems.
This is getting better and better
A City made of Wood is built in the forest
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains
But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven.
Jovian Proverb GÖâ
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Lord Ra
Section XII
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Posted - 2014.11.27 21:03:29 -
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I love your posts :) |
Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.27 21:11:09 -
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Thank you for the information.
"Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you."
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Rothar Luke
UoC NightWing Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.11.27 21:11:51 -
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Interesting news! I wonder if we will be able to see these deactivated stargates, if these new systems are indeed in UUA-F4. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6493
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Posted - 2014.11.27 21:19:25 -
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101 new systems in Rhea, 107 in UUA, but more like 15ish systems still connected by gates. The counts don't exactly line up.
While interesting, and we do get more interesting lorestuffs, I'm not sure we're getting UUA quite yet.
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
12150
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Posted - 2014.11.27 21:23:46 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:101 new systems in Rhea, 107 in UUA, but more like 15ish systems still connected by gates. The counts don't exactly line up.
While interesting, and we do get more interesting lorestuffs, I'm not sure we're getting UUA quite yet.
Anything is possible at this point- and if it is UUA, than I can only assume a number of systems, including Polaris, will remain inaccessible and only for DEV usage.
A City made of Wood is built in the forest
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains
But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven.
Jovian Proverb GÖâ
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Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
207
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Posted - 2014.11.27 22:19:21 -
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Wasn't there speculation sansha could be living in jove space? Doesn't that mean this could be the jove fighting back?
I mean there was an incursion where sansha forces didn't leave through wormholes. They just abandoned the incursion and started using stargates.
CCP - Outpost code is scary.
CCP Greyscale - Starbases - They need to look @#$%ing awesome, and people need to want them and
want to be around them and have them and use them and like them and want them and stuff.
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.11.27 22:20:59 -
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I got out there, and all I could see is this huge vacant backdrop with a lot of little pointy lights. Was I in the right place?
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
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Radax Glenn
C5 Flight The Serenity Initiative
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Posted - 2014.11.27 22:51:28 -
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I'm also coming to the same conclusions. I flew a Taranis up into Vale to see how close I could get to this new star in the sky. I took some screen shots. I can't say for certain it's UUA, it seems closer to where J7HZ-4 should be. So hard to tell though. I tried making waypoints and destinations up and around through Cobalt Edge, and looking in space to see the route, but nothing is really adding up to say for certain.
Pictures from the Edge
This is certainly going to make for some interesting times.
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
12155
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Posted - 2014.11.27 23:22:28 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Wasn't there speculation sansha could be living in jove space? Doesn't that mean this could be the jove fighting back?
I mean there was an incursion where sansha forces didn't leave through wormholes. They just abandoned the incursion and started using stargates. Yeah, there was a Sansha incursion into Jove space at one point- but in EVE Source, we're told that the Jovians sent a communique to CONCORD reporting that they repelled the attack.
I'm positive Sansha is going to play a role in all of this, if only a minor one- it's certain that their wormhole tech comes from something related to the Sleepers
A City made of Wood is built in the forest
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains
But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven.
Jovian Proverb GÖâ
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Magnasis Drakkenwolf
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Posted - 2014.11.30 06:59:20 -
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Sounds interesting, I can't wait to see what CCP has in store for us
There can be only one..
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
2281
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Posted - 2014.11.30 07:49:48 -
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The new WH systems are Jove space?
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...
[#savethelance]
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
25302
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Posted - 2014.11.30 07:55:21 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:The new WH systems are Jove space? I sure hope so!
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Daniel Jackson
Liandri Sanctuary Corps Liandri Covenant
50
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Posted - 2014.11.30 07:56:31 -
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hes right i have pics to confirm!!!
Tranquility Jove and UUA regions Singularity Jove and UUA regions
gif of 3 days in 100% zoomed from 1 system in caldari space of the BRIGHT STAR http://i.imgur.com/hI60hcB.gifv
I Vote YES! for Downloadable HI-RES Textures!!!!
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
395
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Posted - 2014.11.30 09:31:38 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Everyone who can get on SISI, take a look towards Jove space and UUA-F4: all of the stargates in the three regions have disappeared. As it is, there will be 110 new systems with Rhea- and there are 110 systems in UUA-F4 excluding the dev test systems. From this, we can say that Jove space is safe. But at the same time, this means something even bigger- if the new wormhole systems and Thera are UUA-F4, than the Sleepers have been closer than we knew all along- and they have been right next to the Jovians. The Jovians have stayed out of that region- they hold no sovereignty in it and have avoided it. And with the new star appearing and the Sleepers returning, they have decommissioned all of their gates- and looking at the story so far, it seems like the gates in UUA are gone because of whatever shattered every planet in the systems. This is getting better and better
UUA-F4 how ever currently holds 107 systems so these events may not be linked after all but admittedly 107 is tantalisingly close to 110 also UUA-F4 although unreachable is still in k-space though the new changes in mechanics may reflect that it's in k.space while still being largely uncharted by the empires. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5749
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Posted - 2014.11.30 09:48:33 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Everyone who can get on SISI, take a look towards Jove space and UUA-F4: all of the stargates in the three regions have disappeared. As it is, there will be 110 new systems with Rhea- and there are 110 systems in UUA-F4 excluding the dev test systems. From this, we can say that Jove space is safe. But at the same time, this means something even bigger- if the new wormhole systems and Thera are UUA-F4, than the Sleepers have been closer than we knew all along- and they have been right next to the Jovians. The Jovians have stayed out of that region- they hold no sovereignty in it and have avoided it. And with the new star appearing and the Sleepers returning, they have decommissioned all of their gates- and looking at the story so far, it seems like the gates in UUA are gone because of whatever shattered every planet in the systems. This is getting better and better
I simply like your work. Thank you.
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Elisk Skyforge
Night Raven Task Force Night Raven Alliance
45
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Posted - 2014.11.30 11:41:34 -
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CCP Fozzie in episode 2 of o7 talk show said that this system has always been there you just never had access to it so it's possible. |
Xercodo
Vector Galactic Did he say Jump
3886
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Posted - 2014.11.30 12:36:50 -
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Btw I noticed on SiSi someone that appears to be def not a dev has sov up there now too on some of the still conjoined systems. How'd they get there?...
The Drake is a Lie
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Oresome
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.30 15:00:29 -
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Great work, very interesting stuff. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
299
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Posted - 2014.11.30 15:02:42 -
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And the plot thickens
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.30 15:33:27 -
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Just remember, the light at the end of the tunnel could be the front of an oncoming train.
Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!
This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
12
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Posted - 2014.11.30 18:31:16 -
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Though we're getting 101 new systems now, I think there's an extremely good chance that 75 more are to follow. My reasoning is that 25 of the 101 new systems are going to be small-ship only AND have C6 wolf rayett anomalies, which means they've been designed in tandem with the armour-based Amarr T3 destroyer. The Gallente, Caldari and Minmatar will all get their T3s at later dates as part of this arms race storyline, so it makes sense that each race will get its own 25 systems with a different anomaly in each. Most likely the Amarr will get Wolf Rayett (+armour), Caldari will get Pulsar (+shield), Minmatar will get Black Hole (speed), and Gallente will get Magnetar maybe.
So really we're looking for 176 star systems that may or may not already exist on the map, and of which 100 are going to be available immediately, 75 will be unlocked over time, and 1 will be Thera. Interestingly, UUA-F4 (not officially claimed by the Jove) has 101 non-CCP systems and reports suggest that this region is where the star we're seeing in the sky is likely located. From that we can make a few reasonable deductions:
- Thera is likely one of the systems in UUA-F4. Since we know that Thera has a type A0 star from Zakari Kovalis' initial exploration log entry of the system, it must be J-YQEC as it's the only type A0 in the region.
- The stargates in UUA-F4 must have just been destroyed by the shattering event that's going on right now in J-YQEC (Thera).
- 25 of the remaining 100 systems will be the frigate-only shattered systems we get in the initial release and will be tied to the creation of the Amarr T3 destroyer.
- The remaining 75 systems will either be the other non-frigate-sized shattered systems that open up in the patch or the remaining 75 frigate-sized systems that will unlock slowly over time.
Jove space?: If the above deductions are true, then the shattering is occuring to systems near the epicentre and that means the 75 shattered systems that aren't in UUA-F4 (either the 75 larger non-frigate-limited shattered systems or the 75 frigate-sized ones waiting to be unlocked) will be either systems near UUA-F4. That means either the Jove regions of J7HZ-F and A821-A (there are 77 in the J7HZ-F region that could be used) or or it could be undiscovered systems near there that are off the stargate grid.
We know the Jove have tech well beyond the T3 level (I recall from early EVE discussions that they're something like Tech 5), so I don't think CCP's planning to advance the Jovian storyline just yet. That means the 75 shattered systems outside UUA-F4 are either nearby systems that aren't on the Stargate grid or far-away star systems somewhere like Anoikis. Since the "star" isn't visible in Anoikis, it's likely that the shattered systems are just systems near Thera that aren't on the New Eden map and aren't in Jovian space.
SOE and Thera: SOE first arrived in Thera on YC112.07.09, which was shortly after Sansha's Nation somehow mastered wormholes and started launching incursions. We know that Sansha managed to use the wormholes to enter Jove space and steal the station from 3-CE1R a few months prior, so there's no reason SOE couldn't have used the same technology to gain access to J7HZ-F or hitched a ride in cloaked ships.
There are destroyed Gallente stations (the kind SOE use) in orbit around Thera's inner planets, indicating that they have been colonising the system for several years. SOE is obsessed with the EVE Gate, and the Talocan artifacts at the Thera star show that they're doing some kind of experiment on it that has resulted in dozens of unstable microwormholes at the site and has obviously opened Thera's static wormholes. We also know that SOE searched through several shattered systems before finding J7HZ-F, so the shattering event has clearly happened before in the past before the SOE experiments even began.
Assuming that the shattering is responsible for the recent destruction of the stargates in UUA-F4, this indicates that the stargates in the UUA-F4 region were built at some point after the first shattering event, so that wasn't the Seylinn disaster. The presence of Talocan tech all throughout the Thera system and the Talocan experiment at the star itself means that the first shattering was during the Talocan's reign, which is anywhere from 16,000 years before YC0 to about 6,974 before YC0 (emergence of the Caldari empire).
Working theory: My current working theory is that SOE used Sansha's Nation's wormhole-controlling tech to explore UUA-F4 and found systems with shattered planets. They got to J-YQEC and discovered the Talocan equipment on the star, which was designed to extract something from the star and open massive wormholes over long distances (like an artificial EVE Gate). The Talocan may even have been migratory because they were extracting a finite rare resource from stars or testing stars for the potential to open a stable wormhole to Earth.
SOE built up stations in the system and researched the device, then attempted a test by opening a wormhole to the W477-P system (where the "star" has been localised to). Thera's star went unstable and fired off several huge CMEs, destroying the stations on the inner planets and causing the shattering event in the region that destroyed all the stargates. Similar to how the Seylinn disaster caused unstable wormholes to sleeper space, this disaster has opened wormholes to UUA-F4 and Thera gets the most static wormholes as it's the epicentre of the phenomenon.
Thera will become the site of research into creating an artificial supergate to another galaxy to where the Talocan went. Check out the Prophecy trailer from Fanfest 2014, notice how it's in a system with a blue star like Thera? We know CCP plans to have the whole playerbase work together to build and fight over the first player-built stargate, so why not in a hub system like Thera? |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1424
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Posted - 2014.11.30 18:49:01 -
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Nyphur wrote:
Thera will become the site of research into creating an artificial supergate to another galaxy to where the Talocan went. Check out the Prophecy trailer from Fanfest 2014, notice how it's in a system with a blue star like Thera? We know CCP plans to have the whole playerbase work together to build and fight over the first player-built stargate, so why not in a hub system like Thera?
Does not need to be another galaxy...we know that w-space is only around 1300 light years from empire space (for example milky way has a diameter of well over 100.000 Light years)
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
12
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Posted - 2014.11.30 18:54:29 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Nyphur wrote:
Thera will become the site of research into creating an artificial supergate to another galaxy to where the Talocan went. Check out the Prophecy trailer from Fanfest 2014, notice how it's in a system with a blue star like Thera? We know CCP plans to have the whole playerbase work together to build and fight over the first player-built stargate, so why not in a hub system like Thera?
Does not need to be another galaxy...we know that w-space is only around 1300 light years from empire space (for example milky way has a diameter of well over 100.000 Light years)
Good point. New Eden and Anoikis are both in the Milky Way, and it's reasonable to assume the Talocan were trying to get back to Earth. So they've probably either succeeded in opening a wormhole to Earth, destroyed themselves, or went elsewhere within our galaxy. Either way, the supergate will lead to somewhere interesting. |
Oresome
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21
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Posted - 2014.11.30 19:04:23 -
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Nyphur, you really should write the next Eve book, very interesting stuff m8. |
Nishachara
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
9
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Posted - 2014.11.30 20:52:20 -
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Can someone direct me to a news story or a paragraph saying more about that star someone mantioned in this thread. I've seen star brighter than others for few times and it seemed weird but i brushed it off as something of no importance i guess... I am interested whats that all about :D
Also wasn't some bright star few years ago for which nobody knew where it is and why it is so bright, it lasted for few days apparently... |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
7055
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Posted - 2014.11.30 21:54:33 -
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Talocans will return, they will emerge from the monoliths and start destroying everything as this means their self preservation. They will make your eyes bleed by using only their mind.
Recon makes them stronger
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
15
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Posted - 2014.11.30 21:57:23 -
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Oresome wrote:Nyphur, you really should write the next Eve book, very interesting stuff m8. Might make this the topic of my next EVE Evolved article at Massively and put in some more research on it, there'd be one up on it today but I'm only doing one article every two weeks now. The ancient civs storylines are the best part of the EVE lore, and CCP's taking it in a very interesting direction. I'm just glad to be still playing EVE at the time we're working all this stuff out, been waiting for this since the COSMOS constellations were introduced in 2005.
Nishachara wrote:Can someone direct me to a news story or a paragraph saying more about that star someone mantioned in this thread. I've seen star brighter than others for few times and it seemed weird but i brushed it off as something of no importance i guess... I am interested whats that all about :D Also wasn't some bright star few years ago for which nobody knew where it is and why it is so bright, it lasted for few days apparently... Edit: found it... maybe it is of some importance... https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Bright_Star The news post about the new star is here: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/stellar-anomaly-detected-by-capsuleers/ It's clearly the same phenomenon as the one you've linked due to the superluminality, but it can't be occuring in the same location because the stargates in the UUA-F4 region weren't destroyed or shut down in YC109. We also didn't see this phenomenon during the Seylinn disaster, as far as I'm aware, which hints that in that case the "star" event either didn't occur or occurred in Anoikis so it was too far away to see. The same thing's currently going on with the current star being invisible in Anoikis.
If I had to guess, I'd say the star is some kind of unexpected byproduct of trying to fold space with Talocan technology like the kind found in Thera and the Sleeper systems. You try to open the wormhole and on the other end a massive burst of radiation comes out that can somehow move faster than the speed of light. From a distance we'd see that as a bright light appearing in every system at once (the star), but any star system very close to it would get hit by a huge wave of particles going faster than light speed. That's probably what's causing the planets to shatter, destroying stargates etc. It also explains why the star appears to be close to W477-P even though I'm fairly confident that Thera is actually J-YQEC: W477P is the exit point, while J-YQEC is the point of origin.
If that's right then it's very interesting to know that the star effect happened before with no other noticeable effects. It means someone tried to open a Talocan wormhole to somewhere in YC109, and it had to be somewhere less than a few hundred lightyears away because we saw the star. My best guess here would be that the Jove found and tested a Talocan wormhole device or similar technology, which makes it all the more ominous that they haven't contacted us since. |
Nishachara
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2014.11.30 22:45:05 -
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I agree... thank you for the link... but i noticed that first related link on evelopedia article leads to news item you linked, so is that one more comfirmation that events are indeed related ? Also, the star reapeared in march next year, maybe the Jove did more testing with talocan wormhole, as you suggested.
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Radax Glenn
C5 Flight The Serenity Initiative
70
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Posted - 2014.12.01 00:20:55 -
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Great information from all parties!
More images, I've gathered here: Celestial Object in UUA
Question: I'm calculating "around" 14 or 15 light years between JZV-F4 and W477-P using the NeoCom map, and "eyeballing it". Can anyone confirm my numbers? |
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