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Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2015.04.22 02:40:04 -
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In my opinion, this situation was handled very poorly by CCP.
The reason you stopped the BPO sales in the NES was not to favor early adopters, but because it would prevent people from pre-buying the skins they wanted for cheap before the store went live. This in turn meant you guys make more money on the flip side with the more expensive ones.
Personally, I think you should have kept the NES sales up for at least 7 days to let people buy the few skins that were released before hand. At least then the market speculation would have been drastically reduced and people would have less reason to complain about your insane prices as they could get a few of them cheaply. You then could have made a lot of current players happy AND still made a bunch of money on the NEW skins you are releasing... |
Idoru Yoshikawa
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.04.22 02:44:28 -
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Being Minmatar, sadly I won't buy any of the Minmatar skins. I was really looking forward for some cool Minmatar skins and truth is I got a major disappointment.
I find MInmatar SKINs not worth spending the ISK/AUR. No stripes like some Caldari ones, no different colors like some Gallente ones. Nefantar and Krusual skins just look as a slightly polished version of the regular ones. They just look the same to me and most of the times because of light in space, you won't even realize the ship has a different skin.
I would find interesting to know what percentage of the skins sold are Minmatar. I bet it will be a small amount compared to other races.
Definitively, I don't find any Minmatar skin that makes me think my ship will look different at all as others definitively do. And the "rust and dust" aesthetic argument doesn't feel valid at all, to be honest, when we are talking about optional skins.
If you make MInmatar skins that are worth buying I'll be the first one to get them. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1972
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Posted - 2015.04.22 03:15:07 -
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I think the prices are fine. Expensive but not over the top. Luxury items should be expensive to help give a sense of value. These prices are OK.
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Black Romero
Aviation Professionals for EVE Providence Initiative
13
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Posted - 2015.04.22 03:18:09 -
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Dangeresque Too wrote:Black Romero wrote:I would go so far as to call this the preeminent micro-transaction system in MMORPGs. The CHEAPEST ship SKIN being near $5 and the more expensive ones being over $30 and you call this the best micro-transaction of all?
Ya know, at first, I will agree with you... the pricing scheme seemed off, but the more I thought about it I realized that it is probably tied to the complexity of the artwork these guys are doing. I could be wrong, but from my experiencer the small ships probably takes the same as it does for some of the big ships, etc and vice versa so it is hard to judge it in that regard.
i.e. you just can't simply look at the price and complain/judge. my .02 ISK
With that said too, my comment was more directed at the system they came up with. The prices do seem a bit high, but unlike most of the posters complaining here, I am not worried about that. CCP is going to see what sells and what doesn't. If they get their arse handed to them because people are not buying skins at $30 + a skin, they are going to have to reduce it and realize that IS the price point that item is worth to their subscribers. FACT.
They can chose NOT to reduce it, but then nothing will sell and thus the idea of micro-transactions will suck for them.
Free market economics and the will of the consumer will determine the price ultimately so don't get too worried. They are probably just playing with the prices to start.
Me personally, I don't mind paying for artwork both in game and in RL but I too agree I will not pay for something overpriced too. :)
/B
Post- I also too forgot to mention and have not seen mentioned here, how FRICKEN cool the spinning GL ship thing is on the website. I immediately tried to spin the ship and was really impressed with it! Kudo's to the programmers on that! It is like playing EVE out of EVE. Now I can show off the ships to my friends out of game. Thanks. |
Verskon Qaual
Paragon Trust The Bastion
35
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Posted - 2015.04.22 03:29:34 -
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CCP, Congratulations!
You have yet again taken something I was very excited about and have turned my anticipation into disgust.
Your blatant attempt to exploit your passionate customers is a throwback to Greed is Good (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-23-ccp-greed-is-good).
If you had the same pricing for every permanent skin or had the same pricing per tier, even at high prices, that would not have upset me as much.
Instead, you have variable pricing based on desirability, with the best looking skins much more expensive. A lot of those skins just look terrible.
The Marketing Department is ruining what was a very successful Ship Skinning trial run into something that will be derided as much as monocles are.
I understand this is a microtransaction gambit to help the CCP bottom line, I'm fine with that. Skins is something your customers want and you can cheaply deliver. That you had SIX different devs chime in on the Skin Blog's first page of comments, where we had 3 in the pivotal Phase One Sov and 2 in Phase Two Sov posts, shows you understand where your bonus comes from too.
Showing this much interest in the future core EVE mechanics to keep and grow subscriptions would be even better. |
Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
15
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Posted - 2015.04.22 03:29:45 -
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Anything that allows CCP to be more financially sound by tapping into the perceived needs of people with "surplus" money, I'm all in favor.
May many people spend freely. |
Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2015.04.22 03:37:50 -
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Huge disappointment to me that the skins don't cover the T2 or navy versions of ships. Especially since the T1 ship skins are all pretty much fine and it is really only some of the uglier T2 or stupid navy camo that I would even care about changing. For the cost of the skins it should really cover all different versions of a ship. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
120
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Posted - 2015.04.22 03:40:24 -
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The market vitality will be preserved by the ISK:plex:AUR exchange rate, along with attrition - characters going inactive, and potential playerbase growth this coming Summer.
With apparel, it is much more different due to the second hand issue.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1631
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Posted - 2015.04.22 03:56:07 -
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Verskon Qaual wrote: variable pricing based on desirability
Just wanted to point out: this is not something to criticize. This is something that should be expected.
Not that I'm completely on board with the price structure here, mind you, but this isn't one of the problems.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31033
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Posted - 2015.04.22 04:29:07 -
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I thought it was understood this is where SKINs were headed.
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
392
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Posted - 2015.04.22 05:45:15 -
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I love them!
The frigate pricing disparity is curious, though.
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Daionnis
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
31
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Posted - 2015.04.22 05:48:00 -
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While I am relieved to see the positive feedback on this iteration of microtransactions CCP's attempted, I cannot help but by reminded that the vocal minority managed to browbeat CCP down from Incarna content because they bitched and complained over apparel and other microtransaction stuff back in 2011. Oh noes, two or three content releases of Incarna content, woe is us and our poor little spaceship game!
Hypocritical jagoffs. This is why subscriber count is going down, between the toxic community and the fact the game isn't in-line with the current MMO market. Only one of those things can be fixed without drinking copious amounts of bleach. |
DlCard
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
22
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Posted - 2015.04.22 05:56:58 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/aurum-package-changes/
http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/newssystem/media/67122/1/AUR.png
"So right now you can get 225 Aurum per dollar. Soon(TM), you will get as little as 180 Aurum per dollar for low value packs and as much as 212 Aurum per dollar for expensive packs."- coelomate
So CCP is uping the cost of Aurum for the already pricey new ship skins. I guess greed is good, right guys?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VV8gSEtiaXTL0K7WhT-1W-YWgnf8GW2_GAOmZHCpzcY/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
1339
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Posted - 2015.04.22 06:03:14 -
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Daionnis wrote:Hypocritical jagoffs. This is why subscriber count is going down, between the toxic community and the fact the game isn't in-line with the current MMO market. Only one of those things can be fixed without drinking copious amounts of bleach. The subscriber count is going down because there is no great content in the game, which is both the fault of the players and CCP. Instead of providing new and exciting activities, CCP rather opts, in line with the current MMO market, for cheap and useless items for which people have to pay even more money in addition to the subscription. As stated before, I already pay hundreds of Euro per year to keep my accounts subscribed. In order to get access to these skins, I would have to pay another subscriptions' worth of money to them. This is ridiculous. And before you make yourself look bad by saying "Buy it on the market for ISK": These items don't show up there out of thin air and someone else had to pay a subscription's worth of money to buy them. I gladly give you more reasons to biomass as long as keep your toxic support for this garbage to yourself.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
238
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Posted - 2015.04.22 07:03:38 -
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CCP are you considering interracial skins in the future? Amarr skins on caldari ships for example?
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Mister Ripley
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.04.22 07:04:44 -
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Verskon Qaual wrote:CCP, Congratulations!
You have yet again taken something I was very excited about and have turned my anticipation into disgust.
Your blatant attempt to exploit your passionate customers is a throwback to Greed is Good (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-23-ccp-greed-is-good). Would you have read the article you link to, you would know it's about "selling non-vanity items for cash" not "high prices for vanity stuff". I'm really surprised that there are so many people not understanding or remembering what the jita riots and incarna gate were about.
Prices for vanity items are totaly fine. I miss some progression up the ships sizes but it's still fine for me. Also it's a permanent skin now. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1638
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Posted - 2015.04.22 07:06:12 -
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Keeping my money firmly in my pocket until some of the insane prices are lowered. It's a SKIN! It does nothing but momentarily please the eye. It doesn't even dance in my lap.
Nuts! /o\
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
1333
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Posted - 2015.04.22 07:15:45 -
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where is my pink kestral?
Why Can't I have a picture signature.
Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
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Jaantrag
14
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Posted - 2015.04.22 07:25:07 -
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Special Edition ship getting un-specialized ??
http://screencast.com/t/AKKpXZVliW77
think theres a little mistake on this one ...
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Kotori
Sacred Templars DARKNESS.
14
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Posted - 2015.04.22 07:30:16 -
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Dangeresque Too wrote:Lena Lazair wrote:Especially when there are plenty of cheap permanent skins that will settle in the 50-150m range for "poors" to buy in-game as well, assuming people are rational and peg these to the going PLEX/AUR/$/ISK rates. Except the going PLEX/Aur/$/ISK rates put the cheapest of the posted SKINs at 740 Aur, which is about 200m ISK, or roughly $5. Where do you see the 50m ISK ones? As well as a significant number of SKINs going for upwards of PLEX costs, which then leaves a person with the choice, pay for 1 month of game time, or paint my ship some half obscure color most people won't notice cause they will never look that closely at my ship? Heck half of the color schemes are just a few shades different than the standard colors... This is going to be good reading once it hits TQ. I can easily see most players looking at even just a short list of ships they fly and schemes they want that would easily equal being able to pay for an entire year's worth of game time, and that is just a short list. I really feel bad for the people that get suckered into this full out and spend 10's of thousands of Aur on SKINs. Gaia Ma'chello wrote:If the speculation had started 3 weeks ago, I would agree with you. But there was a big spike that started about a day or two before the blog. That indicates something happened a day or two before the blog. There were no new threads, or blogs, or updates to Sisi, to account for it. So what's left? A leak. As Sherlock Holmes would say, whenever all other possibilities have been eliminated, whatever is left must be true. You know what happened a day or two before the blog, people realized it was about a week before the change was going live, which is prime time to do market speculation, I was planning to actually do all my speculating this afternoon when I got home (was going to spend this morning figuring out which old skins I wanted to stock up on) but then I saw the blog and it was too late. Anyone that has been following this and having our feedback ignored since the very beginning knew it was coming and the smarter ones just jumped on it a little quicker than the rest of us.
As i have stated before, I agree, this may well just be coincidence. But surely, someone from Internal Affairs or Security can do an investigation just to be on the safe side...
Ultimately, no one gets hurt if it is genuine speculation, but if it isn't, wouldn't you want to know that someone is commiting foul play? |
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Theo Sotken
Mother Knows Best Corporation
35
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Posted - 2015.04.22 07:31:18 -
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The prices are wrong. Certain players won't care but the majority will struggle to understand and justify paying for skins at these levels. Review the prices now to save a heap of pain later.
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Verskon Qaual
Paragon Trust The Bastion
36
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Posted - 2015.04.22 07:47:10 -
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Mister Ripley wrote: Would you have read the article you link to, you would know it's about "selling non-vanity items for cash" not "high prices for vanity stuff".
Indeed, I didn't really care what the article was about so long as it contained part of the Greed is Good document and some of the commentary on the subject. If the reader bothered to copy the link at all, they could do more research.
As you want a relevant link to my argument, here: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/07/monocles/
CCP Hilmar's response as well http://archive.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/comment-page-1/
However, CCP did learn from that and this time the micro-transactions are purely cosmetic and vanity.
I've been to EvE Vagas to meet the devs. Talked with CCP Seagull about her vision of EvE's future. I'm hopeful.
The reason some of us are freaking out is because we've seen deluded expectations from the top to the bottom of CCP before and want to attempt a constructive feedback and make suggestions that is amicable to all parties. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
442
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Posted - 2015.04.22 08:02:48 -
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I'm finding it slightly hilarious how people slammed the avatar clothes being sold for ridiculous prices, but now many of those same people are scrambling to justify how a spaceship skin is worth the same amount or more of RL money. Arguably, at least many nullseccers and other large fleet fight players will never even see these skins, much like avatar customizations. |
Gempei
Marvinovi pratele Nulli Secunda
78
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Posted - 2015.04.22 08:19:06 -
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Are there plans for more Sarum skins for other big Amarr ships (Archon and Avatar)? Sarum skins are beautiful. :) |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
123
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Posted - 2015.04.22 08:30:42 -
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Kotori wrote:Dangeresque Too wrote:Lena Lazair wrote:Especially when there are plenty of cheap permanent skins that will settle in the 50-150m range for "poors" to buy in-game as well, assuming people are rational and peg these to the going PLEX/AUR/$/ISK rates. Except the going PLEX/Aur/$/ISK rates put the cheapest of the posted SKINs at 740 Aur, which is about 200m ISK, or roughly $5. Where do you see the 50m ISK ones? As well as a significant number of SKINs going for upwards of PLEX costs, which then leaves a person with the choice, pay for 1 month of game time, or paint my ship some half obscure color most people won't notice cause they will never look that closely at my ship? Heck half of the color schemes are just a few shades different than the standard colors... This is going to be good reading once it hits TQ. I can easily see most players looking at even just a short list of ships they fly and schemes they want that would easily equal being able to pay for an entire year's worth of game time, and that is just a short list. I really feel bad for the people that get suckered into this full out and spend 10's of thousands of Aur on SKINs. Gaia Ma'chello wrote:If the speculation had started 3 weeks ago, I would agree with you. But there was a big spike that started about a day or two before the blog. That indicates something happened a day or two before the blog. There were no new threads, or blogs, or updates to Sisi, to account for it. So what's left? A leak. As Sherlock Holmes would say, whenever all other possibilities have been eliminated, whatever is left must be true. You know what happened a day or two before the blog, people realized it was about a week before the change was going live, which is prime time to do market speculation, I was planning to actually do all my speculating this afternoon when I got home (was going to spend this morning figuring out which old skins I wanted to stock up on) but then I saw the blog and it was too late. Anyone that has been following this and having our feedback ignored since the very beginning knew it was coming and the smarter ones just jumped on it a little quicker than the rest of us. As i have stated before, I agree, this may well just be coincidence. But surely, someone from Internal Affairs or Security can do an investigation just to be on the safe side... Ultimately, no one gets hurt if it is genuine speculation, but if it isn't, wouldn't you want to know that someone is commiting foul play?
You people are nuts!
The patch deploys on the 28th, of course there is going to be more demand from entrepreneurs closer we are to D Day.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1623
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Posted - 2015.04.22 08:34:14 -
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Well, the pricing is not unexpected, however, you really need to send your marketing department back for some re-education. Using the techniques designed and implemented in the eighties, and since replaced by better and more profitable methods, is not a good sign.
Profitability of a project, is these days, evaluated on the basis of how it effects the whole profitability of the company, and the overall perception of value presented by the company.
Whilst, this is early days, and one naturally wants to maximise the early adopter income, this is reducing the perception of overall value presented by the whole EVE "package".
Whilst it would be absurd to suggest this will lead to jita riots etc. or even active dissasisfaction, it will unfortunately have negative effects on the overall value perception. This is unwise.
To maximise customer delight, is the current marketing goal in the wider market, whilst growing brand value.
This is unfortunately being forgotten here.
Sorry but 10/10 to the art and development team, marketing however seriously needs to be re-engineered as they are currently a net negative to the CCP brand.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1975
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Posted - 2015.04.22 08:51:53 -
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I have read through the thread and I think people are getting a bit silly about the cost. First, they can be traded in game. This makes a big difference because you have the option of not paying a cent for your skin. Second, I wasn't really interested in the single use skin model but am very tempted by the Incursus skin now that it is more expensive and exclusive. They were a joke before because they were throwaways. Now they have value.
I like that they are expensive.
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
393
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Posted - 2015.04.22 08:54:58 -
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Zappity wrote:I have read through the thread and I think people are getting a bit silly about the cost. First, they can be traded in game. This makes a big difference because you have the option of not paying a cent for your skin. Second, I wasn't really interested in the single use skin model but am very tempted by the Incursus skin now that it is more expensive and exclusive. They were a joke before because they were throwaways. Now they have value.
Yapp.
If one doesn't see value in acquiring it through AUR, then purchase on the market for ISK - very good creative "sink" in my opinion.
Opportunity for those who currently purchase PLEX, too.
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Spugg Galdon
Nisroc Angels
662
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Posted - 2015.04.22 08:57:41 -
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This all looks very very good.
For those of you saying the prices are too high; maybe they are but, this way CCP can do "SALES" and you can get them cheap every now and then! |
Ix Method
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
439
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Posted - 2015.04.22 09:12:59 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Well, the pricing is not unexpected, however, you really need to send your marketing department back for some re-education. Using the techniques designed and implemented in the eighties, and since replaced by better and more profitable methods, is not a good sign. It's the same with their clothing merch, makes you wonder who does their market research. Marketing -ú100 hoodies at a significant chunk of your hardcore that can play only because they have the spare time to plex is bizarre. It's taken a backseat given how amazing some of the development has been recently but the way they price merch/microtransactions has always been a bit pants on head ********.
But at the end of the day it's their loss, can always argue both ways on the -ú-ú-ú but certainly in goodwill and perception. There's plenty of us that would support if stuff was priced properly but so it goes.
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