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DirtyHarry
Caldari Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:28:00 -
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nananananananana FORUM WARS
sorry just had to
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Kastar
Chronodynamics
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:28:00 -
[182]
I'm very fond of the ingame politics, but what I still don't get is why people still make an issue out of MC being based where they are now and not having taken a contract on Bob yet.
They are a Merc Alliance, they messed with the best and bit powerful ankles around the galaxy. What exactly is wrong with setting up shop in what's probably the safest place in the galaxy to make it as hard as possible on potential enemies ? In the end, they are still a group that needs to be managed and from the looks of it, they are indeed managed very well.
Because of the above, I don't see any problem with them being at least hesitant to take on a contract against immediate neighbours or hosts. I say specifically "OR", since the nature of the agreement is between them.
It's wonderful that some people can push the tinfoil hattery to it's limit while overlooking the simplest explanation. Occam's Razor anyone ?
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:30:00 -
[183]
I think too many ppl mistake "mercs" for "Knights in shining armour"
picking and choosing what contracts they take sounds exactly like "true merc" IMO
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Zrevak Ashek
The Blackwater Brigade
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:36:00 -
[184]
MC is basically in very much the same position as RL Blackwater. True, Blackwater is def mercenaries, taking contracts from federal law enforcement agencies, the Department of Defense, Department of State, and Department of Transportation, US local and state entities, multi-national corporations, and US friendly nations from all over the globe. Since Blackwater is a US corporation, it'd be pretty silly to accept a contract from a nation hostile to the US, or someone who seeks to destroy its hometown There are limits to any mercenary outfit. The truth is; you cant really be a merc that is 100% independent.
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Rina Shanu
Computer-Aided General Exploitation
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:50:00 -
[185]
You want BoB dead ? This is your answer: go to the mercenary list, find the best in the list. Now work out which are the best and order your list. From those substract MC. Add MC to your enemy list. Let's say you are now left with A, B, C, D, E mercenary corporations. Hire all these at once on a common contract against the duality of BoB and MC. Present to them a strong plan, and precise purposes like blowing up outposts, number of kills, disrupting a certain areas operations both military and industrial. That's it.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:58:00 -
[186]
Originally by: LoxyRider Chances of finding someone with the money, plan, friends and the balls are slim. But that is just not the MC's fault.
Why this man would need MC if he is got already everything to win ?
Of course, i can take MC position and say : I will run through Red Square in Moscow naked, if Bill Gates will transfer 1b $ to my bank account, but somehow i doubt that this will happen. Same here. Noone will bother to buy MC services against BoB, if it will cost 120b (price of 4 outposts, i`m not counting assets here). You knew about this, despite that - you put yourself in that position AND continue to stating "we do what our client wants".
Just state : "Yes, we have strong ties with bob. We wont attack them in any case, because we want our own sandbox to play in. If somebody contact MC, and we know that enemy is unable to hit us - we are signing contract. If enemy can hit us back we will sign contract only if our contractor will provide us with loads of meatshield, otherwise we are too afraid of losing our "omg, we are teh destructor" status".
Everybody is ok with MC working with BoB, but many people smacking you because while you are doing that, you are stating that you are innocent sheep. I hope that this is clear enough for you.
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:07:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: LoxyRider Chances of finding someone with the money, plan, friends and the balls are slim. But that is just not the MC's fault.
Why this man would need MC if he is got already everything to win ?
Of course, i can take MC position and say : I will run through Red Square in Moscow naked, if Bill Gates will transfer 1b $ to my bank account, but somehow i doubt that this will happen. Same here. Noone will bother to buy MC services against BoB, if it will cost 120b (price of 4 outposts, i`m not counting assets here). You knew about this, despite that - you put yourself in that position AND continue to stating "we do what our client wants".
Just state : "Yes, we have strong ties with bob. We wont attack them in any case, because we want our own sandbox to play in. If somebody contact MC, and we know that enemy is unable to hit us - we are signing contract. If enemy can hit us back we will sign contract only if our contractor will provide us with loads of meatshield, otherwise we are too afraid of losing our "omg, we are teh destructor" status".
Everybody is ok with MC working with BoB, but many people smacking you because while you are doing that, you are stating that you are innocent sheep. I hope that this is clear enough for you.
We are in it for a profit. Thats our role, taking a contract on bob would be a huge risk therefore the huge price tag and conditions.
Im sorry but thats just all there is to it. You can trying to bend the situation all you like, try to make it look complicated with all these backroom deals and so on but its not, its very very simple.
I really like how thoth put it tbh:
Quote: I think too many ppl mistake "mercs" for "Knights in shining armour" picking and choosing what contracts they take sounds exactly like "true merc" IMO
We will take a contract on bob, mail me if you have the isk and the plan.
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Karmic
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: LoxyRider Chances of finding someone with the money, plan, friends and the balls are slim. But that is just not the MC's fault.
Why this man would need MC if he is got already everything to win ?
Of course, i can take MC position and say : I will run through Red Square in Moscow naked, if Bill Gates will transfer 1b $ to my bank account, but somehow i doubt that this will happen. Same here. Noone will bother to buy MC services against BoB, if it will cost 120b (price of 4 outposts, i`m not counting assets here). You knew about this, despite that - you put yourself in that position AND continue to stating "we do what our client wants".
Just state : "Yes, we have strong ties with bob. We wont attack them in any case, because we want our own sandbox to play in. If somebody contact MC, and we know that enemy is unable to hit us - we are signing contract. If enemy can hit us back we will sign contract only if our contractor will provide us with loads of meatshield, otherwise we are too afraid of losing our "omg, we are teh destructor" status".
Everybody is ok with MC working with BoB, but many people smacking you because while you are doing that, you are stating that you are innocent sheep. I hope that this is clear enough for you.
Nope I need me spec's. - - - - - - - - -
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:13:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: LoxyRider Chances of finding someone with the money, plan, friends and the balls are slim. But that is just not the MC's fault.
Why this man would need MC if he is got already everything to win ?
Of course, i can take MC position and say : I will run through Red Square in Moscow naked, if Bill Gates will transfer 1b $ to my bank account, but somehow i doubt that this will happen. Same here. Noone will bother to buy MC services against BoB, if it will cost 120b (price of 4 outposts, i`m not counting assets here). You knew about this, despite that - you put yourself in that position AND continue to stating "we do what our client wants".
Just state : "Yes, we have strong ties with bob. We wont attack them in any case, because we want our own sandbox to play in. If somebody contact MC, and we know that enemy is unable to hit us - we are signing contract. If enemy can hit us back we will sign contract only if our contractor will provide us with loads of meatshield, otherwise we are too afraid of losing our "omg, we are teh destructor" status".
Everybody is ok with MC working with BoB, but many people smacking you because while you are doing that, you are stating that you are innocent sheep. I hope that this is clear enough for you.
Don't even bother. A lot of people have made posts like yours and we still get the same thing thrown back - MC need a plan. Yet everytime I ask what exactly kind of plan they expect, I somehow become invisible/ignored ____________
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: maGz
Don't even bother. A lot of people have made posts like yours and we still get the same thing thrown back - MC need a plan. Yet everytime I ask what exactly kind of plan they expect, I somehow become invisible/ignored
I replied to you last time, did you miss it? ----------------------------------------
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:16:00 -
[191]
Well what Evil Thug said...
I feel exactly the same.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:19:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: LoxyRider Chances of finding someone with the money, plan, friends and the balls are slim. But that is just not the MC's fault.
Why this man would need MC if he is got already everything to win ? [/QUOTE]
Well, it seems that ASCN has money, a plan (to an extent), some friends, and brass ones (well, in a manner of speaking). Bang up job they're doing, eh?
Everyone who hires us has money, most have a plan, some have the balls to fly with us into combat, and plenty have friends, it's just that they need that something extra that we provide, usually condensed pwn in a can and a cool banner.
Quote: Of course, i can take MC position and say : I will run through Red Square in Moscow naked, if Bill Gates will transfer 1b $ to my bank account, but somehow i doubt that this will happen. Same here. Noone will bother to buy MC services against BoB, if it will cost 120b (price of 4 outposts, i`m not counting assets here). You knew about this, despite that - you put yourself in that position AND continue to stating "we do what our client wants".
No. This is a bad analogy. We are not asking a targeted individual to pay us, nor do we face real-life consequences (Russian jail). We are also well-known to EVE, so stand a much more likely chance to get some potential client than random video gamer guy who offers to streak the Kremlin. Also, read my huge post about how our decision-making processes work much differently in EVE than irl.
Quote: Just state : "Yes, we have strong ties with bob. We wont attack them in any case, because we want our own sandbox to play in. If somebody contact MC, and we know that enemy is unable to hit us - we are signing contract. If enemy can hit us back we will sign contract only if our contractor will provide us with loads of meatshield, otherwise we are too afraid of losing our "omg, we are teh destructor" status".
How about, "We have a mutually beneficial relationship which we will not jeapordize unless we have some very good assurances that we will not wind up homeless and broke once the retaliation for this is done." A good plan would also potentially involve some way to keep us from losing our home at all. It's not about meatshields, it's about not doing something idiotic.
Quote: Everybody is ok with MC working with BoB, but many people smacking you because while you are doing that, you are stating that you are innocent sheep. I hope that this is clear enough for you.
I sincerely doubt that and imagine you are low on evidence to back it up. We won't "work with BoB" unless they want to take it upon themselves to contract us, same as anybody else. ASCN HC understand that, it would seem, as they have us set blue and we have reciprocated. They get the fact that we are not interested in helping BoB without a contract.
Somehow, I predict that conceding what you are looking for a concession on (which is ill-founded and incorrect for the reasons above) would be followed by a rash of "Z0MG MC ISNT NY00TRAL! LOLLERSKATEZ AND TINFOIL! WHEEE!" posts. I think you overestimate the maturity and logical capacity of your average EVE-O forum *****.
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:20:00 -
[193]
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: LoxyRider Chances of finding someone with the money, plan, friends and the balls are slim. But that is just not the MC's fault.
Why this man would need MC if he is got already everything to win ?
Of course, i can take MC position and say : I will run through Red Square in Moscow naked, if Bill Gates will transfer 1b $ to my bank account, but somehow i doubt that this will happen. Same here. Noone will bother to buy MC services against BoB, if it will cost 120b (price of 4 outposts, i`m not counting assets here). You knew about this, despite that - you put yourself in that position AND continue to stating "we do what our client wants".
Just state : "Yes, we have strong ties with bob. We wont attack them in any case, because we want our own sandbox to play in. If somebody contact MC, and we know that enemy is unable to hit us - we are signing contract. If enemy can hit us back we will sign contract only if our contractor will provide us with loads of meatshield, otherwise we are too afraid of losing our "omg, we are teh destructor" status".
Everybody is ok with MC working with BoB, but many people smacking you because while you are doing that, you are stating that you are innocent sheep. I hope that this is clear enough for you.
Don't even bother. A lot of people have made posts like yours and we still get the same thing thrown back - MC need a plan. Yet everytime I ask what exactly kind of plan they expect, I somehow become invisible/ignored
If you come to us with "Shoot bob" you will be turned away, even for a large contract sum and the isk to cover our certain losses its just not worth the hassle of loosing our space.
If you come with a plan that has the backing of alliances and corps, that we can see something is actually going to happen, that our input will actually mean something and we are not going to throw everything away just to be left alone to fight against bob then we are interested.
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:22:00 -
[194]
eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:25:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there ____________
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:30:00 -
[196]
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
The difference, kind reader, is that the IAC campaign had nothing to do with destroying IAC and the plan suggested by the original poster did.
Engaging your brain is very helpful when trying to determine if an analogy is appropriate or not. This one is not.
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
Good friends with IAC? I wouldn't say that. IIRC there were some trying to take out our people as we left, and there was talk of wanting to kill a freighter or two of ours. Honestly, I think it's a matter of proximity and ability. It's not the aftermath of a campaign against BoB that is likely to be costly, but the prosecution of the war itself. Look at the map and you'll understand. In fighting BoB, the best defense in their case is a good offense against us, and we have lots of assets in easy striking distance. Even after the contract they would be understandably hesitant to just hand us back our stuff and let us live in the middle of that big smear of blue on Josh's map.
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:35:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
It might happen with BoB, it might not. Who knows? We like our targets to think that it's nothing personal, but that doesn't always happen. Why should we bother finding out what BoB would do when we have 20 other well-paid contracts that have less potential to cause hassle for us? It's just common sense. ----------------------------------------
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:38:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
The difference, kind reader, is that the IAC campaign had nothing to do with destroying IAC and the plan suggested by the original poster did.
Engaging your brain is very helpful when trying to determine if an analogy is appropriate or not. This one is not.
If you engaged your brain and read the entirety of the thread you might realise that currently the discussion is about just that - MC shooting BoB. Not to destroy them, just shooting them 'til their ships die from it.
In which case - Omeegas analogy is on spot.
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:39:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
It might happen with BoB, it might not. Who knows? We like our targets to think that it's nothing personal, but that doesn't always happen. Why should we bother finding out what BoB would do when we have 20 other well-paid contracts that have less potential to cause hassle for us? It's just common sense.
well the other contracts are against alliances wich are much weaker than BOB and wich won't come bother you in your own lands as you have BOB near your house.
But again, understand me well - im seleene's #1 fan same for lots of the MC guys. I'm not here to cause trouble.
You know what im capable of and i'm realy staying civil and constructive without any efforts :)
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
The difference, kind reader, is that the IAC campaign had nothing to do with destroying IAC and the plan suggested by the original poster did.
Engaging your brain is very helpful when trying to determine if an analogy is appropriate or not. This one is not.
Oh yah we forgot that dread rushes were for the bonus aspect of the contract not the contract itself
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:42:00 -
[202]
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
The difference, kind reader, is that the IAC campaign had nothing to do with destroying IAC and the plan suggested by the original poster did.
Engaging your brain is very helpful when trying to determine if an analogy is appropriate or not. This one is not.
If you engaged your brain and read the entirety of the thread you might realise that currently the discussion is about just that - MC shooting BoB. Not to destroy them, just shooting them 'til their ships die from it.
In which case - Omeegas analogy is on spot.
Just their ships? I'd question the client's sanity in that instance. Pay an alliance who loves pvp to shoot at another alliance who loves pvp. If we could have assurances that capitals wouldn't be involved on either side, I think that's a whole different discussion. As a matter of fact, I am reasonably sure someone mentioned this earlier.
Your vague argument makes us answer for all possible contingencies while you can immediately fall back to the single subset of the vague argument that allows you the greatest rhetorical advantage.
Narrow it down and we can discuss it in a reasonable fashion. I have no problem discussing the MC and our policies, so long as people behave themselves. So let's keep it civil, and we'll talk.
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:44:00 -
[203]
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
IAC are not all that close to our space and we had/have no continuing arrangements with them. We were impressed with their response and hold the contract as a very good one. As far as I know IAC have no real ill feelings and have set us to neutral so we have of course done the same.
BOB are right next door, and we of course have the arrangement which gives us our space to use. If we accepted a contract against them (which would therefore be one to pose a serious threat to bob) and they prevailed I would expect them to take our stations etc... Heck if they feel that we were just doing our jobs and were willing to go back to good standings then that would be pretty nice too and I am sure we would follow. But we can hardly accept a contract on them counting on them saying "oh well thats fine, you can continue to stay in period basis and we wont attack back".
I really don't see why this is so complicated, is there anything not straight forward and so obvious in what I typed?
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:44:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
The difference, kind reader, is that the IAC campaign had nothing to do with destroying IAC and the plan suggested by the original poster did.
Engaging your brain is very helpful when trying to determine if an analogy is appropriate or not. This one is not.
oh god, you're talking about my brain.
when you can't even f**king read the number one post of the thread.
talk about a hamster IQ you got there.
p.s. brain turned on or off.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:44:00 -
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Quite honestly the OP of this thread hasnt even come here with any proof yet that he even came to us for a quote and isn't just trying to cause trouble.
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:46:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Quite honestly the OP of this thread hasnt even come here with any proof yet that he even came to us for a quote and isn't just trying to cause trouble.
pretty true yeah. but still i think it's a crusty and interesting point the alt made :)
anyways, I am going to sleep.
See you all ;)
♥
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:47:00 -
[207]
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 13/11/2006 21:48:32
Originally by: maGz A lot of people have made posts like yours and we still get the same thing thrown back - MC need a plan. Yet everytime I ask what exactly kind of plan they expect, I somehow become invisible/ignored
I'd be looking for a plan all the way through to the occupation of Period Basis and southern Delve. Given our location in PB, any contract against BOB would have to be one they couldn't get back up from. What would the role be of the force you saw us deploy in G-7WUF, a force that IAC+AXE+misc were able to outblob on the second part of POS sieges, in your plan to knock BOB out?
Myn
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:48:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Omeega
well the other contracts are against alliances wich are much weaker than BOB and wich won't come bother you in your own lands as you have BOB near your house.
But again, understand me well - im seleene's #1 fan same for lots of the MC guys. I'm not here to cause trouble.
You know what im capable of and i'm realy staying civil and constructive without any efforts :)
Thank you for staying civil Omeega. You know we all <3 you (especially Waagaa) :)
As to your first point - yes, we do mostly fight against people weaker than BoB. So do almost everyone in the game (including aAa). It's not always about the biggest challenge all the time, or you'd be fighting BoB right now instead of AXE ;). ----------------------------------------
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:53:00 -
[209]
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 13/11/2006 21:58:03
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
The difference, kind reader, is that the IAC campaign had nothing to do with destroying IAC and the plan suggested by the original poster did.
Engaging your brain is very helpful when trying to determine if an analogy is appropriate or not. This one is not.
If you engaged your brain and read the entirety of the thread you might realise that currently the discussion is about just that - MC shooting BoB. Not to destroy them, just shooting them 'til their ships die from it.
In which case - Omeegas analogy is on spot.
Sadly, you are wrong. The thread originated on a plan to attack and destroy BoB. Read again.
Edit: And to clarify for Omega, read the entire thread. MC say that shooting at BoB is useless, and it is given the risks. Hence, the only plan they will consider is destruction of the alliance, therefore, a plan. Given this, obviously the analogy is incorrect.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor MC say that shooting at BoB is useless
When you are buying bottle of vodka (for example) do you want seller to complain how bad alcohol is ?
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