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Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.16 08:36:00 - [1] Please don't post racist jokes on this thread. It wouldn't be allowed because the higher powers deem what can and cannot be said. I consider my self a lover of diversity and have an equal amount of respect for people of all origins. I have studied several religions and Genesis according to Allah and Eloah. I have been to every continent in the world with the exception of Australia. In my journey's I have travelled the sugar cane transport lines of Kenya and experienced the beauty of lake Victoria in Kisumu. I have travelled across India and had one of the fastest paced adventures across Thailand. I have swam in the Dunn's river in Jamaica and seen capitalism at its most creative form in Orlando. Having lived in England I have seen one of the most diverse lifestyles. I'm not writing this on behalf of any race or nation or origin. I'm a writer with a Gallente avatar and a comedy name. The face is pixels, which are numbers which mean nothing. I think about the origin's of these places. Each city in each country has its own heritage, its own unique beauty and story to tell. They each hold much pride in this and through a natural competitive gene feel their of superiority to the neighbouring regions. Take for example the joke about the Irishman, the Englishman and Scotsman...never mind, I won't tell it. The holocaust and slavery are clearly items of discussion that are beyond jest. Yet could the world be heading towards, or possibly have reached a point of hyper-sensitivity from which we will depend on an all seeing eye to defend our cultures honour. Also in most multi-cultural places it will often be defended by an organisation that barely has the basic knowledge about the ôoppressedö culture. Criticisms, ignorant or otherwise, of another culture are more often than not frowned upon. Yet shouldn't an opinion that is wrong still be an expressable opinion? Especially if discussing a culture as opposed to making a blatant and ignorant statement about someone's skin colour. Furthermore, if you stem racism to ignorance then isn't a social outcasting a less effective method of reform when compared to open and free discussion? So that brings me to conclude on jokes. The best ones seem to be the satirical, in my opinion. A jesting question to our minds, ôis this how it should be?.ö Oratory debate is the most crucial aspect of philosophical and enlightening evolution and the hyper-sensitivity barrier that has been constructed in hopes that the police batons will step in at the slightest mention of a joke could in turn be fracturing the kneecaps of this evolution. I'm against unfair treatment of people in direct response to a persons skin colour or name, but to put a ban on talking about things is a step in the wrong direction i believe. I make no apologise for my opinions. However i would request a civil discussion for this and if PC Poletekalkorectnus does wish to stop the discussion then please do not delete my OP as I am not writing to offend anyone and neither am I inciting any hatred. Also, flames don't work, I'M FIREPROOF! -------sig------------------------------------ A higher grade of posting In many ways this game is alot like how Obama and Bush are related.
Cing Liberdanis Fear Inc	Posted - 2009.02.16 08:46:00 - [2] In my opinion, jokes should be taken lightly. Its when people actually mean what they say when they are telling racist jokes that its wrong. Not to say people cant voice their opinions, but personally I don't understand why people hate other people because of their race. Part of the concept of racist jokes is laughing at how stupid it would be if you believe the certain beliefs mentioned (at least it is for me). Just my two cents. :)
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2009.02.16 08:49:00 - [3] On the holocaust, I agree. Joking about that always seems to leave a bad taste in my mouth. Not that I have heard many jokes about the holocaust. I just don't find anything funny about genocide. Slavery on the other hand, people need to lighten the **** up. Especially in America. Every race on this planet has been a slave at some point in history. For one race to claim "ownership" of it is laughable. --- My cat Putter approves of this post.
BiggestT Caldari Intergalactic Jesters Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.16 09:42:00 - [4] Originally by: Cing Liberdanis In my opinion, jokes should be taken lightly. Its when people actually mean what they say when they are telling racist jokes that its wrong. Not to say people cant voice their opinions, but personally I don't understand why people hate other people because of their race. Part of the concept of racist jokes is laughing at how stupid it would be if you believe the certain beliefs mentioned (at least it is for me). Just my two cents. :) Agreed. Spreading hateful biased remarks on an internet forum is just pointless, and makes you look foolish. However some jokes are simply light-hearted shouldn't be taken too seriosuly. EVE history t2 precisions
Vaden Khale Amarr the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.02.16 10:37:00 - [5] Ur a gay Scotsman. Also, no one cares.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.02.16 10:55:00 - [6] You could argue that jokes are just the thin end of the wedge. Also that they create a hostile environment.
BiggestT Caldari Intergalactic Jesters Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.16 11:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Vaden Khale Ur a gay Scotsman. Also, no one cares. You're fckin the threads qi man! EVE history t2 precisions
mingeta dong BEER Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.16 11:11:00 - [8] Originally by: Le Poupon Criticisms, ignorant or otherwise, of another culture are more often than not frowned upon. Yet shouldn't an opinion that is wrong still be an expressable opinion? Especially if discussing a culture as opposed to making a blatant and ignorant statement about someone's skin colour. In some respects we're taught to frown upon correct criticisms if it singles out a particular race/culture. Met Police: Black youths are main perpetrators of knife crime in London, they have adopted the US gang culture that glorifies violence. Black community: You're persecuting our youth. Media: The Met are racist again, burn them. The bottom line is that the stats donÆt lie, but because there is a history of persecution by the Met towards the black community in London theyÆre never going to trust what they are being told by them. That being said, I'll quite openly use stuff like this to take the **** out of my black friends (who live and work in the home counties, so it's quite ironic), but within my diverse circle of friends it's acceptable as we're all of equal status and understand what it is, a joke. Same thing with the Irish and Scots guys, they all give me stick for being a white Englishman, would I ever dream of getting upset because I was being stereotyped, of course not. Easy for me to say though, because white Englishmen have rarely been at the bad end of any persecution throughout history. I know this, my friends are sensible enough to realise that I'm not to blame for my (and in some cases, their) countries past actions. Thing is, a lot of this "hyper-sensitivity" is media fuelled and not necessarily based around race, take the Brand/Woss incident for example. Left alone, without media involvement not much would have happened to either of them. They were immature, yes, but they are after all being paid for and have made carers from being controversial. What were we expecting from them? Well, it seems the tabloid press were very happy to fill their rags with venomous headlines, I'm surprised some didn't call for public hangings. Of course once the gutter press start reporting on such an incident, the rest feel compelled to follow suit. So in the end you have the BBC reporting about two of their own stars and their despicable behaviour, and as a result feel compelled to take action. But, if we want to live in a truly democratic and open society, itÆs hypocritical and in some respects damn right dangerous to censor peopleÆs beliefs. If controversial subjects canÆt be openly debated, they are forced underground, out of scrutiny, where they can fester and become a tool of those that would use them to cause harm to others. The fundamental principle of democracy is freedom of speech, the people must be able to speak their mind, the driving factor behind this to protect them from a malicious or corrupt government.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 11:20:00 - [9] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 16/02/2009 11:22:37 Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 16/02/2009 11:21:15 Originally by: mingeta dong they have adopted the US gang culture that glorifies violence. That made me laugh. EDIT: The rest of your post I agree with. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.02.16 11:27:00 - [10] Quote: my friends Would you make the same joke to a room full of people you don't know / don't know you? Indeed a room full of people who's ethnicity you can't see? There's this great line in an episode of the office. I think it's the one where they find out Oscar is gay (G a y Witchhunt). Michael Scott has made a joke which could be taken as homophobic (he's not really a homophobe) and offended someone. He then sets Dwight finding out if anyone else is gay in the office so he doesn't accidentally make cracks that will offend people in front of people. The alternative he says is "...just not to say anything that anyone would find offensive..." but that's obviously crazy talk
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2009.02.16 11:39:00 - [11] Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 16/02/2009 11:39:07 Quote: Would you make the same joke to a room full of people you don't know / don't know you? Indeed a room full of people who's ethnicity you can't see? Yes. I love finding out people who can't take a joke so I can have nothing to do with them from that point on. Especially those that can dish it out but refuse to take it and instead cry about it. --- My cat Putter approves of this post.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2009.02.16 11:55:00 - [12] I've heard some great jokes about the holocaust. I object to being called an atheist, as there is no common denominator for people who do not believe in unicorns either.
annoing	Posted - 2009.02.16 11:58:00 - [13] Edited by: annoing on 16/02/2009 11:59:10 No jokes should be censored, full stop. There is a huge difference between a joke and an incitefully racist/homophobic/facist (name your desired preference) remark. I'm welsh and ive heard all the sheep sh@gging jokes hundreds of times over, but i've NEVER been insulted by the joke, just the person telling the joke. In fact, when I get someone (who I feel has a grudge againgst my nation and they're telling these jokes to hurt me or my country) I tell funnier ones about my country and its people. Shuts them up quickly and makes them look stupid and un-funny. Bottom line, its not the joke that should be censored, its the comedian. A joke can be told in 2 ways surely? One as affectionate, one as an inciteful hateful remark meant to cause distress or hurt. Best jewish jokes come from the best jewish comics ... same applies to all races, creeds and colours.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.02.16 13:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Kravick Drasari Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 16/02/2009 11:39:07 Quote: Would you make the same joke to a room full of people you don't know / don't know you? Indeed a room full of people who's ethnicity you can't see? Yes. I love finding out people who can't take a joke so I can have nothing to do with them from that point on. Especially those that can dish it out but refuse to take it and instead cry about it. So in essence this is license for you to go around being as offensive as you like and it's other people's problem if they object? So by your standards if I went to Belsen for the day dressed up in an SS uniform and people objected I could just shrug and say "Tough room"? Yeah, right Quote: Bottom line, its not the joke that should be censored, its the comedian. A joke can be told in 2 ways surely? One as affectionate, one as an inciteful hateful remark meant to cause distress or hurt Internets are really poor at conveying subtlety of meaning.
Trexan	Posted - 2009.02.16 13:35:00 - [15] Everyone's humour is different. I know some people that have hardly any sense of humour, they take things a little bit seriously and you just think why even bother, and just to lighten up. Having said this I think any 'racist' jokes should only be said when the time is right if you know what I mean, I wouldn't go on stage and say all the racist jokes I could. I have some friends that are black etc and they understand it because I'm their friend. It's different if I mean it in a harmful way, such as being in a group and jeering at blacks or whatever. If people could understand what is meant or not, no one would mind. But like I said no one has the same view so this will never happen.
Atnal Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.02.16 15:31:00 - [16] Carlos Mencia - Equal Opportunity Discriminator. Seriously though if you're gonna make fun of a group you gotta make fun of everyone, including yourself. There is a difference between blatant racism and just jesting. Sometimes you do have to know when it's appropriate to say it and how to use it in context. I know it's not ok to make fun of races and cultures but sometimes when picking on things there's a fine line you have to walk.
DubanFP Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.02.16 15:53:00 - [17] Do you play starcraft, because a similar discussion just popped up on their forums yesterday. Anyways the biggest problem is that a lot of people don't understand that "Race" generally carries something called "culture" with it. Someone from India for example is more likely to be Hindu or Buddhist then someone from the US or UK. Of course they're going to take actions as such. Is that racism? Things are getting better, but due to a turbulent past in the US a black/hispanic person is more likely to be living in poverty then a white. Hence, violent crimes are more likely to occur. Racism would be saying "this person must be a criminal because of his race". There are facts that you can't deny, but as long as you treat people as individuals with a past and not as black/white there is nothing wrong with it. Also I find that most of the people who scream "racist" constantly, independent of the reasoning behind those statements, tend to be the racists themselves. Rather then admitting to themselves that they weren't offended or that there is good reasoning behind those comments they lash out. Honestly its my opinion that we can't fix a problem until we admit it and learn from it or we'll just be doomed to repeat the past. _______________ This is EVE. Here you have the right to settle any disagreements with lethal force.
Rob Z0mbie	Posted - 2009.02.16 17:59:00 - [18] humor is a defense mechanism, let people have their laughs. we should be worried about the context the jokes are told in, not their content. better educate the people, rather than deprive them of a coping mechanism. \(o.0)/
Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:36:00 - [19] Just to add. The OP was a questioning of the reliability of a judicial and bureaucratic system having the power to preside judgement in the event of such a joke being uttered. -------sig------------------------------------ A higher grade of posting In many ways this game is alot like how Obama and Bush are related.
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2009.02.16 23:13:00 - [20] Originally by: TraininVain Originally by: Kravick Drasari Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 16/02/2009 11:39:07 Quote: Would you make the same joke to a room full of people you don't know / don't know you? Indeed a room full of people who's ethnicity you can't see? Yes. I love finding out people who can't take a joke so I can have nothing to do with them from that point on. Especially those that can dish it out but refuse to take it and instead cry about it. So in essence this is license for you to go around being as offensive as you like and it's other people's problem if they object? So by your standards if I went to Belsen for the day dressed up in an SS uniform and people objected I could just shrug and say "Tough room"? Yeah, right Quote: Bottom line, its not the joke that should be censored, its the comedian. A joke can be told in 2 ways surely? One as affectionate, one as an inciteful hateful remark meant to cause distress or hurt Internets are really poor at conveying subtlety of meaning. Way to read more into what I said. Also, the word "joke" was used. No one said anything about dressing up and acting a part. You fail. --- My cat Putter approves of this post.
Tractus Vesica Caldari Atrum Flamma Order of the Black Dragons	Posted - 2009.02.16 23:18:00 - [21] "Please don't post racist jokes on this thread. It wouldn't be allowed because the higher powers deem what can and cannot be said." ... YOUR BLACK! HAH!
Seroquel	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:34:00 - [22] this is certainly random. did someone get offended or something? i haven't been watching the news. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Cierejai Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:41:00 - [23] "Only white people can be racist, all the other races are above racism." -I forget.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.17 06:13:00 - [24] Why couldn't Hellen Keller drive? Because she's a woman. Ba dum chi! And after all this time, I finally removed that annoying sentence in my signature.
Roymundo Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.17 09:43:00 - [25] Edited by: Roymundo on 17/02/2009 09:45:07
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2009.02.17 16:36:00 - [26] How do you keep a democrat from spending their welfare check? Hide it under their work boots. Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
Tractus Vesica Caldari Atrum Flamma Order of the Black Dragons	Posted - 2009.02.17 18:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Last Wolf How do you keep a democrat from spending their welfare check? Hide it under their work boots. How do you get a socialist made preseident? Wait...oh...no...thats already happened...
Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.17 22:00:00 - [28] Edited by: Le Poupon on 17/02/2009 22:00:59 Originally by: Tractus Vesica Originally by: Last Wolf How do you keep a democrat from spending their welfare check? Hide it under their work boots. How do you get a socialist made preseident? Wait...oh...no...thats already happened... Get D!ck C to back him. -------sig------------------------------------ A higher grade of posting In many ways this game is alot like how Obama and Bush are related.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.18 13:19:00 - [29] Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 18/02/2009 13:19:37 But...But... Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman jokes don't sound the same if you just say "3 men". You have to provide a stereotypical context for their individual actions or it just isn't funny. Same goes for jokes about any nation. Racist jokes are only racist if you take offence to them, if you take them in the context they are meant and laugh about it, they cease to be offensive. Just about every race in the world has jokes about other races based on stereotyping. I know several Asian jokes about English and other Western people but why should it offend me just because I am a Westerner? I live by the rule that I shouldn't take life too seriously cos I won't come out of it alive anyway. People who take offence to stereotyping are taking it far too seriously. Chill out and laugh a bit more, you never know, you might actually begin to enjoy it. Stereotyping of cultures has always been and always will be, common across the globe. It won't stop just because people take offence, in fact, it often makes matters worse just like the bullies who know you're going to run away or cower to them. People get a perverse pleasure from causing offence and if you show it, you are making them happy at your own expense. If you laugh, it takes away their pleasure. I know of gay men who call themselves every derogatory name you can imagine including fairies and such. Doing that means nobody can ever insult them. Notice that rappers call themselves niggers but if a white man calls them that name, it's racist. Chill out, get a life and stop trying to rule everyone else's. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.18 15:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Chill out, get a life and stop trying to rule everyone else's. Thys -------sig------------------------------------ A higher grade of posting In many ways this game is alot like how Obama and Bush are related.

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