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BruThoL Godfather
League of Marginally Above Average Gentlepersons
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:23:00 -
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Hey there.
I'd like to go for this type of ship. Though I read some wikis, forums, ... but it seems it was re-worked recently and now SB are really different.
So, here are my questions :
- What's the best SB in your opinion, and why ? How would you fit it? - Can someone still un-cloak you when going near you (2km)? - Can you warp while cloaked? - Skills of a good SB? - Tips and tricks? other things to know? Maybe a link to a recent guide?
Thanks by advance. |

AdamiaMaxima
4U Services Inc. 4U Holdings Inc
4
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Posted - 2012.03.13 13:02:00 -
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Google is your Friend. You cant outrun death forever, but you sure can make the people trying to kill you work for it.-a |

BruThoL Godfather
League of Marginally Above Average Gentlepersons
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Posted - 2012.03.13 13:43:00 -
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AdamiaMaxima wrote:Google is your Friend.
What didn't you understand in "Though I read some wikis, forums, ... but it seems it was re-worked recently and now SB are really different." ?
You know, if you don't know anything about the subject you can as well just su. 
Thanks. |

Mordeth Ventox
Perpetua Umbra Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 15:22:00 -
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Stealth Bomber Basics -
First things first...bombers are not WTFPWN boats. When applied correctly the damage they do can be quite substantial. If used improperly they won't do jack. Couple things to note for solo bomber pilot.
- Leave the torps at home. They are like a side arm on a solider...a weapon of last resort at best. - Only fit 1 bomb launcher. - Fit an offline probe launcher if you are in unfamiliar territory or trying to scan down miners. Bombing jet cans full of ore is a plentiful source of tears. - Put warp core stabilizers in your low slots. They have saved my ass more times than I can count. - Find and bookmark jump bridges. If you time your bombs right you can pop many haulers as they try to align or as they warp in. - Don't bomb frigs. They won't die, they will just lock and pop you. - Plan plan plan. Make bookmarks in your target system before you start bombing. Warp to your target (gate, jump bridge, etc) at optimal range while cloaked and drop a BM. Make tactical bookmarks 200-300km off gates so you can avoid bubbles. Don't I repeat DON'T bomb flycatchers or HICs you will die in a fire. - Pick a few active systems (high/low sec borders with null sec are typically great places to hang out as they are often gate camped 24/7). Live in these systems...become very comfortable there. - Never underestimate the OTHER benefits a bomber can have. Like making miners (real and bots) safe up. They are also great for popping the jet cans the miners leave behind in space as they warp off. If you hang out in some hot zones where big alliances are fighting, a well placed lock breaker bomb can really disrupt the remote rep battleship fleets. None of these will get you kills on your board, but they will help you extract many tears.
I hope this helps! |

BolsterBomb
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
19
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Posted - 2012.03.13 15:46:00 -
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Mordeth Ventox wrote:Stealth Bomber Basics -
First things first...bombers are not WTFPWN boats. When applied correctly the damage they do can be quite substantial. If used improperly they won't do jack. Couple things to note for solo bomber pilot.
- Leave the torps at home. They are like a side arm on a solider...a weapon of last resort at best. - Only fit 1 bomb launcher. - Fit an offline probe launcher if you are in unfamiliar territory or trying to scan down miners. Bombing jet cans full of ore is a plentiful source of tears. - Put warp core stabilizers in your low slots. They have saved my ass more times than I can count. - Find and bookmark jump bridges. If you time your bombs right you can pop many haulers as they try to align or as they warp in. - Don't bomb frigs. They won't die, they will just lock and pop you. - Plan plan plan. Make bookmarks in your target system before you start bombing. Warp to your target (gate, jump bridge, etc) at optimal range while cloaked and drop a BM. Make tactical bookmarks 200-300km off gates so you can avoid bubbles. Don't I repeat DON'T bomb flycatchers or HICs you will die in a fire. - Pick a few active systems (high/low sec borders with null sec are typically great places to hang out as they are often gate camped 24/7). Live in these systems...become very comfortable there. - Never underestimate the OTHER benefits a bomber can have. Like making miners (real and bots) safe up. They are also great for popping the jet cans the miners leave behind in space as they warp off. If you hang out in some hot zones where big alliances are fighting, a well placed lock breaker bomb can really disrupt the remote rep battleship fleets. None of these will get you kills on your board, but they will help you extract many tears.
I hope this helps!
This is bad info completely.
A) First torps are your friend and your primary friend. B) Bombs cannot be used in high sec or low sec only null sec C) Dont fit a probe launcher thats dumb, your cloaked use your Dscan the idea is to surprise them not "hey heres a probe that will pop up on your dscanner compliments of the dumb bomber pilot" D) This guy must be trolling...warp core stabs in your lows lmao......
Here is a run down of the bombers,
Purifier and Hound are your best solo bombers due to slot layout and cpu/grid. Purifier IMO is the best due to the bonus you get on EM damage. This allows you to do more damage against ratting drakes and ravens.
The Manticore is the best FLEET bomber due to its mid slots. It allows fleets to fit ewar effectively. My fleets use a combination of target painters / warp disrupters / trakcing disrupter / damps
IMO bombs are lousy by themself because you wont have a lot of time to stick around and fight if you are bombing. Bombing is very difficult for new pilots due to the timing and direction of the enemy ships movement and the bomb.
What the bomb is good for is that one time "boom" in dmg. However you will never insta pop anything with a bomb (unless its a mwd frig but even then I wouldnt risk it)
Your primary targets are going to be industrials. Best thing to do is find the PI areas and camp there. Get used to how you need to be aligned, your range control, etc before you take on any fighting ships. This will teach you how to fly your bomber.
The best systems to camp our 0.0 systems deep deep deep in alliance territory. you will want to scout and do your recon finding PI planets, jump bridges and sanctum systems. I would not mess with any JB until you are comfortable as timing is everything with those.
http://abomberslifeonthehighropes.blogspot.com/
Thats the blog I wrote when i was learning to fly bombers.
Lt. Colonel of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |

abissshooter
Vengance Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:00:00 -
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Join "bombers bar" chat channel , bunch of bombers there, willl be able to answer any questions you have.
and dont listen to Mordeth Ventox, torps are GREAT, bombs are good but usually better when you have a few bombers in one place. |

Mordeth Ventox
Perpetua Umbra Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:00:00 -
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You sir are the troll. First I said SOLO bomber. Second warp core stabs are very beneficial as they offer a bomber only pilot no penalty as bombs don't use targeting (they are dumb fire). So you get the benefit of being able to warp off while some punk in an interceptor tries to scram you. (i fly a nemesis so 2 core stabs for me).
And anyone that as EVER flown a bomber as a BOMBER ..knows that torps are **** solo.
You can try all the things I listed and see for yourself. You will swear by them. Trust me. |

abissshooter
Vengance Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:32:00 -
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Mordeth Ventox, again you are incorrect, when flown properly; torps are a GREAT assets to bombers. When flown incorrectly they can get you into a world of trouble. If you are flying without torps or anything that requires targeting, then stabs are acceptable, due to their reduction in targeting range; but to get the max efficiency out of your bomber TORPS BCU and some rigs work wonders. You are acting just like most of eve and thinking bomber only take out haulers, and I actually encourage that, due to that making me underestimated, and therefore usually have the upper hand.
Obviously you have to pick and choose your targets but you are making it seem like you canGGVt kill anything that can defend itself, which is incorrect, usually much more difficult solo, but being that solo PVP in any ship is pretty much dead I find this an irrelevant point. Solo killing in this ship is possible, though.
BUT back to the OP, really join the Bombers Bar, there are usually 20+ bombers in there we fleet up almost every night, and have are always looking to help some up and coming bombers fly these ships correctly . Also donGGVt get discouraged you will get a few bombers blown up when learning since they do have a steep learning curve but the first kill you get with a bomber and you will see why there are those that love flying them.
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Mordeth Ventox
Perpetua Umbra Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 17:06:00 -
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Let it be said that torps on a bomber (while in a mixed fleet) are essential AND deadly. They just add to your bomber cost when going solo. I shall endeavor to drop in to your bomber chat sometime..maybe I can show you fine folks some of the wonders of the warp stab fit bomber. ;D |

eatsbabies cienfuegos
The Sound Of Freedom
5
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:58:00 -
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BruThoL Godfather wrote:Hey there.
I'd like to go for this type of ship. Though I read some wikis, forums, ... but it seems it was re-worked recently and now SB are really different.
So, here are my questions :
- What's the best SB in your opinion, and why ? How would you fit it? - Can someone still un-cloak you when going near you (2km)? - Can you warp / MWD while cloaked? - Skills of a good SB? - Tips and tricks? other things to know? Maybe a link to a recent guide?
Thanks by advance.
the manticore is best in my opinion, as e-war is going to keep you alive. you'll have no tank.
yes, if someone decloaks within 2 km, you will get decloaked, but two cloaked ships will not decloak eachother
you can warp, but not mwd with a cov ops cloak.
torpedoes 5 wil lbe the most useful skill you get. the freedom that javelin torpedoes lends is un-matched.
join the bomber's bar. it's a chatroom within the EVE. |
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Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:58:00 -
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In my experience there are 3 types of bombers.
The bomblauncher bombers, a bomber that drops bombs. No torpedoes are needed. Basically what you need is a cloak a bomblauncher an mwd nanos and I prefer 1 warpcore stab in the lows. You fly these in gangs of like 20-30 in large scale fleet engagements where you can do tremendous amount of damage. I helps a lot if a few people in your have a probelauncher installed. Actually, while not needed for the bombing, you want also people with torps to kill people that have disconnected and are floating 1 million km from the battle with 15 min aggression timer.
Then you have the torpedo bombers. Those really don't need a bomblauncher. Forget about it because not fitting on give your powergrid and cpu to enhance your torpedo damage and even with good skills use T2 torpedoes. Those will always have at least one and preferable 2 ballistic control systems in the lows.
Those come in 2 flavors, -the mwd flavor which is great at fighting at range you can easily get 55-60km if not more with the right skills and rigs. -the afterburner flavor which is extremely good at fighting at hostile jumpbridges. Because of the low sig it takes the pos ages to lock you.
I like to fly both mwd and afterburner with sensor damps in the mids but that's personal preference.
What you don't do is try to make an alround bomber because they're bad at whatever you're doing now. Just buy a few more, they're cheap.
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Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
44
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:47:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1202308
A wee bit dated, but an invaluable and comprehensive guide to Bombers, fits and tactics.
Plus, the author has the kb stats to back up his advice  The box said "Requires Windows-a2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |

M1k3y Koontz
Taxes Suck Inc.
21
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Posted - 2012.03.14 01:20:00 -
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If you have only ONE damp and no friends with you that also are carrying damps, that damp will do far too little so its better off as a target painter.
For a bombing run, you need many friends to make sure you kill stuff, 6400 dmg isn't enough to break much more than a stationary frigate with it's MWD active. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |

Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2012.03.14 06:09:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:If you have only ONE damp and no friends with you that also are carrying damps, that damp will do far too little so its better off as a target painter. 2 bombers with 2 scripted range damps each will bring the targeting range from a hurricane from 56 to less then 14 km. That means if you have an interceptor tackling the hurricane can't lock it. Yes, damps are for group-play. And targetpainters are also nice.
Quote:For a bombing run, you need many friends to make sure you kill stuff, 6400 dmg isn't enough to break much more than a stationary frigate with it's MWD active. Bombing is done in groups, I have had hug successes killing 100s of maelstroms deciding battles and even going so far as to say having an impact on fleet doctrines. Our enemies stopped using alphamaels and went back to drakes, just because they're less vulnerable to bombers.
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Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
176
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Posted - 2012.03.14 07:06:00 -
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Sjugar wrote:In my experience there are 3 types of bombers.
The bomblauncher bombers, a bomber that drops bombs. No torpedoes are needed. Basically what you need is a cloak a bomblauncher an mwd, nanos and I prefer 1 warpcore stab in the lows. You fly these in gangs of like 20-30 in large scale fleet engagements where you can do tremendous amounts of damage. It helps a lot if a few people in your gang have a probelauncher installed. Actually, while not needed for the bombing, you want also people with torps to kill people that have disconnected and are floating 1 million km from the battle with 15 min aggression timer.
This is a good bomb launcher fit, and there are many variations due to personal preference, for example I fit my manti out with MSE, EM Resistance amp, Afterburner, 2 warp core stabs, cloak, and a bomb launcher. This allows me to run camps, bomb and take a standard hit from a HAC without popping.
Sjugar wrote:Then you have the torpedo bombers. Those really don't need a bomblauncher. Forget about it because not fitting one gives you powergrid and cpu to enhance your torpedo damage and even with good skills use T2 torpedoes. Those will always have at least one and preferable 2 ballistic control systems in the lows.
Those come in 2 flavors, -the mwd flavor which is great at fighting at range you can easily get 55-60km if not more with the right skills and rigs. -the afterburner flavor which is extremely good at fighting at hostile jumpbridges. Because of the low sig it takes the pos ages to lock you.
I like to fly both mwd and afterburner with sensor damps in the mids but that's personal preference. But with a few range damps, lowering someones targeting range to less then 15km is actually quite easily doable.
The torp bomber is amazing, just saying.
There is also one more fit type that I know of and that is the Bomber Commander fit, its advanced and requires maxed out fitting skills with rigs. Good fit, not 100% sure on the exact layout, I'm sure again it's with personal preference to some extent.
I have had many 'discussions' on the best way to layout bombers, recons, and black ops. They are dominated by personal preferences because of the nature of anything covert ops. It depends on your style of flying, get something that you like and run with it. Read the guides referenced here and practice with a good corp. Everything will fall into place soon.
As for the changes to bombers, the major overhaul to bombers happened in the Apocrypha expansion in 2009, while a more recent small change happened with the Crucible expansion where cloaked ships within 2000 meters of each other don't decloak each other. Before that bombers were more like Black Ops, a niche ship but no one really flew them.
Gerrick |

BruThoL Godfather
League of Marginally Above Average Gentlepersons
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:48:00 -
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BolsterBomb : About the blog, it is great! I really enjoy reading your stories. Maybe you should add some details on how the fight are going though
abissshooter : As soon as I get my 1st bomber (in 20 days says my skills table), I'll join your chat channel. Thanks for the invitation
Bibosikus : Big thanks for that link!
Thank you all for your answers The topic is still open for fits and tips (some punisher fits would be nice) :] |

Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:25:00 -
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If you still need a bit of input, here are my thoughts :
1 - The 2 best bombers are Hound and Purifier.
They have a slot configuration that allows you to optimize the ship where as the nemesis and the Manticore lack a low slot making them useless in some ways.
2 - Torps are essential, anyone saying not to fit them is clueless.
A standard fit would be :
High:
Cloak 3 Torp Launchers (Arbalest are not expensive and will fit right in if you don't have T2) Bomb Launcher.
Mid :
MWD Target Painter Warp Disruptor or Remote Sensor Dampener or 2nd Target Painter
Low :
Ballistic Control Unit Nanofiber Internal II CPU Upgrade II (you will most likely need this but if you don't, another Nanofiber or another BCU).
That's pretty much your standard fit for a solo SB.
With a fit like this, you can solo battleships in a 1v1, but for that you would need that Disruptor. Don't make the mistake or leaving your MWD on when you engage a BS though, the massive boost in SIg Radius will make you go pop in 1 or 2 volleys from it. |

Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. 4U Holdings Inc
180
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:32:00 -
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Mordeth Ventox wrote:Let it be said that torps on a bomber (while in a mixed fleet) are essential AND deadly. They just add to your bomber cost when going solo. I shall endeavor to drop in to your bomber chat sometime..maybe I can show you fine folks some of the wonders of the warp stab fit bomber. ;D
My apologies to OP, I won't be replying to your post.
I MUST post on how wrong this guy is though. He has NO IDEA how to fly a bomber outside of bombing jumpbridges it would seem. Likely has never lived in a wormhole or solo roamed, killing off ratters etc.
Your bomber can and will blow up frigates if you are good with it. Many a ceptor / dramiel / whatever has been popped at the hand of a bomb. (uncloak 70+km off, wait for them to allign, bomb, watch them explode as they get in range with MWD on.)
Sensor damps and torps can end Cruisers & BCs. Torps and AB can end BSs.
A torp volley followed by a bomb on a stationary target can blow up some T2 frigs (use target painter)
Anyway, anyone flying a bomber ignore the above guys advice. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GVQ |

Andrea Griffin
182
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:15:00 -
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BruThoL Godfather wrote:- What's the best SB in your opinion, and why ? How would you fit it? Depends on what you are doing. I very much prefer the Manticore for cloaky fleet work, as it can deal decent damage and provide good EWar support as well. Solo fits are a totally different beast. Dedicated bombing boats will have an entirely different fit too. It really depends on how they're going to be used. Since most of my experience is flying a bomber with a fleet, that's what I provide to you:
[Manticore, Fleet Support] Ballistic Control System II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Medium Shield Extender II Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Low Frequency Sensor Suppressor I, Targeting Range Dampening Low Frequency Sensor Suppressor I, Targeting Range Dampening
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Trauma Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Some people don't like to fit any tank at all on stealth bombers, but I recommend at least a damage control or an MSE. Stuff happens, you're going to get shot at, might as well be able to take a volley so you can warp out instead of die. You're not doing anyone any good if you're dead.
You can swap the probe launcher for an offline bomb launcher, and then online/offline as appropriate. When roaming null with a gang I tend to have either the probe launcher (to find wormholes in case we get camped into some dead end system) or a remote armor repairer (especially useful for shield fleets after a fight).
BruThoL Godfather wrote:- Tips and tricks? other things to know? Maybe a link to a recent guide? When flying a bomber in a fleet, you should always be fighting aligned to a celestial. That way, when there's any danger coming in your direction, you can instantly warp out.
If you have several bombers in your group, mix up the EWar. Have some people fit damps. Some people should fit target painters. Some people should fit tracking disruptors.
Always use faction torpedoes. Your rate of fire is very slow so you're not going to go through thousands of them in any one engagement. The damage boost is significant and well worth the cost.
If you have the money to spend on combat boosters then buy some Crash. This will lower the explosion radius of your torpedoes and help you do damage to smaller targets. There's another drug, I forget the name at the moment, that will reduce your signature radius. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |

Velarra
Ghost Festival Naraka.
48
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:06:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:There's another drug, I forget the name at the moment, that will reduce your signature radius.
X-Instinct |
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Mark Hadden
Joint Endeavor Bright Side of Death
2
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:14:00 -
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BruThoL Godfather wrote:Hey there. So, here are my questions :
- What's the best SB in your opinion, and why ? How would you fit it? - Can someone still un-cloak you when going near you (2km)? - Can you warp / MWD while cloaked? - Skills of a good SB? - Tips and tricks? other things to know? Maybe a link to a recent guide?
Thanks by advance. purifier and hound, because they can be fit best for solo - 2 ballistics + MSE tank. Yes, uncloaking range is still 2km, but no cloaker will decloak you anymore since one of the recent patches. warp cloaked yes, no cloaked MWDing. But usually you fit AB instead of MWD, gives you a better speed tank and leaves you more room to fit the rest. Important skils: missile support V, covert ops V very important, good shield skills (shield upgrades V).
Tips and tricks: take the proper racial bomber for the region you want to hunt, fly there, catch a ratter in a battlecruiser/battleship/marauder and give him your torps. With a proper racial bomber I mean bombers which deal a different damage of the rats in the area you are flying to - generally purifier in the northern regions, hound in the south. The rest is all the matter of experience.
In a bubbled gatecamp you always cloak, ab and reapproach gate, jump back. Dont try to escape unless you know what you're doing.
Dont ever even think about messing with cruiser sized ships or smaller, unless you know very well what you're doing (ratting ishtars die sometimes, as well as Tengus). Said ships out for pvp will kill you and aren't worth the risk at all.
I've done a bomber vid ages ago but which is still working like this: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/m1ckyyy/solo-bomber-hunter.avi
Mordeth Ventox wrote:You sir are the troll. First I said SOLO bomber. Second warp core stabs are very beneficial as they offer a bomber only pilot no penalty as bombs don't use targeting (they are dumb fire). So you get the benefit of being able to warp off while some punk in an interceptor tries to scram you. (i fly a nemesis so 2 core stabs for me).
And anyone that as EVER flown a bomber as a BOMBER ..knows that torps are **** solo.
You can try all the things I listed and see for yourself. You will swear by them. Trust me.
you have no clue about bombers. solo bombing is cr*p and only kills unsuspecting noobs in frigates or destroyers. torps are f*cking great solo, I've killed tons of big **** with solo bomber - read battlecruisers, marauders, battleships, industrials, orcas. You just need to know how to fly a bomber. |

ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
79
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Posted - 2012.03.19 09:08:00 -
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[Hound, Your not alone] Ballistic Control System II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Warp Disruptor II Medium Shield Extender II 1MN Afterburner II
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Torpedo 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Discription n explanation here : Your not alone - Nulla Curas |

Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
180
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:41:00 -
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Mordeth Ventox wrote:You sir are the troll. First I said SOLO bomber. Second warp core stabs are very beneficial as they offer a bomber only pilot no penalty as bombs don't use targeting (they are dumb fire). So you get the benefit of being able to warp off while some punk in an interceptor tries to scram you. (i fly a nemesis so 2 core stabs for me).
And anyone that as EVER flown a bomber as a BOMBER ..knows that torps are **** solo.
You can try all the things I listed and see for yourself. You will swear by them. Trust me.
You're an idiot. A solo bomber doesn't kill crap with bombs.
For solo work, leave the bomb launcher at home. Grab your purifier, fit 2x BCS IIs and whatever fitting mod you need in the lows, prop mod, MSE II, TP, 3x T2 or arbalest launchers with CN torps, cloak, and core probe launcher. Now drop in 1 each of the missile damage rigs. Congrats, you/re now doing ~550dps, can survive for a time vs small drones, can evade most large turrets and missiles, and can probe out the sites that PLEx0rs like the most.
Everyone plz ignore (recommend blocking) Mordeth. His advice is the absolute worst for a solo bomber I have ever read on any site or forum.
Purifier is the best because of damage type bonus and fitting resources. Nemesis has terrible fitting resources, and thus is the worst. Manticore makes a great fleet bomber, as said above. Hound is good as well. But lacks the mids for EWAR.
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |

Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Enclave.
648
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:31:00 -
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Thanks for the thread guys. It has galvanised me into action, and to try a little bit of bomber play. I'm at a bit of a "What will I do now?" hiatus and reading here has prompted me, last night, to recall some clones from null and perform neurosurgery to give them bomb / torp related bonuses, put together a pair of bombers (hounds) and a blockade runner for logistics support, and head out looking for some low-end w-systems to try harass.
I'm going to try a two-ship multibox hound GGfleetGGV. Atm both have bombs (electron), torps (nova), & MWD, with the rest being a polycarbon and bay loader rig, 2 x nano II and 1 x BCU II, and a small cap booster II (75s). One has a 30km point and the other a meta-4 painter. The fits are about as tight as I can squeeze without spending 100+m on high-end grid implants.
Now, all I have to do is get some kills and not die too often.
Thanks for the info and the debate GG* yes, all sides of those debates are useful.
p.s. I was surprised last night, as I was setting up the Hounds, to find no damage type bonuses. Am I correct in remembering that my hounds-of-days-gone-by had explosive damage bonuses, or is that just fanciful remmberings? We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |

Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
180
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:06:00 -
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all the bombers get their racial damage type bonuses. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |

ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
80
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Posted - 2012.03.21 09:09:00 -
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with 2 hounds you want shrapnel bombs and... nova torps, youll get more dmg out as in wh they have flat resists - Nulla Curas |

Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Enclave.
648
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Posted - 2012.03.21 23:23:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:with 2 hounds you want shrapnel bombs and... nova torps, youll get more dmg out as in wh they have flat resists
Thanks. I have both bomb types with me, altho mostly electrons. I'll try one of each bomb type to start with and follow-up with nova torps from both.
I've found myself a target system (big requirement was active at similar times to me ... and it took me a dozen systems to find one with NPC-kill peaks not at euro/us peak times) and have staked it out and observed habits. Now to actually try and kill something ... small to start with I guess. My intended first target is their scanner guy who seems to warp to the same spot to scan each day ... and lingered long enough uncloaked for me to ninja a bookmark. My target system contains several corps and their POSes, and they all call themselves PvPers in their corp descriptions 9and their KBs suggest there's a bit of truth to the claims). So i figure I'll have targets but they're more likely to kill me in return than otherwise.
Baby-stuff for all you veteran PvPers ... but quite exciting for this carebear-in-a-hound 
btw, I have been steered to this (http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=polletjepikhaar) ... and am very impressed. His loss records show that he's using a basic setup with no bomb, but take a look at his kills. Whatever ppl want to poo-poo (e.g. some empty fit kills and the like) I am still very impressed with his efforts. Mebbe i am just easy to impress 
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Ikel
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Posted - 2012.03.22 05:13:00 -
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What about stealth bombers in smaller, roaming pvp gangs? What are their typical roles in this scale of pvp? |

abissshooter
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Posted - 2012.03.22 16:55:00 -
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Substantia, I think your on the right path, and will have some great bomber experiences, personally I donGGVt fly with empties but I have recommended fits with empty slots, and itGGVs all about the benefit of the mod VS its price.
Ikel, small bomber gangs are great, the hard part is effectively merging them in to a small gang due to being uncloaked if your with 2k of someone else, so you might not have the surprise factor and be called primary, but they are GREAT DPS ships especially against BC or larger, or cruisers and frigs if you have target painters and webs. Bombs would also be tricky since their 15km blast radius hurts anyone in that range friendly or not, but can be done effectively and obviously torps are a must for those.
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Noisrevbus
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Posted - 2012.03.22 17:35:00 -
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BruThoL Godfather wrote:Hey there. - What's the best SB in your opinion, and why ? How would you fit it? - Can someone still un-cloak you when going near you (2km)? - Can you warp / MWD while cloaked? - Skills of a good SB? - Tips and tricks? other things to know? Maybe a link to a recent guide?
The Hound is the best, followed by the Purifier, the Manticore and the Nemesis. Keep in mind though, the class is unique and all ships are functional within the class-defined role. That means being the worst isn't really a massively impeding problem since you don't compete with outside classes for your role; while your class is quite potent at what it does.
The Hound fire EX against armor-ships, has the better slot allocation (lows = fitting) and the best fitting options. The Purifier fire EM against shield-ships, has the better slot allocation (lows = fitting) alright fitting options. The Manticore fire KN which meet few resistance holes, has the lesser slot allocation, alright fitting options. The Nemesis fire TH which meet few resistance holes, has the less slot allocation and the worst fitting options.
You still get uncloaked at 2km, but no longer by other bombers in warp-in.
You can warp but not MWD. You can still however burn your MWD, cut it with your cloak and coast cloaked.
The new SB use Torpedos and Covert cloaks, apart from that they are still the same; so general damage, targetting, ew and frigate tank-mobility mods is what you want to train for.
There are many things to mention regarding tips and tricks, but there is one thing in particular i'd like to lift out: despite being around for quite some time, there is alot of potential in Bombers that are not being explored. We're looking at a ship that is balanced around crutched bonuses (the core stats are weak, which is balanced by massive bonuses and key modules).
The result of that is that there is alot of volume and stacking to draw on that will enable you to do some pretty exciting things if you explore them to extremes - the cloak and small frame also allow you to explore extremes with some degree of safety (eg., you're a cloaky frigate with performance reminiscent of larger, more expensive, ships - investing in expensive implants can have a massive effect on your output while your cost-risk-perf is relatively low).
Understanding the environment and other Covert-oriented ships also enable alot of intricate tactics that very few groups have played around with (understanding distances, warp-mechanics and so on...). Look at how your range scales, how your damage scales and how you can intergrate with Blackops, bubble-immune Tech III, bomb-range to missile-range, rolling warp-points, probes, bonuses and topped off Recons. Many of these things are very underutilized, and bombers are still mostly just used to to drop-gank or bomb-trap, the basics of the design. |
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