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Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:55:00 -
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Some background, I was somewhat interested in EVE back in the early days based on the spaceship designs. I saw the Naglfar and drew a space scene in my art class the next day, based on that design. I just never thought I'd be abel to play it on my old computer, so back in 2003-2005, it wasn't on my To Play list.
But one day I was at a coworker's house and he had EVE running on a beefy rig with a huge monitor, and I asked him about it. He told me about the in-game economy, the scale, the corporations, the fact that things that are considered griefing in other games are defended by the developers as essential parts of the experience. But the big question I wanted to know was whether you could walk around your ship's interiors. I REALLY wanted to know that. He said "No, but they're making an expansion that will let you walk around your captain's quarters".
Well, Crucible is out, and it's several versions in. And I played the trial shortly after I had this conversation with my coworker, but I dropped it after a few hours of play. It felt too... Impersonal.
Cut to three days ago. I am browsing the internet, and someone posts a screenshot of their character in the captain's quarters on Reddit. I'm intrigued.
Then I decided to give the game a try again. Bought some gametime the day before yesterday.
Immediately I got into the captain's quarters. I tried walking into the mirror before I realized that it wasn't a corridor. I turned around, went out to my ship, and flipped out. It's gorgeous. I've got the little holograms with "Fitting" and "Cargohold" and such on it, I've got the TV and couch, It's awesome.
Then I noticed another door. The one to the rest of the station. I ran over to it (Haha) and clicked the panel.
Closed for decontamination or whatever. Right, because the stations aren't done yet.
Well, I can say that I'm much happier that I have a proper avatar and that the amazing character creator isn't just for my Portrait anymore, but I NEED to walk around the station.
And after that? I need to walk around and customize my ship's interior. You guys don't understand, I -NEED- it. It's the thing that will make me a life-long EVE player, I can say that now. I don't want to be playing with spaceship toys in the backyard like EVE currently feels like, I want to be a ship captain. And part of being a captain is being on the ship, seeing out the viewport.
Sorry for the ramble, but other people must feel the same. EVE has so much promise. This could be THE GAME. It just needs to let us romantics life out our fantasies in this particular way. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:57:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:THE GAME.
goddamnit. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Borun Tal
Border Zone Combat
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:57:00 -
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Why do people get so excited about the possibility of walking in a station when it's a game about spaceships, combat, and space-stuff? I don't get it... |
Xenophon Zateki
Vetrox Technologies
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:59:00 -
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It would be nice, yes.
But only if the rest of the game, what EVE has been for almost a decade, is still updated and improved alongside it.
A full-blown space RPG would be nice, but the core of EVE needs to come first. |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:03:00 -
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Must respectfully disagree with you op. I feel pretty much the exact opposite. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:04:00 -
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The problem with walking around in your ship is that your avatar doesn't actually walk around in the ship "off-screen." You're in a POD filled with goo the entire time.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:07:00 -
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Borun Tal wrote:Why do people get so excited about the possibility of walking in a station when it's a game about spaceships, combat, and space-stuff? I don't get it... It's about the personal feeling that having a human there gives it. Without having an actual person in there, I'm just imagining one there. It's the "Toy spaceships in the backyard" feeling I mentioned.
Meryl SinGarda wrote:The problem with walking around in your ship is that your avatar doesn't actually walk around in the ship "off-screen." You're in a POD filled with goo the entire time.
Hmm. I didn't know that. Well that changes my perspective of the ship thing then.
But the station still applies. I need to feel a connection with my character. |
Fishmaskle
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:08:00 -
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I have to agree while I want more of the core eve game improved and whatnot, I too would love to be able to walk in my own ship at least. Each ship having a unique style and design with at least some personalization (for yourself only until whatever they decide to do for WiS. It would sort of be a mix of just CQ, but hopefully a little bigger since it would be nice to check out parts of the ship.
Overall usefulness would be nill from the start, but it could be used to make autopiloting long boring destinations a little more "scenic".
Now before anyone cries that players will spend all their time in their ships, well for those that want to shoot... Won't this be a good thing since it will force players to undock to enjoy it? You could click a quick button (just like CQ/Spinning) to get right back into the pilot seat, but they have to still be a bit alert. ;) If I helped you out, Technical Issue,-áenemy gank, popped your poor fit,-áhit the "Like" button. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:09:00 -
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Uninstall and never look back then.
They will never be anything remotely meaningful done in stations. The entire engine, its entire team exists solely to make the other vampire game which is years off for release. We are just the alpha testers for it.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:11:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:The problem with walking around in your ship is that your avatar doesn't actually walk around in the ship "off-screen." You're in a POD filled with goo the entire time.
Not empty quoting.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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Klown Walk
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:18:00 -
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You are playing the wrong game. |
Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:21:00 -
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Klown Walk wrote:You are playing the wrong game. What a useful and insightful comment.
If I want to play a game exactly like EVE in every way except that I have the option to walk around the inside of my ship if I want, what game do I choose? |
Haoibuni
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:29:00 -
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Please tell me the Op is taking the peace |
Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:37:00 -
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Haoibuni wrote:Please tell me the Op is taking the peace
"Taking the peace"? Not familiar with that euphemism. |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:39:00 -
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Get a POS. It's like a set of captains quarters for your ships. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:39:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:Hmm. I didn't know that. Well that changes my perspective of the ship thing then.
But the station still applies. I need to feel a connection with my character.
I would strongly recommend that you read the backstory and lore of EVE Online so you understand what position a capsuleer fulfills. Then, when you understand the EVE Universe, read this thread on Walking in Stations. You can skip through the dev posts to see what they are up to at the moment.
You will have to put your World of Warcraft / Rift / Everquest / avatar mindset aside for a while and truely consider a capsuleer from an EVE Online perspective if you intend to stick around. CCP made the mistake of releasing CQ before it was even close to ready and now the concept is suffering because of that. But, despite having a team working on it, it looks like it will be a long time before we see anything useful from it.
Anyway, read the lore, read the thread. There is a lot of useful information to help with EVE in there.
Quote:If I want to play a game exactly like EVE in every way except that I have the option to walk around the inside of my ship if I want, what game do I choose?
None that I know of. But then, EVE isn't there yet either so he actually makes a good point. And creating another forum thread on the same topic, diluting the value of the thread dedicated to it is not helping. |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:40:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:Klown Walk wrote:You are playing the wrong game. What a useful and insightful comment. If I want to play a game exactly like EVE in every way except that I have the option to walk around the inside of my ship if I want, what game do I choose?
There isn't one obviously. But seriously, if you find walking around looking at your avatar exciting and that has attracted you to eve, I fear that you will find the rest of the game horribly disappointing. I hope that you don't, but you probably will. |
Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:45:00 -
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Rath Kelbore wrote:Nazzer Dawk wrote:Klown Walk wrote:You are playing the wrong game. What a useful and insightful comment. If I want to play a game exactly like EVE in every way except that I have the option to walk around the inside of my ship if I want, what game do I choose? There isn't one obviously. But seriously, if you find walking around looking at your avatar exciting and that has attracted you to eve, I fear that you will find the rest of the game horribly disappointing. I hope that you don't, but you probably will. Either my post didn't explain this very well or you didn't read my whole post.
I was not attracted to Eve because I wanted to walk around in stations and ships. I was attracted to EVE becasue I wanted to walk in stations while having everything else that EVE offered.
I don't want the game to change fundamentally, here, I want it to have a completely optional side-feature for people like me who love the EVE universe and want to feel even closer to it.
I understand what the universe is about, I think. If it weren't for the game's economy, I'd hardly be interested. |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:56:00 -
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Personally i would love it if you could walk around your own ship. although judging by the modding that happened with the walking in stations client. i would sit in the deepest part of nullsec cloaked up and play Dust on the main screen of my cockpit and never go back to civilization. |
Korsiri
Mousetrap Building Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:58:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:Rath Kelbore wrote:Nazzer Dawk wrote:Klown Walk wrote:You are playing the wrong game. What a useful and insightful comment. If I want to play a game exactly like EVE in every way except that I have the option to walk around the inside of my ship if I want, what game do I choose? There isn't one obviously. But seriously, if you find walking around looking at your avatar exciting and that has attracted you to eve, I fear that you will find the rest of the game horribly disappointing. I hope that you don't, but you probably will. Either my post didn't explain this very well or you didn't read my whole post. I was not attracted to Eve because I wanted to walk around in stations and ships. I was attracted to EVE becasue I wanted to walk in stations while having everything else that EVE offered. I don't want the game to change fundamentally, here, I want it to have a completely optional side-feature for people like me who love the EVE universe and want to feel even closer to it. I'd only argue for this feature if CCP were to manage to develop it without it effecting the rest of development, or after they gave players what they want (More ships, improvements to ships, etc.) I understand what the universe is about, I think. If it weren't for the game's economy, I'd hardly be interested.
I admit that I tend to prefer games with avatars. Having a badass looking ship helps a lot with getting over that however. Seriously, it's how I learned to enjoy the combat etc. I'd still like to see WiS. Yes, I am a girl, maybe it's a girl thing I dunno.
The idea of reading the lore and backstory is very good however. It's really well done and lots of good reads out there.
Maybe with (when) dust comes out, there'll be more 'flesh' put to the whole WiS world as well.
On the other hand then you'd have to worry about getting mugged in a dark station alley, your ship codes stolen, waking up in your clone :P Which is what I tend to think when I think "Oh boy we'll finally be able to walk in stations" lol |
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Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:10:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:
None that I know of. But then, EVE isn't there yet either so he actually makes a good point. And creating another forum thread on the same topic, diluting the value of the thread dedicated to it is not helping.
I actually did try searching some to try to find a topic on this. But the problem is that I had no clue what search terms to use. I didn't know the "WiS" acronym until now, so I tried a few search strings first. They just weren't helpful. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1947
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:27:00 -
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lol roleplayers The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:33:00 -
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I, too, enjoy signing up for games that don't have the gameplay I want so I can tell everyone on their forums how much better the game would be if they only changed it in a significant way that no one but me wants. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:40:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:I, too, enjoy signing up for games that don't have the gameplay I want so I can tell everyone on their forums how much better the game would be if they only changed it in a significant way that no one but me wants.
Thank you for your insightful and accurate comment.
A+, would read again.
So, explain to me what is wrong with joining a game, liking it more than I first did because a feature was added, wishing it had more of this particular feature, and then talking about how much more I would like it if it had that feature expanded on?
And how do you justify the statement that "No one but me wants it", when clearly people both in this thread and in others say that they still want it?
I mean, it seems clear to me that you are the only one that DOESN'T want it. So, you should just leave this thread, since you are the only one that doesn't want this feature.
Ladie Harlot wrote:lol roleplayers
lol its an mmoRPG |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:48:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:Klown Walk wrote:You are playing the wrong game. What a useful and insightful comment. If I want to play a game exactly like EVE in every way except that I have the option to walk around the inside of my ship if I want, what game do I choose?
And which game do I play, if I want the in-space PvP-oriented game I joined back in the day? Where combat pilots and industrialists in many ways had to cooperate, rather than being separated entities? Where people would stay and fight rather than run? Where a blob was five players? Where t1 frigates and cruisers were your standard fleet setup, even tho I'd have battleship 5, it just simply was too damn expensive to fly them.. etc.
TL;DR we don't always get what we want, and he's right you know, you're playing the wrong game. This game is about in-space combat, and even in-station PvPers (market, industrailists) would not have any game if it wasn't for the pilots out there.
WiS was presented back in the day as a social interaciton platform. Not a bling bling for newcomers who don't get the game. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
456
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:48:00 -
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I've got 20% fired staff that says you're both wrong and stupid. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:51:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:KrakizBad wrote:I, too, enjoy signing up for games that don't have the gameplay I want so I can tell everyone on their forums how much better the game would be if they only changed it in a significant way that no one but me wants. Thank you for your insightful and accurate comment. A+, would read again. So, explain to me what is wrong with joining a game, liking it more than I first did because a feature was added, wishing it had more of this particular feature, and then talking about how much more I would like it if it had that feature expanded on? And how do you justify the statement that "No one but me wants it", when clearly people both in this thread and in others say that they still want it? I mean, it seems clear to me that you are the only one that DOESN'T want it. So, you should just leave this thread, since you are the only one that doesn't want this feature. Ladie Harlot wrote:lol roleplayers lol its an mmo RPG
Ignore Goon Jr. He will try to derail your thread, given the chance.
WiS brings a new dimension to EVE that breaks the whole blow stuff up in space stigma and does damage to the Drake/ Maelstom, blob influence on development. They are skeerd.
nano edit: See? He is already at it with the personal attacks. Stupid, dumb, etc. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:01:00 -
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I can feel for the OP. *grope However It is internet spaceships. While avatars are a nitch toy by pilot standards, the core of the game is still interacting with others. You have the average player that may only care about interaction to the extent of blowing up the beloved property of others and could care less about the individual you're are crushing. Others would indeed like a personal relationship with those around them at a more base, almost human, level rather then bumping hulls. Also gives a sense of scale to the universe you play in relation to the avatar. I think many still love the idea of avatars, yet the initial introduction I think we all agree was a disaster that poisoned the idea of leaving ships afterward. I think EVE should be unconstrained to such a trivial titles as "internet spaceships". It should be EVE the internet universe. Dieing and killing everywhere should be fun. |
Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
388
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:03:00 -
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Congrats CCP, you found the one person who likes the Captain's Quarters, all your months of neglecting core gameplay to work on a small room with a TV and a locked door has been justified |
Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:10:00 -
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Misanth wrote:Nazzer Dawk wrote:Klown Walk wrote:You are playing the wrong game.[/quote What a useful and insightful comment.
If I want to play a game exactly like EVE in every way except that I have the option to walk around the inside of my ship if I want, what game do I choose? And which game do I play, if I want the in-space PvP-oriented game I joined back in the day? Where combat pilots and industrialists in many ways had to cooperate, rather than being separated entities? Where people would stay and fight rather than run? Where a blob was five players? Where t1 frigates and cruisers were your standard fleet setup, even though I'd have battleship 5, it just simply was too damn expensive to fly them.. etc. TL;DR we don't always get what we want, and he's right you know, you're playing the wrong game. This game is about in-space combat, and even in-station PvPers (market, industrailists) would not have any game if it wasn't for the pilots out there WiS was presented back in the day as a social interaciton platform. Not a bling bling for newcomers who don't get the game. You know the difference between my wish and yours? Yours would require fundamental changes to the game. Mine wouldn't. If I had my way, everything that can be accomplished in the Avatar-based WiS environment could be accomplished outside of that environment. So why are you so upset that I want the feature? I want an avatar cantina, you could have a chatroom that integrated with the cantina. So stop whining. [quote=Jovan Geldon]Congrats CCP, you found the one person who likes the Captain's Quarters, all your months of neglecting core gameplay to work on a small room with a TV and a locked door has been justified
Well I think I misrepresented my opinion of it. Far from "Liking it", I found it to be an enjoyable distraction for a moment, and the possibility of seeing my character outside of a static portrait makes me feel a bit more like I'm playing a game with actual people rather than backyard spaceship toys, but it is clearly a unfinished prototype rather than a full feature as it was advertised.
I want walking in stations, not walking in a teeny prison cell. |
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