Announcing OTEC: Organization of Technetium Exporting Corporations - Ensuring Galactic Supply! #tweetfleet #eveonline
https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani/status/194557192769241088

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/23/so-we-got-ourselves-a-nice-cartel-going/

Pretty soon the cheapest ships in Eve will be T3's fit with faction & meta 3 gear

I laugh when peeps tell me only ISK faucets cause inflation and I mention the oil crisis of the 70's ( remember OPEC? ):

Announcing OTEC: Organization of Technetium Exporting Corporations - Ensuring Galactic Supply! #tweetfleet #eveonline
https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani/status/194557192769241088

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/23/so-we-got-ourselves-a-nice-cartel-going/

Pretty soon the cheapest ships in Eve will be T3's fit with faction & meta 3 gear

I laugh when peeps tell me only ISK faucets cause inflation and I mention the oil crisis of the 70's ( remember OPEC? ):

Announcing OTEC: Organization of Technetium Exporting Corporations - Ensuring Galactic Supply! #tweetfleet #eveonline
https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani/status/194557192769241088

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/23/so-we-got-ourselves-a-nice-cartel-going/

Pretty soon the cheapest ships in Eve will be T3's fit with faction & meta 3 gear

I laugh when peeps tell me only ISK faucets cause inflation and I mention the oil crisis of the 70's ( remember OPEC? ):

Excellent. This is why EVE > all other games.

you assume i dont like a little heat.

Pretty soon the cheapest ships in Eve will be T3's fit with faction & meta 3 gear

What difference does Technetium make to Tech 3s?

Well this is what happens when you have game mechanics that so heavily favor the big alliances that they can afford to use what was supposed to be small corp tactics (Such as AFK Cloaking) to drive out small neuts and reds from the good stuff.

Corp and POS mechanics make isolating potential spies difficult except for big alliances. CCP Tells us their plan for fixing that is a modified minecraft screenshot for something next year. Result? They feel free to demand full API

AFK Cloaking drives small corps and alliances out shuts down efforts to fund alliances against the big boys. We hear nothing on this.

Tech moons and moon mining in general have gotten EXTREMELY out of hand and are serving to help solidify large alliances even further with virtually free isk flow. This has the added bonus of reducing the power of the individual corp member because stuff he mines or rats means less to the group. Instead of a badly needed temp change to drops from rats across nullsec we get pretty pictures for something next year.

These and more should have been priority for Inferno. And with Dust going to take up tons of their dev time why should the goons and others not feel safe to form a trust to raise prices?

CCP this is what nullsec has done to you. They pointed and screamed at incursions when the issues festering in their zone need to be fixed FAR more.

This has the added bonus of reducing the power of the individual corp member because stuff he mines or rats means less to the group.

Incursions generate isk while Moons are just used for trading goods. Moons don't create isk. Also, guess who was at the forefront of a Moongoo nerf on the CSM?

Lies, all lies ! The goons just want to wreck everything including themselves. Look at what happened the last time one of their important buttons got pushed That's right, it had to be someone with the roles to push the button.

Don't know how many times it has been said that Incursions aren't flooding the market with isk, despite the many lies said on that subject. And while moon goo does not create isk. It focuses it in the hands of those who use it to keep their big alliances big and secure.

At once it needs to be changed to drops from NPC rats across all of nullsec.

Don't know how many times it has been said that Incursions aren't flooding the market with isk, despite the many lies said on that subject. And while moon goo does not create isk. It focuses it in the hands of those who use it to keep their big alliances big and secure.

At once it needs to be changed to drops from NPC rats across all of nullsec.

Don't know how many times it has been said that Incursions aren't flooding the market with isk, despite the many lies said on that subject.

GǪexcept that they're doing exactly that, and that no-one with any sense or insight into the matter has said otherwise.

Just because it's not the largest faucet doesn't mean it's not flooding the market.

best suggestion ever. sort of like drone region alloys.
any alliance of worth use moon goo isk for ship reimbursements, you should join a better alliance.

I'm pretty sure they were showing off stuff that would be done this year. Anyway, it wouldn't make sense from any kind of standpoint except for a bandaid. Let it be fixed the proper way. Everyone has been ****** so many times by CCP rushing a fix out the door.

Also, I'm pretty sure that this cartel move is part of a plan to push the ring mining idea into overdrive for CCP.

Edit edit: While also making a nice profit on the side.

Drone region alloys are a COMPLETELY different matter. NPC drops competing with the trawler once implemented would be just as bad as the alloys are today. Instead it would wreck a huge source of passive focused and entrenched income. Forcing alliances that want it to work with the players and view them as something more than CTA member #2343 on #98th CTA.

You arent going to put a bunch of miners out of work with this band-aid.



It would be hard to F things up anymore than moon goo is today. And it is pretty much universal that people rat. It could cause a pretty sudden drop in prices, However that is easily managed by adapting the loot tables some over the course of this band-aid.

What part hasn't ppl understood that all this inflation and most of goonswarm action have the sole purpose to inflate everything in eve so that ppl swimming in loads of isk are forced to spend it and remove billions from the game?

I don't doubt this is somewhat conluded with CCP itself (or certain CCP members), in a few months when plenty of ISK leaves the game things will get back to normal...

Well way things are going the only materials untouched will be nano ribbons with the Escalation of inflation which is causing a Market Inferno... http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/24/leak-goonswarm-federation-ceo-update-goonswarm-unbound/

Not flooding the market. CCP has pointed out how little they generate while nullsec posted lies about overwhelming incursion income taking over the game.

So instead of this crap calling itself fixes for incursions (Which do nothing that needs to be done for them as usual)

So CFC and friends are gonna control tech production...
maybe we should just use tech 1 stuff then?

I have formed an organization. OCPEC. Organization of Cute Puppy Exporting Corporations.

http://imgur.com/a/J9CCh
http://imgur.com/eyAOv,GWVHF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJYzD2O4vkI&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IovYfuR8KMk&feature=youtu.be

How much is a cute puppy?

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Not empty quoting.

GǪand they they were (and still are) flooding the market. Being the third largest faucet kind of disqualifies it from being described as GǣlittleGǥ.

Well this is what happens when you have game mechanics that so heavily favor the big alliances that they can afford to use what was supposed to be small corp tactics (Such as AFK Cloaking) to drive out small neuts and reds from the good stuff.

Corp and POS mechanics make isolating potential spies difficult except for big alliances. CCP Tells us their plan for fixing that is a modified minecraft screenshot for something next year. Result? They feel free to demand full API

AFK Cloaking drives small corps and alliances out shuts down efforts to fund alliances against the big boys. We hear nothing on this.

Tech moons and moon mining in general have gotten EXTREMELY out of hand and are serving to help solidify large alliances even further with virtually free isk flow. This has the added bonus of reducing the power of the individual corp member because stuff he mines or rats means less to the group. Instead of a badly needed temp change to drops from rats across nullsec we get pretty pictures for something next year.

These and more should have been priority for Inferno. And with Dust going to take up tons of their dev time why should the goons and others not feel safe to form a trust to raise prices?

CCP this is what nullsec has done to you. They pointed and screamed at incursions when the issues festering in their zone need to be fixed FAR more.

I love it how you can stick to your guns even after they've backfired in your face.

Incursions might be a problem in terms of effort & risk versus reward, but they clearly aren't the sky-is-falling problem for the economy that some people liked to make them out to be.

On a side view, if 0.0 is so stagnant to actually support such a mutual co-op'd marketplace without any disturbances of war to require conservative use of wealth, sov etc. might be out of wack mechanics wise if there is no desire of expansion. Unless we're finally at that point in natural stages of man to find a relative peace amongst nations.

AFK cloaking has less than nothing to do with why whatever no-name alliance you're in right now can't hold tech. Your no-name alliance can't hold tech because it doesn't have the raw numbers at the subcap, cap, and supercap levels to be able to even pretend to be able to make the attempt. How AFK cloaking enters into the equation at all, I have no idea.



And they're never going to make moon goo drop from rats, sorry. Ring mining is their solution to making it more of an individual, rather than alliance, income.

When I saw my first non WH based wormhole I thought "Damnnnn this will wreck the current sov lines" however the low amount of said wormholes with too low mass limits has prevented real use of this.

WHs too low mass? Mass and logistics are THE reason why WHs work and why blobtastic alliances have not invaded every of them and pushed the intended inhabitants out (smaller corps).

AFK cloaking has less than nothing to do with why whatever no-name alliance you're in right now can't hold tech. Your no-name alliance can't hold tech because it doesn't have the raw numbers at the subcap, cap, and supercap levels to be able to even pretend to be able to make the attempt. How AFK cloaking enters into the equation at all, I have no idea.



And they're never going to make moon goo drop from rats, sorry. Ring mining is their solution to making it more of an individual, rather than alliance, income.

Before OTEC was there ever a cartel of tech goo alliances? Seemed like there was always the possibility to monoplise them sorta like how OPEC sorta has a strangle hold on oil prices

holy ****...you are dumb as hell with this farcical afk cloaking argument.

please shut up

You mean you run several yourself and don't want to lose the easy ganks you get from them right?

Killboard looking a bit too lean for you? Cry me a river. Almost everything else in EVE got nerfed it is time for this inactive use of the cloak to get the nerfbat as well.

I agree that ring mining is the BEST solution. However, with DUST-EVE connection about to take a ton of dev time to finish up after Inferno I HIGHLY doubt it will happen this year. The fanfest bit was a bit of CGI that is about as developed as their modified screenshots of visual damage.

We need to face facts. It most likely WONT happen this year. If I even remotely believed it would I would not bother suggesting it move to loot tables. The reason I am suggesting it openly as a band aid is because it is. It is a temporary solution until they can find the time to implement the trawlers.

The NC tried, it failed miserably

Over the next 6 - 12 months it is far more likely that MORE development time will be spent on the Eve side of things than less.

This, and there are many quick fixes thinkable which require very little dev time.

So, CCP could, but a fix implies that something is broken. I'm not sure CCP shares this view.

Any guesses if Goons will be ableto pull it of post Escalation patch with the mineral nerf?

Announcing OTEC: Organization of Technetium Exporting Corporations - Ensuring Galactic Supply! #tweetfleet #eveonline
https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani/status/194557192769241088

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/23/so-we-got-ourselves-a-nice-cartel-going/

Pretty soon the cheapest ships in Eve will be T3's fit with faction & meta 3 gear

I laugh when peeps tell me only ISK faucets cause inflation and I mention the oil crisis of the 70's ( remember OPEC? ):

What if they restored the drone alloy drops but made them refine into moon goo rather than minerals??

It's price manipulation, not inflation. Credibility begins and ends with your own personal ability to understand the meaning of the words you use.

That's not really how development works. CCP has hired on whole new teams for Dust development, while existing CCP Eve devs continue to work on Eve related development. sure once they start doing more integration (stuff in dust affecting Eve, like sovereignty) some Eve development hours will be lost, but chances are they will hire on a new team for that.

Over the next 6 - 12 months it is far more likely that MORE development time will be spent on the Eve side of things than less.

Yes MORE time on things that are related to dust. UI stuff, Bombardment stuff, backend stuff. Development won't stop but there is virtually no chance of any major fixes like ring mining when Dust launch is hovering over everything.

Well I guess we could argue a list few RL causes of Inflation to see i they pertain to the game of Eve... say

The one I think is pertenant with OTEC I've stolen a few lines from what an economist in Forbes wrote so here:
-Cause of Inflation: Market Power
First, the economic agent could have market power. This means they have the ability to avoid (at least to some extent) competitive pressures. It is the latter that forces firms to please consumers. Adam Smith wrote in 1776 that we cannot trust the undertakers of business to look out for anyone but themselves, and so we must handcuff them. But not with markets, per se, with competition, and the two do not always go hand in hand. The OPEC oil cartel in the 1970s and 1980s is a classic example of marker power. Had there been other viable sources of what they sold, they could not have restricted supply and driven up prices as they did because the competition would not have allowed them to do so. We would have just bought oil (or a close substitute) from someone else. Up to late 1973, they lacked the political will to set strict quotas among the various exporters. But, once the motivation was provided by US involvement in the Yom Kippur War, they made a conscious decision to raise prices by cutting supply. And because they were able to avoid competition, it worked! Even though households do not buy barrels of oil, it caused terrible inflation. It drove up the prices of anything that used petroleum or petroleum-based products, it raised the price of gas and, therefore, anything that needed to be transported, and it caused inflation in other energy sources as users shifted to those products. Market powerGÇônot money growthGÇôcaused this inflation. The money supply only rose as a result of the fact that firms and consumers took out larger loans and sold assets for cash. The Federal Reserve acted as it should have done in these circumstances, accommodating this increased demand.
(Of course having market power does not give carte blanche to raising prices. Even monopolists can only charge so much before consumers stop buying their products.

-Another Cause of Inflation: Demand Pull ( I guess a big war like Jita burns or Hulkageddon many be at work here soon? )
-Another Cause of Inflation: Asset Market Boom ( dunno if this is occuring in Eve ?)
and finally what we're seeing with the Drone Nerf:
Cause of Inflation: Supply Shock

(DN: please add other inflations causes I admit t not being an economist & would like to see them )

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On a side note Dunno i we'll truely get anywhere close to Hyperinflation but here's a a definition I found today:
The International Accounting Standards Board ('IASB') describes hyperinflation as inflation that results in "a cumulative inflation rate over three years approaching 100%, being a compound inflation rate of 26% over a consecutive three year period - and hence any inflation rate that exceeds 26% compounded over a three year period.

Inflation is a function of the active money supply (non-banned accounts) and money velocity. Also, inflation is measured across all items not just a certain sub-class of items. Short term trends are inflationary but the long term trend is deflationary. Anyone who thinks they can affect the long term inflationary trading by targeting a single material or a single system is daft. Even short term trends will be muted - the market is just too big.

What part hasn't ppl understood that all this inflation and most of goonswarm action have the sole purpose to inflate everything in eve so that ppl swimming in loads of isk are forced to spend it and remove billions from the game?

I don't doubt this is somewhat conluded with CCP itself (or certain CCP members), in a few months when plenty of ISK leaves the game things will get back to normal...

And here's the fatal flaw in the theory there: what about newbies fresh at day one? No PLEX, no friends, just their newbie ship and a handful of missions. Basically, what it'll lead to is there being haves versus havenots. And that means fewer reasons for newbies to stick around even if they have pals in game.

None, that's his whole point: that the tech cartel will drive prices up to the point where T3 ships will become the less expensive choice so everyone will fly those instead of T2.

We shall price our T2 ships in accordance.

okaaaaaaay? Most nullsec alliances fly T1 ships.

Not really? Granted maelstroms, abaddons and drakes are pretty dominant shiptypes but all of those fleets have various T2 ships in support roles.

But not enough to cause a huge impact from these morons threatening to raise T2 prices.

Also "well you robbed us of trillions of isk I shall cost you Millions" ain't a bad trade even if they pull it off

Another thing to consider is that tech 3 production is governed by those operating and controlling wormholes where sleeper technology is derived from for such ships.

I must confess, each and every one of our tech moons was taken by dishonorably afk cloaking.