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NeoShocker Caldari Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:48:00 - [1] Info Here Please take special notice to: Quote: Following the lunch break, proceedings continued with prosecutor Hskan Roswall failing to start up his computer. For several minutes, listeners of the live audio could hear mouse-clicks as Roswall, who earlier claimed to be an expert on computer crimes, tried to get his PowerPoint presentation on the screen. He was eventually ordered by the judge to stick to his papers and continue. ----------------------------------- Peace through power!
DubanFP Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:53:00 - [2] Quote: Peter points out that the prosecutor is having difficulty working out the difference between megabits and megabytes. Yeah, they're pretty much made of fail. _______________ This is EVE. Here you have the right to settle any disagreements with lethal force.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:18:00 - [3] Wow, I've never been that unprepared when testifying as a forensic expert witness, In fact I wouldn't have gotten involved with the case. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Lord Kazuhiro Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.17 06:52:00 - [4] Thanks for the link. I wasn't aware it had started yet. Arr! Long live pirate bay! Wish I could be there for the party after they win.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:11:00 - [5] If Pirate Bay doesn't screw this one up, it could mean a HUGE blow to the DRM monkeys. If they win this i think we're going to see a lot more on-demand and online distribution of stuff from the companies themselves. Will take a while before they decide to drop DRM and their prices though. It could also be a huge blow to copyrights, for that matter, which is a slightly more complicated matter. EVE History Wiki
Gone'Postal Void Engineers Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:16:00 - [6] <3 The Bay. Originally by: masternerdguy Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
Cierejai Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:18:00 - [7] So copyright infringement is illegal. Pirating is copyright infringement. Pirating is illegal. Pirate Bay hosts pirated movies, videos, music, etc.. I don't understand the legal system tbh.
Gone'Postal Void Engineers Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Cierejai Pirate Bay hosts pirated movies, videos, music, etc.. No, it does not. Originally by: masternerdguy Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Cierejai So copyright infringement is illegal. Pirating is copyright infringement. Pirating is illegal. Pirate Bay hosts pirated movies, videos, music, etc.. I don't understand the legal system tbh. The pirate bay hosts trackers and torrents. Users allow the files to be seeded. Its the users that are responsible The amount of sheer cost of lawyers, and court dates to prosecute the millions of theives who usually dont have any money anyway, is too expensive for the companies to go after them. They wouldnt gain anything in the end, and most paying customers would probably be slightly F'd off by that anyways. They are wasting their time. They should try to focus on making progress and advancing the industry to the point of not being able to pirate their software or pirated software being **** compared to the actual thing.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:52:00 - [10] A bunch of stiff suits were actually given the opportunity to have the torrenting method given to them (Napster approached major record labels and offered a cut to them), but they decided not to take it, because apparently everyone else in the world truly are a bunch of dumbasses compared to us. And after all this time, I finally removed that annoying sentence in my signature.

Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.02.17 08:09:00 - [11] Have to love when companies talk of losing billions to Piracy as if every 'stolen' copy of their media was from someone who would have bought it otherwise. - Infectious -
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.02.17 08:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Have to love when companies talk of losing billions to Piracy as if every 'stolen' copy of their media was from someone who would have bought it otherwise. I've bought more games and software after getting to 'test' it than if I wouldn't have had that chance. CEO \| Diary of a pod pilot
Roymundo Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.17 09:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Cierejai So copyright infringement is illegal. Pirating is copyright infringement. Pirating is illegal. Pirate Bay hosts pirated movies, videos, music, etc.. I don't understand the legal system tbh. very wrong buddy. the pirate bay hosts torrents "links" to files. they do not host any of the material themselves. you cannot be held legaly liable for hosting files if infact you do no such thing......
annoing	Posted - 2009.02.17 10:24:00 - [14] In effect they are using this as a test case. Wining will mean they can automatically close any other similer sites that may open in the future. The precident will have been set. They are simply attacking PB because they have no idea on how to close the torrents that PB links to. Also, various European in-county laws stop the media companies from chasing people who download files. Here in the UK for instance, its still currently legal to download, the crime is committed when you upload - thats why you should NEVER use P2P software. Closing PB and similer sites will stop the majority (for a short time anyway) from downloading.
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.17 10:36:00 - [15] to celebrate this i go to dl something(****) from TPB if they kill TPB we get demonoid etc etc if they kill torrent, emule, pando, i2p,DC+ wee still get freenet /insert here evil lol Somos universales, Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales, Ocultando nuestros miedos, Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos, Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2009.02.17 10:55:00 - [16] Edited by: Sokratesz on 17/02/2009 10:56:33 Originally by: Cierejai So copyright infringement is illegal. Pirating is copyright infringement. Pirating is illegal. Pirate Bay hosts pirated movies, videos, music, etc.. I don't understand the legal system tbh. lrn2/internet Then again, in another thread you already proved a remarkable incompetence in the understanding of civilisation and economics so adding internet to that list doesn't come as a surprise. I object to being called an atheist, as there is no common denominator for people who do not believe in unicorns either.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.02.17 11:43:00 - [17] <3 Sok. Keeps me from writing my own reply, oh wai...
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2009.02.17 11:54:00 - [18] The outcome is this case is still going to be interesting. The Danish ISPs were bullied into blocking all access to TPB. Really strange
Karma Eve University	Posted - 2009.02.17 12:14:00 - [19] and on the second day, 50% of the charges were dropped.
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.17 12:23:00 - [20] Originally by: LaVista Vista The outcome is this case is still going to be interesting. The Danish ISPs were bullied into blocking all access to TPB. Really strange change you ISP i bet there will be a ISP that want your money Somos universales, Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales, Ocultando nuestros miedos, Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos, Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.

Crimsonjade Comanche Nation	Posted - 2009.02.17 12:23:00 - [21] well at least the trial is somewhere they can get a fair trial at. If the company's could they would bring him to the USA and use one of their corporate judges to screw them over.
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2009.02.17 12:27:00 - [22] Originally by: ceaon Originally by: LaVista Vista The outcome is this case is still going to be interesting. The Danish ISPs were bullied into blocking all access to TPB. Really strange change you ISP i bet there will be a ISP that want your money Nah, I'd rather not. My ISP gives me just about all music I want for free. There's a few bands like Metallica that they don't provide. But the rest is for free consumption with my subscription
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:05:00 - [23] probably a good job they arnt being tried in the Uk else GB woulda prolly had up on anti terror charges aswell destroy everything you touch
Bish Ounen Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:28:00 - [24] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: ceaon Originally by: LaVista Vista The outcome is this case is still going to be interesting. The Danish ISPs were bullied into blocking all access to TPB. Really strange change you ISP i bet there will be a ISP that want your money Nah, I'd rather not. My ISP gives me just about all music I want for free. There's a few bands like Metallica that they don't provide. But the rest is for free consumption with my subscription If you are paying a subscription, it ISN'T FREE. Even if the subscription is ostensibly for something else such as Internet access, the costs of providing music are factored into the bill. If you don't get to KEEP the music, or it's tied to DRM which ties you to your ISP account, then you are only RENTING the music. No such thing as free. Incidentally, all they did with that Denmark ISP was remove the DNS entries for TPB. It's trivial to get around, just change your DNS to something NOT run by that ISP. I suggest OpenDNS. Enjoy! Fix the Wardec System!
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:28:00 - [25] Didn't know there was a new trial going on, I thought it was done and dusted a couple of years back. It's an interesting one and I'm sure a lot of it hinges on Swedish copyright law, but I have a suspicion that the MPAA won't be winning this one. After reading half the charges were dropped in the 2nd link, I think they've gone about this the wrong way. Saying TPB is commercially pirating their IPs is not technically true, they aren't making any money from copyrighted materials. And claiming they're hosting infringing materials is also untrue as there's no copyright-protected material anywhere on the servers or within their control. Ultimately, TPB isn't doing itself any favours...having people waving Pirate flags to support the Pirate Bay in a trial about pirating, when people can go to the web site and find links to pirated material, they're not making it easy for themselves, but I think that prosecuting them from a 'technical' standpoint is the wrong way to go as 'technically' TPB is not doing any unlawful. Also, the laws in the US and laws in Sweden are quite different. While I don't know the specifics, I know for one thing the DMCA doesn't exist in Sweden (wasn't it a Norweigan guy that gave the world De-CSS? The MPAA lost that case too). P2P technology is legal and has legitimate uses...the problem is the industry can't pursue the end user as there's too many, in too many countries and it's not easy to find them. TPB has a strong web presence but really the argument is a simple one...is a dinner knife a murder weapon or an eating utensil? Just because it could be used for illegal purposes, doesn't in itself make it illegal. TPB flaunt themselves too much instead of keeping a low profile, but they have technicalities on their side. -------------
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:36:00 - [26] "There has been high drama on the second day of the Pirate Bay trial. Due to serious shortcomings in the prosecution evidence, around 50% of the charges in the case are going to have to be withdrawn. The defense describes it as a ’sensation’, seeing half of the charges being dropped on the second day. What has been shown in court today is that the prosecutor cannot prove that the .torrent files he is using as evidence actually used The Pirate Bay’s tracker. Many of the screenshots being used clearly state there is no connection to the tracker. Additionally, prosecutor Hskan Roswall didn’t adequately explain the function of DHT which allows for so called “trackerless” torrents. The flaw in the evidence was pointed out by Fredrik Neij (TiAMO), who requested to comment on Roswall’s explanation of how BitTorrent actually works. Fredrik said that the prosecution misunderstood the technology, and told the court that the evidence doesn’t show that the Pirate Bay’s trackers are used. This has resulted in prosecutor Hskan Roswall having to drop all charges relating to “assisting copyright infringement”, so the remaining charges are simply ‘assisting making available’. “Everything related to reproduction will be removed from the claim,” he said." _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Doctor Penguin Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:02:00 - [27] Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 17/02/2009 14:02:25 I have a long line of good arguements about why piracy is not a bad thing lined up, of which the strongest two are: 1) I wouldn't buy that CD anyway. 2) If the copyright holder protected their stuff properly, I wouldn't be able to download it. Don't forget, all music protection can be got around with Audacity and a few minutes to record the song.
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:33:00 - [28] Originally by: Bish Ounen Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: ceaon Originally by: LaVista Vista The outcome is this case is still going to be interesting. The Danish ISPs were bullied into blocking all access to TPB. Really strange change you ISP i bet there will be a ISP that want your money Nah, I'd rather not. My ISP gives me just about all music I want for free. There's a few bands like Metallica that they don't provide. But the rest is for free consumption with my subscription If you are paying a subscription, it ISN'T FREE. Even if the subscription is ostensibly for something else such as Internet access, the costs of providing music are factored into the bill. If you don't get to KEEP the music, or it's tied to DRM which ties you to your ISP account, then you are only RENTING the music. No such thing as free. Incidentally, all they did with that Denmark ISP was remove the DNS entries for TPB. It's trivial to get around, just change your DNS to something NOT run by that ISP. I suggest OpenDNS. Enjoy! Sure, it's free. What do you have tools for removing DRM for otherwise? I don't need TPB anyways. It's too easy to get around
Furio Shin Gallente Furious Furio.	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:46:00 - [29] Piratebay has always had a good legal team (or person). Being in Sweden makes it easier for them, but they won't be able to dodge this forever. These companies will not stop til piratebay is gone.
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:56:00 - [30] Quote: Piratebay has always had a good legal team (or person). Being in Sweden makes it easier for them, but they won't be able to dodge this forever. These companies will not stop til piratebay is gone. Indeed, but it really just depends on how good that legal team really is. They will eventually have to give up and embrace the idea themselves if they can't defeat TPB, and it's only then that I can see the pirate bay closing. Otherwise I just see them closing down temporarily and moving elsewhere. --- Originally by: 7shining7one7 no.. you're f'ing insane.

Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.02.17 15:02:00 - [31] Originally by: KingsGambit Didn't know there was a new trial going on, I thought it was done and dusted a couple of years back. It's an interesting one and I'm sure a lot of it hinges on Swedish copyright law, but I have a suspicion that the MPAA won't be winning this one. After reading half the charges were dropped in the 2nd link, I think they've gone about this the wrong way. Saying TPB is commercially pirating their IPs is not technically true, they aren't making any money from copyrighted materials. And claiming they're hosting infringing materials is also untrue as there's no copyright-protected material anywhere on the servers or within their control. Ultimately, TPB isn't doing itself any favours...having people waving Pirate flags to support the Pirate Bay in a trial about pirating, when people can go to the web site and find links to pirated material, they're not making it easy for themselves, but I think that prosecuting them from a 'technical' standpoint is the wrong way to go as 'technically' TPB is not doing any unlawful. Also, the laws in the US and laws in Sweden are quite different. While I don't know the specifics, I know for one thing the DMCA doesn't exist in Sweden (wasn't it a Norweigan guy that gave the world De-CSS? The MPAA lost that case too). P2P technology is legal and has legitimate uses...the problem is the industry can't pursue the end user as there's too many, in too many countries and it's not easy to find them. TPB has a strong web presence but really the argument is a simple one...is a dinner knife a murder weapon or an eating utensil? Just because it could be used for illegal purposes, doesn't in itself make it illegal. TPB flaunt themselves too much instead of keeping a low profile, but they have technicalities on their side. Those "technicalities" are the law. Indeed, what else is law but technicalities? If we're going to talk about the intent of the law on copyright infringement, then PB can with equal justice raise the issue of the intent of copyright in the first place. That's not a discussion that the RIAA/MPAA want at all.
Gonatou	Posted - 2009.02.17 15:26:00 - [32] it might sound irrelevant, but pirate bay was a crappy site anyway. Iso hunt, mininova are much better in quantity and variety in torrent searches
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.02.17 15:30:00 - [33] Originally by: Gonatou it might sound irrelevant, but pirate bay was a crappy site anyway. Iso hunt, mininova are much better in quantity and variety in torrent searches Who, what? Delenda est achura.
Professor Nutbutter Caldari Void Engineers Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.17 16:15:00 - [34] To be honest, TPB was a really terrible site, almost as bad as demonoid, but this trial is just a huge waste of time and money, as soon as they actually realise what a torrent site is and how it works, they'll hopefully apologise to the torrenting community and instead order every ISP to give us more BW.
Ebodhisatva The Templars Knights	Posted - 2009.02.17 16:41:00 - [35] Edited by: Ebodhisatva on 17/02/2009 16:46:32 http://torrentfreak.com/50-of-charges-against-pirate-bay-dropped-090217/ Quote: What has been shown in court today is that the prosecutor cannot prove that the .torrent files he is using as evidence actually used The Pirate BayÆs tracker. Many of the screenshots being used clearly state there is no connection to the tracker. Additionally, prosecutor Hskan Roswall didnÆt adequately explain the function of DHT which allows for so called ôtrackerlessö torrents. The flaw in the evidence was pointed out by Fredrik Neij (TiAMO), who requested to comment on RoswallÆs explanation of how BitTorrent actually works. Fredrik said that the prosecution misunderstood the technology, and told the court that the evidence doesnÆt show that the Pirate BayÆs trackers are used. This has resulted in prosecutor Hskan Roswall having to drop all charges relating to ôassisting copyright infringementö, so the remaining charges are simply æassisting making availableÆ. ôEverything related to reproduction will be removed from the claim,ö he said. The defense was happy to see that already half of the charges were dropped during the morning session of the second day. ôThis is a sensation. It is very rare to win half the target in just one and a half days and it is clear that the prosecutor took strong note of what we said yesterday,ö said defense lawyer Per E Samuelson. Peter Althin, representing Peter Sunde said, ôIt is clear that this is an advantage for the accused.ö ôEPIC WINNING LOL,ö Peter himself later commented on Twitter. IFPI was quick to release a statement where they try to spin the dropped charges into something good. ôItÆs a largely technical issue that changes nothing in terms of our compensation claims and has no bearing whatsoever on the main case against The Pirate Bay. In fact it simplifies the prosecutorÆs case by allowing him to focus on the main issue, which is the making available of copyrighted works,ö IFPIÆs legal counsel said. During the remainder of the morning session it was mostly prosecutor Hskan Roswall talking. Among other things he explained in detail how email works (made no mistakes there). Several details on the hardware that was taken during the raid in 2006 were discussed, as well as invoices and email conversations about server costs. After the lunch break, around 1:30pm the court decided to end the day early. Tomorrow morning the prosecution will continue to build (or break) their case and on Thursday the defense will have its say. This is a breaking and developing story, check back here for updatesà
EliteSlave Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.17 17:11:00 - [36] Now Im not one to profess Laws... but...imho TPB doesnt host the actual file itself. but It does point the way and the means to do so... So in all reality.. Guilt by Association. Its like... Well you can get crack here on the corner, talk to Crack Willy and he will hook up you up. and Make sure to knock 3 times on the door, followed by a bird call whoo whooo. so he doesnt shoot you thru the door thinking oyour a cop.
Drachma Golea Caldari hunter killers	Posted - 2009.02.17 17:23:00 - [37] Originally by: EliteSlave Now Im not one to profess Laws... but...imho TPB doesnt host the actual file itself. but It does point the way and the means to do so... So in all reality.. Guilt by Association. Its like... Well you can get crack here on the corner, talk to Crack Willy and he will hook up you up. and Make sure to knock 3 times on the door, followed by a bird call whoo whooo. so he doesnt shoot you thru the door thinking oyour a cop. it's just like an information center, purely for locations, if you look at the torrent itself, it doesn't say _what_ it is.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.02.17 17:29:00 - [38] Originally by: EliteSlave TPB doesnt host the actual file itself. but It does point the way and the means to do so... So in all reality.. Guilt by Association. The problem is, all search engines can effictively point you to copyrighted material, even if we avoid torrents altogether, enter a movie/tv show/game/etc into google followed by the word "rapidshare" and you will find a pirate version. If the case is actually won by the prosecutors it will have huge implications on a lot of things to do with the internet. __________________
Cierejai Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.17 18:07:00 - [39] Edited by: Cierejai on 17/02/2009 18:08:39 ^
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.02.17 18:25:00 - [40] I really hope PB don't screw this up. If they lose this case, it'll be open season on all torrent sites. ____________________

David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.17 18:48:00 - [41] Edited by: David Kang on 17/02/2009 18:49:08 Originally by: ReaperOfSly I really hope PB don't screw this up. If they lose this case, it'll be open season on all torrent sites. And google. All piratebay does is search for keywords like google its a search engine thats it. it host no illegal content. just show the judge and jury google, do a search for Guns and roses torrent and you will get the same effect.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.02.17 19:06:00 - [42] Originally by: David Kang Edited by: David Kang on 17/02/2009 18:49:08 Originally by: ReaperOfSly I really hope PB don't screw this up. If they lose this case, it'll be open season on all torrent sites. And google. All piratebay does is search for keywords like google its a search engine thats it. it host no illegal content. just show the judge and jury google, do a search for Guns and roses torrent and you will get the same effect. As far as I'm aware, the .torrent file itself IS hosted on the PB website. And that file enables people to share copyrighted material. IANAL, so I don't know the details and technicalities of the case, but I don't think PB's case is watertight. More's the pity. ____________________
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 19:33:00 - [43] Anyone else remember copying tapes for and from friends? I remember my friends and I copying 2 Live Crew's, "As Nasty As They Wanna Be" album, numerous times due to parents finding the tapes and destorying them. I support the bands I like. I see them live, occasionaly by there shirts, and if the music is good I by the album. One way or another I make sure that I know the album before I buy it. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.17 19:37:00 - [44] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: David Kang Edited by: David Kang on 17/02/2009 18:49:08 Originally by: ReaperOfSly I really hope PB don't screw this up. If they lose this case, it'll be open season on all torrent sites. And google. All piratebay does is search for keywords like google its a search engine thats it. it host no illegal content. just show the judge and jury google, do a search for Guns and roses torrent and you will get the same effect. As far as I'm aware, the .torrent file itself IS hosted on the PB website. And that file enables people to share copyrighted material. IANAL, so I don't know the details and technicalities of the case, but I don't think PB's case is watertight. More's the pity. Technically (if I am not mistaken~) the torrent file is nothing more then a tracker from which the data is pulled from. No files etc are kept on the piratebays server.
Jhagiti Tyran Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2009.02.17 19:47:00 - [45] Pirate bay is a facilitator pure and simple they help people access the materials needed for copyright theft, claiming they never have infringed materials on their servers doesn't change the fact they are accomplises to a crime as they arrange the "meeting" place. If somebody arranges access to child **** that's illegal even if they never see the material and helping people to buy drugs is illegal even if they never hold the drugs and the same is true for money laundering and the selling of stolen goods.
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.17 19:59:00 - [46] Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Pirate bay is a facilitator pure and simple they help people access the materials needed for copyright theft, claiming they never have infringed materials on their servers doesn't change the fact they are accomplises to a crime as they arrange the "meeting" place. If somebody arranges access to child ** that's illegal even if they never see the material and helping people to buy drugs is illegal even if they never hold the drugs and the same is true for money laundering and the selling of stolen goods. Its called an Usage policy Linked from piratebay herself Quote:** The responsibility lies upon the user to not spread malicious, false or illegal material using the tracker. We do not censor but we do block people that use our service wrongfully (i.e. commercial organisations that have not cleared the usage with us first). They right there have just washed there hands. A User uploads any torrent which contains any illegal content. and it is the users fault, piratebay is not to blame You agree to that policy when you upload.
Doctor Penguin Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.02.17 20:28:00 - [47] Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 17/02/2009 20:29:49 A city council decides to build a small public park. Once they have finished this and opened it to everyone, a drug dealing gang start using it as a private place to sell and use their drugs. By the arguement that TPB is guilty by association or somehow facillitating a crime, that would mean the city council was guilty of drug dealing. (To explain, the public park is TPB. Anybody can go in, and nobody looks to see who's actually in there, because it's a public park and everyone is allowed to be there. The drug dealers are the copyright breakers - whilst they use the park as a base, it is not the park's fault that they're dealing drugs in it.) ________________________________________________
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.17 20:30:00 - [48] Originally by: Doctor Penguin A city council decides to build a small public park. Once they have finished this and opened it to everyone, a drug dealing gang start using it as a private place to sell and use their drugs. By the arguement that TPB is guilty by association or somehow facillitating a crime, that would mean the city council was guilty of drug dealing. (To explain, the public park is TPB. Anybody can go in, and nobody looks to see who's actually in there, because it's a public park and everyone has allowed to be there. The drug dealers are the copyright breakers - whilst they use the park as a base, it is not the park's fault that they're dealing drugs in it.) Bingo! So if Piratebay goes down.. so must google and all other internet search engines (parks) So yeah piratebay is going to be around for a LONG TIME
EliteSlave Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.17 21:02:00 - [49] Originally by: Doctor Penguin Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 17/02/2009 20:29:49 A city council decides to build a small public park. Once they have finished this and opened it to everyone, a drug dealing gang start using it as a private place to sell and use their drugs. By the arguement that TPB is guilty by association or somehow facillitating a crime, that would mean the city council was guilty of drug dealing. (To explain, the public park is TPB. Anybody can go in, and nobody looks to see who's actually in there, because it's a public park and everyone is allowed to be there. The drug dealers are the copyright breakers - whilst they use the park as a base, it is not the park's fault that they're dealing drugs in it.) Incorrect my friend... A park is a place built to facilitate legal activities.. A website that is setup full well knowing that it will facilitate Illegal activities is thus Illegal and Guilt by Association.
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.17 21:11:00 - [50] Edited by: David Kang on 17/02/2009 21:16:02 Edited by: David Kang on 17/02/2009 21:13:57 Originally by: EliteSlave Originally by: Doctor Penguin Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 17/02/2009 20:29:49 A city council decides to build a small public park. Once they have finished this and opened it to everyone, a drug dealing gang start using it as a private place to sell and use their drugs. By the arguement that TPB is guilty by association or somehow facillitating a crime, that would mean the city council was guilty of drug dealing. (To explain, the public park is TPB. Anybody can go in, and nobody looks to see who's actually in there, because it's a public park and everyone is allowed to be there. The drug dealers are the copyright breakers - whilst they use the park as a base, it is not the park's fault that they're dealing drugs in it.) Incorrect my friend... A park is a place built to facilitate legal activities.. A website that is setup full well knowing that it will facilitate Illegal activities is thus Illegal and Guilt by Association. The piratebay is not set-up to facilitate Illegal activities. Source piratebay About Quote: The Pirate Bay is the worlds largest bittorrent tracker. Bittorrent is a filesharing protocol that in a reliable way enables big and fast file transfers. Bittorrent and piratebay are GREAT for the open source community to share (legal) software, resource and books. As well as lessening the loads on game servers (getting the eve-online client from piratebay isn't illegal). Before you make said comment.. please provide proof that the piratebay (just a funny name) is connected and or promoting the download of illegal software and music?. You may be aware or heard there off, Illegal activity taking place which is subject to individual users and against the usage policy. There usage policy covers them on this account.

mamolian Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2009.02.17 21:11:00 - [51] Originally by: EliteSlave A website that is setup full well knowing that it will facilitate Illegal activities is thus Illegal and Guilt by Association. and a tracker website is made to facilitate illegal activity? What the christ are you smoking. Theres vast amounts of stuff available on your average tracker site that is perfectly legal. And as for TPB being closed for hosting text files with information pointing to other computers with the content.. Its about as illegal as hyperlinks.. -----------
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.17 21:15:00 - [52] Originally by: mamolian Originally by: EliteSlave A website that is setup full well knowing that it will facilitate Illegal activities is thus Illegal and Guilt by Association. and a tracker website is made to facilitate illegal activity? What the christ are you smoking. Theres vast amounts of stuff available on your average tracker site that is perfectly legal. And as for TPB being closed for hosting text files with information pointing to other computers with the content.. Its about as illegal as hyperlinks.. Re Read my post.. I was using that as analogy of WHY they cannot get shut down
EliteSlave Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.17 21:19:00 - [53] Does / Did Piratebay Actively delete all records of Illegal Activities on their sites and reported all IP's to all appropriate places? If yes, then Piratebay has nothing to worry about. If not, They facilitated the Illegal act's. Also, people that Download Game files thru Bittorrent, Must be incredibly stupid / risktaking, Yes I want to d/l from joe schmoe that could have made alterations to a game that could potentially ruin my gaming experience and or real life financial. /end sarcasm. If you facilitate a Crime, do the time and quit your complaining.
Xelios Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.02.17 21:25:00 - [54] Originally by: EliteSlave Does / Did Piratebay Actively delete all records of Illegal Activities on their sites and reported all IP's to all appropriate places? If yes, then Piratebay has nothing to worry about. If not, They facilitated the Illegal act's. Also, people that Download Game files thru Bittorrent, Must be incredibly stupid / risktaking, Yes I want to d/l from joe schmoe that could have made alterations to a game that could potentially ruin my gaming experience and or real life financial. /end sarcasm. If you facilitate a Crime, do the time and quit your complaining. By that logic google is also guilty of the same crime. They provide links to illegal content and make no effort to filter those links out or report people searching for them.
Cierejai Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.17 22:09:00 - [55] Edited by: Cierejai on 17/02/2009 22:11:52 Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 17/02/2009 10:56:33 Originally by: Cierejai So copyright infringement is illegal. Pirating is copyright infringement. Pirating is illegal. Pirate Bay hosts pirated movies, videos, music, etc.. I don't understand the legal system tbh. lrn2/internet Then again, in another thread you already proved a remarkable incompetence in the understanding of civilisation and economics so adding internet to that list doesn't come as a surprise. You don't have to be so rude friend. I know enough about the internet to keep myself out of trouble, that's enough for me. I guess for some people it is hard to learn when, rather then finding helpful people, they only find asshats.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2009.02.18 13:05:00 - [56] Originally by: Cierejai You don't have to be so rude friend. I know enough about the internet to keep myself out of trouble, that's enough for me. I guess for some people it is hard to learn when, rather then finding helpful people, they only find asshats. Had your reply been an honest question about the situation rather than the weird statement you made it out to be, and had you not recently proven to be totally incompetent on the aforementioned fields, then I might have taken the time to type up a proper response. I killed a Scot and I liked it <-- hot smartbomb action
DubanFP Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.02.18 16:31:00 - [57] Edited by: DubanFP on 18/02/2009 16:32:47 Originally by: Cierejai . I know enough about the internet to keep myself out of trouble, that's enough for me. Actually you don't. Do you honestly expect the handful of people that it takes to run a site like that, probebly only in their spare time at that, to manually search through and use millions of files, any of which could even be viral, and delete every single one that even might questionably against some vague law? You haven't the slightest clue how these things work. _______________ This is EVE. Here you have the right to settle any disagreements with lethal force.
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.02.18 16:44:00 - [58] this TPB trial is just one of the atempts to, wait for it, here comes an oxymoron... Regulate the internet. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
EliteSlave Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.18 17:00:00 - [59] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 18/02/2009 16:32:47 Originally by: Cierejai . I know enough about the internet to keep myself out of trouble, that's enough for me. Actually you don't. Do you honestly expect the handful of people that it takes to run a site like that, probebly only in their spare time at that, to manually search through and use millions of files, any of which could even be viral, and delete every single one that even might questionably against some vague law? You haven't the slightest clue how these things work. Actually it really isnt that hard. Setup a filter in the Database... for key words... like.... Filter = [42j]Defiance.screener.divx.mp4.avi = Quarantine For Abuse check.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2009.02.18 17:31:00 - [60] Originally by: EliteSlave Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 18/02/2009 16:32:47 Originally by: Cierejai . I know enough about the internet to keep myself out of trouble, that's enough for me. Actually you don't. Do you honestly expect the handful of people that it takes to run a site like that, probebly only in their spare time at that, to manually search through and use millions of files, any of which could even be viral, and delete every single one that even might questionably against some vague law? You haven't the slightest clue how these things work. Actually it really isnt that hard. Setup a filter in the Database... for key words... like.... Filter = [42j]Defiance.screener.divx.mp4.avi = Quarantine For Abuse check. It's not their responsibility to check what their users do with their programs..also are you gonna pay the office building full of personnel to enforce these 'abuse checks' ? I killed a Scot and I liked it <-- hot smartbomb action

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2009.02.18 17:35:00 - [61] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 18/02/2009 17:36:05 I really dont care what happens in this trial. If pirate bay closes down, there is hundreds of more sites. Close them down and people move to private trackers. Go hunt them and people go for encrypted ftp servers. People will go back to sending cd's or dvd's in the mail if they have to. This is a battle that cant be won by the music industry, and I dont think they deserve to win either. People who come up with stuff like Spotify deserve to get rich, not the people who try to put their teenage potential customers in jail. One of them is adapting to the new environment, one is not. Adapt or die. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
EliteSlave Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.18 18:52:00 - [62] Edited by: EliteSlave on 18/02/2009 18:54:43 Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: EliteSlave Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 18/02/2009 16:32:47 Originally by: Cierejai . I know enough about the internet to keep myself out of trouble, that's enough for me. Actually you don't. Do you honestly expect the handful of people that it takes to run a site like that, probebly only in their spare time at that, to manually search through and use millions of files, any of which could even be viral, and delete every single one that even might questionably against some vague law? You haven't the slightest clue how these things work. Actually it really isnt that hard. Setup a filter in the Database... for key words... like.... Filter = [42j]Defiance.screener.divx.mp4.avi = Quarantine For Abuse check. It's not their responsibility to check what their users do with their programs..also are you gonna pay the office building full of personnel to enforce these 'abuse checks' ? I dont need to pay them. have it automated. If they are able to afford lawyers to stand up in court. then they have the funds to set up a few database filters. and have it queue all quaruntines for a week, then Once a week run a report and have it Email via form mail to the appropriate authorities. And you have washed your hands of all accountability. If you provide a service, Dont be lazy about running your service.
DubanFP Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:12:00 - [63] Edited by: DubanFP on 18/02/2009 19:13:28 Originally by: EliteSlave Actually it really isnt that hard. Setup a filter in the Database... for key words... like.... Filter = [42j]Defiance.screener.divx.mp4.avi = Quarantine For Abuse check. Remove them automatically and you wind up deleting a lot of useful stuff with it. ****ed off customers = no buisiness. Check through the triggered material manually and, as stated above, you'll need to pay for an office of people to sort through items on the check list. Either way people will find ways around it and it'll miss a lot of stuff. Well, that is unless you want to hire another office full of people just to maintain the filters and do tons of research on what can and can't be downloaded. In the end its not just a couple filters.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2009.02.19 00:15:00 - [64] The responsibility lies with the user. Can you sue the mail company for allowing a copied DVD to be mailed around? I don't see them arresting the mail companies after taking delivery of an anthrax mail. Or should we see this as a precursor for a law that allows the government to check everyone's mail before they get it? Are ISP's going to get sued because they allow for criminal communication? I can see some media companies dropping their contract with a CD printing contractor on a technicality, sueing them for copying their IP. I'm sorry, but i think the entertainment industry is digging it's own grave. Copyrights as we know them today are already almost unmanagable, and in 5-10 years they'll be just letters on pieces of paper, holding no value whatsoever because they can't be reinforced. The industry will bankrupt itself because the overhead of trying to stay ahead of the internet generation - The only ones that will survive are the companies that have made the transition to the new media, which currently are just a few of them... Gaming companies in front, taking MMORPG's and Steam as examples. EVE History Wiki
Feilamya Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.19 00:31:00 - [65] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 18/02/2009 17:36:05 I really dont care what happens in this trial. If pirate bay closes down, there is hundreds of more sites. Close them down and people move to private trackers. Go hunt them and people go for encrypted ftp servers. People will go back to sending cd's or dvd's in the mail if they have to. No need to. P2P technology is advanced enough that I'm surprised there is still a need for services such as TPB. For convenience, maybe ... anyways if TPB and all similar sites close down, it will likely be replaced by something closer to "true" P2P with no central services in between and therefore no chokepoint that provides a target to lawyers. Then they can still sue the authors of P2P software and all sites that distribute it. The former is not a problem, because it won't wipe out the software that already exists and won't prevent it from being developed further by other people. The latter is the last remaining piece of the inherent chicken & egg problem of P2P technology. And that's where sending CDs and DVDs comes in if everything else fails ;)
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.19 00:38:00 - [66] check this lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_kong_defense Originally by: Feilamya No need to. P2P technology is advanced enough that I'm surprised there is still a need for services such as TPB. For convenience, maybe ... anyways if TPB and all similar sites close down, it will likely be replaced by something closer to "true" P2P with no central services in between and therefore no chokepoint that provides a target to lawyers. is already done by freenet is not used on big scale because there is not really big need for this. freenet is based on small word theory Somos universales, Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales, Ocultando nuestros miedos, Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos, Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.19 01:35:00 - [67] no way they are gonna lose.. the goverment is tackling the wrong problem and the music industry is working at it the wrong way. The ISP's should be enforced insomeway(have no idea lol), mp3 songs should be encoded(somehow?) etc.etc.etc.etc. SOMETHING about the lines of that. Should be focusing on technology, either finding a way to make it non possible AND to take advantage (spotify for example). If I want a song, I won't go onto itunes and buy it... = takes time, setting up account etc.etc people are lazy. However I thin kthe internet is a good idea and has a positive affect. record labels have for too long run a monopoly on how much cd's cost etc. It's alot more 'democratic' in a way... I may be right/wrong. Please postfacts if you want to correct me. I'm not a stingy git haha.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.19 01:43:00 - [68] Originally by: EliteSlave I dont need to pay them. have it automated. If they are able to afford lawyers to stand up in court. then they have the funds to set up a few database filters. and have it queue all quaruntines for a week, then Once a week run a report and have it Email via form mail to the appropriate authorities. And you have washed your hands of all accountability. If you provide a service, Dont be lazy about running your service. you don't understand the picture here... their money comes from the illegal file pointing... If there were no illegal links then it would all be shareware. What would you want to do with shareware? Depending on how many people enter the site the price for an advertisment spot on the site goes up, more people = more cash, more illegal files = more people. I saw the word "viral" don't know what it means, or if it's important in this context.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.19 01:45:00 - [69] Originally by: Feilamya Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 18/02/2009 17:36:05 I really dont care what happens in this trial. If pirate bay closes down, there is hundreds of more sites. Close them down and people move to private trackers. Go hunt them and people go for encrypted ftp servers. People will go back to sending cd's or dvd's in the mail if they have to. No need to. P2P technology is advanced enough that I'm surprised there is still a need for services such as TPB. For convenience, maybe ... anyways if TPB and all similar sites close down, it will likely be replaced by something closer to "true" P2P with no central services in between and therefore no chokepoint that provides a target to lawyers. Then they can still sue the authors of P2P software and all sites that distribute it. The former is not a problem, because it won't wipe out the software that already exists and won't prevent it from being developed further by other people. The latter is the last remaining piece of the inherent chicken & egg problem of P2P technology. And that's where sending CDs and DVDs comes in if everything else fails ;) They would loose, as the program when active CAN be used for LEGAL purposes... Read my post 2 posts back about ISP's n stuff.
Xelios Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.02.19 02:08:00 - [70] Originally by: Reiisha The responsibility lies with the user. Can you sue the mail company for allowing a copied DVD to be mailed around?... Agreed with everything. Fact is the internet put us in a new age, if companies can't adapt to it the only remaining option is to make room for someone who can. Even if TPB is shut down a dozen other trackers will take its place. Even if bittorrent itself is blocked some new protocol will take its place. And it'll be faster, more efficient, more anonymous and harder to disrupt. It's happened several times already and it'll keep happening. Eventually we'll reach the point where it all comes down to a simple choice, do we allow file sharing or do we dismantle the internet and forget it ever existed? Because by then the two will be so intertwined that it'll be impossible to separate one from the other.

Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.19 02:30:00 - [71] I've always said the game industry itself is more responsible for piracy than anyone else. Spending millions on anti-piracy measures ensures that your product remains expensive. If a pirate can crack this protection and still distribute it, more people are going to download due to the high cost of buying it. If you reduce your overheads and retail your goods at a price that more people are willing to pay, less will pirate the software. Let's face it, with the inclusion of manuals and other ducumentation, the bought version has always got to be better. Allowing users to copy the disk to protect their original disk means that it stays in good condition and keeps more people happy. This has always been my major gripe with games, your original disk gets scratched and damaged by constant use but you can't elect not to have it in the drive because of the anti-piracy software. There are games from the days of DOS that I still like to play and have an old P120 to play them on. Every one I own has a copy that I use to install etc, but if I had to use the original, they would never have lasted this long. This won't get rid of piracy but it will reduce it a lot. People refuse to pay such high prices for games now, especially given that many of them are bugged to the point of being unplayable for the first month or so until a huge patch comes out. It seems that the M$ legacy of shipping bugged software is rubbing off on the games industry. Nobody wants to pay 40 quid or more for a game, knowing that the first thing they will have to do is go online to download a 500mb patch. Nobody wants to wait 6 months while the developers decide to fix glaring, game stopping bugs that should have been found in Beta tests (remember Diakatana?). I believe in "try before you buy" and have bought games like Crysis, Farcry and such based on the quality of graphics, gameplay and such. To do this, I have always downloaded a copy first from TPB. I feel they are offering a service to people like me to test software to see if it's worth paying for considering how much cash the developers want me to part with, especially in the case of applications. Some don't do what I want/expect them to do and cut down freebie demos don't show me the whole product to see if I can work around it. I don't want to part with megabucks just to find out that it's not what I wanted. UK laws don't allow me to take the product back based on that so I'm stuck with something that doesn't do what I need and out of pocket as well so I can't buy something else instead. All in all, the software industry themselves are just as responsible for piracy as the people who copy the software. I really hope that TPB will win. Swedish laws do not prevent hosting of torrent files providing the pirated files are not being hosted. TPB does not host any software, just the torrent files to link downloaders to other peers. They also host a tracker which does nothing more than keep up the links between peers and determine data flow, a kind of software router. They have been sued several times in the past and won and make no secret of it. I want them to give this case the finger as well. If they do lose, I can see torrents will soon be hosted in some remote country that does not enforce the piracy laws. Taiwan and China and many other Asian countries are known for that. No matter how much they try, they will never kill this, cut off an arm and it will simply grow another one. Cut off it's head and another will come to replace it. They can only limit it's impact to a small degree but never enough to make much difference. The only way any difference will be made is by software companies reducing costs to the end user to make software more affordable and piracy less appealing. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
EliteSlave Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.19 02:32:00 - [72] Torrents themselves don't need to be blocked. I full heartedly support Legal torrents. But, TPB hosts and does not clean out the Illegal stuff, thus they are promoting Illegal Activities, thus an Accessorie to the Crime. its like an Image hosting site. If they allowed anyone to post anything, then people could post Child P-o=r*n or the likes and if they allowed it they would be treated as the Criminal that posted the pic itself and rightfully so.
Xelios Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.02.19 04:09:00 - [73] Edited by: Xelios on 19/02/2009 04:11:39 Originally by: EliteSlave Torrents themselves don't need to be blocked. I full heartedly support Legal torrents. But, TPB hosts and does not clean out the Illegal stuff, thus they are promoting Illegal Activities, thus an Accessorie to the Crime. its like an Image hosting site. If they allowed anyone to post anything, then people could post Child P-o=rn or the likes and if they allowed it they would be treated as the Criminal that posted the pic itself and rightfully so. What TPB is doing is no different than what Google does. TPB doesn't host any illegal stuff, they host links* to illegal stuff. The tracker is just a huge collection of links. Your bittorrent client asks it "Hey, who else has this file?" and the tracker gives your client a list. It's not the same as an image site because the content is not on TPB's servers. If this makes TPB an accessory to crime, then it also makes Google (and every other search engine) accessory to the same type of crime, because I can easily perform a Google search for something illegal, and Google makes no active effort to filter illegal content from their search results. You can see this yourself by searching intitle:index.of -html -htm -download mp3 metallica, about 17,000 pages allowing you to download pirated Metallica songs. Google isn't responsible for this because they're not hosting the pirated songs, they're only hosting links to them. Just like TPB. If hosting links to illegal content is deemed illegal then a large portion of the internet is going to be in serious trouble. I can't wait to see how Google would respond to that.
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.19 04:14:00 - [74] Originally by: Xelios If hosting links to illegal content is deemed illegal then a large portion of the internet is going to be in serious trouble. I can't wait to see how Google would respond to that. jesus christ the last thing we need is them ****ing off Google and Google's robotroops invading various nations capitals over this. (they exist, trust me)
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2009.02.19 05:45:00 - [75] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/02/2009 05:49:30 --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2009.02.19 06:49:00 - [76] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Xelios If hosting links to illegal content is deemed illegal then a large portion of the internet is going to be in serious trouble. I can't wait to see how Google would respond to that. jesus christ the last thing we need is them ****ing off Google and Google's robotroops invading various nations capitals over this. (they exist, trust me) Confirming that google is in fact a robot producing super power bent on world domination that i led by everyones favorite robot Bender from futurama and the other robots were built by mom. _________________________________________ Soon to be in a new home
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.19 07:45:00 - [77] The Pirate Bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from torrent trackers. TPB begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, the MPAA tries to pull the plug. MPAA fights back. Yes. It launches its lawsuits against the targets in Switzerland. Why attack Switzerland? Aren't they our friends now? Because the MPAA knows the Swiss counter-suit will eliminate its users over here. And after all this time, I finally removed that annoying sentence in my signature.
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.19 16:42:00 - [78] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Xelios If hosting links to illegal content is deemed illegal then a large portion of the internet is going to be in serious trouble. I can't wait to see how Google would respond to that. jesus christ the last thing we need is them ****ing off Google and Google's robotroops invading various nations capitals over this. (they exist, trust me) We are google. Lower your firewall. Your biological and technological distinctivness will be added to our own. Resistance if futile. Obey google.
EliteSlave Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.19 17:54:00 - [79] Originally by: Xelios Edited by: Xelios on 19/02/2009 04:11:39 Originally by: EliteSlave Torrents themselves don't need to be blocked. I full heartedly support Legal torrents. But, TPB hosts and does not clean out the Illegal stuff, thus they are promoting Illegal Activities, thus an Accessorie to the Crime. its like an Image hosting site. If they allowed anyone to post anything, then people could post Child P-o=rn or the likes and if they allowed it they would be treated as the Criminal that posted the pic itself and rightfully so. What TPB is doing is no different than what Google does. TPB doesn't host any illegal stuff, they host links* to illegal stuff. The tracker is just a huge collection of links. Your bittorrent client asks it "Hey, who else has this file?" and the tracker gives your client a list. It's not the same as an image site because the content is not on TPB's servers. If this makes TPB an accessory to crime, then it also makes Google (and every other search engine) accessory to the same type of crime, because I can easily perform a Google search for something illegal, and Google makes no active effort to filter illegal content from their search results. You can see this yourself by searching intitle:index.of -html -htm -download mp3 metallica, about 17,000 pages allowing you to download pirated Metallica songs. Google isn't responsible for this because they're not hosting the pirated songs, they're only hosting links to them. Just like TPB. If hosting links to illegal content is deemed illegal then a large portion of the internet is going to be in serious trouble. I can't wait to see how Google would respond to that. Xelios - Dont get me wrong here, I agree that Google isnt any better then TPB. but the thing is, Google actually employ's a staff that looks into / cleans out a good portion of it. /me looks at my workload for the day lol.
Professor Nutbutter Caldari Void Engineers Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.22 18:38:00 - [80] Tl;dr to alot of these posts .. but something alot of people fail to mention in situations like this is that torrenting is legal so long as you have a legally bought copy of whatever it is you're torrenting which is impossible to prove or disprove by any of these ignorant lawyers and whining record companies.

Northern Fall Minmatar Guild Navy	Posted - 2009.02.22 19:23:00 - [81] Newsgroups are so much better anyways
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.22 19:32:00 - [82] Quote: Does / Did Piratebay Actively delete all records of Illegal Activities on their sites and reported all IP's to all appropriate places? If yes, then Piratebay has nothing to worry about. If not, They facilitated the Illegal act's. Also, people that Download Game files thru Bittorrent, Must be incredibly stupid / risktaking, Yes I want to d/l from joe schmoe that could have made alterations to a game that could potentially ruin my gaming experience and or real life financial. /end sarcasm. If you facilitate a Crime, do the time and quit your complaining. The TPB do not encrypt their torrent files in any way, meaning that people are more than welcome to use their search engine to catch those individuals who are breaking copyright law just as much as anyone could use it to break copyright law. TPB is just a tool, much like a crowbar. You don't try to shut down the people who make crowbars, you try to catch the people using those crowbars to commit crimes. --- Originally by: 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2009.02.22 21:02:00 - [83] While I hate DRM as much as everyone else with a clue, it's beyond any (reasonable) doubt that Pirate Bay intentionally facilities piracy, which makes them an accessory. More traditional search engines (like Google), or most IRC networks, or most file hosting sites do not, and aggressively remove infringing material from their networks once they find out about it.
Fyrewyre	Posted - 2009.02.22 23:15:00 - [84] Edited by: Fyrewyre on 22/02/2009 23:21:42 Might be the drink but just imagine if you will....... If i have previously seen a film, and I recollect and enjoy the film again in my head, am I a pirate? Now transfer this to a PC I rented a movie, then ripped the DVD to my HDD, I am a pirate. I visited a bookstore over the course of a week in my dinner hour and read a book whilst browsing, am I a pirate? I know this book but i lost it, i have paid for the intellectual material on both parts. I downloaded the whole book and read it. I am a pirate. Myself and my band reproduced insert band work in a local bar and got paid. Piracy? My point is "Intellectual property" If a builder creates a wall in my neighbors front garden and it's a good design, I want that wall. An exact copy of that wall. I acquired one, Is this piracy? If someone likes my hairstyle and copies it, does that count? The next person I see with my name is getting taken to court. But I bet I wont win And no comments about trademarks or copyright ------------------------------------------- "Never let anyone stop you having fun" Mad Snoz, leeds
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.23 00:05:00 - [85] Norwegian Minister Wants to Legalize File-Sharing personal preference 1) copyrights only for first 5 years [ happy birthday to you is copyrighted] 2) patents only for first 10 years Somos universales, Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales, Ocultando nuestros miedos, Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos, Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
Angelik'a Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.23 00:05:00 - [86] Originally by: Reiisha Can you sue the mail company for allowing a copied DVD to be mailed around? There was a joke about that somewhere, that in the UK all undelivered mail is property of the Crown, so someone should send a ****ton of drugs in the mail and do the queen for posesstion.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.02.23 00:09:00 - [87] Originally by: Professor Nutbutter Tl;dr to alot of these posts .. but something alot of people fail to mention in situations like this is that torrenting is legal so long as you have a legally bought copy of whatever it is you're torrenting which is impossible to prove or disprove by any of these ignorant lawyers and whining record companies. I don't know the specifics of the law on that so can't comment, but I believe the bigger issue isn't someone that already owns something that is downloading it - it's that he's uploading it to 20 other people who don't own it and never intend to buy it. __________________
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.23 00:21:00 - [88] Originally by: Kappas. but I believe the bigger issue isn't someone that already owns something that is downloading it - it's that he's uploading it to 20 other people who don't own it and never intend to buy it. you see there are only 1 and 0 and none can own them Somos universales, Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales, Ocultando nuestros miedos, Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos, Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.23 03:28:00 - [89] Originally by: Kappas. I don't know the specifics of the law on that so can't comment, but I believe the bigger issue isn't someone that already owns something that is downloading it - it's that he's uploading it to 20 other people who don't own it and never intend to buy it. Each person is responsible for their own actions. Libraries lend out books, audio tapes, CD's and the like but that doesn't make them pirates just because they facilitate copying. Therefore, if you upload a copy of something you have bought, you shouldn't be named as a criminal. The person downloading it is the one breaking the law if they do not own a legal copy themselves already. I often dl copies of games I have previously bought so that my originals are kept in good condition. In addition, try before you buy is actually a legal case in many countries. Demo's of games ALWAYS run perfectly but often the full game has had 110^99 changes to the engine since the demo was released. Farcry was a good example, the demo ran perfectly but the full game had to be patched for some Nvidia chipsets or you just got a light blue screen. I have downloaded 20 games in the past month, 5 of which I have bought and the rest I dumped because they were crap. If I did not have the ability to try them out on my own PC, I may probably have bought 1 or 2 that I'd seen on my friends PC's since. In my case, the industry has actually made money from it and without the likes of TPB, they would not have. With money being as tight as it is now and the extortionate cost of games, you can't afford to gamble now and end up paying for another Daikatana. -- Originally by:* CCP Whisper No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.02.23 07:33:00 - [90] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Kappas. I don't know the specifics of the law on that so can't comment, but I believe the bigger issue isn't someone that already owns something that is downloading it - it's that he's uploading it to 20 other people who don't own it and never intend to buy it. Each person is responsible for their own actions. Libraries lend out books, audio tapes, CD's and the like but that doesn't make them pirates just because they facilitate copying. Therefore, if you upload a copy of something you have bought, you shouldn't be named as a criminal. The person downloading it is the one breaking the law if they do not own a legal copy themselves already. I often dl copies of games I have previously bought so that my originals are kept in good condition. In addition, try before you buy is actually a legal case in many countries. Demo's of games ALWAYS run perfectly but often the full game has had 1*10^99 changes to the engine since the demo was released. Farcry was a good example, the demo ran perfectly but the full game had to be patched for some Nvidia chipsets or you just got a light blue screen. I have downloaded 20 games in the past month, 5 of which I have bought and the rest I dumped because they were crap. If I did not have the ability to try them out on my own PC, I may probably have bought 1 or 2 that I'd seen on my friends PC's since. In my case, the industry has actually made money from it and without the likes of TPB, they would not have. With money being as tight as it is now and the extortionate cost of games, you can't afford to gamble now and end up paying for another Daikatana. Every TV series I acquire after broadcast on the net, I usually end up buying anyway. If I wasn't able to download the series to begin with I would never have gotten into it, and would never have bought the DVDs.

ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.23 23:09:00 - [91] OP is lazy and dont update this :P Understanding Finreactor Somos universales, Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales, Ocultando nuestros miedos, Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos, Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
NeoShocker Caldari Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.02.24 02:30:00 - [92] Edited by: NeoShocker on 24/02/2009 02:33:44 i r not lazy :< Don't think its really that relevant to the topic at hand. ----------------------------------- Peace through power!


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