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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
189
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Posted - 2012.04.25 05:04:00 -
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AFK cloaking has less than nothing to do with why whatever no-name alliance you're in right now can't hold tech. Your no-name alliance can't hold tech because it doesn't have the raw numbers at the subcap, cap, and supercap levels to be able to even pretend to be able to make the attempt. How AFK cloaking enters into the equation at all, I have no idea.
And they're never going to make moon goo drop from rats, sorry. Ring mining is their solution to making it more of an individual, rather than alliance, income. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.04.25 05:22:00 -
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Stop fixating on afk cloakers and ratting. |
Endeavour Starfleet
811
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Posted - 2012.04.25 05:27:00 -
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corestwo wrote:AFK cloaking has less than nothing to do with why whatever no-name alliance you're in right now can't hold tech. Your no-name alliance can't hold tech because it doesn't have the raw numbers at the subcap, cap, and supercap levels to be able to even pretend to be able to make the attempt. How AFK cloaking enters into the equation at all, I have no idea.
And they're never going to make moon goo drop from rats, sorry. Ring mining is their solution to making it more of an individual, rather than alliance, income.
I agree that ring mining is the BEST solution. However, with DUST-EVE connection about to take a ton of dev time to finish up after Inferno I HIGHLY doubt it will happen this year. The fanfest bit was a bit of CGI that is about as developed as their modified screenshots of visual damage.
We need to face facts. It most likely WONT happen this year. If I even remotely believed it would I would not bother suggesting it move to loot tables. The reason I am suggesting it openly as a band aid is because it is. It is a temporary solution until they can find the time to implement the trawlers. |
bigbillthaboss3
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.04.25 06:43:00 -
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This thread is overflowing with Endeavour tears. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
651
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Posted - 2012.04.25 06:44:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:On a side view, if 0.0 is so stagnant to actually support such a mutual co-op'd marketplace without any disturbances of war to require conservative use of wealth, sov etc. might be out of wack mechanics wise if there is no desire of expansion. Unless we're finally at that point in natural stages of man to find a relative peace amongst nations. When I saw my first non WH based wormhole I thought "Damnnnn this will wreck the current sov lines" however the low amount of said wormholes with too low mass limits has prevented real use of this.
It's a sad day when mods move bad threads with bad posters like this off the GD cesspool.
AFK cloakers are a no issue. Kill them. Don't have men to camp them? Then find a corp worth being in 0.0.
WHs too low mass? Mass and logistics are THE reason why WHs work and why blobtastic alliances have not invaded every of them and pushed the intended inhabitants out (smaller corps). Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Sola Mercury
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.04.25 08:50:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
WHs too low mass? Mass and logistics are THE reason why WHs work and why blobtastic alliances have not invaded every of them and pushed the intended inhabitants out (smaller corps).
Actually, it's more the fact, that the next exit of a static wh exit is pretty much unpredictable.
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
247
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Posted - 2012.04.25 12:50:00 -
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holy ****...you are dumb as hell with this farcical afk cloaking argument.
please shut up |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2922
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Posted - 2012.04.25 12:51:00 -
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I must confess, each and every one of our tech moons was taken by dishonorably afk cloaking. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.04.25 12:58:00 -
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i repeat, afk cloaking reduces inflation. |
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
175
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Posted - 2012.04.25 13:03:00 -
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corestwo wrote:AFK cloaking has less than nothing to do with why whatever no-name alliance you're in right now can't hold tech. Your no-name alliance can't hold tech because it doesn't have the raw numbers at the subcap, cap, and supercap levels to be able to even pretend to be able to make the attempt. How AFK cloaking enters into the equation at all, I have no idea.
And they're never going to make moon goo drop from rats, sorry. Ring mining is their solution to making it more of an individual, rather than alliance, income.
You know, Endeavour, thanks to you I am forced to agree with corestwo here. I detest that, you should be hunted down and podded for forcing me into agreement with goons.
What he said above is the plain and simple fact. Goons win at Tech because they have enough people to hold it. Crappy AFK mechanics (which suck, AFK cloak is pretty lame) are in no way a significant impact when compared to sheer numbers. Until someone comes along and shuts down Goon like they did BoB, you're going to either have to get cleverer, get bigger, or just deal with it. |
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Griznatch
Xicron Syndicate Tus Network
104
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Posted - 2012.04.25 13:38:00 -
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This just in: cornering the market on a single product causes inflation in the entire enconomy.
*rolls eyes* I used to have a clever sig but I lost it. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
165
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:21:00 -
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Before OTEC was there ever a cartel of tech goo alliances? Seemed like there was always the possibility to monoplise them sorta like how OPEC sorta has a strangle hold on oil prices To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2943
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:23:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Before OTEC was there ever a cartel of tech goo alliances? Seemed like there was always the possibility to monoplise them sorta like how OPEC sorta has a strangle hold on oil prices The NC tried, it failed miserably |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2943
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:26:00 -
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it was basically a gentlemen's agreement not to sell below 100k that was widely ignored because every alliance devolved their tech selling to their corps so some ceo would just dump to buy orders because he didn't know what the **** |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
192
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:47:00 -
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what he's saying is not only did their attempt to cartel fail, but they went about it in an incompetent fashion. I mean 100k? c'mon give me a break. |
Endeavour Starfleet
812
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:10:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:holy ****...you are dumb as hell with this farcical afk cloaking argument.
please shut up
You mean you run several yourself and don't want to lose the easy ganks you get from them right?
Killboard looking a bit too lean for you? Cry me a river. Almost everything else in EVE got nerfed it is time for this inactive use of the cloak to get the nerfbat as well. |
Beckie DeLey
Brigade of Guards SpaceMonkey's Alliance
45
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:20:00 -
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Try harder. The T2BPO tard is still ahead of you. But you're on the right track. Never give up, you can still win "Most annoying". It's The Legendary Extraordinary Me |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:42:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:holy ****...you are dumb as hell with this farcical afk cloaking argument.
please shut up You mean you run several yourself and don't want to lose the easy ganks you get from them right? Killboard looking a bit too lean for you? Cry me a river. Almost everything else in EVE got nerfed it is time for this inactive use of the cloak to get the nerfbat as well. you've been crying oceans for months on afk cloaking, tacking it on all sorts of arguments, we are telling you to stop for your own good. |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp.
26
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Posted - 2012.04.26 04:41:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:corestwo wrote:AFK cloaking has less than nothing to do with why whatever no-name alliance you're in right now can't hold tech. Your no-name alliance can't hold tech because it doesn't have the raw numbers at the subcap, cap, and supercap levels to be able to even pretend to be able to make the attempt. How AFK cloaking enters into the equation at all, I have no idea.
And they're never going to make moon goo drop from rats, sorry. Ring mining is their solution to making it more of an individual, rather than alliance, income. I agree that ring mining is the BEST solution. However, with DUST-EVE connection about to take a ton of dev time to finish up after Inferno I HIGHLY doubt it will happen this year. The fanfest bit was a bit of CGI that is about as developed as their modified screenshots of visual damage. We need to face facts. It most likely WONT happen this year. If I even remotely believed it would I would not bother suggesting it move to loot tables. The reason I am suggesting it openly as a band aid is because it is. It is a temporary solution until they can find the time to implement the trawlers.
That's not really how development works. CCP has hired on whole new teams for Dust development, while existing CCP Eve devs continue to work on Eve related development. sure once they start doing more integration (stuff in dust affecting Eve, like sovereignty) some Eve development hours will be lost, but chances are they will hire on a new team for that.
Over the next 6 - 12 months it is far more likely that MORE development time will be spent on the Eve side of things than less. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
165
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Posted - 2012.04.26 09:41:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Before OTEC was there ever a cartel of tech goo alliances? Seemed like there was always the possibility to monoplise them sorta like how OPEC sorta has a strangle hold on oil prices The NC tried, it failed miserably
Any guesses if Goons will be ableto pull it of post Escalation patch with the mineral nerf? To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
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clixor
Celluloid Gurus
7
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Posted - 2012.04.26 10:13:00 -
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Styth spiting wrote:
Over the next 6 - 12 months it is far more likely that MORE development time will be spent on the Eve side of things than less.
This, and there are many quick fixes thinkable which require very little dev time.
So, CCP could, but a fix implies that something is broken. I'm not sure CCP shares this view. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.04.26 10:55:00 -
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clixor wrote:Styth spiting wrote:
Over the next 6 - 12 months it is far more likely that MORE development time will be spent on the Eve side of things than less.
This, and there are many quick fixes thinkable which require very little dev time. So, CCP could, but a fix implies that something is broken. I'm not sure CCP shares this view.
lemme guess, afk cloaking? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2946
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Posted - 2012.04.26 12:49:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Weaselior wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Before OTEC was there ever a cartel of tech goo alliances? Seemed like there was always the possibility to monoplise them sorta like how OPEC sorta has a strangle hold on oil prices The NC tried, it failed miserably Any guesses if Goons will be ableto pull it of post Escalation patch with the mineral nerf? I think we can. Unlike the NC, all of Goonswarm's tech is centralized, so I personally control a huge chunk of technetium. This allows me to move the market on my own - the spike to 200k was done entirely by me, before OTEC was even tweeted. Additionally, there are no stockpiles left, so the price simply must go up. We don't need to withhold tech to make the market spike, we just need to not do stupid things selling it (don't undercut by 10k, don't dump massive stacks in one order), and if we notice the market is thin, simply relist all of our orders higher.
In the NC, no single tech seller controlled anything close to what I sell, even though MM had more tech moons than goonswarm does right now. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2946
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Posted - 2012.04.26 12:53:00 -
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Basically given the market fundamentals, the price simply must rise until demand is reduced to the new, lower supply. OTEC's job is to speed that price rise up, rather than create an artificial rise. That's a lot easier, and the things you need to do don't require any sort of trust which makes it much easier. Our enemies aren't worried I'm going to cheat if I say "hey we're all going to relist our orders 10k higher right now, then resume .01isking each other": they would be if I said "lets not sell any tech this week". |
Casius Omega
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.04.26 14:21:00 -
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Confirming i bought 100 hulks and i support OTEC
Lets go for 300k |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
601
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Posted - 2012.04.26 14:36:00 -
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We shall price our T2 ships in accordance. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Hexxx
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:45:00 -
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It's price manipulation, not inflation. Credibility begins and ends with your own personal ability to understand the meaning of the words you use. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
105
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:50:00 -
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What if they restored the drone alloy drops but made them refine into moon goo rather than minerals?? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
603
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Posted - 2012.04.26 18:50:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:What if they restored the drone alloy drops but made them refine into moon goo rather than minerals??
Or how about an intersection of EVE and WoW (kidding), ala DUST, so we can get access to that Veldspar to Moongoo Alchemist's Stone ! There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
165
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Posted - 2012.04.26 22:03:00 -
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Hexxx wrote:It's price manipulation, not inflation. Credibility begins and ends with your own personal ability to understand the meaning of the words you use.
Well I guess we could argue a list few RL causes of Inflation to see i they pertain to the game of Eve... say
The one I think is pertenant with OTEC I've stolen a few lines from what an economist in Forbes wrote so here: -Cause of Inflation: Market Power First, the economic agent could have market power. This means they have the ability to avoid (at least to some extent) competitive pressures. It is the latter that forces firms to please consumers. Adam Smith wrote in 1776 that we cannot trust the undertakers of business to look out for anyone but themselves, and so we must handcuff them. But not with markets, per se, with competition, and the two do not always go hand in hand. The OPEC oil cartel in the 1970s and 1980s is a classic example of marker power. Had there been other viable sources of what they sold, they could not have restricted supply and driven up prices as they did because the competition would not have allowed them to do so. We would have just bought oil (or a close substitute) from someone else. Up to late 1973, they lacked the political will to set strict quotas among the various exporters. But, once the motivation was provided by US involvement in the Yom Kippur War, they made a conscious decision to raise prices by cutting supply. And because they were able to avoid competition, it worked! Even though households do not buy barrels of oil, it caused terrible inflation. It drove up the prices of anything that used petroleum or petroleum-based products, it raised the price of gas and, therefore, anything that needed to be transported, and it caused inflation in other energy sources as users shifted to those products. Market powerGÇônot money growthGÇôcaused this inflation. The money supply only rose as a result of the fact that firms and consumers took out larger loans and sold assets for cash. The Federal Reserve acted as it should have done in these circumstances, accommodating this increased demand. (Of course having market power does not give carte blanche to raising prices. Even monopolists can only charge so much before consumers stop buying their products.
-Another Cause of Inflation: Demand Pull ( I guess a big war like Jita burns or Hulkageddon many be at work here soon? ) -Another Cause of Inflation: Asset Market Boom ( dunno if this is occuring in Eve ?) and finally what we're seeing with the Drone Nerf: Cause of Inflation: Supply Shock
On a side note Dunno i we'll truely get anywhere close to Hyperinflation but here's a a definition I found today: The International Accounting Standards Board ('IASB') describes hyperinflation as inflation that results in "a cumulative inflation rate over three years approaching 100%, being a compound inflation rate of 26% over a consecutive three year period - and hence any inflation rate that exceeds 26% compounded over a three year period.
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
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